What's a good gun to buy en-masse that lets relatatively untrained people be at least be somewhat annoying to an attacking force?
I'm thinking of just doing off-brand .22 LR rifles since it's a cheap cartridge with little recoil but I'm open to suggestions.
The scenario is basically "how do I arm randoms sheltering with me" not "how do I turn into a warlord vaporizing everything in my path" so expensive meme cartridges are out.
I'm neither smart nor arrogant enough to think I can fight an offensive war with my urbanite cousins.
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This is how I would have written Kotaro Lives Alone.
>Kotaro Lives Alone
That shit is sad as frick
Cheap 5.56 AR's, same as uncle Sam does.
>Cheap 5.56 AR
>cheap
Your standards are different from mine.
Stop posting on PrepHole and get a job then
$0.44/round is too much for you? Do you want to actually be a threat and be able to shoot through hay and plywood at 200 yards? What about possible body armor; 22 can't deal with it.
>Get told to get a job
>Bring up expenses
Cheap ARs are almost as cheap as AK.
You won't buy a semi-auto rifle chambered in a round designed to kill a man sized target for cheaper than a budget AR. Even AKs are about the same price on the lower end of each.
To answer OP's question, assuming some sort of guerrilla warfare shit, some budget bolt action chambered in .223 or larger. Low cost and innate push towards accuracy due to inability to instinctively spray, needing a manual action and thus more focus on shooting. If I wanted to do some edgy private militia to piss off locals and end up on the news than budget AR or AK, whichever you can find for cheaper.
Probably a varmint rifle. Think a .223 bolt action with a box magazine like a Ruger or a Howa. Widely accessible cartridge with good enough performance. 10 round magazine. Bolt action is a braindead simple manual of arms that most noguns can understand with minimal training. Lightweight. Also good for small game hunting and even deer at closer range.
Alternatively, ye old pump gun. 12 gauge is everywhere. All sorts of loads available. Stupid cheap, also very simple manual of arms.
unironically?
check out the highpoint catalogue. they are cheap, survive stupid, and can work as a bludgeon
also second the shotgun idea, and def look at airguns as well. quiet so more time to shoot and scoot, and air is fricking cheap
Really this. Hi-points all in the same cartridge along with a reloading bench and fairly cheap red dots to make aiming easier for your less than well trained group. On top of that a fud tier 308 rifle with a decent scope for someone who's more competent with their aim. That way if shots keep missing and some opfor gets complacent and sticks his head out he might reconsider with some new ventilation.
>Bolt action
>Pump shotgun
>Weapons that require the user to manipulate some portion of the weapon coolly and smoothly in the heat of battle
That seems way worse than an AR. If you give someone an AR with a 30 round mag, you can have them charge it once; one time; before combat and then the only thing they need to know is how to switch off the safety. It'll go boom 30 times every time they squeeze the trigger from then on. That's so much more reliable for a panicky normie than needing to do something in between shots like run the bolt or pump.
Automatics are not that hard. If jarheads can figure out how to do it, so can any urbanite, no matter how thin their wrists are.
And ARs are the most common automatic rifle in America, so OP should be able to buy them cheap from places like PSA, buy magazines cheap, buy ammo cheap (it won't be good ammo but who cares?), etc etc.
30 poorly aimed rounds is gone in seconds. You're moronic. Bolt actions force people to slow down and be deliberate. Harrassing sniper fire, shooting and scooting, etc are much more effective and realistic. Nobody should think they're gonna field a line of morons with 30 rounds of 5.56 and win an engagement.
Someone who doesn’t know how to shoot and has maybe never shot before isn’t going to magically become a better shot with a bolt action than with a semi auto
They will learn fundamentals better and it forces them to slow down, which facilitates better accuracy. As opposed to closing your eyes and jamming the trigger until it clicks
>They will learn fundamentals better and it forces them to slow down, which facilitates better accuracy.
Which you can do on a semi auto. You can single load them too
>As opposed to closing your eyes and jamming the trigger until it clicks
Someone who does that isn’t going to be less scared of a stronger, heavier recoiling rifle. They’ll still close their eyes and flinch.
You’re making up a scenario in your head that an amateur somehow because good with a bolt action and somehow becomes a potato tier tard with a semi auto. There is either no basis for both or the same basis for both.
.22 is a good training cartridge for inexperienced shooters. it has the capacity to wound with less of a killing intent. So what you are basically asking for is an M16 chambered in .22 lr or if you want to be a little more expensive an m4
>.22 is a good training cartridge for inexperienced shooters. it has the capacity to wound with less of a killing intent
Yeah that's my thought process.
I'm not dealing with a white room idealized shot aiming at vital vitals scenario, I'm dealing with a setup where HOLY FRICK I'M BEING SHOT AT FRICK FRICK FRICK is the main impression I want to create.
Again.
I'm not a one-man army and I'm not arrogant enough to think I can turn my relatives into special forces. I want a boom stick that makes its wielder a threat or at least makes its wielder feel like a threat to people at the business end of it.
>M16 chambered in 22 lr
...interesting.
theoretically you could design a cartridge smaller than that, with a smaller powder load, smaller bullet, but for what's on the market, .22 is the way to go.
Oddly enough .22lr has better 1 hit stop capacity than 9mm
>arming randoms
your first and last mistake
Literally any gun.
some form of levers/bolt-actions in .22 Hornet
round is super soft to shoot and accurate so good for randoms
levers/bolts naturally force them to pace their shots so better for the untrained
in terms of potentially slightly apocalyptic scenario it's also not "picky" like some rounds are, works fine with lots of different powders, loads and bullets even fairly shitty ones you just crank out by hand
cases can be safely reloaded 8-10 times if you run slightly lower pressures than standard
you can also get revolvers in .22 Hornet for sidearms but idk how those are, only shot rifle
>22 Hornet
"just get an obscure cartridge with little market support/availability and shittier performance than 5.56"
Sks/ak variants.
They've literally been issued to illiterate 3rd worlders for more than half a century and to great effect.
Pistol cartridges are cheaper to build guns due to lower pressures. 9mm PCCs would be good, longer barrel gets more power from the cartridge than a handgun does and ammo is cheaper than rifle rounds. There are entirely 3D printable/DIY 9mm PCCs you can mass manufacture for cheap.
10/22 are like $200. Buy five of them and those twenty five round magazines. Five friends could annoy an attacking force on the cheap.
Cheap AR-15s. 5.56 recoil is nothing.
Years ago it would've been the Mini 14 but ARs are unironically cheaper and better these days.
IWI Zion 15 if you need a relatively high-quality AR for under $100.
>for under $100.
Wat.
Guessing he meant under 1k dollars.
Yeah I kind of figured unless he knew something we all didn't
>What's a good gun to buy en-masse that lets relatatively untrained people be at least be somewhat annoying to an attacking force
Maveric 88
Facts!
Its a really decent blaster for like 300
Anon the AR was designed for lead-poisoned conscripts in the 60s and 70s. It's simple enough.
ARs are cheap semi autos but you have to maintain them, cleaning is important but lubing is necessary. They won't work dry, so a good amount of lube and training on cleaning is necessary, and morons won't maintain them let's be honest. You also can't shoot steel ammo for prolonged periods, the extractors aren't strong enough and will break.
AKs are the go-to for most of the world for what you described. Eat any ammo, never need cleaning, just don't submerge in clay. They're too expensive in the US now though unfortunately to arm a lot of people with.
G3's are the battle rifle version of a robust idiot proof gun. Many armies still field it and you find them all over Africa in civilian hands as their go-to. FAL also fills this role to a lesser extent, it's still adopted by some third world militaries but lesser so. No cleaning needed for either, and they eat whatever ammo you can find. These are also too expensive to buy shit tons of though, just an idea if you're fricking loaded and want a good armament.
For cheapness and absolute reliability, bolt actions. A militia with bolt action .308s would be a force to be reckoned with. I'm not saying .308 is the best caliber for sniping, but it's extremely common in North America and relatively cheap. Easy to stock up on and scavenge. Of course bolt action has its disadvantage, but it's cheap and at least they're armed. Far more formidable than unarmed. You could even have some run irons and some scopes, the iron boys fulfill closer fighting roles, just obviously have to account for shooting slower, while the rest of your group is primarily snipers. Snipers are a fricking menace when SHTF or during an insurgency, learn their tactics.
Oh and don't fricking bother with .22, that was a meme round for boomers who didn't have high end bb guns in their time. Anything you can kill with a .22, you can catch in snare traps, and you can carry a lot more snares for the weight of a .22 rifle and bricks of ammo. They're pointless boomer bb guns for killing squirrels, don't try to take those toys into battle.
You completely invalidated anything you said before by saying .22 is worthless. You have never killed anything with a gun before.
lelyep
Q: How do you tell if someone is a nogunz moron
A: If they talk about guns the way someone would talk about superpowers.
News fricking flash morons: Humans are squishy and don't like fast metal hitting them.
The morons don't need to maintain them though. None of his urbanite family are going to consent to having a gun in their home, much less firing it and cleaning it. OP is going to be maintaining the ARs until the exact second America becomes Somalia and all that family shows up at his doorstep hoping he planned ahead.
OP here. This.
Again.
I'm not cool.-
The people sheltering with me are not cool.
I need something that can be stored and be used by drooling morons.
I am not a warlord.
I am not a king.
I'm an idiot who needs to arm other idiots.
Most soldiers are also idiots. They are a standard deviation lower on the IQ range. They can shoot and maintain ARs very easily. It’s honestly not complicated and learning for an hour is plenty. You won’t have enough ammo to shoot through them to worry about maintenance. If you have thousands of rounds for each to use, then you can also spend time to learn how to clean and lube it which also isn’t hard
The cheapest aks you can find. There's a reason sand people, african warlords and the american Black person all use them.
Dumb advice, since even cheap AKs are more expensive than AR15s in the USA.
ARs are cheaper and better.
>There's a reason sand people, african warlords and the american Black person all use them.
Because the Soviet Union gave them out to anybody that wanted them. That's why. Reason no longer applies.
You can get a Tikka T3X scope combo in .300 WM for under $400. Long range harassing fire from a safe distance is the strategy of choice for dealing with a superior opponent. Just be wary of shot spotters.
>The scenario is basically "how do I arm randoms sheltering with me"
Depends on how full blown the guerrilla war is. If it's at the point where the enemy has won over most organised resistance and patrols the streets, then give everyone small pistols with which they can shoot targets of opportunity. The intent is to make the occupying force suffer certain and steady, but random casualties that drain their morale. No soldier will know when it's their turn to die. It's better to use IEDs at this point though, in which case: Tannerite.
I'm a frickup who happens to have land and who likes his extended family unironically not a 2cool4school operator.
AR-15s have gotten relatively cheap and easy to build. Ammo shouldn't be that much harder to produce.
Cheapest AR15 is 90 bucks.
Probably the cheapest ar-15s you can find. One advantage is that they look "scary" and seeing a group armed with a bunch of evil tacticool rifles may give some hypothetical raiders more of a pause than a mishmash of old nuggets
Hi-point carbines, Cheap semi automatic pistols like Taurus, Bersa etc., cheap hunting rifles like the Savage axis and cheap shotguns like Maverick 88's and others (that aren't turkshit)
>I'm thinking of just doing off-brand .22 LR rifles since it's a cheap cartridge with little recoil but I'm open to suggestions.
Probably smart if you plan on buying more than 4 or 5. The Rossi RS22 is pretty solid, I haven’t had problems with mine, and is like $120. Get an extra 10rd mag, and one or two 25rd mags and that’s a decent setup for under $200. Add a brick of ammo for each and it’s under $250.
You aren’t winning gunfights with a squad of guys with ARs or AKs or whatever, but you probably aren’t doing that anyhow.
>The scenario is basically "how do I arm randoms sheltering with me"
You don't. That's a moronic idea.
You don't, you leave. What force are you fighting and why? Specifics matter not your dreams.
American cops would have lit that kid up.
Bolt action rifles like the savage axis in common hunting calibers for engaging people at range and defending your AO. Pump shotguns like the maverick 88 for static defense at close range. Maybe a handful of cheap pistols like hi-points or whatever for concealed carrying or a back up, and to assist the shotguns with close range engagements. Guns are cheap, ammo is cheap, all are easy to use, bolt guns are easy to practice with and not burn all your ammo in an engagement
I would also consider .22 handguns (full size). I have found that many of the new shooters I take to the range feel more comfortable with a handgun, despite rifles being technically easier to shoot. I think the added point of contact along with the "menacing" look of rifles just confuses small brained people.
If you are talking about training a gaggle of militia then sadly AR 15s are your best bet...
SKS might work too or maybe M1 Carbines
The m1 carbines are good for women and children more manageable recoid