If you brought a gun to a magic fight. How would that go?

If you brought a gun to a magic fight.
How would that go?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the magic. And the gun. And the You.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Ranges from the hapless mage discovering he's shittier at this than he thought in the remaining seconds of his life to you getting "randomly" run over by a truck on the way to the duel.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be very painful.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bump

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >4 (you)
        Underrated

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If its HP lovecraft either okay or Im too insane to use the gun anyways

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This
      >against half-fish incest villagers
      Very effective
      >against a thing like a great shadow against the darkness, its form too great and terrible to behold, which had slept great aeons til the machinations of the heavens drove it from its dreaming
      omae wa mo shindeiru

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It may sound harsh but I belive very strongly that everyone invovled in this nipshit should be rounded up and shot.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love the idea of modern MIC vibe checking fantasy worlds, but I agree, the Gate was not the way to do it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To me it's biggest issue is the author being some sort of ultra-nationalist and letting that taint it. It handled a lot of stuff pretty well but it's also VERY obviousl a NIPPON STRONK power wankm, even when they toned it down for the anime. Wonder if it helped JSDF recruitment numbers though considering that's often a reason for military manga/anime. Have to fire up the NEETs about military service somehow.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's also VERY obviousl a NIPPON STRONK power wank
            And what's wrong with that, exactly? I mean it's obviously silly bullshit, but we're talking about a fantasy show with a e-girl death goddess, elves, wizards, dragons, a princess named after an alcoholic beverage...it's not like its meant to be taken seriously.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because it's not just about Japan kicking everyone's ass in the fantasy isekai world, it's also about them btfoing everyone (russia, US, china) in the real world too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not just that, but japs never made a single mistake that backfired, either. Even the extremely autistic plans that didn't take any soft factors into consideration worked

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a silly fantasy show, when silly fantasy characters with supernatural powers helped the japs fight off the Russians, US, etc. And even then they hardly BTFO off anyone, they resisted a few half-hearted attempts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the politics is a total wank off and I physically cringe at times but the scene of 155 mms and mgs ripping apart maniple formations is *chef's kiss*. That's good enough for me.

                The author went out of his way to shit on other nations in it, including the US which would have undoubtedly responded to the initial gate event to help Japan. It takes me right out of it when you make the US, Japan's ally, a moustache twirling incompetent villain and focus of heavy mockery. One of the most obnoxious scenes is the damn hot spring scene where mercs and SOF from three countries get absolutely fricking wrecked at the same time, mostly before the literal death god in training jumps in.

                A guy wrote a fanfic version where JSDF and US forces were working together and as far as I got it was actually pretty solid. Itami was still a big damn hero but this story followed an Abrams crew that did their own heroic stuff. If I had the link handy I'd post it.

                >A guy wrote a fanfic version...
                https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13803057/1/Here-We-Go-Again

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the one, thank you!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't forget they denied Japan's war crimes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What? They didn't BTFO Russia, US or China in the manga. The three nations above sent some poorly supported second tier spec ops dudes straight into an ambush.

                They could have attempted the same in fricking Sweden and the result would have been the exact same. Which is why they put political pressure on the Japanese government to have them withdraw the troops (only for them to get fricked over by Best Girl instead). I can't remember the exact page but it's clearly mentioned in the manga that Japan isn't even the strongest military, which is obviously true.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The author went out of his way to shit on other nations in it, including the US which would have undoubtedly responded to the initial gate event to help Japan. It takes me right out of it when you make the US, Japan's ally, a moustache twirling incompetent villain and focus of heavy mockery. One of the most obnoxious scenes is the damn hot spring scene where mercs and SOF from three countries get absolutely fricking wrecked at the same time, mostly before the literal death god in training jumps in.

              A guy wrote a fanfic version where JSDF and US forces were working together and as far as I got it was actually pretty solid. Itami was still a big damn hero but this story followed an Abrams crew that did their own heroic stuff. If I had the link handy I'd post it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's also VERY obviousl a NIPPON STRONK power wank
            And what's wrong with that, exactly? I mean it's obviously silly bullshit, but we're talking about a fantasy show with a e-girl death goddess, elves, wizards, dragons, a princess named after an alcoholic beverage...it's not like its meant to be taken seriously.

            Every time gate comes up im absolutely amazed by the amount of booty blasting one scene that was completely reasonable given the context results in. The US and russia sent in spook teams armed with airsoft grade equipment outside of their small arms and expected the nips to just let it happen because diplomatic pressure and backroom dealing. Instead they walked into a forest against japanese SF willing to fight them over it with ISR over watch including thermals and pre positioned teams with NV and suppressors in the dead of night. Yea, they get mercd, just like how thatd play out IRL. There are decent reasons to hate on GATE but its mostly the cringey bits and particularly the japan so moral parts, not them BTFOing US and russian spooks in a completely justified manner. That isnt japan stronk wanking, its you all getting upset at a lack of merica stronk wanking.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The problem with the scene that people have is the narration. Something along the lines of "JSDF is who you send when you want the best, handsomest, largest dicked chads there ever were, Americans are who you send when you've got no one else because they are ugly and dumb, and also they smell bad." As has been said, the author is a rabid japanese ultra nationalist, and it shows in his writing.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              See

              The author went out of his way to shit on other nations in it, including the US which would have undoubtedly responded to the initial gate event to help Japan. It takes me right out of it when you make the US, Japan's ally, a moustache twirling incompetent villain and focus of heavy mockery. One of the most obnoxious scenes is the damn hot spring scene where mercs and SOF from three countries get absolutely fricking wrecked at the same time, mostly before the literal death god in training jumps in.

              A guy wrote a fanfic version where JSDF and US forces were working together and as far as I got it was actually pretty solid. Itami was still a big damn hero but this story followed an Abrams crew that did their own heroic stuff. If I had the link handy I'd post it.

              As far as actual action an operation important enough that two other nations also sent SOF to do the same thing goes the JSDF guys would have some spook at Langley watching them pointing out all their positions via satellite. The Chinks and snow Nigerians would've been spotted too. It wouldn't have been mercs that were FORMER FORCE RECON OOOOH AAAH WOW SUCH SOF. It'd be outright CIA death squads meant to roll in, capture the HVTs and kill literally anyone else that could have even possibly seen them.

              The single most realistic situation though is the US's team is actually just diplomats, they're let into the resort through the front door because (much to the author's disdain) we have good relations with Japan, and the diplomats have a lovely chat with the otherworlders over tea. They are either sleeping in their rooms or gone by the time the fighting happens. The next day the chink and snow nigerian SOF get revealed and the US joins in denouncing them.

              https://i.imgur.com/hYu9eUj.png

              >implying there is literally anything wrong with ultra-nationalism
              get fricked
              [...]
              [...]
              Two things are seriously hilarious:
              >they had a black guy! They must be American!
              When America is the only country on earth that could outfit an entire SOF unit entirely full of Japanese speaking Japanese people to do spook shit in Japan.
              >Man, we have to make sure we don't do warcrimes in the other world, like happened in WW2...In Germany!
              completely glossing over Japanese WW2 history. Shit was hilarious.

              When you're so ultra-nationalist you regularly depict your allies as not just incompetent buffoons but outright enemies because of it then maybe you need to cool your jets a smidge.

              explain for me the difference between a patriot, a nationalist, and an ultranationalist, please

              >Patriot
              I love my home country and will fight for it if I need to.
              >Nationalist
              America First.
              >Ultra-nationalist
              America only.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >implying there is literally anything wrong with ultra-nationalism
            get fricked

            [...]
            Every time gate comes up im absolutely amazed by the amount of booty blasting one scene that was completely reasonable given the context results in. The US and russia sent in spook teams armed with airsoft grade equipment outside of their small arms and expected the nips to just let it happen because diplomatic pressure and backroom dealing. Instead they walked into a forest against japanese SF willing to fight them over it with ISR over watch including thermals and pre positioned teams with NV and suppressors in the dead of night. Yea, they get mercd, just like how thatd play out IRL. There are decent reasons to hate on GATE but its mostly the cringey bits and particularly the japan so moral parts, not them BTFOing US and russian spooks in a completely justified manner. That isnt japan stronk wanking, its you all getting upset at a lack of merica stronk wanking.

            The problem with the scene that people have is the narration. Something along the lines of "JSDF is who you send when you want the best, handsomest, largest dicked chads there ever were, Americans are who you send when you've got no one else because they are ugly and dumb, and also they smell bad." As has been said, the author is a rabid japanese ultra nationalist, and it shows in his writing.

            Two things are seriously hilarious:
            >they had a black guy! They must be American!
            When America is the only country on earth that could outfit an entire SOF unit entirely full of Japanese speaking Japanese people to do spook shit in Japan.
            >Man, we have to make sure we don't do warcrimes in the other world, like happened in WW2...In Germany!
            completely glossing over Japanese WW2 history. Shit was hilarious.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you are an ultranationalist, ultranationalists from any other country are wrong. You have your head so far up your ass that mathematicians use a video of you to demonstrate the rotation of a clifford torus in 4th dimensional space

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you are an ultranationalist, ultranationalists from any other country are wrong.
                What an ignorant statement. It's like saying white and black racists hate each other. Not really. They hate the centrists who force everyone into the same space.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That kind of idealistic fantasy of everyone living in harmony in their own separate space is bait to trick morons into agreeing. Yeah, it'd be awesome if everyone just left each other alone and all agreed to do the same thing. That applies to literally every single pseud ideology. It's just a motte and bailey argument to mask what they actually want which is a race war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We're masking that? I thought it was really obvious.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a straw man.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In a world without active anti white, mass immigration homosexuals, races would be exponentially more segregated along national boundaries. Yes, obviously, there would be human conflicts, even racial ones, but only pseuds like you throw out "it wouldn't end all killing forever" as if that's a coherent criticism. There would be exponentially less conflict, and exponentially more wealth and happiness.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the exact same energy as the "communism works in theory" tankies

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's a bomb with two buttons, one to deactivate it, and one to detonate it. This is an objective fact, and has been observed thousands of times up until now. The buttons are clearly marked, and they've never been mislabeled. Two men are arguing over which button does which. You come in as the enlightened centrist and insist they both must blow it up, because both men are equally passionate.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                explain for me the difference between a patriot, a nationalist, and an ultranationalist, please

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Patriot = nationalist you like, nationalist = nationalist you're neutral to, ultranationalist = nationalist you dislike. Back to leftypol.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >patriotism and nationalism are the same thing

                European detected.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Tek beet Magik
          Autistic trash, always.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Magic missile your way out of a Paveway's blast radius, nerd.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Have fun fighting ghosts with guns and bombs, tech autist wienersleeve

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >EW's your ghosts away
                Nice try, weirdo with a pointy hat

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If magic allows you to mind control people, then the tech army cannot win.
              Mind control is just that broken.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So many classic magic powers have to be put off the table or else the tech autists scream "no fair".
                Ghosts, Curses, Remote casting, Mind control, etc etc etc. If they have these powers the wizards have to be braindead morons and never use them effectively to "make it fair" or else the techgays piss and shit everywhere.

                This isn't new stuff. The Wicked Witch of the West could cast through her crystal ball and do shit like put anyone in a square mile into a magical coma they would never wake up from and she's a fricking goofball cartoon for children.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                technologic like electricity destabilizes spells

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tech side gets to say the laws of magic OR ELSE IT ISN'T FAIR!!!!!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I always win because magic is magic
                Of course magic doesn’t abide by the laws of physics because it’s magic. But your the kid on the playground going
                >nu uh I have an invincibility forcefield
                >nu uh I have an anti invincibility laser
                Maybe your mage has omnipotence and can mind control the whole world with a snap of his fingers while always having an impenetrable barrier around him. Ok. But that’s boring as frick

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                This takes the cake of the most moronic arguments I've ever seen on PrepHole. Most of the time it depends on how it's written and Ghost homosexual is going off the most boring version of 'Nuh Uh, Magic Wins because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it just does okay? Ghosts show up on Radar and IR as people and they can also swat Stealth aircraft out off the sky, even if the mage doesn't have any way to actually see it.'

                I think it only gets beaten by the time by 5e gay friend tried to explain to my gacha autist buddy how 'It doesn't matter how strong your boat women are, a DnD mage can just make them moronic with curses or use wish'

                What I find incredibly funny is that they ignore how, if RAW'ed the gacha bullshit bot woman would need Wish to be killed effectively and they'd outrange anything the wizard could throw at them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >'Nuh Uh, Magic Wins because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it just does okay?
                >Give me a REAL answer to 2+2, and not any gay shit like 4, a REAL answer
                lol what a gay you are.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I am a gay.
                The thing is that Magic vs Technology is completely setting dependant. Your generic mind control guy can be glassed from orbit just as well as someone can be mind controlled to blow their brains up with a shotgun.

                The thing is that most stories with the wizard in a tower that can mind control anyone in the planet are, usually, children's tales with a single bad guy that is, usually, the big bad evil. To me, saying that a nearly omniscient mage with extremely powerful mind control could win against a modern military is the same as saying that the wizarding world could be destroyed by a covenant doom fleet.

                The big thing is that you need to set up the capabilities of both sides and how the interact, this is usually were who wins is defined because you can't give one a major advantage over the other.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The thing is that Magic vs Technology is completely setting dependant.
                I said that at least twice. Please read my posts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That entirely depends on how capable the mind control is. Is it basically strong suggestion? Is it total control? Can it work only work on one person or is your universe dumb as shit allowing control over basically everyone? What's the casting range? What are you going to do about that anon's pilot dropping that paveway on you from 35k-50k feet? How do you even know he's coming? How do you know there's a bomb falling towards you that won't hit for a painfully long time simply due to drop height?

                So many classic magic powers have to be put off the table or else the tech autists scream "no fair".
                Ghosts, Curses, Remote casting, Mind control, etc etc etc. If they have these powers the wizards have to be braindead morons and never use them effectively to "make it fair" or else the techgays piss and shit everywhere.

                This isn't new stuff. The Wicked Witch of the West could cast through her crystal ball and do shit like put anyone in a square mile into a magical coma they would never wake up from and she's a fricking goofball cartoon for children.

                Why are you samegayging? You do this literally every "magic vs guns" thread and it's obvious. It's not about "no fair", it's that such ridiculous magical power as you always have to jump to in your efforts to say "Nuh uh, magic always wins" would completely ruin the world it exists in. The magical arms race would be so insane it would've led to an apocalypse that makes nuclear war seem pleasant. At absolute best you'd have a magical world war followed by magical mad max where >95% of magic and technology of that world is basically lostech. It's shit worldbuilding unless that's specifically the setting you're after.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not about "no fair", it's that such ridiculous magical power as you always have to jump to in your efforts to say "Nuh uh, magic always wins" would completely ruin the world it exists in. The magical arms race would be so insane it would've led to an apocalypse that makes nuclear war seem pleasant. At absolute best you'd have a magical world war followed by magical mad max where >95% of magic and technology of that world is basically lostech. It's shit worldbuilding unless that's specifically the setting you're after.
                See the techgay actually screeching and pissing and shitting that magic that has existed in fiction and world mythology for all of history cant be used because we're actually making it up right this second and it's NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR

                Choke on ghost wiener, homosexual.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mmmmmmmmmmmmmmuh ghosts
                eat microwaves Black person

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >LITERALLY no argument
                Sorry you cant beat ghosts you dumb homosexual

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >bwoooo-ACK!
                it's even got a gold plated canopy for protection against RF AND hexes, you can't win

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Team tech literally needs to have magic to compete with basic mythological shit

                THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

                Lol as if prayer would ever help the homosexual atheist faction.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >imblyign gold infused glass is magic
                do magicgays really

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >vacuum deposition is magic to morons
                Read a book dumbfrick.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Magical protection against spells isnt magic now I guess lol.

                https://i.imgur.com/BvwvR1H.jpg

                >bwoooo-ACK!
                it's even got a gold plated canopy for protection against RF AND hexes, you can't win

                >protection against hexes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't even need weapons you pussy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good luck mind controlling a targeting pod tracking your shriveled ass

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You'd love it if it was Americans instead of Japanese.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This but unironically
            Stargate is leagues ahead the copycat manga and based

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, if only the rest of that pile of shit was on that level.
      I love that page.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, considering HP Lovecraft himself considered rifles "A balm for the soul." Pretty sure he believed that a good rifle will still put down any immediate threat with a beating heart.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I cast contingency pre-combat targeting the spell otiluke's resilient sphere cast on myself with the trigger of 'when initiative is rolled'
    When combat is initiated, regardless of who wins initiative, I will be immune to damage until I stop concentrating on the sphere, or until10 rounds have passed. From this position, I have a number of options, but in this case I cast wish, replicating the effect of symbol, choosing symbol of pain, making myself exempt from the spell as part of its casting, on a container in my inventory. Using a free object interaction I open the container, causing each creature in a 60' radius to become incapacitated from agonizing pain for a minute. This effect triggers every turn for the next 10 minutes meaning it's likely that anyone inside will be incapacitated for 11 minutes. I use the next 10 minutes carving a wooden spoon which I finally use in the last minute to pry gunman's eyes out of his sockets to collect reagents for spells.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate 3.5 so much it's unreal.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I did this with 5e rules. It would be easier using 3.5 as I'm sure you are aware

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Somehow I never realized that motherfricker Contingency wormed its way into 5e. Just more proof that the devs will never stop sucking off Wizard. Frick me I wish Sorc and Warlock were good

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Contingency is greatly limited in its use in 5e. Anyway the class balance is just as bad as it ever was, it just takes a little longer to manifest compared to 3.5. By 9th level there's nothing a wizard can't do, they become the prime mover in every campaign they're in. Now, wizards were OP out of the box, but a big problem is that every new splatbook has a bunch of new wizard spells (by far the most new spells are wizard spells) and some percentage of those spells are above the power curve so wizards just keep steadily getting incrementally stronger. Meanwhile, it's not like battlemasters keep getting new maneuvers or rogues keep getting more skills to get expertise in.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Enjoy your Critical role.

        I did this with 5e rules. It would be easier using 3.5 as I'm sure you are aware

        You should no that no one who criticizes 3.5 actually plays it, or knows the first thing about it's mechanics.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nice try but I'm a 4echad
          >verification not required

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nice try but I'm a 4echad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How so? This is a GM problem not a rules problem.
        For starters, the trigger conditions are invalid as "initiative" is player knowledge, not character knowledge.
        The gun user could also shoot the magic user from surprise, meaning initiative would never be rolled at all--the opposite of this is also true, a gun doesn't mean shit if some mage rains a lighting bolt down on your skull without you having any idea where it came from.

        Contingency is greatly limited in its use in 5e. Anyway the class balance is just as bad as it ever was, it just takes a little longer to manifest compared to 3.5. By 9th level there's nothing a wizard can't do, they become the prime mover in every campaign they're in. Now, wizards were OP out of the box, but a big problem is that every new splatbook has a bunch of new wizard spells (by far the most new spells are wizard spells) and some percentage of those spells are above the power curve so wizards just keep steadily getting incrementally stronger. Meanwhile, it's not like battlemasters keep getting new maneuvers or rogues keep getting more skills to get expertise in.

        Wizards become OP when GMs frick up and don't enforce the small details. For starters, just where exactly are they getting the physical components for all those spells? Where are they carrying them? A wizard is very powerful in short encounters, but what about long ones when spell components wear down, when they run out of spells for the day, charges for wands and staves, etc. Warrior classes can keep on fighting, but Magic users are much more dependent on harder to replenish resources. Thus the GM can easily slant things one way or another. Want to make the Wizards more powerful? Short encounters, play loose and fast with spell requirements. Want to make it harder for the Wizard? Long encounters, wear down their spell charges, make it hard to obtain components.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know of course that a component pouch circumvents the need to track individual components as per RAW and you are just having yourself a jape with me
          An arcane focus does this as well, but I don't like them because a wizard can be disarmed and have their focus taken from them

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have no idea what "RAW" is, but I'd never allow that rule in my game. Components are one of the things that balance the power of magic. Handwaving away components gives a massive power boost to wizards, it's an absolutely moronic move.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              RAW stands for Rules As Written. It's jargon for "things explicitly laid out in the book, no personal interpretation required"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                RAW = rules as written. It is the only thing we can discuss about 5e in a public space. If you are changing or ignoring rules, you aren't playing 5e anymore. More power to you, but I don't discuss homebrew with others as your experience with the game does not translate into the experience anyone else has with it.

                Thanks. To be fair I have zero experience with 5e.
                So if I'm understanding correctly, in 5e the rules specifically say that if a wizard has a component pouch they can ignore the process of having to purchase components, and they just magically acquire them? Even though some spell components are clearly expensive things?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It specifies any material component without a gp cost. So you still have to spend diamonds for Revivify and pearls for Identify, but you no longer have to scrape bat shit off the floor to keep casting Fireball.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                From the rulebook
                >A component pouch is a small, watertight leather belt pouch that has compartments to hold all the material Components and other Special items you need to cast your Spells, except for those Components that have a specific cost (as indicated in a spell's description).
                Most spells with material components do not have an associated cost. Those can be assumed to be in the pouch in infinite quantity. Anything with a material component with acost attached does have to be tracked, but there's only a small handful of things like that.
                For my last wizard, most of the things you have to get are bits and bobs that aren't expended when you cast the spell. A diamond worth 50 gp, a pearl worth 100gp. By the time you get to tier 3 play where you might be burning more expensive components, you should have both the money on hand and storage / transport methods figured out.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If there's any confusion as to whether the component pouch comes pre-loaded with components, here's the relevant text from casting a spell
                >Casting some spells requires particular objects, specified in parentheses in the component entry. A character can use a component pouch or a spellcasting focus (found in “Equipment”) in place of the components specified for a spell. But if a cost is indicated for a component, a character must have that specific component before he or she can cast the spell.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you should have both the money on hand and storage / transport methods figured out.

                A player can never have that figured out, if the GM is doing their job, because the market is always subject to the GM's whims. Just because I have a huge purse overflowing with gold doesn't mean there are any 100gp pearls in town to sell me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ...or for that matter, it sure would suck if my component pouch got stolen, damaged by the enemy, spilled all over the floor at a critical moment.
                This is all about the GM thinking outside the box.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have three of those on me, and an additional spellbook and two component pouches buried and magically warded via glyph and arcane lock outside of the dungeon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Like a "monty haul" campaign, this happens when the GM has already fricked up.

                [...]
                As always, the solution to player misbehavior is to have a calm conversation about the problem and the direction of the game like mature adults, not to engage in rules centric in game pissing matches, but that's a bar much to high for the average nerd. I have never had a problem at a table as a DM that couldn't be solved by just talking to the person like a normal human being.

                I'm not talking about outright misbehavior, I'm just talking about when you can see that Person A is hogging all the action from person B, for example. You can correct that before it even gets to the point of having to talk to a player. Now I totally agree that getting into some sort of silly pissing match where it's the GM trying to invent rules to fight the player(s) ruins the fun for everyone, I'm not advocating that at all. I'm advocating keeping an unseen hand on the rudder.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're talking about resource scarcity affecting wizards disproportionately and therefore the correct way to reign in a wizard is to squeeze the party and restrict the flow of money.

                You are wrong. There are about 200 wizard spells in the phb alone. This is a guess, but around 10% of them require material components with a cost, so you're restricting the use of a small handful of spells. Meanwhile, most of those spells are actually important utility spells for the entire party, not just toys for the wizard to play with. Identify, teleportation circle, plane shift. And if you are crunching your players enough that they can't afford a pearl to cast identify, what is the state of your martials? When are they going to be able to spring 1000 gold for plate armor?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >squeeze the party and restrict the flow of money.
                Not quite. You don't have to restrict the flow of money specifically, or resources in general. You just have to restrict the flow of those which you observe to cause a balance problem. It's entirely possible for the players to walk into a new town where there are plenty of people willing to sell armor and weapons--wands and potions too--but sorry, no big pearls for sale right now. You think the martial characters might be falling behind? Even if there's no money involved you can make sure they get what they need as loot. I think too many people think of "shopping" in D&D like a video game, where every town has an infinite supply of everything for sale for the exact same price, but that makes no real-world sense. Some items, especially rare ones like a big pearl from nowhere near the ocean would be out of stock and/or dreadfully overpriced a lot of the time.

                I remember playing in a game years ago where we players had just cleared a dungeon and were going through the goods we found. We found five magical items, but we only had the ability to identify three of them because I only had one pearl for identify and we found two others with the loot. This created an interesting decision: with 5 items and only 3 identifies for the foreseeable future, which items do we try and magically identify and which do we worry about later or perhaps try and research the long way?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The component cost of identify is a pearl that costs 100 gold. If I paid 100 gold for a pearl, that pearl is worth 100 gold regardless of its size or quality.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Any reasonable DM will then explain that component and raw material prices are meant as an out of universe guide based on the average prices listed, and if you persist, any reasonable DM will beat you into a coma with an endtable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >any dm will just make up the rules as he goes
                Yeah, some of them do that. But not me and not any DM I've played with for longer than a session.
                Have you ever played any modules? In most of them players are absolutely inundated with crap. There's also the suggested wealth in the DMG for homebrew campaigns. The way the designers of the game wanted people to play is to be flooded with riches but have nothing to spend them on because you can't actually buy magic items RAW. So in a standard module or a game ran via DMG guidelines wizards will have tons of money to prepare contingencies since that's all they can do with their money. If you don't view wizards as a problematic class, that's fine, that just means you're using some homebrew or you're playing with unimaginative players. There's nothing wrong with that, but that's a different subject than the one we're talking about.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah, some of them do that.
                That's not what I said you disingenuous homosexual.

                What you suggested is like saying a Magic item that requires 1000 gold worth of silver to make can be made with three silver coins as long as I traded them with a friend for 1000 gold. It's beyond moronic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If I go to a shop and buy a pearl that the shopkeeper says is worth 100 gold, that pearl is worth 100 gold. I don't care what size it is, whether it glitters in the sun, or whether it was made out of dog shit. And neither does the spell description.
                It's fricking magic, I ain't gotta explain shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah the rules say I need 1 silver coin worth of food per day, but me and frodo traded our 1 silver worth of food back and forth for ten gold, so now we have ten gold worth of food

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A ration feeds you for a day and it doesn't matter how you acquired it. Spell components are not rations.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah cus duh rools say 1 silver worth of food, and since my friend bought my rations for 10 gold, we just multiplied our food by 100.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The rules say no such thing for food, which precludes your entire argument. There's a reason why this works for spell components and not for food or other adventuring gear. A crowbar has its utility baked in - it doesn't matter how you got the crowbar, it does what it does regardless. Spell components with a cost only work when they cost that much. A giant, flawless pearl the size of a fist has no function unless it is worth at least 100 gold, at which time it functions as a spell component.

                wish has a casting time longer than 1 turn, my dude. It also requires like 5000 gold in casting components.

                Neither of those things are true. As stated I was referring to 5e wish which has a casting time of 1 action and no material component at all. The only component of wish is the verbal component, aka the phrasing of the wish. And if you actually would read the spell you would see that this is the kind of wish that has no possible negative consequences (replicating a spell of 8th level or lower).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The rules say no such thing for food, which precludes your entire argument.
                It's a fricking logical comparison you moron.

                You're saying that if the rules said "You need 1 Silver worth of rations to survive a day" you WOULD think trading your rations with a buddy would fricking work like that?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, that is what I believe, and I believe the wording difference is intentional so as to give players and the DM flexibility in how they acquire spell components and what they look like.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>any dm will just make up the rules as he goes
                Make up what rules, exactly? Unless things have changed with 5.0 I remember various books even going back as far as 2nd ed clearly explaining the concept that prices are average and that they would vary just like they do in real life.

                > since that's all they can do with their money
                What? Are you suggesting that wizards can't buy property, incur costs for making magical items, purchase equipment, hirelings, and so forth?

                >because you can't actually buy magic items RAW
                How so? Does 5.0 really say there's no such thing as an antique market where someone might stumble across a piece of magical armor, weapon, accessory? Again, I'm unfamilar with 5.0 rules but in earlier versions every game I've played in has treated magical items as purchasable, but highly expensive and entirely subject to the whims of the market (read: what the GM decided they were willing to make available, and for what price) There are a lot of older D&D sourcebooks which give costs for all sorts of magical items.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, because that would give rise to an obvious exploit where your party members would buy garbage quality pearls for next to nothing, then resell them to you for 100GP each, while keeping the money in the party.

                The 100GP figure means that the pearl must be of good enough quality that it would cost $100 on the average market. But it doesn't mean they cost exactly that everywhere. They might be cheaper from a fishing village with a glut of them but no wizards to buy them. Far away from the ocean they'd be very costly, same as any other resource that's only found in certain areas.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The 100GP figure means that the pearl must be of good enough quality that it would cost $100 on the average market.
                Page number?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >applying lolbertarian logic to a universe where good/evil/law/chaos are all objectively measurable parts of existence
                And that's not even getting into what a non-issue this is at a table. If the Wizard who knows Identify tells you he's trying to buy a pearl, what else would he want it for? If the GM doesn't want him casting identify, he'll let him buy it, and if he doesn't he won't. No need to play economist with the issue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A far more sensible solution is to ban identify. If you let players choose a spell for a spell selection and then restrict the use of the spell via lack of components you are being a colossal homosexual and a moron to boot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hey can a buy a pearl for identify?
                >no
                >wtf then why didn't you tell me not take it?
                >there's some magic items coming up and it would spoil the fun if you knew exactly what they were right away
                nothing homosexualy about this tbh

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A far more sensible solution is to ban identify. If you let players choose a spell for a spell selection and then restrict the use of the spell via lack of components you are being a colossal homosexual and a moron to boot

                >hey can a buy a pearl for identify?
                >no
                >wtf then why didn't you tell me not take it?
                >there's some magic items coming up and it would spoil the fun if you knew exactly what they were right away
                nothing homosexualy about this tbh

                Any decent DM would have the in universe economy reflect the demand for pearls of specific size and quality so the players would never be shocked or confused at their lack of presence in one area, or availability in another.

                Ad hoc arbitrary restrictions on in universe resources are as gay and soulless as Anime Vending Machine fantasy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where would there ever be an in universe economy that sets a global price for what a pearl should be worth? Most settings are just not-medieval europe where there would be all sorts of wonky supply and demand issues. If I go to a coastal town where pearls are used as pennies, would the pearl I bought in a large metropolis far away from the coast stop working? As far as I'm concerned the only important thing is that you paid a guy in the world somewhere 100 gold for it and that means the pearl works as intended. Any other interpretation is madness.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This, really.
                The only explantion that makes sense is this: The wizard, for mumbo-jumbo reasons known to him, requires a pearl of a minimum certain size/quality to focus the magic energy or whatever to cast the spell. It's the same as a swordsmith saying he needs a piece of iron of a certain size/quality to make a given blade: the craftsman knows they need raw materials of a certain grade. Better is better, not good enough doesn't work. And the prices the book gives are averages for the open market.

                What is never assured is whether or not those things are even available for purchase, or what their specific price may be. That said, the GM can't really be a dick about it. If the Wizard knows Identify and the GM never lets them buy or find pearls then they're just fricking the player over. So there's basically an unwritten contract that those materials should cost about what they do--that's why there's a figure in the book after all. But the idea that they would always the same, or always available, is entirely unrealistic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Costs in the book are averages you fricking moron. If you sell your friend a ten penny pearl for 100 gold it doesn't work for the spell.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >realistic economic assumptions and procedures
                >groups of 3-6 yahoos who regularly pull 10 years wages out of moldy caves five days hike from town
                Pick one and only one, and for your sake I hope it's the one explicitly in the rulebooks.

                >>any dm will just make up the rules as he goes
                Make up what rules, exactly? Unless things have changed with 5.0 I remember various books even going back as far as 2nd ed clearly explaining the concept that prices are average and that they would vary just like they do in real life.

                > since that's all they can do with their money
                What? Are you suggesting that wizards can't buy property, incur costs for making magical items, purchase equipment, hirelings, and so forth?

                >because you can't actually buy magic items RAW
                How so? Does 5.0 really say there's no such thing as an antique market where someone might stumble across a piece of magical armor, weapon, accessory? Again, I'm unfamilar with 5.0 rules but in earlier versions every game I've played in has treated magical items as purchasable, but highly expensive and entirely subject to the whims of the market (read: what the GM decided they were willing to make available, and for what price) There are a lot of older D&D sourcebooks which give costs for all sorts of magical items.

                5e rulebooks state that magic items are practically optional rules. The whole system works on the assumption that characters of X level have only their mundane gear and the abilities from being X level. Any +1 shit, potions, scrolls, etc. are purely gravy thrown in by the GM. If a player wants a magic item, book says the GM is entirely in their power to refuse with no recourse. It would be a stupid and dickish thing to do, but it is explicitly an option.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If a player wants a magic item, book says the GM is entirely in their power to refuse with no recourse. It would be a stupid and dickish thing to do, but it is explicitly an option.
                Yeah, I totally get that. My understanding with previous editions could be summarized as:
                -Magic items exist, they are rare or unheard of when the character is at lower levels but as they progress in level more and more are found as loot, but there's never any guarantee you would get any specific magic item you might want, unless we're talking about the rules for characters making their own magic items. Availability is sort of like the antique market IRL: lesser things aren't too hard to find, just expensive. Really high end things do come up for sale from time to time but require you to know the right people and the prices would be extravagant. For example, a sword +1? You could buy that at a renown blacksmith shop in a big city, it's just expensive and it's going to take him a while to make it for you because he's got to go get the special iron he needs first. Sword +5? People would laugh at you if you tried to but that, but maybe if you were on good terms with the old farts in the blacksmith's guild they'd let you know about their yearly high end auction, where a handful of similar items might up up for sale where one could bid....

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Checked, heiled. Rulebooks lay out a similar situation to what you described. Certainly, you can snoop and hunt and scrounge to get a lead on a magic item somewhere, and pay whatever price the seller demands for it, but the book's recommendation is that anyone trying to get a magic item with money run through an adventure first. No matter how big the capital metropolis is, WotC didn't want you simply walking up to a stall and dropping cash for a +1 longsword or wand of magic missile, and if you want to keep with the sTriCt mAthEmAtIcaL bAlaNcE of the eXpERt gAmE dEsiGnERs, you do not allow any +1 gear at all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's fine but it's not really fun for players, particularly martials when their primary means of progression after level 5 is to get weapons and armor with enhancements

                I use a system where I award treasure points at the end of a session and they can use them to buy magic items. A basic b***h +1 dagger costs 8 treasure points and players get treasure points at an average of 2 per session so in 4 sessions they can buy their +1 dagger. But the +1 dagger is an uncommon item and is therefore only obtainable at level 5. It's produced more powerful characters on average compared to other games I've ran but that hardly matters because balance is wack anyway. I just add 1-2 CR for their encounters to offset it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m ok with gatekeeping of that sort, but what pisses me off is when homosexuals adhere to wotc “rules” that try to get newbies addicted and paying money. It’s all the 5e Black folk doing it, also. They have no concept of “applicability” and cannot fathom some jackass sucking up to some 60 year old homosexual who finally has power. Gatekeeping is good, but not when it’s corporate shit designed to force idiots to pay money. All “official” dnd is like this now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never said it was a good system for the game or that it meshed will with the course of play for martial characters, I'm just relaying the book. I agree, it is sad that the classes most dependent on magic items have absolutely no recourse except "get the GM to like you," but I don't work for WotC.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Older editions worked under the assumption that by midgame martials are walking around with a golfbag full of magical items and at high level play you're the dude commissioning magical items to kit out his underlings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >LTV
                pls return 2 /leftypol/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wish I was smart enough to scheme in RPGs. When I build casters I can never think of any clever exploits despite trying to focus utility spells to fulfill the meme of "wizards do everything," but of course I need a couple of blasts for backup, so over the course of the game I'm stuck in the unhappy medium of being unsatisfied with "me hit thing," whether that's playing melee or fancy-coloreds spell lasers, while knowing I can't think far enough ahead to do anything else.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Backup spellbook squirreled away somewhere" is wizarding 101 and should be your first major purchase. The rest of it comes with experience.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              RAW = rules as written. It is the only thing we can discuss about 5e in a public space. If you are changing or ignoring rules, you aren't playing 5e anymore. More power to you, but I don't discuss homebrew with others as your experience with the game does not translate into the experience anyone else has with it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In any game I've ever played the GM only let component pouches cover the small fry spells just to cut back on overall tedium of keeping track of however many eyes of newt were in inventory. If you tried to do something like cast Wish then he'd audit your components.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What is there to audit? Wish has no material component in dnd since forever. At least since 2nd edition when I first played. It's a fricking wish, man.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Burning through spells per day only does so much when the wizard can forcibly declare a time-out with Rope Trick. Working against that requires some serious decisions about your game setting to make the Astral Plane a dangerous place, and in any case you're putting in all this work just to frick with one player who's using what's printed in the book. You'd set set a better mood at the table and save yourself a lot of strain if you just ban Tier 1 from the start.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As per current rules Rope Trick only lasts 1 hour.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rope trick is easy to deal with. Players want to use it every once in a while to save their butts in a creative manner? Cool, let it be. Players start rules lawyering it all the time and it stops being fun? There are many dangers on the Astral plane....

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rope trick is easy to deal with. Players want to use it every once in a while to save their butts in a creative manner? Cool, let it be. Players start rules lawyering it all the time and it stops being fun? There are many dangers on the Astral plane....

              As always, the solution to player misbehavior is to have a calm conversation about the problem and the direction of the game like mature adults, not to engage in rules centric in game pissing matches, but that's a bar much to high for the average nerd. I have never had a problem at a table as a DM that couldn't be solved by just talking to the person like a normal human being.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't need that. Rope Trick at best gets you a short rest and has a host of limitations. Anything else is white room theorycrafting involving builds specifically around modifying Rope Trick.

                >it's also VERY obviousl a NIPPON STRONK power wank
                And what's wrong with that, exactly? I mean it's obviously silly bullshit, but we're talking about a fantasy show with a e-girl death goddess, elves, wizards, dragons, a princess named after an alcoholic beverage...it's not like its meant to be taken seriously.

                The issue is that the author goes out of his way to limit magic which makes things very boring very quickly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wish has a casting time longer than 1 turn, my dude. It also requires like 5000 gold in casting components.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Very well as I brought my 1911 chambered in .45 which kills the soul

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh hey another Ukraine War thread!

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >reply to everyone
    >war in Ukraine shit out of nowhere
    >trannies out of nowhere

    They aren’t sending their best

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Because you nig nogs were willing to die in droves for it
    >34:1
    >t55a

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Meaningless question shut up homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i want to pop your fricking eyeballs out you meaningless worm. squirm in the earth you fricking abomination

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never met a magic fricker that can magic a bullet away from killing them

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends entirely on the magic.
    Some settings you couldn't even punch your own ticket with your gun if the mage didn't want you to. Magic can stop bullets easily or even prevent the primer from sparking and powder from burning. Swords and other "not guns" often work fine however. Often the writers are open about their hatred of firearms when are often openly mocked in their writing. In some even a nuke would be useless. Another common trait is outright rejection of most if not all modern technology in general except for kooks, like Mr. Weasley in Harry Potter.

    Others the mage is fricking dead if they're not extremely skilled or special because they have to chant a prayer or spell and you just have to pull a trigger. In these a chantless spell that could be used as a quickdraw is often a sign of extreme knowledge and skill or being legitimately special. Spells typically take effort and someone that can run a barrier strong enough to stop a bullet AND fire off offensive magic at the same time is special. A skilled mage can still win that fight but by no means is some unstoppable force. Spells might also just not be that strong. When firearms, especially modern weaponry, is present the writers often go out of their way to show that they're legitimately powerful. If magic IS legitimately very powerful it's rare or that level is rare. Mage culture often readily assimilates modern tech when given the chance. There's usually no political axe to grind when it comes to firearms specifically in this type. I'd use GATE as a great example.

    A lot of western slop is the first while a lot of isekai manga/anime is the second. There's also middle grounds between the two but western stuff is WAAAAY more influenced by the author's political views.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Killing a defenseless man isn't a fight. That's murder, anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A man is never defenseless, he is under gunned, and that's not your opponent's concern

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A man is never defenseless, he is under gunned, and that's not your opponent's concern

      The ironic thing is that Indy's draw is so slow and shitty, if the guy had just run at him, he'd be dead.

      What WAS that guy doing?
      Maybe he was a street performer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know if this is true, but supposedly Harrison Ford and a lot of the crew were sick with dysentery that day and were busy shitting their pants. He was supposed to have a much more elaborate fighting scene against that guy, but instead just drew his gun and shot him. That would likely explain his slow draw.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I do like the callback when he tries to do the same thing later and realizes oh shit I don't have a gun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He violated the NAP

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Black personmen are involved the gun is for shooting myself in the head before I go mad.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're supposed to do that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE GENOSKWA-SAMA PLEASE DON'T CRUSH MY HEAD
      >AIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE NICODEMUS-SAMA STOP SPEEDBLITZING ME
      The bad guys had to job so fricking hard to lose Skin Game.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Outbreak Company did Gate better than Gate

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously I’d win. What the frick are they gonna do to me with some trading cards, give me a paper cut?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SHADOW REALM!

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magic is fake and GAY

    .45 point blank is pretty powerful

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be me, part of an elite special forces team
    >called in to defuse a hostage situation with a wizard
    >methodically clearing out rooms, when muffled chanting is heard from the bathroom
    >ohshitohfrick
    >everyone starts blasting the drywall in desperation
    >its too late
    >hear squad mates in the hallway behind screaming about their balls being microwaved
    >the guy next me to rips down his pants and starts shitting out his kidneys
    >another guy gets his head inverted
    >I look down and see my hands have merged into my gun, looking like some AI generated abomination
    >hear another chant from the bathroom
    >balls start tingling
    >mfw

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >methodically clearing rooms
      >against a wizard
      You are dumb. You are a special kind of stupid. Mind flayers starve to death in your presence. A half-orc with INT as his dumpstat, missing a part of his brain, and INT reducing gear outwits you. Inanimate rocks think you are an idiot. Dwarven sculptors and Elvish bards will create works that will last all of eternity to warn generation upon generation of the folly of Handsfree McDickless, eternal godking of the morons and his merry band of acephalic companions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you butthole, I bet you're one of those wizard sympathizers aren't you. I'd like to see how YOU would deal with having your balls turned into popcorn

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not that guy but have one of the unit's wizards cast strong wards on you and not be subjected to that frickery in the first place? Maybe have one of them on the raid too? Or we just bomb the building. Hostages won't save you and making yourself too dangerous to bother with just means we're going to go straight to killing you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          With an entity of that power level, you drop a 2000-pounder through the roof and write off the whole block. Its the only way to be sure.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Frick you butthole, I bet you're one of those wizard sympathizers aren't you
          I’m no mere wizard sympathiser dear anon, I’am a Grand Wizard!
          >I cast Black as Midnight! Your skin in now darker than the darkest man of Sudan
          >I cast Jiggabo! Your facial characteristics warp into something out of a R. Crumb comic
          >I cast Hebrew-Brew! Your birth certificate now says your are israeli, and you foreskin has disappeared, Menorah’s appear across your room
          >I cast Flaming Cross! A colossal burning cross twenty stories tall has appeared on your front lawn, your moral is sapped and you suffer smoke inhalation
          >I cast The Cape-Town Express! You are now suffering the affects of late stage AIDS and childhood malnourishment
          >I cast Economic Reasons! You are now addicted to Crack-Cocaine and your credit score has flatlined
          >I cast Sundown Town! A mob of southern gentlemen have appeared outside of your residence, they have been informed that you were seen consorting with a southern belle
          I cast The Thin Blue Line! A legion of 1990’s era LAPD Officers have joined the mob. They have been informed that you have a baggie of fent and a Tech-9
          >I finally cast BuckBreaker XXX! on the mob outside your residence. Making them extra excited.
          Let’s see your science and technology save you from this Boy!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair to him, they probably worked for the government and that’s exactly the “logic” I’d expect

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Le magic vs technology is fricking moron. What make you think they wouldn't just COMBINE IT? Imagine a missile that is powered by fire magic and the warhead loaded with any magic you can think of. Imagine a gun that can shoot enchanted bullet that explode upon contact. Hey bro, let me enchant your clothes to be as hard as metal plate. The possibility is endless.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can’t. Magic perverts the natural order, that includes the natural sciences. If you charge up a warhead you’d already be dead because you allowed wizards near it in the first place. You’re driving down the street and you drive past a wizard you’re fricked because congrats your internal combustion engine just became an external combustion engine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is that works both ways. Sure, the wizard could blow your car up while you drove it down the road, but at the same time the wizard could catch a bullet to the 'ol pointy hat from 500 meters away before he could react. You can't begin to answer the question in a generic sense, you have to define exactly what kind of magic and tech are allowed. There's a big difference between magic in Harry Potter vs. White Wolf, for example.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There's a big difference between magic in Harry Potter vs. White Wolf, for example.
          Harry Potter is a funny example because they've got the toolkit to completely frick any non magical real world nation, but their entire planet is populated by the kind of Infomercial pod people that people the imagination of childless alcoholic boomer Anglo women, so it evens out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The bullet magnet
      >A small device that magically attracts flying projectiles towards it

      >A rifle which shoots magical bullets
      >The bullets transmute blood to white phosphorous

      >Infinite magazine
      >Uses inter-dimensional gate magic to feed ammunition from a remote warehouse directly into a weapons magazine with no weight and essentially limitless capacity

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you saying these things with such excitement like you aren't the hundred thousandth person to do so for like thirty five years?
      The "sides" are not "I hate guns" vs "I hate shooting fireballs" the sides are "AWAHACHGLBLAGL I HATE WIZARDS I HATE THEM I HATE THEM AHH MAGIC IS BAD I'D SHOOT IT WITH A GUN" and people pointing out things from different magic systems that make non magical responses difficult or impossible.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    b-but mind control
    just use drones

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's not trying to police state you, he's explicitly trying to kill you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't see the problem with thinking that modern drones render mind control irrelevant when modern drones cant render civilian sabotage and ambush irrelevant?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's no correlation dipshit. The idea is they already know where you are, the drone is already inbound if not one bomb or missile lighter, and you're about to die. It's too late for sabotage because your gift is on it's way, the pilot is hundreds to thousands of miles away, and it's a pretty safe bet don't even know it's coming.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The idea is they already know where you are, the drone is already inbound if not one bomb or missile lighter, and you're about to die
              LOL that's a hell of a handicap.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, they don't then. How are you going to deal with the pilot being hundreds if not thousands of miles away? How are you going to make sure nobody ever finds you? Once they know and the strike is coming you're dead. Are you going to be a good little boy that doesn't need an attitude adjustment? Are you going to mind control the entire military because you're a homosexual and have the worldbuilding skills of a 9 year old?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How are you going to deal with the pilot being hundreds if not thousands of miles away?
                Why do I have to deal with him at all if he's not coming after me?

                >How are you going to make sure nobody ever finds you?
                Finds me what Black person, doing what?

                >Are you going to mind control the entire military because you're a homosexual and have the worldbuilding skills of a 9 year old?
                The nine year old here is the one that literally cant imagine the usefulness of magical mind control in a modern context unless "it zaps all duh army men all at once".

                Hiding behind specifics is moronic because we were talking in generalities. If you want specific tactics, you need to make the scenario itself specific. Just saying "mind control dumb cus I use a drone" then screaming that I haven't provided an entire treatise on the use of mind control for sabotage with specific metaphysics when I ask how your hypothetical drone-pilot even knows who he's supposed to be attacking is beyond moronic.

                Point is, there are many series, many myths, many settings and magic systems, in which men or beasts can be fully controlled at arbitrary distances by an unseen magic man. To detail the exact nature of a hypothetical campaign against a modern society waged with such a power we need to be more specific as to what exact power we are talking about, but suffice it to say the ability to transform random people into agents of your will, loyal unto death, without any non magically trackable or traceable sign of your presence, is an absurd, unbelievable advantage, ESPECIALLY if whoever or whatever you're after doesn't even know that's what you're doing. It would take a glacially long time for your enemies to even begin to suspect what you were doing if there wasn't some kind of plot convenient tip off, much less come up with any way to find you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The whole damn point is if a drone or other aircraft is in the process of coming to kill you you're not mind controlling the bomb out of hitting you. There may be other spells that would save your ass but mind control sure as shit isn't one of them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a pretty stupid point, It's like saying in a chess game if you've lost every single piece without capturing a single one, and the opponent has managed to convert all their pawns to queens, you cant win anymore even if you're really good at chess.
                It's like saying "You think a wizard can win? Oh yeah well what if he starts the fight asleep one inch above the magma in a volcano with no spells active? Not so tough now are you???"

                It's a pointless statement.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The whole chain started because someone implied they could stop a paveway from turning them to paste with mind control...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a pointless statement.
                Black person you said a wizard can't be killed by a missile strike because "mind control". You made the first pointless statement by saying he's invincible

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong, YOU said

                b-but mind control
                just use drones

                >b-but mind control
                >just use drones

                without even quoting anyone you moron. So our starting point was
                "Durr mind control not good evar cus drone exist"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"Durr mind control not good evar cus drone exist"
                Literally no one said this

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's ALL the post I quoted said.
                >Mind control useless because drone

                No quote, no specifics, just
                >Mind control bad
                >Drone

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>Mind control useless because drone
                No it didn’t. Why are you lying? It said
                >b-but mind control
                >just use drones
                It didn’t say mind control was bad or useless. It implied drones, air strikes, missiles, etc can counter mind control

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It didn’t say mind control was bad or useless.
                That's what it says. And you literally just admitted what you meant was exactly what it looks like

                [...]
                My point was why is everyone so afraid of mind control when you can use drones and in the future you can let AI handle the drones, making it totally immune to it, that of course doesn't make mind control less effective against people, a single meme mage with a crystal ball could mind control someone important from afar and get access to a lot of info and nukes but that would be assuming the mage knows about this world before doing this, if they don't know and speak another language the mage would just kill them instead of getting information from them.
                But if they can read their memories...
                Just imagine Half life but with mages/wizards/sorcs/necromancers/warlocks and fantasy bs instead of aliens

                >why is everyone so afraid of mind control when you can use drones
                Which is a moronic statement on top of a moronic statement

                Try to backpedal all you want, I've got the reciets.
                Like a zoomer gay you decided, instead of making an argument to just mumble
                >M-muh Mind control
                >M-muh drone
                as if that fricking meant anything, and then when pressed for an actual argument, answered with something almost equally moronic
                >Why is people scared of Mind Control when u can shoot it wiff a gun???

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's what it says.
                Where does
                >b-but mind control
                >just use drones
                say bad or useless? Can you point it out to me?

                It’s not even my post but you sperging like a raped ape is quite annoying.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's ALL the post I quoted said.
                >Mind control useless because drone

                No quote, no specifics, just
                >Mind control bad
                >Drone

                My point was why is everyone so afraid of mind control when you can use drones and in the future you can let AI handle the drones, making it totally immune to it, that of course doesn't make mind control less effective against people, a single meme mage with a crystal ball could mind control someone important from afar and get access to a lot of info and nukes but that would be assuming the mage knows about this world before doing this, if they don't know and speak another language the mage would just kill them instead of getting information from them.
                But if they can read their memories...
                Just imagine Half life but with mages/wizards/sorcs/necromancers/warlocks and fantasy bs instead of aliens

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that of course doesn't make mind control less effective against people, a single meme mage with a crystal ball could mind control someone important from afar and get access to a lot of info and nukes but that would be assuming the mage knows about this world before doing this, if they don't know and speak another language the mage would just kill them instead of getting information from them.
                >But if they can read their memories...
                ...
                > why is everyone so afraid of mind control

                But that's WHY.
                You answered your OWN QUESTION.
                That is LITERALLY WHY.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ah bro i'm just pointing out it isn't broken like controlling time itself, you can at least play around it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ah bro i'm just pointing out it isn't broken like controlling time itself, you can at least play around it
                No one said it was as good as controlling time.

                >That's what it says.
                Where does
                >b-but mind control
                >just use drones
                say bad or useless? Can you point it out to me?

                It’s not even my post but you sperging like a raped ape is quite annoying.

                >Where does
                The Phrase "just use drones" means that this is some kind of response to the first statement, "mind control", but it isnt in any rational way.
                Please vacate the site, ESL underage gay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >getting shot
                >just wear plates
                Does that invalidate firearms? Does it imply they are meaningless because there is a counter in certain situations?

                Of course not so quit applying your childish logic to this to.
                >muh ESL
                Completely fricking cope by you having to eat your own words. No go ahead and call me brown to save face to complete strangers on a thread that will die tomorrow

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Does it imply they are meaningless
                Literally yes, and you'd get made fun of mercilessly for saying something as moronic as

                >M-muh bullets!
                >Just wear plates

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you want a trite, modern example:
                The wizards of Harry Potter have a tremendous problem with competency, but their toolkit is vast. They're a well known example, so lets look at how they might engage in a psionic terror campaign in modern earth, assuming a powerful dark wizard with an actual functioning brain (impossible in his world).

                Looking only at the mind-control powers in the setting, our wizard can not only create long term mind slaves by pointing at someone and saying a word, but he can also, with no outward movements or signs, invade nearby minds and cause crippling pain and flood the senses with incoherent nightmare images. He can make people forget whatever he likes, including his face, or having ever met him. He can actually place such a spell as a kind of "trap" or "barrier" so that anyone who crosses a certain point gets hit with it.

                If such a man was cautious, if he made sure to only enslave people in private, and erase their memory of him, and where they were when they met him, and he scattered his enslaving around at random on the map, he would have a veritable infinite supply of suicide attackers and saboteurs at his disposal, and no amount of interrogation would reveal his presence.

                His drones could destroy roads, power lines, commit assassinations or mass killings, they could be anyone, not only vagrants and crackheads that no one would miss, if he was alone with anyone for a few seconds he could bring them under his sway. He could Zap someone from a bathroom stall, or an alleyway under a pile of garbage. While the domination power requires a wand and an spoken word (which can be whispered) his mental invasion power and mind erasing power do not, necessarily. He could render any public figure a drooling moron while looking like one of their supporters in a crowd. He could subtly influence the minds of a technician, a body guard, a politician, so that they would unknowingly PLACE themselves in a position to be Enslaved.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The whole damn point is if a drone or other aircraft is in the process of coming to kill you you're not mind controlling the bomb out of hitting you. There may be other spells that would save your ass but mind control sure as shit isn't one of them.

                >How are you going to deal with the pilot being hundreds if not thousands of miles away?
                Why do I have to deal with him at all if he's not coming after me?

                >How are you going to make sure nobody ever finds you?
                Finds me what Black person, doing what?

                >Are you going to mind control the entire military because you're a homosexual and have the worldbuilding skills of a 9 year old?
                The nine year old here is the one that literally cant imagine the usefulness of magical mind control in a modern context unless "it zaps all duh army men all at once".

                Hiding behind specifics is moronic because we were talking in generalities. If you want specific tactics, you need to make the scenario itself specific. Just saying "mind control dumb cus I use a drone" then screaming that I haven't provided an entire treatise on the use of mind control for sabotage with specific metaphysics when I ask how your hypothetical drone-pilot even knows who he's supposed to be attacking is beyond moronic.

                Point is, there are many series, many myths, many settings and magic systems, in which men or beasts can be fully controlled at arbitrary distances by an unseen magic man. To detail the exact nature of a hypothetical campaign against a modern society waged with such a power we need to be more specific as to what exact power we are talking about, but suffice it to say the ability to transform random people into agents of your will, loyal unto death, without any non magically trackable or traceable sign of your presence, is an absurd, unbelievable advantage, ESPECIALLY if whoever or whatever you're after doesn't even know that's what you're doing. It would take a glacially long time for your enemies to even begin to suspect what you were doing if there wasn't some kind of plot convenient tip off, much less come up with any way to find you.

                Ok, they don't then. How are you going to deal with the pilot being hundreds if not thousands of miles away? How are you going to make sure nobody ever finds you? Once they know and the strike is coming you're dead. Are you going to be a good little boy that doesn't need an attitude adjustment? Are you going to mind control the entire military because you're a homosexual and have the worldbuilding skills of a 9 year old?

                If Harry Potter is to banal for you, I'd point out that a high level Scanner from the movie Scanners can do just about everything I said in my post. More! Actually, if you go by the lower quality sequels where they can do things like posses people through the television.

                Ironically DnD is normally the go to example for these sorts of things, but mind control is actually pretty limited (in other words, requiring a disproportionately powerful caster) in regards to civilizational ending shit. Climb high enough up the power scale and yes obviously you start to get guys who could remotely dominate world leaders through crystal balls to start wars and such. In DnD it'd be much easier to destroy a non magical population by sicking some kind of incorporeal undead on them that makes more of itself when it kills, that's not any kind of exploit or "trick" that's just a basic monster. In a world with lots of magic, it's no big deal.
                Thats the real problem with "Magic vs Non Magic" discussions. Once you start getting into specific settings, there are so many magical abilities that are just "If not magic do not pass Go" that the conversation becomes pointless.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Necrophilia enthusiast wizards
                You'd assume any culture where that kind of thing was a perceivable threat would have grave rituals around cutting tendons or shattering femurs, or just cremating everything, to the point actually practicing "necromancy" would just be a gay aesthetic slapped on what mechanically would be golem production

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No because those are two completely separate things you dumbass. You just need to kill one guy, which drones do very well. Drones can’t pacify and control a population.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Runescape taught me anything, ranged beats mage.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How would that go?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://odysee.com/Harry-Potter-and-the-Deathly-Weapons:68

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, it's not what I would choose, but the friendly cat lover in your picture strikes me as someone who'd go for a 1911.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd guess Browning Hi-Power autist.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread
    >all these actual full homosexual homosexual wannabe DMs wondering why their low magic ERP focus campaign can't maintain a table
    prepare for your party to charter a ship to go to the magical land of everywhere else in module setting that has spell reagents for sale to get rich as traders back in the kingdom of cucklandia instead of your stupid fricking dungeon 100% of the time

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly it comes down to an Author more or less depicting the world background, and plot for a or group of Mages creativity, competence, and overall mana output. While a Firearm wielding individual would just need physical training, overall weapon proficency, and the technological lethality of said firearm. An example of firearms technological lethality can be based on the era it was made from in our frame of history as a foundation for this. Starting asm Is the firearm a Black powder single shot flintlock, is the firearm rimfire lever action, is it a semi/ selectable fire intermediate to large caliber centerfire, is it antimaterial larger scale centerfire, is it higher caliber explosive shell firearm that can chuck projectiles exceeding 25 milimeters, is it a coil gun powered by nuclear fusion/ magic, sending a projectile at mach 6.8 just below an atmospheres ignition point, is the firearm a direct energy partical thrower, is the firearm magic powered bullshit requiring a supplmentary war mages skillset to even use to begin with.

    The civilization may lack the needed materials, skilled inventors, and industrial capabilites,to even make a firearm or process the needed componants to fire/launch projectiles. Mages typically cannot defend against what they cannot see or detect most are still mortal in some capacity, unless they did some broken reality cheating. Making the Mage undead or an immortal object type bullshit. In which case Partical Atomization/nullifcation via Direct energy partical acceleration going half or more the speed of light

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'd probably turn into a banana and i'd be fricked.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there is a reason these homosexuals were bullied into their basements for their gay board game

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    try a delta green game, it will go very wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that the "special operators meet Cthulhu mythos" one?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah. guns rarely work but incendiaries and bombs usually do. or they just make the problem so much worse you don't have to worry about it anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More so just government agents, DEA, FBI, intel agencies, secret service.
        I made a guy who was an IRS agent, the cults fears the long dick of the forensic accountant.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based on the Call of Cthulhu roleplaying game using a gun to shoot a homie works like half the time and martial arts are even better.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bring the best guns money can buy
    >get mindwiped by astral drones
    >Verification not required.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >equips +1 mithril helm of indominability
      Checkmate.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whoops there it is.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >teleports inside u
          >nothing personnel kid

          That said, mithril foil cap is a neat meme idea and I'm stealing it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >teleports inside u
        >nothing personnel kid

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl+F "Spellcross"
    >no matches
    I am disappoint.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would go fairly well. Science > magic, anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gate looses, sorry.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every gunfight is magical.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any good science + magic book/series where magic already exist since day 1 and Science and tech are also developed along it. and not just rediscovered like Shadowrun. Preferably modern or early modern time.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sometimes you bring a gun to the magic fight because it's all you've got.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking about it, aren’t most things in Lovecraft perfectly able of being hurt by guns? Unimaginable abominations from the depths of strange aeons are the small minorities, ie, Great Old Ones and Outer Gods are just beyond that shit. Also, the Color Out of Space entities may be invulnerable from guns. All the other aliens like the Yith, Mi-go, even the Elder Things etc seem like they could be shot to death — being mortal beings of matter like humans. Also the followers of gods like fish hybrid people you could shoot to death no problem.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been reading his stories recently, one by one, and whenever there's a named animal then it'll be a cat called some form of "Black person". 8 stories in and I've seen Black personman (like his actual cat) and Nig.

    Also didn't read everything, but I think that The Case of Charles Dexter Ward is his best story.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I liked how the Great Race of Yith were so blasé about letting transferees just wander around and talk with one another.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My favorite is In the Vault, ironically one of his less supernatural stories.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Humans eradicated elves, fairies, giants, witches, and demons before we even discovered iron. The last living god was killed during the time of the Roman Empire.

    Magic doesn't stand a chance.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every single world government is ruled by Moloch and his priesthood.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fugg it's Shoggoth uprising
    What weapons and what strategy will you use to save the Elder Things civilization?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A second, slightly larger breed of Shoggoths!

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love all this DnD sperging. Reading about others having fun is fun. Been wanting to get into it for ages but my circle of friends is too normie.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that wizards lurk among us and one was even our president

    >Be Andrew Jackson
    >guy tries to shoot you
    >gun malfunctions
    >pull backup gun
    >it malfunctions as well
    >run
    >guy that somehow needed a cane to walk catches up to you and beats you 3/4 to death before his bodyguards manage to pull him off you

    Coincidence? I don't fricking think so, Jackson used magic to alter probability, then to enhance his movement speed to catch that assassin. His cane? Spell focus, the wizard staff equivalent of an SBR. Wake up sheeple.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really related, but how would one equip electronic ear-pro for elves?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You make fitted silicone earplugs that fully obscure the concha. The electronic components are transmitted via bone conducing headphones.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's pretty clever.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If you brought a gun to a magic fight.
    How would that go?

    Pretty well, I bet.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WHere anm I

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pretty good. remember it's implied that humans btfod the Wizarding world in Harry Potter, why else would magic users be in hiding from normies

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