If Britain were to send their gurkhas over to Bakhmut what would happen realistically?
If Britain were to send their gurkhas over to Bakhmut what would happen realistically?
If Britain were to send their gurkhas over to Bakhmut what would happen realistically?
Depends, if they are being sent VDV style you will get tons of dead gurkhas, if you send them like NATO usually sends their SpecOps well, tons of mobiks.
>Gurkhas
>Specops
Gurkhas are an elite shock troop. They're special operations, sweaty. Unless you think rangers (who are the designated water bearers for SFOD-D) aren't special operations either, gurkhas are 100% spec ops.
Wrong
Only one Gurkha battalion is trained for the Para (air assault) role, and that's not spec ops in the British understanding of the term
The other Gurkha battalions are light infantry
Rangers are first and foremost the most intensely trained light infantry in the US army. Air assault is not an integral component of special operations. Are American SF not special operations on account of having nothing to do with air assault?
Also, psyops is technically special operations. Are we talking about gay semantic technicalities and nomenclature or are we discussing the combat efficacy of certain units relative to one another?
I don't know what you're trying to say frankly.
In the British Army, it is 1st Battalion Paras who do the general spec ops work. Roughly, the equivalents are as follows:
>Delta / Green Berets = SAS
>75th Rangers = 1st Bn, Paras
>82nd / 101st Div = Paras / 1st Gurkhas
>10th Mountain / 25th Infantry = other Gurkhas
None of those units are even roughly equivalent to one another, with the POSSIBLE exception of SFOD-D and the SAS.
Are you going to explain further, or are you just going to leave it at that?
I'll take it piecemeal. "Green berets" (referenced from now on as special forces or SF) are firstly not a common pipeline for SFOD-D. While they both have "SF" in the nomenclature, delta is much more of a direct action group. They work closely with the rangers and, because of how close this relationship tends to be in such a small world, most recruitment comes from within the ranger batts. It's the most common pipeline.
As far as I know, there is no direct analog for SF's mission statement, which deals primarily with the muster, training, and subsequent leading of indigenous militias, in the British army.
Lastly, because I'm losing steam, there's very little difference in training standards between the USMC and the airborne/AA divisions of the army. "Beneath" that, all other infantry divisions are of roughly commensurate quality.
I'm willing to defer to your opinion on this and walk my statements back.
>As far as I know, there is no direct analog for SF's mission statement, which deals primarily with the muster, training, and subsequent leading of indigenous militias, in the British army.
It's been done in an ad-hoc manner by SF & experienced NCOs for years. The new UK Ranger regiment fulfills the same mission as the Green Berets - training indigenous militias. But isn't expected to act far behind enemy lines and it's selection process is much more about finding very capable NCOs with great social skills. There is no arduous physical element to the selection.
And 2 PARA shit on Gurkhas
So what? They're not elite, get better standards
UK organises it's forces differently. All paras rotate into the SFSG for 2 years - which fulfills the same role as the rangers. It means all NCOs and many privates have experience and training to perform on the same level as rangers.
This. 'sf' or 'spec ops' do not mean the same thing in different nations. The UK uses these terms much more sparingly. Look at quality and roles, not words.
All paras rotate into SFSG with no further testing (as do some RM). RM is also about the same level as rangers but it not a special forces unit.
Delta/DEVGRU: SAS/SBS
ISA: SRR
Rangers: Para/RM
No they aren't. They are a light infantry regiment with a penchant for jungle stuff. They have never been used in an SF role in British usage. They are unusually selective for such a regiment, and have a distinctive culture but that's it. It's basically the last existing colonial regiment (although Nepal was never a colony). A quirk which exists through it existing by a centuries old agreement with Nepal, and that it was the most loyal and competent of regiments in the British Indian Army.
They are very cheerful, odd, absolutely ferocious in battle and have an innocence that borders on being a bit dim. They are much loved in the British army for these reasons. But they are not SF, or comparitive with RM/Para.
>Unless you think rangers (who are the designated water bearers for SFOD-D) aren't special operations either,
From a British viewpoint Ranger are NOT SF. SF refers only to what the US calls 'tier 1'. They are an elite infantry regiment seconded to SF command. The British comparison would be 'SFSG'. Which is Paras (and some RM) rotating into the same role as the rangers.
One time a gurkha unit on parade was asked for volunteers to do parachute training (although it was specifically asked 'who volunteers to jump out of planes') and only maybe 10 out of a company volunteered. The visiting officers were confused as to why the supposedly tough Gurkhas had so few volunteers. Turns out that they hadn't understood they would be given parachutes - yet 10 had still volunteered. Stories like this, along with others like chopping off Taliban heads (through a misunderstanding of what the OC was asking), cooking goat curry in the middle of firefights, entering fights with glee and many stories of Gurkhas absolutely refusing to do what they were told by shouting NCOs (shouting is rude, why should I do what the rude man says?) make them much loved in the bong mill. But in terms of actual military competence they are the same as a normal regiment.
>in terms of actual military competence they are the same as a normal regiment
I'd go as far as to say that initially they struggle to deal with more technical aspects such as operating heavy weapons and IFVs. But this is changing as 3rd-gen British-born Gurkhas enlist and education standards increase all around, so now Gurkhas can more effectivley man the technical branches such as Gurkha Logistic Regiment
Gurkhas are what you get when you take people from a warrior culture, filter them through extremely high recruiting standards, and then train the shit out of them: Very very good light infantry. Technical knowledge and soft skills like psyops is another story.
>pipeline
This is isn't about recruitment pipelines, it's about
>there is no direct analog for SF's mission statement, which deals primarily with the muster, training, and subsequent leading of indigenous militias, in the British army.
The British practically invented the job, anon, and the SAS are the Army's direct inheritors of the mission, via the Counter-Revolutionary Warfare Wing.
I don't know if the modern British SF setup has other units assigned to the role in addition.
>All paras rotate into the SFSG
True
>Look at quality and roles, not words.
True
>RM is also about the same level as rangers but it not a special forces unit.
Yup
They're yet another high-standard light infantry unit.
Gurkhas are not SF, or considered 'elite' in the British army. They receive the same training as a line infantry regiment and are used in the same way as any other British infantry regiment.
Their renown comes from their distinctive regimental culture and being very selective for a standard infantry regiment (20k compete every year for about 250 places in the British army).
A couple battalions of high quality light infantry would be useful to the Ukrainians, and their cheerful yet ferocious nature would be great for enlivening any close range assaults. If I was Hetman I would probably want to put them in one of the newer brigades mostly comprised of inexperienced soldiers. So they can fullfil a mixture of training, mentoring and close range assaults.
mixing high quality troops with new conscripts doesn’t seem like a good idea, they’ll just be dragged down like western soldiers by the Afghan soldiers
Ukies are not equivalent to Afghanis though, and are fully capable of being high quality troops themselves.
Although Gurkhas are great they are not special forces and are lightly equipped. Ukraine also largely lacks the dense Forrest or mountains where they can really shine. In the scheme of things a couple of battalions of light infantry are not going to make a huge difference. To me it seems best to use their expertise to boost competence and moral amongst the newer units.
Alternatively Gurkhas + western donated IFVs & Armour (preferably challenger) and you have a new shiny highly skilled NATO armoured infantry brigade.
Former French Foreign Legion here.
The average Nepalese male is approximately 155cm tall and 50kg. Your average white high school girl could kill 80% of the male Nepalese population with her bare hands. I could single-handedly genocide the entire nation of Nepal if I wanted to, I would literally be able to strangle every single person in that entire country to death one by one and not get tired.
They can't run for shit, none of them ever make 3000m on the Cooper test their legs are so short that they suck worse than any other nationality on long distance marches. They can do pushups because their arms are 20cm long but they have to be picked up in order to hang off the pullup bars and lowered down like literal children in a playground. The smallest SAPI plate is like an XXXL for a Nepalese male, and they are unbelievable bad at shooting because holding a HK416F is impossible when you are the size of a small child. When a Nepalese Legionnaire is carrying a basic combat load he is at 100% of his bodyweight and completely combat ineffective. None of them are physically able to carry a MAG58, M2 tripod, or even fire an FRF2 from the prone unsupported position.
Most importantly Nepalese are all overwhelmingly pathetic and resistant to all forms of correctional training and punishment. They universally act like whining bitches who cry and moan no matter what and their only contribution to the Legion is petty theft. They're also rampantly homosexual and suck each other's dicks and fuck each other in the ass in the showers because 100% of them are incels
>They're also rampantly homosexual and suck each other's dicks and fuck each other in the ass in the showers because 100% of them are incels
i want to know more about this
>Former French Foreign Legion
Of course you saw that in the legion. That's where the non-hacker Gurkhas who couldn't make it in the British or Indian army end up.
Gurkha selection requires running 2km in under 8min 15 seconds and a steep uphill 6km run whilst carrying 15kg attached round the head in under 45 min. The strength tests are the same as the rest of the army.
That and the homosexuality sounds like an issue with the legion.
When you have 20,000 people trying this shit out every year you're eventually going to find 200 people who can run those times which are achievable by most white male teenagers.
>2km in 8:15
We literally used to run 20km each morning for PT I could get up right now and run 2km in 7mins flat easily.
>6km uphill with 15kg in 45mins
Our marche commando run is 8km with helmet, plate carrier and rifle in 45min. Fucking disgusting streetshitters running with a basket is piss easy.
These are minimum entry tests. You can exceed that and still fail selection.
>Gurkha selection requires running 2km in under 8min 15 seconds
Is this supposed to be fast?
It is in the low oxygen, mountainous terrain of Nepal, yes
Pokhara is one of two cities where the Gurkhas go to tryout and be selected. Pokhara being the most elevated of the two sits at around 2,700 feet. Denver, for comparison, sits at 5,200 feet. It has nothing to do with elevation.
See what you think.
>Former Legionaire
Which part of West Africa are you from?
epic copypasta
>Former French Foreign Legion here.
im really sorry to hear that anon get well soon
What did anon mean by this?
(I cheated and added a single extra e).
show proof or gay and larping pilled
assuming your experience was real and not a complete fabrication, which give
is not an assumption i am prepared to make, it would be worth pointing out that no nepalese would be trying to enter the foreign legion unless they had already washed out f gurkha selection and the nepalese army.
the FFL has a reputation, and sees more action than most of the french army, but its known more as a last resort recruitment position and would not be the first choice of any nepalese who wanted to serve in a military
The Royal Ghurkas are a guards regiment, they are absolutely considered elite
>The Royal Ghurkas are a guards regiment, they are absolutely considered elite
Lol no. They are 'decent' light role infantry with a penchant for working in the trees because there's a battalion based in Brunei.
Also they hate the rain.
Not every Royal unit is a Guards unit, just the ones that actually have Guards in the name. That would be the Grenadier, Coldstream, Welsh, Scots, and Irish Guards.
The gurkhas are definitely elite though.
Ghurkas are not in the Guards.
The Guards are not "elite".
And Ghurkas are no different to any other line infantry regiment.
'Royal' does not mean it's a guards unit. 'Guards' does not signify elite status in the UK either.
Wagnerites decapitated with single blows from kukris, complete hysteric panic and collapse of russian morale, gurkhas racking up hundreds of kills per soldier.
Warcrime
Mobiks panicking worse than Argies did
>even though Gurkhas never actually fought them save in one battle
Telegram, RT and Ria Novosti melts down over actual confirmed HATO mercenaries entering the chat, instead of the bullshit they've been peddling
Russians would mistake them for Chinese
>implying they wouldn't mistake them for other Russians.
>Oh look, the Chinese are sending us help
>Wait, why are they coming after us?
>Oh shit, Dmitri's head is on my lap
Entire Russian camps and barracks wiped out in the night, with every man but one having his throat cut in his sleep. They left one alive to wake up surrounded by corpses because they think it's funny.
That would be a warcrime.
No, actually the whole headhunting deal was done by other abos in Burma and Malaya, not Gurkhas. They did it in WW2 because the British paid bounties per Jap killed, and there was no other way for illiterate forest-dwellers to confirm delivery - what were they going to do, look for the Jap's identity books? Which resulted in several British commanders being randomly handed a bag of dripping or rotting heads every now and then.
How is that a warcrime jfc
"Mutilating bodies in unusal ways and leaving one alive to tell the tale". You're not supposed to do terrorist type shit like that, as a proper Army.
If their side wins who cares?
Just call it 'psychological warfare' and slap a nice classified sticker on the folder. By the time it comes to light everyone involved in the war is dead and their descendants will just think it's a cool story.
>t, knower.
>Mutilating bodies in unusal ways
does not equate to having their throats slit whilst they sleep anon
I bet you thing explosives are a war crime
>That would be a warcrime.
what part of "Royal fucking Ghurkas" did you not understand?
they fashion necklaces from the ears of their defeated enemies
You say that like it’s a complicated and brave act and not just some wild sadistic shit that a human got up to in war time.
It's only a war crime if your side loses.
>No war crime if you win
Unless you're British, in which case you get thrown under the bus for following orders and executed if you don't.
The british didn't win.
UNDEFEATED ARMY
what the fuck, is that REAL?
>That would be a warcrime
Oh anon.
kek
Do people actually believe these stories?
hunner persen
I'd belive that over any of that American shit. Last survivor American sniper benghazi etc etc
yeah those are just ridiculous
>t. never met a gurkha
not that unbelievable considering he caught them off guard and they where probably just like 5 guys
>off duty Gurkha draws his knoife to fuck up random robbers on a train
>gee no way would a Gurkha on stag in an OP fight for his life against jihadis like a cornered tiger
It is true. He didn't actually kill 30 though. I believe he killed maybe 5, bonker one on the head with a tripod and the rest ran away. Defeated 30 yes, killed 30 no.
Whats unbelievable about it?
Apparently on /k they do. Fuck, this board is even more insufferable than incel retards on /pol make it to be. Thread after thread of NAFO circle jerking
try hemorrhoid cream for that butthurt
Feel free to leave
>/k
>/pol
hello newfren now leave
Brits hire Gurkhas for a reason.
Yes it's true. It's not that incredible if someone in a properly protected position does not run and can provide effective suppression. The Talibs ran after taking some casualties and being unable to dislodge him. Gurkha regiments have literally fought into the Western frontier of British India for 150yrs...protecting the Durand line from countless Pashtun attacks.
The secret is that most people in a war zone have no idea what they're doing, so the one guy who does know what he's doing has a massive advantage.
>WAAAGH! I'm not capable of this, so I refuse to believe anyone else is either!
Taliban have terrible unit cohesion, discipline and leadership, so it's not that crazy. This would be unbelievable if it was against a foe with a competent officer/NCO corps however. Any leader with a brain would order 5-6 men to surprises him and keep his head down while the rest attacked from the flanks and threw grenades. If it was 30 Taliban walking towards him piecemeal then yeah I see this as incredibly likely.
*Suppress
Forgive my phoneposter ass
>third generation Gurkha from Kent
his granddad would be bigging it up with all his mates, kek
>oh yeah? what the fuck's YOUR grandson done lately? he's in the Royal Logistic Corps for fuck's sake!
If a man says he is not afraid of dying he is either a liar, or a Gurkha.
>the 5'7 gurkha
Why mention this. dudes probably taller than average for his race
>Gurkhas shamelessly steal his feats
Pathetic
In trench warfare there's not much difference between special forces and regular forces. You're stuck in a fixed location and the incoming shells don't care how much training you have.
A lot of jars full of russian testicules
the ultimate meme force. wow a knife, here have an ak round to the face chingchong.
They would be best used in an attack. But there would be a lot of questions to how they are used in such an attack. The warfare that is seen in Ukraine and the organizations that are fighting aren't what the Gurkhas are used to.
Setting them on the Chechens would be interesting.
You mean the OG chad chechens or Kadyrovites?
Thinking more of the terrain of the Northern Caucuses itself which everyone else has always struggled with. The OGs all went to the middle east, the current lot are really the equivalent of the theme park Spartans the Romans used to go and look at on holiday.
Russia would seethe and claim they killed 3 times more Gurkhas than have ever existed, 2 Boris Johnsons and King Charles.
Gurkhas would fuck them up
>t. trained with them at jungle warfare centre and had a good mate that was nepalese and had most of his family in both british and indian regiments. At 40 he was the fittest guy in my unit
I would pay good money for POV footage of them on operations in Bakhmut
> Gurkhas would fuck them up
> At 40 he was the fittest guy in my unit
Had a crush on a Ghurka and now sees them all as action movie super heroes
Just how gay and delusional can one be?
lmao, projection from butthurt third worlders, never thought I'd ever see that
nepalese are the only black an i can repsect
alot of stories, meme tier. Mainly due to Brit "humor".
better than a conscript I would assume
China might get a few companies of Gurkhas due to India's reforms.
NO FUN WARNING:
>Arrive in the city
>Immediately ordered to leave
>Integrated to the main offensive plan for spring/summer
>Significant portion assigned to training
Sending them to fight for Bakhmut is a waste of their potential. UA has been smart about not feeding everything the west sends directly into the front piecemeal and I'd expect that to continue.
having a cool knife and facepaint doesn't make them useful.
A few dead Gurkhas and a ton of dead Russians. Or more realistically they get sent to training grounds in western Ukraine to teach Ukrainian troops.
Buryats vs Gurkhas for the ultimate mongoloid battle
this
They would pose as fake enemy dead soldiers in shitty propaganda videos? lol
>dead ukrainians
>wearing sneakers
I AM SUCCESSFULLY DEMORALISED
mike from idaho oblast here, i am very demoralized after seeing this webm
Russians would get confused thinking they are their own guys from the east.
>If Britain were to send their gurkhas over to Bakhmut what would happen realistically?
Unironically, war crimes. Gurkhas know the best way to a subhuman's heart is tossing his buddy's severed head into his trench.
Many mobniks will return home without a dick
Send then to Moscow, a nice target rich environment.
They'd open a couple of places where you could get a good curry.