If the Germans lack special alloys that the soviets had to make the T-34.

If the Germans lack special alloys that the soviets had to make the T-34.

Why didn't they just make it with what they had, we've got a tank motor that will fit the space from the Panzer 4. Armor from the panther project.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >posts a picture of a well documented proposed alternative Panther concept that's basically a Germanized T-34
    >ignores the reasons it was rejected historically

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Special alloys?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can't be that dense to completely ignore OPs opening sentence.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        they didn't pass on it because of a lack of alloys, anon.
        They passed on it because the drawbacks weren't acceptable and neither was shifting production mid-war.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    German had not enough nickel, the soviet alloys wasn't special they simply had far more nickel than any other coutnry. And in fact early T-34 had brittle armor because it was designed with errors in the properties of its armor.
    >why didn't they just make it with what they had
    They did exactly that, they replaced the normal low alloy steel (with chrome and nickel) with an ersatz steel of chromium-silicon-manganese and a different heat treatment (softer armor).

    The problem with late german armor was that they couldn't heat treat the thick plates quick enough so the quality could be irregular.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they were dumb, they are basically like modern russians trying to get the upper hand with impractical resource-draining wunderwaffes instead of just improving upon an already available chasis.

    To give you an idea of how idiotic they were both allies and soviets had counters to the german big cats but decided it was not worth the logistical effort to make a major switch, instead they mostly stick to their respective tanks and add them improvements, this in turn demolished Germany as they couldn't keep up with the economic strain.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This girl should have bought them a couple more of months.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        uoooooh

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their wunderwaffe bowled over France in a matter of weeks, something not possible in years during ww1. After Russia's performance in ww1 and the winter war, it's quite reasonable that the Nazis expected to do the Soviet union in half a year.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's with the moron tier front cover for the gun mounting to the turret?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm guessing the turret is too small to fit the entire breech and recoil mechanism inside + have empty room behind for recoil and loading. So they just chucked an armoured sleeve on the exposed parts. It was only a provisional design.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They didnt build them because they were a shit tank once German tanks got the long 75mm cannon in 42 onwards

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with a lot of this analysis is that it completely ignores the industrial situation which had a huge bearing on tank design.
    Many will talk about the Panther being too expensive or complicated, but individually in terms of man hours it was actually cheaper to produce than the Panzer IV.

    Germany had produced a much stronger army in peacetime than the other allied powers, but they adapted much less well to the national scale mass production than the other powers.
    The military industrial War machine that they started the war with did not scale well, even if it was elite.

    The Panzer IV absolutely needed replacing, it was a mid 1930s design that was already stretched beyond it's limits in 1942.
    I would argue that it's use until the very end of the war was basically a sunk cost based on all the already existing factories and tooling.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Had Germany fully committed to a total war economy earlier, the Panzer IV would have been gone, and they likely would have had a more sensible medium tank design, but this didn't happen because of the entire strategic gambit that Germany was trying to pull off.

      Germany understood that they would lose an attritional industrial War on two fronts, they knew this since the late 19th century, hence the Schlieffen plan.
      They needed to win a fast knockout war and so these kind of long term industrial investments were put off, since it was understood to be unwinnable anyway.
      This strategy worked pretty well, up until Germany failed to devastate the RAF or cut off Britain from US supply, and once Barbarossa ran out of steam at Moscow and Stalingrad.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The USSR might have had a bunch of nickel, but they wouldn't have been so wienery if they hadn't had their USA designed and built tank factories fielding a USA designed tank.

    I can only imagine what kind of shitbox the soviets would have come up with on their own.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    ok, but now /k/, let's say the nazis go into full tank production in 1940, how do you fuel 30.000 tanks by 1943

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They would have to either secure the Mediterranean and/or successfully take the Caucasus.
      Basically for them to win everything has to go right.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    god, imagine wanting to use the fricking t-34 unironically

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

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