If an armed force doesn't care about the conventions of war, why wouldn't they use high powered lasers to blind enemy combatants?

If an armed force doesn't care about the conventions of war, why wouldn't they use high powered lasers to blind enemy combatants? Why doesn't Russia and the Taliban use them to easily blind all of the enemy combatants from a safe distance?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bombs better

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    try pointing a laser into someone's eye from 500m

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And without becoming a magnet for return fire.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        and having to blind both eyes and not just one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It would be fucking easy. You don't have NVG, do you? Lasers aren't perfectly collimated. A PEQ-2 would have a 5 inch beam at 500m. It would be easier than shooting someone at that distance.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        there's nothing stopping you from putting your theory into practice
        Do a Laser Pointer mass shooting and we will see if your correct

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          3 innocent dog corpses have been deposited into your account

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Why doesn't Russia and the Taliban use them to easily blind all of the enemy combatants from a safe distance?
        >easily
        >safe distance
        So yeah you're doing a lot of work with that dumb shit anon. There is no safe distance against an actual army vs randos. They will have vehicle mounted heavy weapons, artillery and so on. If you are within 10-30 miles you're at risk. Typical battle zones have plenty of dust and such in the air. A laser is a huge sign pointing right back to you, which is why they're barely ever used period outside of special circumstances like long distance lighting particularly infrared and NVG if you know the other guys don't have them. It just doesn't work. Also

        >A PEQ-2 would have a 5 inch beam at 500m
        Um, anon? You do realize that the beam expanding to 5" also means the same energy is now spread out over more area? If we look at something like those silly WICKED LASERS which were hilariously illegal and dangerous power levels, the real big ones had a beam diameter of like 5mm. Going from that to 5" is an increase in area of 645 times, which also means an equivalent drop in energy density. Even tens of watt lasers will be back down into class 3 equiv with that kind of drop, but those are also bigger, hottier, heavier and more power hungry.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It would be fucking easy. You don't have NVG, do you? Lasers aren't perfectly collimated. A PEQ-2 would have a 5 inch beam at 500m. It would be easier than shooting someone at that distance.

          Just attach high powered lasers to drones and have facial tracking on a gimbal to aim the laser
          You can get alot closer and reduce the power required then
          Look up some of the stupid hand held lasers that styropyro has made

          Someone will do it eventually and it'll be a fucking mess to clean up after

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            2 years old btw
            Combine it with an updated version of this since face rec is way better now and attach to a drone

            Ez pz flying warcrime

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Ez pz flying warcrime
              You know what's even easier? A drone with a cup of ammonia and one of bleach and then a sprayer that mixes them as it shoots it out. Or water balloons, one of each glued together, now you can drop them from high up for a nice splash! Chloramines for all!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Scary
                How long before some incel does this

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Meh. It's still strongly line of sight, no ballistics, you need to either get someone to look up at it or have something reflective to work with. You need them to not be wearing any eye protection. You need them not to have drone defenses. You need this to be more useful then just having a fucking grenade on the drone which will work on people who are sleeping in holes or in vehicles with open sun roofs to take highly theoretical examples. You need your enemy to not retaliate and do so much better than you can. Etc etc.

            You have no fucking idea how powerful lasers can get. The lasers used for blinding people aren't pointing lasers.
            You just have to turn them on in the general direction of the enemy and they don't even have to look in your direction to lose their sight permanently.
            There's a reason why that shit is banned.

            They're banned same as a whole range of other blinding/disabling stuff like chemical agents. People thing of chemical warfare as a killing thing for some reason but mostly it disables instead and blinding is one of the most common sense eyes are really sensitive and unprotected.

            Sure lasers can get powerful (though they get bigger, heavier and hotter), but so can blister agents and the like. If you're willing to just start using obviously illegal horror shit that points right back at you there isn't any big difference here and it'll invite the same retaliation, and the lasers will be even more obvious.

            I guess if it ever truly became a problem though we are almost at the point where troops can just wear displays and not have their eyes exposed to the outside world at all.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You'd be surprised at how compact diode lasers are these days. A 40 watt laser with heat sinks is smaller than a coke can.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The one in this vid is a 100 watt array

                https://youtu.be/W6FbUiiwutQ
                2 years old btw
                Combine it with an updated version of this since face rec is way better now and attach to a drone

                Ez pz flying warcrime

                Pretty scary stuff. You can still buy them online for like 59 bucks too lmaoo

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              with relays your drones can actually fly low to the ground even at far distances (honestly don't get why ukranians aren't using relay drones already)
              sure glasses work. but you could bring different wavelengths
              the big advantage is taking out lots of enemies with a single flight

              Full vision vr goggles are probably the only way to combat this. But the sensors will still get blown out and if the laser is IR you might get skin burns

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But again there are lots of other warcrimes to be done that are even more effective. Chemical weapons load fine in artillery shells for example, now you can reach out and warcrime from tens of miles away.

                The reason none of this shit is used is it's either not very militarily effective (terrorism is its own thing) vs conventional, will invite massive retaliation, or both. There are endless ways for humans to be fucks and while morals plays a major role in stopping that so does pure self interest.

                Scary
                How long before some incel does this

                >Scary
                Not really. I mean anon, someone could just drop fucking rocks or tetrahedral spikes or something off one of the tens of thousands of highway overpasses at rush hour and randomly hurt lots of people too. Or drive a car into a crowd. It's rare because most people aren't interested in randomly killing and/or don't want to face the consequences.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >. Chemical weapons load fine in artillery shells for example, now you can reach out and warcrime from tens of miles away.
                You forgot the drone swarm part
                Or the firing drone to distant locations with missiles

                Lots of reasons it won't get used but i could see pakistan or one of the arab/african nations going this route

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Or the firing drone to distant locations with missiles
                CW works bretty gud on missiles as well anon.

                I just don't see blinding ever being very useful vs military targets except for super niche stuff. The most obvious is a low tech opponent trying to disrupt aircraft operations. All aircraft cockpit windows inevitably end up micropitted, just how it goes when you're traveling hundreds of miles per hour through the atmosphere you will hit dust and shit. So they diffract and scatter lasers hard core and a single strike on a cockpit window can flood the pilot(s), and it's a very valuable target. High powered laser might become easier for some to get then MANPADS. It has been an issue for commercial flight from retards too.

                Full screen cockpit though (or a hybrid where there are still windows but either also screens or you can pull screens over them if laser strike happens) would be even easier than goggles from a tech perspective. We could do that right now if there was really a need, and reliably, regulators would more be the hurdle.

                Basically I think lasers will be more about going after sensors and vehicles then infantry, to the extent non-destructive ones get used.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Never mind military aircraft, you can fly most general aviation aircraft while literally blind if you are familiar with the cockpit layout and it has a decent autopilot. Military pilots go through a certain amount of blindfold training as a matter of course; their first action would probably be to pop off a HARM or two.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pilots are very expensive though anon. Sure they might land but they're not doing operations going forward blind. One or two permanently blinded military pilots is probably about as valuable a human target as it's possible to find.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Just attach high powered lasers to drones
            Alright ill just wear picrel and be fine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The laser doesn't necessarily have to hit the eye. Really powerful lasers can blind you just if you look at the beam or the spot. And you can probably add some difraction lenses to increase the chance of someone seeing the beam.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You have no fucking idea how powerful lasers can get. The lasers used for blinding people aren't pointing lasers.
      You just have to turn them on in the general direction of the enemy and they don't even have to look in your direction to lose their sight permanently.
      There's a reason why that shit is banned.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How about a drone with an underside laser turret, thermal imaging and AI flight control

      Pic slightly related

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Flying drones are the wrong way to approach the situation. What you want is a small solar powered sentry gun.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They know perfectly well their enemies can afford laser protection gear and they can't.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hurr why not just be an animal and torture and maim
    Because then you get double whatever you give one day and die like the dog you are. It's literally never worth it, and if you're close enough to blind someone with a lazer you're close enough to just shoot them too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      who double nuked washington or double holocausted new york in ww2?
      you win by killing and enslaving the other

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ook ook ook

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone who was able to.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lasers would be scattered and absorbed within the range of rifles.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From a tactical standpoint, ultraviolet lasers are the only type that really make sense.
    >invisible to the naked eye
    >effective against exposed skin as well as eyes
    >damage threshold for photochemical effects is 100-1000x lower than thermal effects
    25 watts per square meter is considered safe for a visible laser but would cause your skin to burn in seconds from an ultraviolet laser

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ultraviolet lasers cause cornea or lens damage depending upon the wavelength. Both are repairable. Near infrared does retina damage which is permanent. It's also really easy to get a 300 watt 1064nm near IR laser. Collimate it for a 1mrad beam divergence and it will blind at a kilometer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It comes back to damage thresholds. If you hit one person with enough IR to case eye damage and another person with enough UV to cause eye damage, then the UV guy has a chance of recovering. However, if you hit the UV guy with the same amount of energy as the IR guy, his skin will start falling off and if he survives that he will also get cancer. It's true that direct UV lasers are less efficient than IR lasers, but a blue laser running through a frequency doubler is within the same ballpark.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The damage threshold levels to burn the retina are very low. The lens in your eye focused the beam down to a tiny spot. Basically the area of the open pupil gets focused down to a tiny spot.
          The ultraviolet light does not get focused down due to it being absorbed completely by the cornea or the lens. This the peak power density is much lower for the Ultraviolet than for the infrared.

          Put the numbers into the L.I.A. Software, the nominal hazard distance for aided and unaided viewing is very different between the two. Also, buying a 300 watt small I.R. Laser is easy to find, U.V., not so much.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You get different numbers depending on whether you use ocular hazard distance or ultraviolet index, which is what doctors normally use to predict skin damage from UV light. At 225nm, UV index 10 equals about 250 milliwatts per square meter, and would cause sunburn in about 15 minutes. 250 milliwatts per square centimeter, which is a more typical value for a blinding laser, would equal a UV index of 100,000. I don't think anyone has ever measured how quickly that would cause sunburn but it should be on the order of milliseconds. I use 225nm specifically because you can easily produce that by frequency doubling a 450nm laser.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You'll end up accidentally blinding a lot of animals via refracted beams scattering into the countryside, and birds are your friends.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You would use an IR laser, preferably without any visible beam. Attach it to an IR scope and you have a ready weapon for use at night.

    Overall it isn't as effective as bullets and even less effective than artillery. Also lol at Portland in 2020 and antifa permanently blinding federal police and getting away with it.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because if you can do that, you can also just shoot them in the face.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >laze US soldiers
    >they call in an airstrike on your position
    >Air Force doesn't even need to designate the target because you did it for them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this, even state police would drop grenades on you from a helicopter for doing this shit like the MOVE bombing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What is the MOVE bombing, anon?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          google it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What a disaster. Why did the police feel the need to do it?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nothing of value was lost. They took out enemy personnel.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Taxpayers had to cough up $14.3 million in the aftermath.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Seems like the mayor and chief of police were both gigachads who destroyed their enemies with extreme prejudice. based.
                Both of them should have been skinned alive while their wives and children hang.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seems like it'd open a Pandora's Box similar to chemical/biological/nuclear weapons and both sides are terrified of the stuff won't use it on eachother for fear of having it used back on them, ala MAD.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so I hurd you leik blinding weapons

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hopefully, your screen will blind you and you'll stop shit posting

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because only gay hipsters who support the BLM movement think these are "weapons"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. They actually have caused eye injuries to various law enforcement officers, though. In a civil war, they would get shot immediately after.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't actually work so well. Low-power lasers are overrated and laser eye pro is common.

    That's why it's a war crime in the first place. War crimes aren't anything that's cruel or evil, they're things which are cruel but also ineffective or negative-sum.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be on patrol
    >pink floyd laser spectacular starts from the treeline
    >shoot at laser show until it stops

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why doesn't Russia
    they do, specificity to blind snipers and observers

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Welders have to deal with this kind of damaging light all day, every day. Picrel is less than $250 and will protect your eyes while the respirator under it filters out any toxins in the air.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only works if you know the wavelength of the damaging light, and if you try to filter out everything, that's what's known in common parlance as a blindfold.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >50+ replies
    >literally not one mentions the Iran-Iraq War where this actually did happen
    nu PrepHole is total garbage. Anyway, the Iranians suffered over 4,000 eye injuries as a result of Iraqi laser use. It's just very far from a war winner, you ultimately still need combined arms superiority to win a war and take terrain.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From what I have learned on PrepHole all you need is a 3d printer that has a laser on it and a door.
    The light will pass under the door and just fucking blind everyone.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why doesn't Russia and the Taliban use them to easily blind all of the enemy combatants from a safe distance?
    low iq and poor

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHAHA
    >Have to aim at le head, so why not shoot them?
    >Gets defeated by head displays, simple suitable goggles, anything that bends or reflects light (muh melting mirrors is not guaranteed, especially not the first time one hits it)
    >Needs a power source
    >BUT MUH POWERFUL LAZOR!!!! Yeah make yourself a beacon for all the returnfire in the world gay
    >When the associates of your victims find you (not hard) and get to you (Also easy), be ready to get your limbs sawzalled off for maiming someone.

    I won't deny its got potential.
    Maybe as an underbarrel contraption. As a standalone weapon you'll just get yourself killed first.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    semi related; how do laser guided bombs or missiles know the difference between the thing being painted and the box doing the painting?

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