AR-10s >everything is really modular and simple and works together easily >except that in reality its a complete clusterfrick, nothing interfaces correctly because there is no real standardization and you have to sink an inordinate amount of time into it if you don't buy something off-the-shelf
Then it would be the AK, unfrickable but very little standardization.
You ARgays are spoiled because the 15 is mostly standardized parts. There's 2 different patterns of AR10 and you shit the bed trying to figure out how to build one? Just check the pattern specifics or order the parts from the same company. Nobody running any other platform builds their rifles, and honestly even building ARs is a moronic process. You don't see AUG guys or G3 guys buying kits. Just buy complete like everyone else. I couldn't imagine putting an AK together being a moron and not knowing Polish parts won't interface with Serbian parts.
>building ARs is a moronic process
I say this because you have to deal with loading rice grain sized retention pins for your retention pins under spring tension high enough to pop your eyeball if you frick up and don't slide the metal over it in time. You're also hammering pins into soft aluminum and applying heavy torque to soft aluminum when you install the barrel. I was careful and still marred my receiver with the hammering, and bent the upper applying enough gorilla force to properly torque the barrel on. This shif was nothing like legos, let the people with factory equipment handle it.
Also a lot of people build bolt actions which are even more of a nonstandardized nightmare.
Yes because it's made of steel. The aluminum is too soft to work with, other than springs shooting shit out at me the main issued were marring and bending of the aluminum receivers. I wasn't doing anything crazy with it just following the build directions. These things are structurally weak af.
>bending the lower during a detent install
Fricking christ
1 year ago
Anonymous
The lower can handle being made of aluminum up to the part that the stock is attached to. It's easy to scratch or marr when installing the pin that holds on the bolt release. You have to hammer such a tiny pin in at am extremely awkward angle, you're bound to hit the receiver, or press it in with pliers that will undoubtedly scratch the receiver when they make contact with it.
The upper absolutely needs to be stronger. The strip right underneath the ejection port is extremely thin and prone to bending when the barrel is being torqued on. This is a known weak point for the AR, BCM even made a new gen upper with that area specifically reinforced. If your upper bends there's no room for compensation, your BCG will bind up and your gun is dead. I had to bend mine back which was also surprisingly easy to do due to the weak metal, but it'll never be true again.
>no one else builds their guns
maybe that’s why the ar15 and ar10 are the undisputed king of the hill, because everyone can get exactly what they want with very little effort instead of hoping some company releases a gun in exactly the configuration they’d like
Yeah if you're going to be a consoomer minmaxing parts based on their advertising campaigns. Just buy something forged and assembled in one factory and under one warranty.
I know that you think you know frick all about guns but guess what moron?
Even with the two patterns that are used, the DPMS one that has a majority of the market cornered there is no guarantee that parts from two different manufacturers are compatible.
The AR-15 are amazing because of that. You can almost make a gun where each part comes from a different manufacturer and it still works from the first try. It's the Windows of guns.
This is so wrong. Since it's not "mil-spec" different companies have slightly different things that don't universally work together. AR10 building 101.
Are you talking about Linux as in the “Linux desktop”? Or Linux as in what all the machines that make your web browsing machine worth using run? If the latter Id say the Linux of firearms is the M2
I'm referring to the former, the consumer "Linux desktop" experience, characterized by needing lots of research to "do it right" and customize things to their full potential.
scars are the apple of firearms >does the exact same thing as competition >costs way more for no difference >uses proprietary parts or accessories just to get every last shekel >all criticism met with "poor"
I get why people make these comparison but Glocks are probably the one of the most widely modified handguns. They are stupid easy to modify and work on. Apple is not. Glock is a like a PC in that regard because you can replace everything including the frame of the gun with minimal technical knowledge.
Sig Sauer is Apple hardware >overpriced but modern and updated >clean aesthetics >gayest fans in the game >when they don't QA something it's your fault you fricking moron
Glock is PC hardware >affordable >can be found everywhere >shit just works >you can modify it a ton but it mostly doesn't matter and you probably won't break anything anyway >if you get into it too much you're basically a funkopops guy
1911 kits/AR10s are Linux machines >fats with beards love it >strong opinions and bad hygiene >autists thrive in this environment >you can only work on them if you are surrounded by filth >you are just complicating things because everything else in your life is off the rails and seemingly out of your control so you cling to micromanaging your hobbies into a lifestyle
3d printed handguns are like TempleOS >based >free >government hates them and wants them gone >compiling their own fricking databases >best users >CIA fears them
Definitely CZs, especially with the popularity of parts like Cajunworks parts. Parts that would be considered mandatory for some things like the guide rod on a CZ75.
HK is like the Motorola of guns. Motorola famously were the last to stop letting users remove/easily replace phone batteries and didn't engage in planned obsolescence with hardware & software as much as other companies. But they went full moron and do it now. That's like HK staying true to using high quality components and more reliable hammer fire designs, but then caving to consoomer pressures and releasing the VP9 piece of crap.
I wanna know who the cat phone of guns currently is. Like what is actually not designed to break these days? CZ75?
I unfortunately do not own any other Stars. May I offer you a Beretta in these trying times?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Thank you, for posting that!
Brings back good memories, of shooting with my father!
He was enamored with Spanish steel frames (Star/Astra).
I grew up shooting his 28M. It had one of the best triggers i have ever used.
Good Times!
I really miss him!
Thank you, again!
If you go on Polymer80's site, they have a whole list of retailers that make P80 holsters. I recently got one from Black Rhino Concealment and it's decent.
>Linux, free and open source >FOSSCAD, free and open source
They match each perfectly, completely customizable and superior in the hands of an expert, but if you frick up one code or layer line, the whole thing's gonna shrapnel.
>what is the Linux of firearms?
The Israelites Ramon > they jam, throw splinters, made of plastic, you have to """fix""" them yourself etc... pic related
Sig is the Apple of guns > Overly styled > Expensive as frick > Models discontinued immediately > Everything "revolutionary" is just copied from other gun makers > Problems are downplayed or denied (P320) > Expensive and proprietary magazines, parts > Stupid fricking website with 300MB of JavaScript animations and low information density
If you don't believe, next time you're at the range notice how all the siggers have iPhones. Glock people usually have androids unless they're Black folk and 1911 fans usually have the jitterbug
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>gun for the various versions of Windows?
Maye the evolution of S&W 9mm semi-auto pistols?
3.11 - 1st gen (model 39 9mm pistol)
NT4 - 2nd gen (439)
95 / 98 / XP - 3rd gen there were a brazillion variants of essentially the same thing (3913)
Win8 - SW9F (the Sigma)
10 - not sure yet, but a pistol with a really short self life, immediately replaced
11 - not sure yet
Linux is any form of P80/80%/3D printed guns. The smallest amount of technical skill required means not many people actually use them. Their main purpose for existence is to protect the freedom of the users (no background check or registration). Most are hideous abominations of random parts assembled or crudley made on a drill press.
CZ-75 or BHP >bunch of moronic versions that are all slightly different but are incompatible >favored by hipsters >works well when used as intended >breaks itself when any user modification is done to it
Any 1911 kit that needs to go through a few stones just to get the slide and frame to fit.
so if i shoot you in the testicles my gun will magically fit itself to the slide?
frick off magical wingnut moron
AR-10s
>everything is really modular and simple and works together easily
>except that in reality its a complete clusterfrick, nothing interfaces correctly because there is no real standardization and you have to sink an inordinate amount of time into it if you don't buy something off-the-shelf
This. When it works you love it, but you can spend days trying to diagnose issues
gib me a ar15/10 with sudanese furniture
Winrar
Then it would be the AK, unfrickable but very little standardization.
You ARgays are spoiled because the 15 is mostly standardized parts. There's 2 different patterns of AR10 and you shit the bed trying to figure out how to build one? Just check the pattern specifics or order the parts from the same company. Nobody running any other platform builds their rifles, and honestly even building ARs is a moronic process. You don't see AUG guys or G3 guys buying kits. Just buy complete like everyone else. I couldn't imagine putting an AK together being a moron and not knowing Polish parts won't interface with Serbian parts.
>building ARs is a moronic process
I say this because you have to deal with loading rice grain sized retention pins for your retention pins under spring tension high enough to pop your eyeball if you frick up and don't slide the metal over it in time. You're also hammering pins into soft aluminum and applying heavy torque to soft aluminum when you install the barrel. I was careful and still marred my receiver with the hammering, and bent the upper applying enough gorilla force to properly torque the barrel on. This shif was nothing like legos, let the people with factory equipment handle it.
Also a lot of people build bolt actions which are even more of a nonstandardized nightmare.
yeah but with bolt actions all you're doing is building a way to hold the damn thing
>he fricked up an AR build
You should probably stick with AKs, they were designed for people like you.
Yes because it's made of steel. The aluminum is too soft to work with, other than springs shooting shit out at me the main issued were marring and bending of the aluminum receivers. I wasn't doing anything crazy with it just following the build directions. These things are structurally weak af.
>bending the lower during a detent install
Fricking christ
The lower can handle being made of aluminum up to the part that the stock is attached to. It's easy to scratch or marr when installing the pin that holds on the bolt release. You have to hammer such a tiny pin in at am extremely awkward angle, you're bound to hit the receiver, or press it in with pliers that will undoubtedly scratch the receiver when they make contact with it.
The upper absolutely needs to be stronger. The strip right underneath the ejection port is extremely thin and prone to bending when the barrel is being torqued on. This is a known weak point for the AR, BCM even made a new gen upper with that area specifically reinforced. If your upper bends there's no room for compensation, your BCG will bind up and your gun is dead. I had to bend mine back which was also surprisingly easy to do due to the weak metal, but it'll never be true again.
>no one else builds their guns
maybe that’s why the ar15 and ar10 are the undisputed king of the hill, because everyone can get exactly what they want with very little effort instead of hoping some company releases a gun in exactly the configuration they’d like
Yeah if you're going to be a consoomer minmaxing parts based on their advertising campaigns. Just buy something forged and assembled in one factory and under one warranty.
I know that you think you know frick all about guns but guess what moron?
Even with the two patterns that are used, the DPMS one that has a majority of the market cornered there is no guarantee that parts from two different manufacturers are compatible.
You’re an idiot.
The AR-15 are amazing because of that. You can almost make a gun where each part comes from a different manufacturer and it still works from the first try. It's the Windows of guns.
None if it matters except the barrel and whether or not you want a standard or ambi receiver.
This is so wrong. Since it's not "mil-spec" different companies have slightly different things that don't universally work together. AR10 building 101.
Colt SAA
Colt SAA is C+
Linux is a 1911
Are you talking about Linux as in the “Linux desktop”? Or Linux as in what all the machines that make your web browsing machine worth using run? If the latter Id say the Linux of firearms is the M2
I'm referring to the former, the consumer "Linux desktop" experience, characterized by needing lots of research to "do it right" and customize things to their full potential.
>FOSSCAD
apple doesnt have shitty ergonomics they refuse to fix fo 30 years
still doesnt make you click 3 inches low if you naturally point it
scars are the apple of firearms
>does the exact same thing as competition
>costs way more for no difference
>uses proprietary parts or accessories just to get every last shekel
>all criticism met with "poor"
I get why people make these comparison but Glocks are probably the one of the most widely modified handguns. They are stupid easy to modify and work on. Apple is not. Glock is a like a PC in that regard because you can replace everything including the frame of the gun with minimal technical knowledge.
Sig Sauer is Apple hardware
>overpriced but modern and updated
>clean aesthetics
>gayest fans in the game
>when they don't QA something it's your fault you fricking moron
Glock is PC hardware
>affordable
>can be found everywhere
>shit just works
>you can modify it a ton but it mostly doesn't matter and you probably won't break anything anyway
>if you get into it too much you're basically a funkopops guy
1911 kits/AR10s are Linux machines
>fats with beards love it
>strong opinions and bad hygiene
>autists thrive in this environment
>you can only work on them if you are surrounded by filth
>you are just complicating things because everything else in your life is off the rails and seemingly out of your control so you cling to micromanaging your hobbies into a lifestyle
3d printed handguns are like TempleOS
>based
>free
>government hates them and wants them gone
>compiling their own fricking databases
>best users
>CIA fears them
Why do I feel personally attacked.
I can't think of any gun more hipster beard than a CZ (metal framed).
As a european, this CZ = hipster meme is so weird to me. CZs are more common than Glocks where I live.
Definitely CZs, especially with the popularity of parts like Cajunworks parts. Parts that would be considered mandatory for some things like the guide rod on a CZ75.
Wasn't HK always Apple?
HK is like the Motorola of guns. Motorola famously were the last to stop letting users remove/easily replace phone batteries and didn't engage in planned obsolescence with hardware & software as much as other companies. But they went full moron and do it now. That's like HK staying true to using high quality components and more reliable hammer fire designs, but then caving to consoomer pressures and releasing the VP9 piece of crap.
I wanna know who the cat phone of guns currently is. Like what is actually not designed to break these days? CZ75?
I know what the old indestructible Nokia brick phone of guns is.
>Like what is actually not designed to break these days? CZ75?
You mean the gun that breaks from dry firing? No I don't think so.
not an issue, gun works fine
*trigger return spring breaks*
I guess you can still throw the gun at the guy.
not an issue
I did not know this, are there any relatively standard steel frame guns that don't suck?
Ruger revolvers
It's a non-issue, CZs are fine
CZ-75B
Old = gold
New = poo
Boomer
This better?
post the megastar next please
I unfortunately do not own any other Stars. May I offer you a Beretta in these trying times?
Thank you, for posting that!
Brings back good memories, of shooting with my father!
He was enamored with Spanish steel frames (Star/Astra).
I grew up shooting his 28M. It had one of the best triggers i have ever used.
Good Times!
I really miss him!
Thank you, again!
These are the Texas Instruments calculators of guns, while black powder pistols are the abacus of guns.
jericho 941
I think we're getting away from OPs point/the theme of the thread, but when you say the CAT of guns I think of the M2 .50 cal
Arex
irl linux sysadmin and I sold all of my other polymer handguns for exclusively Polymer80's
It's the closest I can get to FOSHW without 3D printing
Why yes, I do use Arch Linux
have you tried Nix
>exclusively Polymer80
What holsters do you use?
That dumb ass triggerguard is problematic.
If you go on Polymer80's site, they have a whole list of retailers that make P80 holsters. I recently got one from Black Rhino Concealment and it's decent.
>Linux, free and open source
>FOSSCAD, free and open source
They match each perfectly, completely customizable and superior in the hands of an expert, but if you frick up one code or layer line, the whole thing's gonna shrapnel.
What's the Microsoft Windows of the firearm world?
>compares it to an apple computer instead of a Cadillac
Zoomed nerd
Hi-Point = pocket sand
>Linux
>snowflake-y, buggy, and doesn't have any 3rd party support
There is only one answer, CZ.
Hi power
Gucci 2011s
>what is the Linux of firearms?
The Israelites Ramon > they jam, throw splinters, made of plastic, you have to """fix""" them yourself etc... pic related
>t. couldn't grasp why word didn't just install on noobuntu and became personally offended reading wine instructions
lmao
gang
Sig is the Apple of guns
> Overly styled
> Expensive as frick
> Models discontinued immediately
> Everything "revolutionary" is just copied from other gun makers
> Problems are downplayed or denied (P320)
> Expensive and proprietary magazines, parts
> Stupid fricking website with 300MB of JavaScript animations and low information density
If you don't believe, next time you're at the range notice how all the siggers have iPhones. Glock people usually have androids unless they're Black folk and 1911 fans usually have the jitterbug
now to find the Linux of guns we just have to find someone at the range with a Pinephone and see what he's shooting
Just here to say Linux is for losers and massive nerds who run on contrarianism. Yes Im talking about desktop Linux, shut the frick up
>linux of guns
Shoddy 3d printed plastic guns.
You have it backwards, the Glock design is open source whereas the 1911 is an Apple computer that cannot be replicated.
Something something apples to oranges.
Glocks aren't overpriced enough to be the apple of guns.
Hipoint
OP here, after much persuasion I regret giving glocks the label of "Apple," I think it is indeed more like Windows.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
t. Gahnoo/Loonix user for twelve years
Also it uses a dead cartridge like 9mm Browning Long or 8x22 Nambu with half-moon clips. But somehow it has sub-MOA accuracy for a pistol.
So what's the gun for the various versions of Windows?
>3.11
>NT4
>95/98/XP
>7
>10/11
>gun for the various versions of Windows?
Maye the evolution of S&W 9mm semi-auto pistols?
3.11 - 1st gen (model 39 9mm pistol)
NT4 - 2nd gen (439)
95 / 98 / XP - 3rd gen there were a brazillion variants of essentially the same thing (3913)
Win8 - SW9F (the Sigma)
10 - not sure yet, but a pistol with a really short self life, immediately replaced
11 - not sure yet
Linux is any form of P80/80%/3D printed guns. The smallest amount of technical skill required means not many people actually use them. Their main purpose for existence is to protect the freedom of the users (no background check or registration). Most are hideous abominations of random parts assembled or crudley made on a drill press.
>Glocks are the Apple computer of the firearms world
They aren't.
>it just works
That is not what being the Apple of X means.
CZ-75 or BHP
>bunch of moronic versions that are all slightly different but are incompatible
>favored by hipsters
>works well when used as intended
>breaks itself when any user modification is done to it
>What is the Linux of Firearms