If the Earth were flat, how would modern warfare change?

If the Earth were flat, how would modern warfare change?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If
    Big globe trying to sell more globes. Maps are fine gay.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    War never changes.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't most military flight tech based on a flat earth model anyways?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely not. The curvature of the earth needs to be taken into account when flying long distances and fire munitions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Prove it. Show proof that not taking into account curvature will ruin long distance flying and munitions.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >prove it
          if your middle school math teachers failed to make you understand geometry why do you believe PrepHole will be any better

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is not proof, anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The military admits it whatever that teacher says is irrelevant

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The military admits it
              Your dad's moon landing denier friend who was "in the air force" is not "the military admitting it"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Burden of proof is on you, buddy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shortest distance from the US to Russia is over Greenland.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No they don't they simplify it because they don't need to account for it. The TGF center where they sim train pilots, NASA, the Army when researching liquid payload missiles and ICBMs use models where the earth is flat and doesnt rotate

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The germans had to account for Earth's curvature when bombing France in the 40's.
          >they simplify it peepeepoopoo
          If you're making an aerodinamic model (simulating the airflow of a fast thing) you don't need Earth to rotate, because you're actually curious about the airflow on the surface of the thing. Your image is like saying "when grilling a steak I do not add frosting". When you fly on Earth you account for it because it exists.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you're making an aerodinamic model
            Flying sims use it too

            >when i calculate something i'm going to ignore X
            >therefore X doesn't exist
            there is a reason we still use classical mechanics instead of quantum mechanics for most applications.

            Ok so when is curvature needed in flight? NASA doesnt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No. The inertial navigation systems heavily depend on the spherical nature of our planet. The gyros deflect from their starting position over time, which makes it possible to calculate changes in geographic position with rather high precision.

      Also, the onboard gyros on planes have to be adjusted for drift while flying, especially at long distances.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See

        https://i.imgur.com/8pE0VqQ.jpg

        No they don't they simplify it because they don't need to account for it. The TGF center where they sim train pilots, NASA, the Army when researching liquid payload missiles and ICBMs use models where the earth is flat and doesnt rotate

        >The military admits it
        Your dad's moon landing denier friend who was "in the air force" is not "the military admitting it"

        Read section two
        Why is the military using a flat earth model for precision missle calculations?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >when i calculate something i'm going to ignore X
          >therefore X doesn't exist
          there is a reason we still use classical mechanics instead of quantum mechanics for most applications.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They literally have latitude adjustment controls on aircraft gyros, bro.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      CANT fix stupid

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Surface ships would be suicidal

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about submarines? If they dive deep enough can they get to the other side?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man-made earthquakes combined with nukes/rockets to make hostile country literally go away.
    and we die

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Once red a book about a flat earth scenario, except gravity was fucked and there was an up and down, gravity took you off and down the sides, as if the flat earth was on its side. Basically everyone lived on ridges and outcrops and you could fall down to your death rolling down a slope while sleeping. Civilization was barely possible and war were fought in balloons, nearly always to horrible results on all sides.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds terrifying

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Grand canyon suddenly the most safe place on Earth

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nuclear reactors hooking up to a giant radar that can track and lock on to targets 10000 miles away

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Inverse warfare would be cutting edge-- powerful militaries like the US and China would have massive military drills allowing them to drill through the disc, move underneath the top side, and emerge on whatever country they intended to invade.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would you be able to use suction cups on your soldiers' feet and make them walk on the bottom so they can sneak up on your enemy from behind? Maybe magnets would be good I'm not sure how the bottom of the flat part works

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of course, that's how they live in Australia.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >center of gravity gets super fucky toward the edges

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russia would just put a bunch of explosives on the ice wall and threaten to blow it up if they dont get what they want

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >put a bunch of nukes under the ocean
    >threaten to blow a hole to the bottom and drain the world if anyone fucks with you

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be edge nation
    >put colossal mass drivers on the underside of our land
    >flip the Earth up at an angle
    >all our enemies slide off the edge to their doom

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >be edge person
      >constantly throw shit toward the center fags

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Public executions by throwing people off the edge of the world.

    Seriously, it's the easiest fucking explanation to the flat earthers. You KNOW someone would do it and televise it - or make it 'accidental' like the Ruskies like.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the perfect way to get rid of evidence, too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that gravity isn't uniformly "down" relative to the disc, or at least I've never heard it argued that way. Gravity is pulling to the middle of the disc which means you can't throw shit off the side. You could walk around the edge pretty comfortably.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But that's nonsense, gravity then wouldn't pull you down, unless you were at the north pole, but instead down and north, like picrel if that makes any sense
        Meaning if you were somewhere south of north pole and jumped, you'd get pulled several feet northwise

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Earth IS flat. Don't believe the Globehomo lie.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    read Missile Gap.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that there are people out there that fell for the flat earth meme

    > verification not required

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ICBMs wouldn't work, for one

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the flight trajectory would get completely fucked I imagine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not really it's still launched in an arc the earths curve has little effect on the flight path

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Except for the coriolis effect, which does require corrections in long flights.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why can't planes and missiles navigate assuming the earth is flat? because greenland isn't 3 times the fucking size of australia. same reason you can't use a world map to measure distances without doing a bit of math.

        also, are you one of those people that think that on a spherical earth the pilots would have to constantly push the elevators down to follow the curve of the earth? and if a plane just kept flying "straight" it would shoot off into space?

        planes flying "level" ie. not ascending or descending do so because their lift is in balance with the pull of gravity. lift depends on air density: so planes trimmed out to fly level will follow the density gradient of earths atmosphere - which is curved exactly the same way and for exactly the same reason (gravity) as the surface of the earth. basically assuming the earth is flat is perfectly sensible for most kinds of aerodynamic models.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The flat earth map doesn't look like that kek and it it still would affect it because of the guidance systems they use
          Jet engines aren't strong enough to do that
          >Earth's curvature isn't needed for flight models
          Cool we can agree on something, you're only half way there

          Except for the coriolis effect, which does require corrections in long flights.

          The missles don't anticipate the Coriolis effect they can only react to it which on the flat earth model they would even need to

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The flat earth map doesn't look like that
            okay, post your map. let's take a few measurements and match it to irl data. you can't map the surface of a sphere onto a flat surface without distorting it. you can pick which kinds of distortions you get by using different projections - but you will always have distortions.

            >Jet engines aren't strong enough to do that
            do what?

            >Earth's curvature isn't needed for flight models
            i didn't write that, what i wrote is:
            >basically assuming the earth is flat is perfectly sensible for most kinds of aerodynamic models.
            it is an okay approximation for the aerodynamic part of a simulator (the navigational part can be taken care of by using distorted maps or by warping the surface using number crunching as your simulated plane moves) - just like assuming the earth is a flat disk accelerating upwards constantly is an okay explanation for "why do things fall when i drop them?" there is a whole host of phenomena which can't be modeled by a flat earth.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This is the same map the UN uses
              >>Jet engines aren't strong enough to do that
              Leave earth's orbit
              >It is an okay approximation for the aerodynamic part of a simulator
              The point is they train pilots how to fly on a flat earth model

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is the same map the UN uses
                as a symbolic representation, PROTIP: australia isn't 5 times the size of europe and flying from argentina to australia doesn't take 20 times as long as flying from spain to estonia.
                >Leave earth's orbit
                jet engines can't propel you into orbit (let alone allow you to leave it) because they need air to operate - there are plenty of jet planes that have a TWR of above 1. also: if you agree you can orbit earth then you agree gravity is a thing and therefore the earth is not a disk.
                >The point is they train pilots how to fly on a flat earth model
                and they train soldiers in cqb using blanks. they also train bomber pilots using inert ordnance. so all warfare is fake and armies use blanks to pretend to kill each other?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Symbolic
                Holy kek
                Why don't they use the merc map?

                https://i.imgur.com/YkyIQKw.jpg

                why can't planes and missiles navigate assuming the earth is flat? because greenland isn't 3 times the fucking size of australia. same reason you can't use a world map to measure distances without doing a bit of math.

                also, are you one of those people that think that on a spherical earth the pilots would have to constantly push the elevators down to follow the curve of the earth? and if a plane just kept flying "straight" it would shoot off into space?

                planes flying "level" ie. not ascending or descending do so because their lift is in balance with the pull of gravity. lift depends on air density: so planes trimmed out to fly level will follow the density gradient of earths atmosphere - which is curved exactly the same way and for exactly the same reason (gravity) as the surface of the earth. basically assuming the earth is flat is perfectly sensible for most kinds of aerodynamic models.

                It's been the scientific standard in classrooms for centuries. Why are the worlds leaders using a old not accurate map?
                >jet engines can't propel you into orbit
                Agreed. You cant leave something you have never left. We live in a dome
                >What about
                Wouldnt it important to flight? It's something that you constantly fight against but when you train you can just ignore it

                >Density 🙂
                nope, its electrostatic charge.
                [...]
                >Ok so when is curvature needed in flight?
                every time you want to know how far away two points are:
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haversine_formula
                kinda important if you want to navigate an airplane or missile.

                >nope
                How does a balloon fly off the ground?
                >Navigation
                Not a issue when it's flat, it is for you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it’s symbolic??

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Symbolic of what? It's not looking so good

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You've almost completed broken down into non-sequiturs and "no you!" rebuttals. Clearly Germany is just a giant rectangle divided into red, black and gold areas - otherwise why would they use that as their flag.
                >Not a issue when it's flat, it is for you
                Any yet precise long distance navigation under the assumption that the earth is a sphere works while navigating under the assumption it's a flat plane doesn't. Curious. Not only have you never done any math above 5th grade level but you've clearly never navigated using anything but GPS - which is quite ironic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only person having a mental breakdown is you, if its so easy you would be able to stop throwing strawmans and be able to answer directly.
                Germany's coat of arms has been a black eagle since forever. It is so easy to search up WHY they chose the imperial eagle and WHY they chose those colors on the flag just like you should be able to tell me WHY the world's most powerful leaders picked that symbol but somehow you can't explain to me why this specific symbol other than it's> just a symbol bro
                >Any yet precise long distance navigation under the assumption that the earth is a sphere works
                Except when it comes to piloting, missles and rockets because you can just ignore that

                https://i.imgur.com/gJIhyQI.jpg

                They literally have latitude adjustment controls on aircraft gyros, bro.

                That follows a altimeter

                >Why are the worlds leaders using a old not accurate map?
                They are not using it for actual navigation dumbass. It's a projection that has an advantage of every point being the correct center from the North pole. But as a result, longitudinal coordinates and measurements are wildly inaccurate. Go on, use the azimuth projection to calculate the distance between australia and south africa.

                That still doesn't explain why they chose that specific one instead

                https://i.imgur.com/gEsEXSg.jpg

                Shortest distance from the US to Russia is over Greenland.

                That's your map

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why are the worlds leaders using a old not accurate map?
                They are not using it for actual navigation dumbass. It's a projection that has an advantage of every point being the correct center from the North pole. But as a result, longitudinal coordinates and measurements are wildly inaccurate. Go on, use the azimuth projection to calculate the distance between australia and south africa.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How would anyone have sailed these utterly nuts distances during the age of sail? Even by plane it’s stupidly long

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also
              >why do things fall when i drop them?
              Density 🙂

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Density 🙂
                nope, its electrostatic charge.

                >If you're making an aerodinamic model
                Flying sims use it too
                [...]
                Ok so when is curvature needed in flight? NASA doesnt

                >Ok so when is curvature needed in flight?
                every time you want to know how far away two points are:
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haversine_formula
                kinda important if you want to navigate an airplane or missile.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >people are actually feeling the need to explain why the earth isn't flat
    American culture is their worst export

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Missile trajectories would be calculated differently, specially ICBMs.

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