If Ukraine was taking single city of 70k prewar pop for 8 months it would be considered proof that Ukraine is losing a war. How come for Russia its proof that they, in fact, winning this war?
If Ukraine was taking single city of 70k prewar pop for 8 months it would be considered proof that Ukraine is losing a war.
>ukropiggie seething while we are constantly gaining ground and winning this war
stay mad *~~*~~*~~*~~
850 more months
More like 850 years lmao
H-how... how many more weeks is that?
about tree fiddy
My god...that's almost twice as long as two more weeks.
Same as always: two.
Size of Ukraine=600,000 square km
Let's say 200,000 of those are occupied, including Crimea, the Crimean corridor as well as Donbabwe and Luganda
400,000/85 = 4700 months
This means Russia poised to take over Ukraine by the 25th century and there is nothing you can do against it
>but, but Russia is winning too slowly
cope and seethe Ukropiggies
Ok, but consider the regular counterattacks that retake 50x more territory than Russia gains in that period.
autism
Post Balakliia
Post Vovchansk
Post Kupiansk
Post Kreminna
Post Izium
Post Lyman
Post Kherson
>he still doesn’t understand the post
unironic autism
>trying to understand bullshit
retard
>seething this hard that a joke post went over his autist head
take meds
i got 694.4166666667 years using percentages
This has to be parody, right? Russia kills quarter of a million men and doesn't even manage to capture one country. Not even one fifth of it. How on earth did you ever think on taking NATO in this silly little empire building episode of yours?
A quarter of million Russian KIA is just silly. You don't need to lie or make up a number like that when the truth (50-75k KIA, 100k+ wounded) is more than enough to make it a disastrous humiliation for Russia,
>we are constantly gaining ground
>acknowledging the blue areas of this map is prohibited by Article 280.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and is punishable by up to five years' imprisonment.
Damn the Russians are pathetic
if russia stubbornly defended kherson we would still be having >kherson in 2 more weeks threads to his day, get real
How do you know that Russia would still be able to support Kherson after so much time?
Ukraine was making no progress while losing a shitton of equipment and men and that's before they even reached the outskirts of the city, dozens of kilometers away in the fields
Why did Russia retreat if that was the case? Why didn't they just grind the Ukrainian army down?
They were trying to save Ukrainian lives. You wouldn't get it dumb and heartless westerner.
>They were trying to save Ukrainian lives
uh huh
Looks like a combination of hell and the surface of the moon. What town is this?
Marynka
Damn that's right on the border of the DNR. Amazing that the Russians couldn't take it yet and they want everyone to think they will win
shut up it's still impressive
Kherson was untenable long term, they thought they could take the whole of Donetsk if they transferred those troops (lmao).
Have you just started following the war or what?
Lol fuck off coping retard
>Kherson was untenable long term, they thought they could take the whole of Donetsk if they transferred those troops (lmao).
>Have you just started following the war or what?
No, I am just trying to figure out your logic.
>Russian are killing lots of Ukrainians
>Ukrainians are making attacks with lots of losses while inflicting little to the Russians
>Ukrainians are making 0 progress
>Russians retreat
Is this the scenario that supposedly happened in your head or what?
All I am trying to say is if the Ukrainian attacks in Kherson were unsuccessfull and pointless, the Russians wouldn't have retreated.
It's almost the same scenario that's been unfolding near and around Bakhmut with the roles reversed.
Even the Americans are suggesting Kyiv should retreat and save troops for a counteroffensive.
Now if you can't grasp why losing troops for a lost cause might not be the best course of action even if you're inflicting higher casualties on your enemy, I don't think I can help you.
I know you have to support your team but try to be objective.
What are you on about? Ukraine was like 30 kilometers from Kherson, Russians just left and Ukraine let them leave.
>Now if you can't grasp why losing troops for a lost cause might not be the best course of action even if you're inflicting higher casualties on your enemy, I don't think I can help you
If you're inflicting disproportionately more casualties on enemy then how the fuck it is lost cause?
First of all QUANTIFY dumb woman, secondly there are several factors that go into waging war with morale being of great importance, lastly it's a lost cause because that town/city is doomed to fall regardless of the amount of resources to pour into it
Taking Bahmut would be a morale boost for Russia, so even in that regard holding onto the city for as long as possible is in Ukraine's favor.
>First of all QUANTIFY dumb woman
But whenever someone quantities it you guys start screeching how we're all stupid npcs who'll believe anything and something about muh CNN.
>It's almost the same scenario that's been unfolding near and around Bakhmut with the roles reversed.
No it's not the same. Ukrainains are admitting that there is heavy fighting with losses on both sides, they are just inflicting higher casualties on the enemy and are willing to continue the battle as long as this is the case. They are not saying that Russia is making 0 progress, and then 1 day suddenly out of the blue they will retreat. The Bahmut retreat has been expected for a long time, it just isn't time for it yet. As long as the losses are 1:5 in Ukraine's favor I don't think they will be willing to lose this position. The moment this position becomes untenable they will retreat, but judging by the fact they are rotating fresh elite units into Bahmut seems to suggest they are not willing to give it up just yet.
You and I don't know K:D ratio, you're just swallowing any tid-bit of info you read online that aligns with your preconceived notion that Ukrainians are slaughtering Russians.
On the other hand taking back land that's been unjustly stolen from you is much better for morale than being besieged and eventually losing the rubble once known as Bakhmut, once known as Artemivsk, once known as Bakhmut again.
>You and I don't know K:D ratio, you're just swallowing any tid-bit of info you read online that aligns with your preconceived notion that Ukrainians are slaughtering Russians.
There have been many videos from both sides confirming this, Russians are suffering massive casualties, especially Vagner. It could be 1:4, or 1:3 but it is deffinitely in Ukraine's favor.
Do you unironically believe Ukraine is just holding onto Bahmut for propaganda reasons?
>There have been many videos from both sides confirming this
What kind of videos? Prigizhin shit talking the MOD?
Yes casualties are in Ukraine's favor but all sensible estimates appear to put the casualties for the whole war close to a 1:1 1:2 ratio, so I doubt your estimates which would imply Ukraine suffered similarly high casualties during their offensives.
>Do you unironically believe Ukraine is just holding onto Bahmut for propaganda reasons?
No, I believe they're holding onto every inch because they have little offensive potential and know they are unlikely to retake much of anything lost back, hence why they're politely disregarding American advice to save troops for a counteroffensive (in which they have little faith).
>What kind of videos? Prigizhin shit talking the MOD?
Yes casualties are in Ukraine's favor but all sensible estimates appear to put the casualties for the whole war close to a 1:1 1:2 ratio, so I doubt your estimates which would imply Ukraine suffered similarly high casualties during their offensives.
The whole war, sure it is close to 1:1, but I would argue it is 1:1,5 in Ukraine's favor as of recently. Once Russia wasted all of it's initial elite troops and mobiks entered the field, casualties for Russia have massively increased.
As far as Bahmut casualties I unironically believe it is 1:3 or 1:4. Defending a big city is much easier than attacking it.
>No, I believe they're holding onto every inch because they have little offensive potential and know they are unlikely to retake much of anything lost back, hence why they're politely disregarding American advice to save troops for a counteroffensive (in which they have little faith).
I guess you could be correct or you could be wrong. We will have to wait and see what they do in the spring.
>but all sensible estimates appear to put the casualties for the whole war close to a 1:1 1:2 ratio
Link me to 5 of them right now.
>No, I believe they're holding onto every inch because they have little offensive potential and know they are unlikely to retake much of anything lost back, hence why they're politely disregarding American advice to save troops for a counteroffensive
The fewer Russian there are, the easier it would be to counterattack them, that's how it happened every single fucking time in this war
>sensible estimates
>put the casualties for the whole war close to a 1:1 1:2 ratio
>one is primary on the defensive in cover/trenches/bunkers/ambushes while other out in the open on offensives
>whole net flooded with vids of vatnig corpses fertilizing the sunflowers
>the prime heavy hitter in the entire war, arty, has had its ammo chocked by degrading supply
who is your sensible estimator? Macgregor? RT?
A Turkish tabloid writer who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a
garden gnome who's second cousin's rabbi works for mossad.
Every western intelligence estimate, from the bongs to CIA, whenever they put out numbers they're not very far off, massive copers.
>>one is primary on the defensive in cover/trenches/bunkers/ambushes while other out in the open on offensives
Both have conducted offensive, and one side was and is still is to a lesser extent outgunned, particularly in what you describe "the prime heavy hitter of the entire war" moron
>Every western intelligence estimate
Link pls.
Learn to google, estimates have been released or leaked recently something like 200k casualties for russia, ukrainian casualties in november last year (before the intense fighting in bakhmu) were already at 100k
You should be able to easily post your source if the information is that readily available.
no i'm not going to scour the internet to school you because you were in a coma when these news came out, I'm not here to babysit you or to convince you of anything, i don't give a fuck, you can keep believing ukrainians are slaying russians 7:1
>hey guys remember western intel estimated that ukrainians lost 2 million guys already, I don't think they can hold on much longer
>my source? no it's not my job to school you, do your own research
>On the other hand taking back land that's been unjustly stolen from you is much better for morale
Not allowing it to be stolen in the first place is best for morale retard
>On the other hand taking back land that's been unjustly stolen from you is much better for morale than being besieged and eventually losing the rubble once known as Bakhmut
you could have just read the whole sentence, retard
Fine, I'll spell it out for you kiddo, but only once so pay close attention:
Not "losing the rubble once known as Bakhmut, once known as Artemivsk, once known as Bakhmut again." is better for morale 100x times (successful defenses always are) than "taking back land that's been unjustly stolen from you", even "being besieged" can be better for overall morale when you look at the Ukrainian reaction to a place like Mariupol
Maryupol was a different story, maybe you can't figure out why.
I guess we'll have to disagree that conducting successful counteroffensive and liberating your people from russian troglodytes is better for morale than getting shelled constantly while sitting in a hole, after all we all remember how much better ukie morale was when they were getting pummelled the whole spring and summer than when they liberated the north, then kharkiv and then kherson
>Russians just left and Ukraine let them leave.
After being stranded in the city for months since HIMARS fucked their supplies.
right, "no progress" despite several breakthroughs from kriviy rih direction
There was one worth of mention in a 5 month long counteroffensive.
That's the map the day before Russians left, so much for stubbornly defended
Are you implying Russian didn't defend each inch of land? So why wasn't map moving much, somewhere in months?
>"If you don't make it to point A and fight at point A, then it doesn't count."
Again, notice how the vatnik and it's supporters demonstrate an almost child-like understanding of warfare. They really, really think that battles *must* take place for cities for that city to count as a won battle.
They don't understand how Ukraine grinding down and depleting the combat effectiveness of Russian elite units around Kherson (with key breakthrough ultimately being what forced the situation for the Russians' retreat) was depletion of the very forces Russia would have used to defend the city proper.
Shit it's very unlikely they even remember or ever understood just how strategically fucked Russia's situation was on that side of the river.
Tankies, like the authoritarian thirdies they fap to, have cartoonish, childish understandings of war and how they ought to be fought.
>everybody is le vatnik
Stopped reading right there, write more poem no one will ever read and kys retard
>reads anon’s entire comment
>tells everyone he now has suicide on his mind
lmao the seething at reality is so raw
>Ukraine was making no progress
>Russia retreated from the only regional capital city for...reasons
Maybe stop shilling vatnik cope that never made any sense
Yes they retreated for a variety of reasons some of them have been mentioned by other anons as well, is your post suppose to imply they retreated for no reasons?
>if you don't repeat the dumb shit i wanna hear ad nauseam you're le vatnik
You're a retard and a touchy gay too
>first tells people he is thinking about suicide
>now tells people he is thinking of homosexual acts
keep going, you are winning
>Yes they retreated for a variety of reasons
Due to Ukraine wearing them down and making it impossible for them to supply themselves, retard
Yes, Kherson being untenable long term for Russia was one of the first things I stated you hysterical woman.
The fact that, given the circumstances, it took Ukraine 5 months to convince the russians they better leave it's evidence of Ukraine's poor offensive capabilities.
Go ahead lose your shit again gay
So you’re finally aknowledging that I am a woman?! FINALLY, Anons have been proven wrong!
Not the other anon, but by leaving Kherson, Russia also helped Ukraine’s defense of the Donbas.
Logistics for Ukraine were simplified (front line was cut significantly and Dnipro is train hub for supplies) while Russia was forced to use Mariupol as their main train hub for the entire south while the Kerch Bridge is down.
The Russians moved their troops but so did Ukraine, making overwhelming them significantly more difficult.
It was operationally significant for both sides.
A country with 1/3rd of the population of Russia and a fraction of its resources and industry pushing into Russian territory shows immense ineptitude on the part o the Russians.
>you woman
They will never be women you chud loving gay.
>Again, notice how the vatnik and it's supporters demonstrate an almost child-like understanding of warfare.
>Tankies, like the authoritarian thirdies they fap to, have cartoonish, childish understandings of war and how they ought to be fought.
...or as that great galaxy brained philospher Vladamir Solovyev once sagely opined....
Russia did stubbornly defend kherson, Ukraine had to grind its way through some of the most elite units russia had to force that particular retreat
Nah, everyone would be making fun of all the videos of Russians having to eat each other to survive the siege into January. One of the few smart decisions Russia actually made was abandoning Kherson. I really doubt it would have been advantageous for them in any way to have a fun winter urban siege in a city on the far side of the banks of a river from their supply lines, where every bridge or crossing they attempt is going to suck artillery.
Russia didn't stubbornly defend Kherson? That sounds an awful like you're discrediting the armed forces of the Russian Federation, comrade.
Because they are defending against a much larger aggressor that has (now was) long been viewed as a major power.
It's an overdone analogy but imagine saying the same thing if the US was in year +1 of invading Mexico and was STILL stuck less than 100milea from the border facing at a minimum a thousands casualties a month.
>Mexico
Defending desert is way harder than forest/jungle. Mexico's military is also nowhere near Ukraine's level, stfu stupid gay.
Moreso, because we, completely blind to the true strategic reality of the entire front and it's depth, equally blind to the strategic reality of Bakhmut, know that the Ukrainian idea is to attrit RF to the point of culmination and psychological meltdown, cannot be entirely sure of its success. . .
RF must be doing well?
Such logics must surely mean something, for so many to bring it up? Or so few to bring it up hundreds of times on the internet?
Is this what it's like to be close to an authoritarian conflict? The whole thing is just a window into someone's chronic fatalist depression?
Now that people are cutting in on Putin's meme and making the same edits of Prigozhin, Putin must be thinking it's getting time to get rid of this fucker before he gets coup'd
>President Prigozhin addressing his subjects from Kreml, 2024
>How come for Russia its proof that they, in fact, winning this war?
to encourage Russians to try harder :))
They've gained far more than they lost in the last 6 months
I can't believe you're as easy to fool as Putin
How come Russia, the supposedly second strongest military in the world, cannot in one year take control of the supposedly corrupt and weak "nazi" Ukraine? 😀 It's almost as if it was all for show and the entire sector was gutted and sold to buy luxury yachts for oligarchs. You can't at the same time, have a multi-layered corruption scheme where everyone gets to "have a roof" and steal something AND conduct a costly war that requires those resources you are stealing. Their military is like a can of ammo that was stored outdoors for 40 years. It might look somewhat fine on the outside, but open it up and you see the bottoms rusted off and ruined everything.
Now we are told ukraines military is conscripted children and elderly men, forced at gunpoint by the nazi garden gnome zelensky. And that there is so much corruption that only 5 percent of weapons make it to battlefield. And somehow Russia can't defeat this. I'm certain their entire country has schizophrenia
Jokes aside, entire promised (not even delivered) aid, most of which is finanical aid anyway, is not even half of russia 2022 military budget. And russia prepared for it for at least 15 years since Monke speech. So its half of the yearly russian budged against 30 times that.
And all that might culminated in 11 years siege of Bakhmut.
To be fair upkeep production and storage eat a lot of money on equipment alone not mentioning personnel costs and training. Ukraine is getting a lot of help and donations that are just gift wrapped equipment ready to go without having to actually manufacture purchase or maintain it. A piece of equipment might cost a million dollars on the ticket but when you factor in the costs it took to produce store and keep it running its a hell of a lot more expensive than that and ukraine gets to ignore a large portion of it because it just shows up ready to go.
Not that any of that is a bad thing. Fuck russia.
>A piece of equipment might cost a million dollars on the ticket but when you factor in the costs it took to produce store and keep it running its a hell of a lot more expensive
Isnt most price tags on military hardware is export price, which is greatly overpriced? So 1mil on western weapon in reality is like half, which also includes MT and storage price.
At least for russian shit it is that way, because they never say real cost of production. A-50 presumably cost $500 mil each, simply becuse last purchase by India was $1 billion for two. No way that ancient garbage is that expensive, unless you count in the fact that russia cant make new ones.
>russia 2022 military budget
to be fair, most of it was spent on yachts
Russians seem to lack the ability to recognize obviously doctored pictures. Is it due to the limited access to it? I mean, we all knew Russia was lagging behind the rest of the world but is it that bad?
40% of Russians don't have access to indoor plumbing
To be fair, after all the conscripted deaths it's probably more like 38% by now.
It's because anyone who said "hey, does that photo seem sort of airbrush-y to you?" was removed from the gene pool five generations ago.
this picture is from 2007
https://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/2007613130437.aspx
Russian firehose of falsehood. Ignorance is strength.
I still get amazed you get (You)'s for this. I almost want to copy you.
stfu shill, just fuck off back to pol - your low effort posting is actually effective there since they are also fucking retards.
90% of the
>world support
is thoughts and prayers tier.
Don't forget about online shilling!
The population of the "city" is irrelevant because it's no longer a city. It's a military base. It's Ukraine's biggest and most important military base. It's the final boss of the war and the rest is just a mop up job. It's over for Ukraine, sorry reddit.
>It's the final boss of the war
That would be Kyiv. Y'all bros got stuck on the tutorial boss (Mauripol) for months and now you're bashing your head against the first level boss with little to no progress.
None of these statements are correct. Take a look at this "military base." It's like the hyperfortress grozny at this point.
This new STALKER game looks nice
Putin is actually a GSC Game World plant.
THIRTEEN months into the three day SMO and the cope is as strong as ever. After the Moskva sunk to a nation without a navy, you'd think they'd tone it down a little.
You have not seen the actual level of cope until you dare to look at them in their native habitat on telegram and twitter.
Imagine if the US invaded Mexico, got stuck 100 miles in then got pushed back while shills online tried to convince you America was the strongest military on earth.
>100 miles in
Harkiv is 20 miles from border.
Half of Donetsk front is 3-5km from Donetsk.
Nah this is like if the armed forces decide to invade to best up the cartels, and the cartels actually hold the line in Tijuana.
Would be pretty embarrassing for the military.
Good thing we're not planning to just lob a pile of men into Mexico to round up gang members, right? That would be a fucking moronic idea, eh?
I literally cannot believe russia isn't already in charge of ukraine and operating anti-guerilla operations by now.
It STAGGERS my belief this is not the current set of affairs, and I cannot imagine this ever occurring to its competing superpowers.
>mfw russians will try to memory-hole this whole war in my lifetime
gays laugh instead of doing anything useful
either condemn Russia or negotiate with them instead of behaving like schoolchildren
Alas, poo's didn't think of charging into the stage and tearing Lavrov apart limb from limb
Maybe next times
>if you take the city, you lose
ok
they don't get a lot of military support, only UK, US and some europeans countries give them old stuff, barely anything new, if NATO wanted, they could ended this war in a few months at least, send everything to Ukraine and watch them go and kill every russian, but they won't do that. Second reason is money, the military industrial complex make a lot of money right now and in the near future, so what's the point to stop the war?
You make money, test new stuff, watch russia burn, shame about the civilians, but is not like russians give a fuck about them
Because Russia "winning" literally means Putin not getting bayonetted in the anus ala Qaddafi, and the real battleground is not Bakhmut but Russian TV.
>all those PrepHole post-operators seething ITT
what happened?
They are loosing Artemovsk.
>Artemovsk
The fuck is that?
How they call Bakhmut for some reason
Bakhmut when it was named after one of Stalin's sidekicks.
Why was it renamed? Decomunized or the sidekick got purged?
Decommunized in 2016 by Poroshenko as part of a wider crackdown on communist symbols and names.
>2016
Fuck me. This conflict is a big clusterfuck
Since 1924, it's changed from Bakhmut to Artyomovsk, then to Artemivsk (the Ukrainian spelling), and finally back to Bakhmut. Putin is currently trying to turn it back into Artyomovsk which would be its fifth name in less than a hundred years.
>Taking a city
>Proof of winning the war
I think OP is going to strain his five brain cells trying to figure out this one
>Loosing 10% of your mobiks for a tiny shithole in the middle of nowhere after what now, 8 months?
>After claiming you would take the capital in 3 days
I don't know Ivan, somehow this doesn't feel like a w for me
Russian Special Military Operation was a resounding failure by April.
They failed to take Kyiv and were pushed out of Northern Ukraine
Their elite forces in VDV and 4th GTA were decimated and forced into reconstruction
They lost a naval asset that they probably didn't even consider under threat.
And their counter argument to all this is
>You don't know what Russian plans were because they haven't been officially disclosed, so you can't claim they lost
These same people talk about how you need to only trust your judgement and not listen to the government as they always lie, so why do you expect of them?
kuso thread
Russia has secured the landbridge to the strategically placed Crimea.
Unless Ukraine succeeds in getting it back, Russia has secured its ports in the black sea for centuries.
They have secured the Sea of Azov in the Eastern lake of NATO
>Russia has secured its ports in the black sea for centuries.
That would a huge strategic victory if only they controlled the Bosphorus and Dardanelles too. And "secured for centuries" might be a little overconfident given that in the last 200 years, Sevastopol has changed hands six times.
Ukraine has been fighting against Donbas since they rejected the sudden government change in 2014. The general area including Bakhmut, has always been where the concentration of AFU was located in their offensive against the locals of the DPR / LPR. They have been making blood soup very slowly grinding through these areas. It is like they are dealing with the shed covered in wasp paper and getting stung thousands of times, but once the shed is gone, there is more scattered wasp cleanup
>The Russian Army is stung thousands of times but finally gets rid of the Bakhmut shed
>Underneath it is the Kramatorsk-Sloviansk shed.
The fun part is that it's wasp-covered sheds all the way down.
Why do you post this pic? Goreposting is disgusting
>Meanwhile, Zelenski's children, and the children of all other politicians remain safe and sound, just like the politicians themselves.
To be fair that is always the case. Be it US, Russia or Ukraine.
Yes, the drafts in Ukraine and Russia are out of hand and this war has got to end. The goreposting to score a point is disgusting and it rubs me the wrong way
>The goreposting to score a point is disgusting and it rubs me the wrong way
It will end one way or the other, but people have to see what's happening right now, they are being gaslighted to their deaths just for some garden gnome to try and safe face
>Hey, cool it with the anti semetic remarks
Kek, posts like these always make the cum/chug/ger shut the fuck up
I'm glad I left 4chan after Christchurch.
And Putin is a murdering dictator "Defending" "his" country by sending other people to die invading a neighboring country, while he sits hundreds of kilometers away from the frontline in his underground bunker, doing bullshit photoshoots and interview videos for ignorant vatniks.
At least Zelensky shares some of the risks by going to shelled frontline cities like Zaporizhia, Lysychansk, Kherson and Bahkmut.
>yes zelensgarden gnome is doing something bad b-but putler
shut the fuck up gay
Shut the fuck up usefull idiot and go live in a single party paradise, see how your contrarianism works out.
Are you this much of a tedious cunt irl ?
A wonder you haven't been stabbed yet if so but hopefully someone will get to it eventually.
>evil garden gnome
This post is anti-Russian.
daily reminder that ukraine didn't start this war, russia did.
reminder also that pacifism, when faced with such genocidal aggression, is basically siding with the aggressors, with fascists.
about the only thing worse than dumb kids that assume this hippie posture are those that do so falsely as they shill for the other side...
Tough talk behind the keyboard, why didn't you join the volunteers when Ukraine was accepting them? Come fight over here if you like war so much you lying sissified pussy boy
That's what I thought gay, shut the fuck up
How long until Ukraine runs out of men to throw into the meatgrinder? I can't see any scenario where Russia just backs off and gives up on Ukraine at this point, so how many more need to die before Ukraine surrenders?
>How long until Ukraine runs out of men to throw into the meatgrinder?
Russia will have run out before Ukraine does
Nobody is cowering. US is sending weapons, Ukraine’s winning, and everything is going according to plan.
Nah all of you gays are cowering, there were plenty of volunteers from foreign nations that helped us and you are not them stfu.
>Ukraine’s winning
We're about to win bakhmut too
sorry, but where's the cope ? calling you a dumb fucking cunt isn't cope, is just a statement of fact.
understand you're a little emotional here but try to post less dogshit or fuck off elsewhere thx.
stfu pussy boy
No you dipshit, Yakunovich was impeached by the parliament because of how poorly he handled the protests, he then fled to Russia with tail behind his legs while his party's reputation tanked
And Putin could have secured Ukraine's loyalty for the next couple of decades by gving them Yanukovich and the staging some false flag riots for the FSB to put down.
If Ukraine and Russia are fighting a war of attrition then Russia has more to attrit. Ukraine's job is to convince a Western power to go to war for them before it gets to that point though.
Or we could just keep giving them artillery with twice the range as Russia's, and then watch orcs die pitifully until there are none left.
How much do we even have on hand now to give? Even with Russia having shitty industry, I'd expect that'd be able to keep pace with our charity munitions.
>Ukraine could learn something from Russia
Is how to lose a war to a vastly weaker opponent really something people want to learn though?
>"Defending" "his" country by sending other people to die, while he sits hundreds of kilometers away from the frontline
Exactly. Zelensky's a fucking pussy. Btw, here's a picture of Vladimir Putin leading the 155th Separate Naval Infantry Brigade in person near Vuhledar. It was taken right after he judo chopped four Azov Nazis to death. The battle has been costly, but Colonel Putin's men would follow him into Hell because they know he'd never order them to do anything he wouldn't be willing to do himself. The man is a textbook example of a "Follow Me" infantry officer--- simple as.
maybe try reddit spacing next time gay, I'm sure it suits your style of writing.
calm down Ivan
>everybody I don't like is a russian
holy PrepHoleope batman
More like
>everybody that supports Russia is a moron bitch
Sorry just not going to support either. Hope Ukraine gets glassed so you Blackids can go back.
>my fellow white conservatives, I hate both sides but don't you think that Ukraine should be glassed?
Neutrality is always benefitting the aggressor so by being neutral you're in fact pro-Russia
Russia has reverted to WW1 tactics. Armor has effectively been solved, so now the game is to create a giant meatgrinder and exhaust all eligible fighting age males and force NATO to turn Ukraine into a full volkssturm scenario, at which point the russian army just walks into kiev and plants a flag
Daily reminder that the Russian people started this war by revolting against the Committee on the State of Emergency who were trying to prevent unconstitutional dissolution of the USSR.
Daily reminder that the Bolshevik Party started this war by overthrowing the democratically elected Russian Republic and killing those who resisted.
Daily reminder that the pro-democracy Russian republicans started this war by overthrowing the divinely-appointed Tsar of All the Russias and violating the rights of the aristocracy
Daily reminder that the Romanovs started this war by usurping Władysław IV Vasa and overthrowing the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth garrison in Moscow.
Daily reminder that Tsar Feodor I started this war by dying without an heir and thus causing the Time of Troubles.
Daily reminder that Ivan the Terrible caused this war by murdering Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich in a rage and causing the realm to fall into misrule when his younger son Feodor I inherited the throne.
>no i'm not going to scour the internet to school you because you were in a coma when these news came out, I'm not here to babysit you or to convince you of anything, i don't give a fuck, you can keep believing ukrainians are slaying russians 7:1
Daily reminder that Batu Khan caused this war by razing Kyiv and leaving a power vacuum in Ruthenia.
You smell like 4chan and curry, anon.
>posting an image macro of dead soldiers and tinder profiles.
What's your point exactly?
War kills soldiers and tinder exists in Ukraine?
>9 year (and counting) offensive
Russia was in Ukraine for 9 years and couldn't even fully control Donbabwe? So this is the Power of the 2nd military in the world?
can you do humanity a favor and neck yourselves gays
Yes but Ukraine isn't winning. Russia has this. They have strong orthodox Christian leaders:
>Yes just look at their 9 year (and counting) offensive to try and retake the donbass from some militias and retarded prisoners using shovels as weapons
>Vatmorons spent 9 years supporting this and still couldn't fully take Donbabwe
Embarassing
cause they're getting involved in europe
Because the city is not what Russia is fighting for
They're fighting for the toilet seats that are IN the city.