if full artifical metal bodies become a thing will we see small elite units of soldiers rushing across the battlefield to wreck havoc upon the enemy like in gits
if full artifical metal bodies become a thing will we see small elite units of soldiers rushing across the battlefield to wreck havoc upon the enemy l...
Why do you diet visionaries always assume that the enemy will not have the same equipment?
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Well OP said they're made of metal.
>Why do you diet visionaries always assume that the enemy will not have the same equipment?
Just look at Ukraine
Probably this. Advance Warfare depicted the US military and US PMCs like Atlus all have exosuits
Meanwhile the North Koreans and KVA did not.
You'll probably get the same asystematical warfare against first and third world/terrorist cell combatants
>Meanwhile the North Koreans and KVA did not.
The Crysis Documentary showed that BEST KOREA obtained such technology also and was intending to sell it to eastern-bloc allies.
i for one cant wait for the chance to sell all of my natural organs to buy a robot body
id wait until a later generation though
>robot body gets hacked from a distance
>you now lost control of your body
>more nerd fantasies
A simple AK would wreck such an overly expensive suit. The future is boring and bland.
if you believe everything is going to suck why dont you kys?
>full metal suits become a thing
>combat doesn't change at all
There's no metal, alloy, magic bandai-namco composite strong enough to justify a retarded tactic.
Gundam-like things are a mistake
No because I will rape all the sexy cyborg women.
No. The time it takes to make those bodies will be time to make counter measures. Nobody is gonna sit around while you make super soldiers
Probably not retard-sprinting across the battlefield, no. But there'd be plenty use cases for augmentation otherwise. Being stronger, faster, more stamina, smarter, better vision or integrated ir/nv/whateverthefuck would all be useful for a specialized force... though it depends on the cost. You'd also need to worry about enemy countermeasures and peer ability depending on who you're fighting, like what if they put up a really big electromagnet?
not enough benefit for cost. When your 50 billion dollar Gen 1 Techpriest gets blown up with 1970s AGM or artillery strike, its kind of like losing a carrier group to a single torpedo boat.
everything costs much at first. Your type was claiming the automobile will never be nothing more then a luxury gimmick for the ultra rich a century ago. The upsides to augs is too great for it to languish in niches. Not just military but increased life expectancy as well when you can easily replaced failing organs/limbs. Turning the brain into the only part that has a set life expectancy
they mostly do covert counter-terrorist/counter-espionage shit in GITS though, and when they do go head to head with the enemy it's usually portrayed as superior information and unit cohesion that gets them through, Motoko and the lads get fucked up pretty often and are pretty vulnerable despite the augments, going against the navy in Stand Alone Complex showcases this pretty well
they actually augment the brains too in GITS, up to 90% or more in extreme cases, it's got some pretty cool existential dilemmas below the weeb coating
>they actually augment the brains too in GITS, up to 90% or more in extreme cases
That's basically just Motoko, most people have a few enhancements. People in-universe think her level of modification is bordering on insane.
Duh, humans! You have a human brain!
>People in-universe think her level of modification is bordering on insane
Well it wasn't her choice, her backstory is multiple-choice these days but usually she's some sort of orphan survivor who was put into a prototype mech body as a small child and has never really known a human body.
>they mostly do covert counter-terrorist/counter-espionage shit in GITS though
tbf that's because in GITS the military uses just straight up robot tanks and as the first movie showed, Motoko tore apart her own arms just getting the opening hatch off of one.
>its kind of like losing a carrier group to a single torpedo boat.
>it's kind of like cheating in wargames then being such a bitch that the army won't destroy its multi million dollar war games for your cheating that your career ends
He was right to demonstrate what he perceived as flaws in the wargame as it was designed. And the Navy was right to reset the game after he made his point. He was only in the wrong when he had a tantrum about the games not being scrapped. And before you say "light speed communications with radio jamming" or "missiles can't be safely fishing boats" semaphore is still a thing and the boats don't need to survive the launch. The USS Cole got a big hole blown in its side less than 2 years prior to MC2002 proving irl that suicide attacks can get through and do serious damage.
>He was right to demonstrate what he perceived as flaws in the wargame as it was designed
Considering the wargame was a communication exercise for officers no it was not.
semaphore communications aren't light speed on top of requiring visual contact between allies, and his jamming-defeating lightspeed comms were bicycle messengers crossing several miles instantaneously
Anti-ship missiles can't be safely fired on fishing boats because they can't be safely carried onboard fishing boats without capsizing the fucker due to weight
Van Riper was a fucking turd who got bitched up his last wargame denied him use of ballistic missiles because the controller assumed(probably correctly) that any ballistic missiles OPFOR would have had would be strategically identified and targeted before the onset of the conflict, and zero hour would entail first strikes against those assets to prevent use, and decided to take out this frustration by bullshitting and ruining this wargame. Any flaws he perceived should have been noted while they were going over the script, which both BLUFOR and OPFOR would have been present for. Instead he used the script to change his tactics as OPFOR specifically to counter the BLUFOR script, and used a bunch of bullshit justifications basically amounting to "nuh uh i have a shield" as to why he could circumvent things like communications jamming, strategic targeting of command hierarchies, and capabilities to engage fleets which massively outgun him. A suicide vessel is realistic, sure, but every piece of shit patrol boat carrying serious AShMs onboard is complete horseshit and everyone knew it. Additionally, in an engagement like that wargame, every suicide vessel would be turned to swiss cheese when they violated standoff ranges that naval vessels keep specifically for this purpose, which the USS Cole ignored because they felt there wasn't a significant threat in the area.
Cybernetic replacements for failing organs=/=full cybernetic tactical commando units. The former exists now, the latter is 50 to 100 years away at best, and will be reserved for entities that can afford it, with no budget limits.
>50 to 100 years away at best
>Source: My crack pipe
We can do that shit now it's just not required/feasible. The MIC will talk all they want about advancements in troop survivability and the human cost but when it gets down to brass tacks this is all about making money. And like it or not a human life has a monetary value that's calculated (albeit behind closed doors) against material resources and corporate IP. When it becomes cost effective to start augmenting humans then the companies capable will do so. Currently a Joe (even a big dick Delta commando) is more replaceable than an augmented superman. I think we'll move more towards cybernetic integration of information/data systems before we start seeing guys with metal limbs able to crush steel. We're already moving in that direction. However, depending on security factors (and wars), how stuff develops and bleeds into the civilian market is too malleable to make a good estimate. I'd say things will start trickling down by 2030 unless things heat up on the conventional side IE: superpowers start trading blows or some third world (Russia) decides to kick the wrong people in the dick.
I retract my dig, because rereading what you said sounds more put together than I initially thought. Only your timeline is off. My apologies.
I had to simplify that second reply because I hit the post limit, but going into it more;
The big thing standing in the way is that most artificial organs transplanted will begin to be rejected by the body's immune system as a foreign entity. This is also the case with transplanted organs from a donor, as the body will still recognize them as a foreign invader and reject it even at the cost of losing important vital functions. Circumventing this is extremely hard and so far has not been possible in the long term, which requires multiple successive highly invasive and technical surgeries to replace these parts out. To stop it requires developing a treatment that suppresses these specific attacks on those organs, but doesn't shut down the entire immune system in the process. The other alternative is to develop implants that the body recognizes as its own, but that also comes with a lot of complications.
These are not the forefront developments right now of the medical science community because in the first world, people who lose limbs are pretty rare. The big ticket items being targeted now are the obvious ones, such as cancer, diabetes, alzheimer's, and other diseases that people are expected to get. 1 in 3 men will get cancer in their lifetime, but between 2.8 per 100,000(finger amputees), and 3.8 people per 100,000(upper limb amputees) will require prosthetics of that caliber. Artificial organs exist today, but they generally use laboratory-grown tissue instead of entirely mechanical designs like people think. This video by Duke University details one such design they implanted a few years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAI22Y6ksjo
These are the reasons I said full-on cybercommandos are 50-100 years out, because the technologies(that we know of) to allow this do not exist yet and are not actively being researched by major industries outside of a few relatively small labs.
There would never be more than maybe 100 people on the planet like that just due to costs, industrial capabilities, maintenance requirements, and specialization. They also wouldn't be used for conventional battles but instead would do SOF missions as lone operators, and 99.99% of people would never know they exist.
>small elite units
So you just outmaneuver them and/or bait them into chasing false objectives
not really different to what happens now on a infantry tactics level. Its easy upping kinetic impact damage to destroy the artificial bodies
What it would do though is dramatically increase the veterancy factor of wartime military units. Simply as losing a limb would be a minor hassle insted of a life changing event that it is now
If you also can replace primary sensors like eyes for example you could get secondary benefits like in build thermals and night vision for increased situational awareness. Gold send to more specialized units without the need on relying heavy machinery
So if I put my brain in a robot body, and there's a war, Robots vs Humans, which side am I on?
Shut up.
they would still use modern day tactics
fire and maneuver, just much faster and with more room for error
even if you were resistant to 14.5mm tungsten rounds, could run as fast as a gazelle, and could carry an M240 like a rifle
you would still mostly use as much concealment as possible, move while the enemy is being suppressed by another element, and mostly focus on outmaneuvering the enemy by moving into better positions
no one is going to be running headlong into the enemy with double pistols regardless of how strong or fast you become because its generally a good idea not to fall victim to the peltzmann effect
>power armor lets people ignore 5.56 rounds
>but it also lets people carry 30mm cannons, which go right through the power armor
so it will end up being exactly the same except less comfy
The true posthuman soldier isn't a runs fast, jumps high can tank a few more bullets cyborg, it'd be a networked controller of a whole army of semi-autonomous drones, more like playing a RTS in the field.
And no, killing the controller doesn't stop the army like in retarded Star Wars or Marvel movies, Peter Watts made the point that the controller is more like a limiter, once they're dead the AI is off the fucking leash
>dies to many boolet
>if full artifical metal bodies become a thing will we see small elite units of soldiers rushing across the battlefield to wreck havoc upon the enemy like in gits
Because by then AI sentry guns will exist that can visually identify friends from foe by uniform/weaponry/intent and those elite soldiers would get shredded by accurate, long-range APFSDS when they couldn't even reliably pick the sentry guns out from all the other electro-mechanical junk that litters the urban landscape.
i dont think it makes sense in terms of the order of things
there would be no point in putting biological humans inside those bodies, autonomous robots will be mature way before seamless full artificial bodies for people are.
Battlefields? No.
In full scale wars cost-efficiency is king. Being able to produce vast quantities of low-cost units will still be key. So just throwing basic bitch infantry to the artillery and machine gun fire will dominate the battlefields. Cybernetics gets too costly and require too much maintenance and prep time for that shit. Just send in another batallion of mobiks.
But for highly specific stuff, like strike teams, SWAT-units etc... where you need technical know-how and high-speed-low-drag tacticool shit, yeah. Probably will see more "cyber commandos" in those missions.
You're underestimating the political cost of a war with high infantry casualties. Most countries with the affluence to field cyborg super-soldiers will be democracies. Cybernetics that increase survivability and force-multiplication mean fewer (but more effective) units, but at the same time greater popular will on the home-front to continue a war.
>soldiers rushing across the battlefield to wreck havoc upon the enemy like in gits
that never happens in gits
Be animay-style kewl supersoldier metal cyborg...
Get repaired constantly and can never retire due to old age or just feel like it as the system will want all their parts back, so if you voluntarily discharge you leave as a brain-in-a-jar with no valuable parts attached, so you're stuck until you're injured beyonf repair.
Have to rely on VA to supply military-contract spare parts.
Be lowest priority for spare parts after all operational units and even holdings of operational repair parts.
Operational units are short of parts, VA experts assess you dont 'need' 2 arms so they can take one back for re-issue, then they bolt on some cheap wheels so you don't 'need' those fancy legs.
>why animay cyborg wankshit never works in real life
>Get repaired constantly and can never retire due to old age or just feel like it as the system will want all their parts back
That happens in GitS, or at least they talk about how they can't retire because they wouldn't be able to afford the maintenance.
>it's not that big a leap to just keep replacing natural stuff
I think few people would willingly swap their flesh for mech.
Though cyberpunk 2077 talks a bit about how workers do it to keep their jobs and then get shafted with corporate plans that repossess the parts when they're laid off and subtract maintenance costs from their salaries and shit.
I doubt that we will feel anime-style full-body cyborg bodies like GITS for the reasons other anons have already described. What I can definitely see happening would be mechanical augmentations (like Deus Ex Human Revolution).
Once you can wire stuff to the brain such that the brain acts like that thing has always been there and you can control it with thoughts like you would a natural limb, it's not that big a leap to just keep replacing natural stuff until you are more machine than meat.
Limiting factor in Deus Ex:HR and MD was nuropozine; an immunosuppressive drug that keeps your body from rejecting your augs. Jensen was a unique case because he didn't actually need it but nurop dependency was a big deal in the first game.
I wonder if we'll ever develop the tech to replace your brain and just keep your neurons.