I think Novorossiya was just some soviet bullshit from the days of the Russian civil war. It's literally a fake country, while Ukraine actually have centuries worth of history.
>Ukraine actually have centuries worth of history.
More than a millennia and a half. Ukraine predates Christianity. Russia is a fake "country" invented after Islam was manufactured by a pedophile.
>Russia is a fake "country" invented after Islam was manufactured by a pedophile.
wot?
Russia had, ehh... let me count... three inventions?
First one was the duchy of muscovy. It is a common mistake, heavily insisted on by russians, that muscovy was a successor to Kyivan Rus', but Rus' actually had an direct successor officially called Kingdom of Ruthenia (Regnum Ruthenorum by Pope of Rome himself iirc) or what, also insisted on by russians, also called Hallych-Volhynia Kingdom. Muscovy instead was actually created out of mongolian tax collector state and therfore politically and later geopolitically inherited to the horde, not the Rus' principalities and in fact, when they annexed other Rus' state they claim an inheritance on, The Novgorod Republic, their political systems turned out to be so incompatible, that in best mongolian traditions Novgorod ended up completely massacred, genocided and razed to the ground, so they can't even claim inheritance on that one either. In fact what was Muscovy representing by itself is a kind of gunpowder empire very simillar to the Timurids, mongolian successor with only goal to conquer everybody around. But the same way as Timurids did, Muscovy was unstable and relatively quickly fell into succession crisis and died.
But unlike Timurids, Muscovy ended up reinvented. Peter managed to catch the wave and recycle Muscovy from the asiatic horde statelet into the mymic of a european empires of the time, Russia. That one, Russian empire I mean, in attempts to pose as a european state, started to dig up any connections to the europe they hade and largely subvert or make them up, that's when ukraine and its territories come in to place, as Russian Empire, as a mockery on a european state, considers the only territories of their possesions that truly inherited european traditions, that is Ukraine, to be the crucial part of their spectacle.
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Well, as time come, in true european empire fasion Russian Empire didn't survive ww1. It just ceased to exist the same way Austro-Hungary did. And same way Austro-Hungary shttered into Austria, Hungary etc. , Russian Empire shattered into Russia, Ukraine etc. But here where it comes tricky, because I have no idea how to explain the complete bullshitery that soviets induced on these cursed lands. You see, unlike, for example, Ukraine, which was formed on a national basis, or Austria that did the same, or Hungary, or dozen other states, Russia instead just became castrated version of Russian Empire instead, because as you might remember, it wasn't build on the same ethnic basis as european states did, Russia was build on a horde successor basis, which means it didn't even had ethnic base, just a lously connected by the common absence of other politias in their past, lands. And such a broken chimera would just dissolve again naturally, if not for the soviets came. They, by virtue of pure violence and moronic leftist logic, artificially held on life supporr Russian Empire status of new Russia and kept it from death for some more.
But as soviets were gone and life support was turned off, Russia was once again met with reality of it beign just a castrated empire, a community of people united not by common goal, but by common absence of it. So naturally understanding it deep down, and not wishing to fall once more either, Russia clinged on its past imperial entity and tried to restore it once more. But that entity is sure overlived its time as it is, there's no way anymore its coming back.
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Novorossiya was a region (roughly the southernmost oblasts of Ukraine between Moldova and the Russian border) that the Russians conquered from Muslims in the 1700s. They called it Novorossiya and offered it up for settlement.
According to Russians, it was mostly Russian-speakers who moved in, and that's why there are a lot of Russian-speakers there today. Their argument is that it's culturally Russian and Ukraine has no right to it beyond shitty Soviet borders giving it to them, just like Crimea.
Ukraine's argument is that mostly Ukrainians moved in because they lived much closer to it than Russians did, and that today the countryside is overwhelmingly Ukrainian-speaking, while the cities only speak Russian due to migration and efforts from the late Empire and Soviet times.
Who is right? Probably the Ukrainians. There has never been anywhere near the level of support there for Russia that there is in Donbas, and FSB efforts to encourage separatism never even managed to get off of the ground, except in Odessa, where a group of pro-Russians attempting to take over got cornered by a much larger group of counter-protesters and subsequently burned alive.
Also the Russians now keep insisting that Kharkov and Dnipro were part of Novorossiya even though they never were, which is just more proof that it's revanchist moronation.
Using Russian logic, Crimea should be given to UK as it was an ancient English colony. Furthermore, Donbass should also be given to UK as it was founded by a Welshman.
>Crimea should be given to UK as it was an ancient English colony
Incredibly based. But it should be Russian for now, until the Anglos manage to kick out their Paki occupiers.
It all belongs to the Emperor of Rome. it was under the limes.
And since the Persian in the Shahnameh (the book of kings) retroactively call Alexander the Great a Rûm (Roman), also everything that Alexander conquered counts.
And no, not Rome as Russia. A LARPing golden Horde with an undeserved double-headed eagle on the banner doesn't count.
russia? rome?
I respect, like and enjoy true schizos who know what they're talking about, they are usually very smart and well read, their theories are always based on interpretations of real facts and those interpretations are always interesting and creative, and from time to time it seems they are on to something.
Now people like you on the other hand who just make a word salad based on the few wiki articles they skimmed over in their pathetic book averse life to larp as what they think a smart schizo is for whatever the hell reason are truly the worst and deepest of cancers in society as a whole but most importantly in the community of men who honestly strive to nurture mantain and enrich human knowledge and history
>According to Russians, it was mostly Russian-speakers who moved in, and that's why there are a lot of Russian-speakers there today.
Btw not only that is a complete bullshit, but "ukrainian speaking" territories of russia were actually considered to go much deeper east in what "russia proper" is known today.
They are rusophone (and even still not fully, people from these regions still considered to have heavy accent) nowadays just because of cultural assimilation efforts of ussr that would put romans to shame.
He did that *everywhere* anon. It's thanks to old Uncle Joe that every country in Eastern Europe has a sizeable population of ethnic Russians that have been causing trouble for over half a century now.
> But Serhiy said he saw someone "on the third floor throw a Molotov wienertail through the closed window. However, the glass didn't break and a fire started inside".
lol
You're forgetting the Cossacks who inhabited the place, who are a national symbol for them and seen as proto-Ukrainians of sorts.
The area which was called Novorossiya was upon the time of its conquest largely depopulated of any groups barring nomadic and semi-nomadic peoples like the Cossacks as well as the Tatars of the Crimean Khanate. After Russia conquered the area, they settled it with basically whoever wanted to move to the area. Given that this was the time in history when most of Russia's population were poor peasant farmers and/or serfs, most of these were ethnic Ruthenians/Ukrainians from the lands of modern northern and central Ukraine, as well as Russians from the Don-Volga region. Notably you had some other groups invited to settle in the area, including a not-insignificant number of Germans (similar case as with the Volga Germans), Romanians, and even a few colonies of Serbs.
Crimea proper is a similar case, except when it was conquered by Russia it actually had a sizable population of Tatars due to its status as the core heartland of the Crimean Khanate.
>except in Odessa, where a group of pro-Russians attempting to take over got cornered by a much larger group of counter-protesters and subsequently burned alive.
Since it's always gets forgotten to mention:
Video related is vatniks throwing molotows from the roof of the building on the people below.
You've got it wrong. Crimea is annexed, and everything from Odessa to Donbass is Novorossiya (which could be annexed eventually, but for the moment is a buffer state). There could be another buffer state to the northeast, but overall Russia doesn't care about the western half of Ukraine. Only the gas regions and black sea coast are relevant. That's also where ethnic russians live.
Are you saying NO RUSSIANS live there whatsoever? Because that's absurd. Russians were moved in there, just like they were moved into places all over the USSR. This is like denying there are Russians in Prussia right now. The issue is whether or not they actually belong there, because the reason why they're there is for these sorts of annexation shenanigans.
No, I´m not saying that. Russians live in every fricking contry, so what? As I see it, the guy (you?) meant that in that area the majority of the population are russians, which is not true. Anyway, ask any russian: "where is the real russia in the russian federation?" In return you will hear fax noises probably.
Well you're projecting bullshit. Because I never said anything other than Russia's own reasons for why they are there, and what their intentions are geographically when it comes to annexation or puppet states. There are Russians there, that's good enough for Russia, end of story. Just sit back and enjoy the orcs dying.
>That's also where ethnic russians live.
That's a very easy problem to fix, one that should have been fixed 30 years ago. The Russian cancer has long been needed to be burned out of all of Europe. It's a shame it wasn't done by the coward homosexuals who made this fricking mess, but it can sure be implemented today.
Myanmar did nothing wrong when they purged squatters from their country. Strong lesson learned that the rest of the world should take a much harder look at.
Russia's final objectives for Ukraine are about as relevant as my final objectives with Margot Robbie (which are her chained permanently naked in my basement with her tubes tied)
I think they're really just after the purple section. At this point they'd probably accept it being annexed or as "independent" satellite states that give them a buffer zone between them and NATO.
I thought that they will maximum try to cap around 100/50km by the north border and also Odessa in order to destroy Ukrainian Industry sectors on north and block sea transport.
might have been right unless you will look up how much are those resources worth, I think around April RU reached the point where war was already more expensive than all of that resources.
So RU could have destroyed UKR industry and put UKR behind with quality of life due to economic crisis yet they choose to go full moron with destruction of their almost entire professional army meanwhile they could only with artillery fire from their borders make better results.
At this point I thought they were at least fighting for their honour yet they lost it as well on that field, "independent" republics were depopulated, economic loses are fricking huge and literary frick knows what they are doing now. My best guess is that Putin wants to remove army from existence to stop potential coup.
So Ukraine is capable energy independence, calorie independence 100x over, has (had) access to warm water ports, was starting to integrate into the EU, was moving towards a healthy democracy by cracking down on corruption and removing the Kremlin's puppets from government.
Yeah, I don't have any more patience for the "NATO is the reason Russia invaded!" argument.
I've always enjoyed all of these schizo maps that imply various other European nation would jump at any opportunity to seize Ukrainian land all under a masterful Rubian plan of divide and conquer. The Russians are literally incapable of understanding the vast majority of Europeans don't operate with the same mafia prison mentality as they do.
That NSDAP flag was already a dead giveaway of single digit IQ, but I lost it at >russia will pour billions into their new acquired territory
Yanukovych was in charge from 2010 to 2014 and Ukraine didn't gave any impression of prospering let alone flourishing country.
>Yanukovych was in charge from 2010 to 2014 and Ukraine didn't gave any impression of prospering let alone flourishing country.
That was a weird time. By all possible metrics Ukraine back then was richest it ever been, but by personal feelings life before the war (even considering covid and 8 years of low scale conflict) was better than ever. Mb it's just me, mb it's indeed what less corruption and russia does to mf.
How do non-russians even come up with these delusions? Most of these homosexuals have never set a foot into russia. It's pure corruption and proper civilization basically doesnt exist beyond three or four cities. How are they going to make their larp country prosper, if they cant even build proper settlements at home?
It gets worse, he lives in Ukraine (Kharkiv)
Went silent for a week and everyone thought he was killed by Ukrainian security forces. He was questioned and released when they realized he wasn't working with Russia and is just a moron.
The Russians only care for one thing, and that's wiener.
They were on the cusp of beating Prussia in the Seven Years War when the Tsar took over and ended it favorably for the Prussians. All because he lusted for the wiener of Frederick the Great
I seem to remember ol' Strelkov ranting about that a few months ago. Something about how NATO and the EU offer this idea of wealth and prosperity while the Donbass has basically gone to shit since the separatists took over, so no wonder the Ukrainians aren't as eager to jump into bed with Russia as the FSB believed.
Basically he called the Russian leadership out for sneering at the Western concept of "soft power" when that is precisely what is currently fricking them. Smart guy. Pray to god he never sets up shop in the Kremlin.
>Russia is by any means wealthy.
Because Russia is a White Christian Nation that fights against homosexuality and promotes traditional Christian ideas and doesn't have homosexuals in the military that makes it weak.
The object is a Special Military Operation to de-nazify Ukraine. What they want that to entail changes with how the war is going. Can't take Kyiv, we didn't want Kyiv, can't take Odessa, we didn't want Odessa, can't hold Donbass, it was always about inflicting casualties on Nazi's not holding land, can't hold Crimea... total fricking meltdown and screaming about the "west".
Every country has Nazi wannabes. You could go into a Cartel gang war in Mexico and one of the cholos would have a shrine to Hitler right beside the one to Jesús Malverde.
>Guys, I think this guy is just fricking moronic
as is any slave neonazi. Slavs were literally an inferior race to the nazis. This happens a lot, there's a ton of Hispanic nazis in latin america. Im sure there's actual nig nazis somewhere too
its amazing how easy it is for global Black person communists to mindfrick low IQ wignats. the billions of dollars poured into ukraine is for regime change in russia to acquire mineral resource rights, secure contracts for western firms. same as in almost every former european colony during the cold war. they failed to do this to russia in the 1990s and its a great thorn in their sides.
Depends. Nobody really knows what Russia wanted to do at the beggining and what its goal is now.
Most probable was a Ukraine without Donbass and MAYBE Novorossiya led by Medvedchuk or Yanukovych.
Then some officials started talking that Ukrainians themelve were nazis, so we might have seen a full annexation as some sort of Malorossiyan Republic or something.
No, if needed western allies can provide them. Ukraine will either be russia's b***h or the west's b***h(much more likely), the idea that they might have some sort of autonomy or relevance themselves as a nation can only be achieved via a complete ignorance of all facts combined with an intense desire to be manipulated by blatant propaganda
There's a happier alternate timeline where Ukraine kept its nukes and used them all on Russia when Poots invaded because he believed his generals when they said they didn't work.
I think they're really just after the purple section. At this point they'd probably accept it being annexed or as "independent" satellite states that give them a buffer zone between them and NATO.
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The area which was called Novorossiya was upon the time of its conquest largely depopulated of any groups barring nomadic and semi-nomadic peoples like the Cossacks as well as the Tatars of the Crimean Khanate. After Russia conquered the area, they settled it with basically whoever wanted to move to the area. Given that this was the time in history when most of Russia's population were poor peasant farmers and/or serfs, most of these were ethnic Ruthenians/Ukrainians from the lands of modern northern and central Ukraine, as well as Russians from the Don-Volga region. Notably you had some other groups invited to settle in the area, including a not-insignificant number of Germans (similar case as with the Volga Germans), Romanians, and even a few colonies of Serbs.
Crimea proper is a similar case, except when it was conquered by Russia it actually had a sizable population of Tatars due to its status as the core heartland of the Crimean Khanate.
What they *want* is their old 1941 borders. Which means all of Ukraine and the Baltics, the eastern third of Poland (up to Warsaw), and a chunk of eastern Romania. That's their final objective. Obviously, that's not going to happen at this point; even if they can bribe or blackmail Biden into not sending the USAF to wipe out their supply columns, and the same with Germany to get them to block supply shipments, the remaining NATO members have enough airpower (and in some cases, F-35s) to more than suffice. A few smartbombs on key bridges and railyards, and Russia's conventional forces would crumble. And, if they start throwing nukes around, there's no telling what might happen.
I just get so mad when russians try to erase ukrainian history, language and identity. Just like they tried with my country once. God i hate Russia so much. Russia must be destroyed god willing.
They haven't announced it yet.
Their objective is not to get fricking destroyed at this point. They're failing miserably.
What is Novoryssia even. Like, based on what ideology or history?
I think Novorossiya was just some soviet bullshit from the days of the Russian civil war. It's literally a fake country, while Ukraine actually have centuries worth of history.
>Ukraine actually have centuries worth of history.
More than a millennia and a half. Ukraine predates Christianity. Russia is a fake "country" invented after Islam was manufactured by a pedophile.
>Russia is a fake "country" invented after Islam was manufactured by a pedophile.
wot?
Russia had, ehh... let me count... three inventions?
First one was the duchy of muscovy. It is a common mistake, heavily insisted on by russians, that muscovy was a successor to Kyivan Rus', but Rus' actually had an direct successor officially called Kingdom of Ruthenia (Regnum Ruthenorum by Pope of Rome himself iirc) or what, also insisted on by russians, also called Hallych-Volhynia Kingdom. Muscovy instead was actually created out of mongolian tax collector state and therfore politically and later geopolitically inherited to the horde, not the Rus' principalities and in fact, when they annexed other Rus' state they claim an inheritance on, The Novgorod Republic, their political systems turned out to be so incompatible, that in best mongolian traditions Novgorod ended up completely massacred, genocided and razed to the ground, so they can't even claim inheritance on that one either. In fact what was Muscovy representing by itself is a kind of gunpowder empire very simillar to the Timurids, mongolian successor with only goal to conquer everybody around. But the same way as Timurids did, Muscovy was unstable and relatively quickly fell into succession crisis and died.
But unlike Timurids, Muscovy ended up reinvented. Peter managed to catch the wave and recycle Muscovy from the asiatic horde statelet into the mymic of a european empires of the time, Russia. That one, Russian empire I mean, in attempts to pose as a european state, started to dig up any connections to the europe they hade and largely subvert or make them up, that's when ukraine and its territories come in to place, as Russian Empire, as a mockery on a european state, considers the only territories of their possesions that truly inherited european traditions, that is Ukraine, to be the crucial part of their spectacle.
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Well, as time come, in true european empire fasion Russian Empire didn't survive ww1. It just ceased to exist the same way Austro-Hungary did. And same way Austro-Hungary shttered into Austria, Hungary etc. , Russian Empire shattered into Russia, Ukraine etc. But here where it comes tricky, because I have no idea how to explain the complete bullshitery that soviets induced on these cursed lands. You see, unlike, for example, Ukraine, which was formed on a national basis, or Austria that did the same, or Hungary, or dozen other states, Russia instead just became castrated version of Russian Empire instead, because as you might remember, it wasn't build on the same ethnic basis as european states did, Russia was build on a horde successor basis, which means it didn't even had ethnic base, just a lously connected by the common absence of other politias in their past, lands. And such a broken chimera would just dissolve again naturally, if not for the soviets came. They, by virtue of pure violence and moronic leftist logic, artificially held on life supporr Russian Empire status of new Russia and kept it from death for some more.
But as soviets were gone and life support was turned off, Russia was once again met with reality of it beign just a castrated empire, a community of people united not by common goal, but by common absence of it. So naturally understanding it deep down, and not wishing to fall once more either, Russia clinged on its past imperial entity and tried to restore it once more. But that entity is sure overlived its time as it is, there's no way anymore its coming back.
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Novorossiya was a region (roughly the southernmost oblasts of Ukraine between Moldova and the Russian border) that the Russians conquered from Muslims in the 1700s. They called it Novorossiya and offered it up for settlement.
According to Russians, it was mostly Russian-speakers who moved in, and that's why there are a lot of Russian-speakers there today. Their argument is that it's culturally Russian and Ukraine has no right to it beyond shitty Soviet borders giving it to them, just like Crimea.
Ukraine's argument is that mostly Ukrainians moved in because they lived much closer to it than Russians did, and that today the countryside is overwhelmingly Ukrainian-speaking, while the cities only speak Russian due to migration and efforts from the late Empire and Soviet times.
Who is right? Probably the Ukrainians. There has never been anywhere near the level of support there for Russia that there is in Donbas, and FSB efforts to encourage separatism never even managed to get off of the ground, except in Odessa, where a group of pro-Russians attempting to take over got cornered by a much larger group of counter-protesters and subsequently burned alive.
Also the Russians now keep insisting that Kharkov and Dnipro were part of Novorossiya even though they never were, which is just more proof that it's revanchist moronation.
You're forgetting the Cossacks who inhabited the place, who are a national symbol for them and seen as proto-Ukrainians of sorts.
Using Russian logic, Crimea should be given to UK as it was an ancient English colony. Furthermore, Donbass should also be given to UK as it was founded by a Welshman.
>Crimea should be given to UK as it was an ancient English colony
Incredibly based. But it should be Russian for now, until the Anglos manage to kick out their Paki occupiers.
>You will never see Donbass as a second Y Wladfa
Why even live Cymraeg-bros?
It all belongs to the Emperor of Rome. it was under the limes.
And since the Persian in the Shahnameh (the book of kings) retroactively call Alexander the Great a Rûm (Roman), also everything that Alexander conquered counts.
And no, not Rome as Russia. A LARPing golden Horde with an undeserved double-headed eagle on the banner doesn't count.
Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?
russia? rome?
I respect, like and enjoy true schizos who know what they're talking about, they are usually very smart and well read, their theories are always based on interpretations of real facts and those interpretations are always interesting and creative, and from time to time it seems they are on to something.
Now people like you on the other hand who just make a word salad based on the few wiki articles they skimmed over in their pathetic book averse life to larp as what they think a smart schizo is for whatever the hell reason are truly the worst and deepest of cancers in society as a whole but most importantly in the community of men who honestly strive to nurture mantain and enrich human knowledge and history
vvvvvvgh from the urals to the north sea to the sinai the sun will (never) set on the welsh empire
Ph’nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
^mae hynny'n iawn
>According to Russians, it was mostly Russian-speakers who moved in, and that's why there are a lot of Russian-speakers there today.
Btw not only that is a complete bullshit, but "ukrainian speaking" territories of russia were actually considered to go much deeper east in what "russia proper" is known today.
They are rusophone (and even still not fully, people from these regions still considered to have heavy accent) nowadays just because of cultural assimilation efforts of ussr that would put romans to shame.
Didn't Stalin deport Ukrainians from the area and settle it with ethnic Russians?
ofc he did, and not only deport but killed through famine
He did that *everywhere* anon. It's thanks to old Uncle Joe that every country in Eastern Europe has a sizeable population of ethnic Russians that have been causing trouble for over half a century now.
>where a group of pro-Russians attempting to take over got cornered by a much larger group of counter-protesters and subsequently burned alive.
Wait what
yeah
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27275383
> But Serhiy said he saw someone "on the third floor throw a Molotov wienertail through the closed window. However, the glass didn't break and a fire started inside".
lol
The area which was called Novorossiya was upon the time of its conquest largely depopulated of any groups barring nomadic and semi-nomadic peoples like the Cossacks as well as the Tatars of the Crimean Khanate. After Russia conquered the area, they settled it with basically whoever wanted to move to the area. Given that this was the time in history when most of Russia's population were poor peasant farmers and/or serfs, most of these were ethnic Ruthenians/Ukrainians from the lands of modern northern and central Ukraine, as well as Russians from the Don-Volga region. Notably you had some other groups invited to settle in the area, including a not-insignificant number of Germans (similar case as with the Volga Germans), Romanians, and even a few colonies of Serbs.
Crimea proper is a similar case, except when it was conquered by Russia it actually had a sizable population of Tatars due to its status as the core heartland of the Crimean Khanate.
>except in Odessa, where a group of pro-Russians attempting to take over got cornered by a much larger group of counter-protesters and subsequently burned alive.
Since it's always gets forgotten to mention:
Video related is vatniks throwing molotows from the roof of the building on the people below.
Play stupid games, win stupid prices.
You've got it wrong. Crimea is annexed, and everything from Odessa to Donbass is Novorossiya (which could be annexed eventually, but for the moment is a buffer state). There could be another buffer state to the northeast, but overall Russia doesn't care about the western half of Ukraine. Only the gas regions and black sea coast are relevant. That's also where ethnic russians live.
>That's also where ethnic russians live.
proof or shut the frick up homosexual. and I know you have none, so shut the frick up
Are you saying NO RUSSIANS live there whatsoever? Because that's absurd. Russians were moved in there, just like they were moved into places all over the USSR. This is like denying there are Russians in Prussia right now. The issue is whether or not they actually belong there, because the reason why they're there is for these sorts of annexation shenanigans.
No, I´m not saying that. Russians live in every fricking contry, so what? As I see it, the guy (you?) meant that in that area the majority of the population are russians, which is not true. Anyway, ask any russian: "where is the real russia in the russian federation?" In return you will hear fax noises probably.
Well you're projecting bullshit. Because I never said anything other than Russia's own reasons for why they are there, and what their intentions are geographically when it comes to annexation or puppet states. There are Russians there, that's good enough for Russia, end of story. Just sit back and enjoy the orcs dying.
k, misunderstood you, apologies
>That's also where ethnic russians live.
That's a very easy problem to fix, one that should have been fixed 30 years ago. The Russian cancer has long been needed to be burned out of all of Europe. It's a shame it wasn't done by the coward homosexuals who made this fricking mess, but it can sure be implemented today.
Myanmar did nothing wrong when they purged squatters from their country. Strong lesson learned that the rest of the world should take a much harder look at.
>Russia’s final objective for Ukraine
>image related
They'll be lucky if they get to keep Crimea.
add troonynistria, that was one of their goals
>No picture of Banana
1/10
Russia's final objectives for Ukraine are about as relevant as my final objectives with Margot Robbie (which are her chained permanently naked in my basement with her tubes tied)
>with her tubes tied
ngmi
When will the Mongols also retake their ancient lands?
“Russia’s” final objective is keeping Putin from putting two bullets in the back of his own head.
I think they're really just after the purple section. At this point they'd probably accept it being annexed or as "independent" satellite states that give them a buffer zone between them and NATO.
I thought that they will maximum try to cap around 100/50km by the north border and also Odessa in order to destroy Ukrainian Industry sectors on north and block sea transport.
might have been right unless you will look up how much are those resources worth, I think around April RU reached the point where war was already more expensive than all of that resources.
So RU could have destroyed UKR industry and put UKR behind with quality of life due to economic crisis yet they choose to go full moron with destruction of their almost entire professional army meanwhile they could only with artillery fire from their borders make better results.
At this point I thought they were at least fighting for their honour yet they lost it as well on that field, "independent" republics were depopulated, economic loses are fricking huge and literary frick knows what they are doing now. My best guess is that Putin wants to remove army from existence to stop potential coup.
So Ukraine is capable energy independence, calorie independence 100x over, has (had) access to warm water ports, was starting to integrate into the EU, was moving towards a healthy democracy by cracking down on corruption and removing the Kremlin's puppets from government.
Yeah, I don't have any more patience for the "NATO is the reason Russia invaded!" argument.
>we want to dissect the ukraine so everybody does
russian mind on krokodil
I've always enjoyed all of these schizo maps that imply various other European nation would jump at any opportunity to seize Ukrainian land all under a masterful Rubian plan of divide and conquer. The Russians are literally incapable of understanding the vast majority of Europeans don't operate with the same mafia prison mentality as they do.
I thought Donbabwe and Luganga were supposed to be Novorossya
The initial objective, in February, was for the entire map to be red. The situation has changed drastically since then
That NSDAP flag was already a dead giveaway of single digit IQ, but I lost it at
>russia will pour billions into their new acquired territory
Yanukovych was in charge from 2010 to 2014 and Ukraine didn't gave any impression of prospering let alone flourishing country.
>Yanukovych was in charge from 2010 to 2014 and Ukraine didn't gave any impression of prospering let alone flourishing country.
That was a weird time. By all possible metrics Ukraine back then was richest it ever been, but by personal feelings life before the war (even considering covid and 8 years of low scale conflict) was better than ever. Mb it's just me, mb it's indeed what less corruption and russia does to mf.
How do non-russians even come up with these delusions? Most of these homosexuals have never set a foot into russia. It's pure corruption and proper civilization basically doesnt exist beyond three or four cities. How are they going to make their larp country prosper, if they cant even build proper settlements at home?
It gets worse, he lives in Ukraine (Kharkiv)
Went silent for a week and everyone thought he was killed by Ukrainian security forces. He was questioned and released when they realized he wasn't working with Russia and is just a moron.
The Russian penisbrain phenomenon is worse than I anticipated
The Russians only care for one thing, and that's wiener.
They were on the cusp of beating Prussia in the Seven Years War when the Tsar took over and ended it favorably for the Prussians. All because he lusted for the wiener of Frederick the Great
Vatnik's Law
Russia doesn't even pour billions into Russia. I know Ukraine is poor as dirt but why do these people think that Russia is by any means wealthy.
I seem to remember ol' Strelkov ranting about that a few months ago. Something about how NATO and the EU offer this idea of wealth and prosperity while the Donbass has basically gone to shit since the separatists took over, so no wonder the Ukrainians aren't as eager to jump into bed with Russia as the FSB believed.
Basically he called the Russian leadership out for sneering at the Western concept of "soft power" when that is precisely what is currently fricking them. Smart guy. Pray to god he never sets up shop in the Kremlin.
>Russia is by any means wealthy.
Because Russia is a White Christian Nation that fights against homosexuality and promotes traditional Christian ideas and doesn't have homosexuals in the military that makes it weak.
And they are still less moronic than Putin's shills.
The object is a Special Military Operation to de-nazify Ukraine. What they want that to entail changes with how the war is going. Can't take Kyiv, we didn't want Kyiv, can't take Odessa, we didn't want Odessa, can't hold Donbass, it was always about inflicting casualties on Nazi's not holding land, can't hold Crimea... total fricking meltdown and screaming about the "west".
In short,
Nothing has brought me closer to loving Nazism than seeing Vanitk tanks getting launched into the stratosphere.
Based ukronazis, we're lend-leasing the right side this time
Based
Recruit him for Azov and send him ahead of the frontlines.
>Reichsadler
>Anarchy symbol
Guys, I think this guy is just fricking moronic
It's still quite moronic but when I was younger there were groups that defined themselves "right wing anarchists" in europe.
Every country has Nazi wannabes. You could go into a Cartel gang war in Mexico and one of the cholos would have a shrine to Hitler right beside the one to Jesús Malverde.
>Guys, I think this guy is just fricking moronic
as is any slave neonazi. Slavs were literally an inferior race to the nazis. This happens a lot, there's a ton of Hispanic nazis in latin america. Im sure there's actual nig nazis somewhere too
Picture taken in Novokuznetsk, Russia.
So I was right to cheer for Russia all along?
Dr Monke? I'm Azov.
>tfw the dating guru business is going poorly so you pivot to shilling for russia professionally
i just realized the Ukranian flag is a fieeld of grain and a blue sky
> "hey Oleksiy, draw us up a flag that represents our newly declared country Ukraine."
Oleksiy, being an autist: looks out window, literally draws what he sees looking at Ukraine.
I mean, it's a memorable flag, and is representative of the nation.
bro....
this might blow you away, but the flag of canada is actually a leaf
>is actually a leaf
It' pronounced "a fricking leaf" you cultural swine.
THEY PUT A LEAF ON THEIR FLAG
A FRICKING LEAF
If you think that's crazy check out Estonia's flag
very cool!
you wouldn't believe me when i tell you about their wartime flag
This is what Russia wants to destroy.
White people?
That's for sure, just read Dugin.
two meth junkies and their moronic kid?
its amazing how easy it is for global Black person communists to mindfrick low IQ wignats. the billions of dollars poured into ukraine is for regime change in russia to acquire mineral resource rights, secure contracts for western firms. same as in almost every former european colony during the cold war. they failed to do this to russia in the 1990s and its a great thorn in their sides.
He got arrested, interviewed, and released when they realized he was just a moron and not a spy.
what if the war is really all smoke and mirrors. The Ukrainians are working with the Russians in order to get their hands on western tech?
From which third world country are you from, anon?
USA
That's forth world. You should respawn
>fourth world
I see your third-world education is really paying off
would like all that rightful clay returned in the west though
Depends. Nobody really knows what Russia wanted to do at the beggining and what its goal is now.
Most probable was a Ukraine without Donbass and MAYBE Novorossiya led by Medvedchuk or Yanukovych.
Then some officials started talking that Ukrainians themelve were nazis, so we might have seen a full annexation as some sort of Malorossiyan Republic or something.
NATO SHIT: West's security guarantees for Ukraine presented to the World. Dangerous list! Russia must respond.
NATO just released the fricking start genocide war.
>NATO just released the fricking start genocide war.
you're like a step away from word salad ESL.
Savage. Brotherhood status: eternally revoked
Aah yes, the India-Pakistan relationship, but in Europe. What could possibly go wrong?
Ukraine needs to acquire nukes.
>Ukraine needs to acquire nukes.
yes
No, if needed western allies can provide them. Ukraine will either be russia's b***h or the west's b***h(much more likely), the idea that they might have some sort of autonomy or relevance themselves as a nation can only be achieved via a complete ignorance of all facts combined with an intense desire to be manipulated by blatant propaganda
There's a happier alternate timeline where Ukraine kept its nukes and used them all on Russia when Poots invaded because he believed his generals when they said they didn't work.
>alright MIC, time to do your thing!
Coach Redpill really survived the Ukranian SBU and went right back to shilling for Russia.
>Ukraine Republic shared between EU, US, and the Nazi's
kek
Even Putin himself doesn't know what the final goal is, he hasn't decided what his cope is going to be
Bold words for a homie
>BUT IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES-
Honestly everyone would be better off for it.
>Honestly everyone would be better off for it.
weather would actually get very cold with a huge cold ocean so far south
still fricking worth it
Objective: Survive
What they *want* is their old 1941 borders. Which means all of Ukraine and the Baltics, the eastern third of Poland (up to Warsaw), and a chunk of eastern Romania. That's their final objective. Obviously, that's not going to happen at this point; even if they can bribe or blackmail Biden into not sending the USAF to wipe out their supply columns, and the same with Germany to get them to block supply shipments, the remaining NATO members have enough airpower (and in some cases, F-35s) to more than suffice. A few smartbombs on key bridges and railyards, and Russia's conventional forces would crumble. And, if they start throwing nukes around, there's no telling what might happen.
''Novorrosiya'' is the purple region, not the red one.
>Top right corner.
Vvgh... What could have been
I just get so mad when russians try to erase ukrainian history, language and identity. Just like they tried with my country once. God i hate Russia so much. Russia must be destroyed god willing.