i watched too much taofledermaus yesterday and came up with this. behold: the shrapnel slug

i watched too much taofledermaus yesterday and came up with this
behold: the shrapnel slug
could something like this be machined? and would it even work or just explode like a grenade?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It can be machined but not by (you). It'd probably work but I'd say replace the .22 case with an actual cup primer for more reliable ignition. Also would be illegal as long as the explosive load is less than i think 1 gram? Could be wrong on the weight but yeah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also would be illegal as long as the explosive load is less than i think 1 gram?
      hence the .22 blank.
      it acts as both the propellant and the contact fuze. 22 nail cartridges should have enough punch to push out some birdshot out the front.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it acts as both the propellant and the contact fuze. 22 nail cartridges should have enough punch to push out some birdshot out the front
        I seriously doubt it. You'd want a cup primer because ignition would be more reliable, and you'd want the filler to be a more powerful compound than gunpowder
        OP pic is still a cool idea though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >than i think 1 gram
      it's less than 1/4 ounce of explosive, which is like, 7 grams.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        109 grains of powder can send a lot of metal very fast

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        109 grains of powder can send a lot of metal very fast

        hypothetically speaking, theres nothing illegal about manufacturing a high explosive like tnt for using it with this so long as you hypothetically manufacture it on the same day and place that you set it off

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Impact fuses designed this way are no bueno. You've got no protection from just dropping it on the ground and dosing your feet with shrapnel. You can use a safety cap but then it's either gotta be crushable or would require removal by the end user. Also, if it's in a tube magazine, you could see how a drop from any height might detonate the whole tube. Similar phenomenon happened with competition tube speedloaders and standard 12 gauge shells with only one recessed primer; much less an exposed rimfire primer that initiates an explosive. Perpendicular hammer initiators or arming delay mechanisms are the most basic ways around the risk of unintentional discharge. For further reading, look the FRAG12 as it's a real example of arming delay with rotation applied to 12 gauge. To my knowledge, most if not all 40mm munitions that have an explosive component use this type of arming delay.

    The above mentioned FRAG12 research should lead you to conclude the concept isn't all that useful in practice. The simple fact is that you can't pack enough explosive materiel in a 12gauge slug to make it do any more than a solid lead slug does. Even a solid mass of a highly energetic explosive wrapped in a jacket of tungsten balls would be less target-effective than the equivalent space being filled with just lead.

    You should also consider the ballistics vs a sabot slug. You can push it faster but it won't be very dense compared to lead so it won't make much use of that velocity. You can add fins to stabilize it but that takes away from your capacity for explosive material. Basically, to make it fly as far and as flat as possible, there's not much room for boom. If you pack it full of boom, it'll be so light that it'll only fly straight a few yards before destabilizing and not landing on the targer or the initiator.
    tldr: been tried, doesn't work, don't hurt yourself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >could something like this be machined?
      Easily. It doesn't even require machining, it can be stamped from sheet.
      It wouldn't work well though. A 22 blank isn't powerful enough to send the birdshot flying out with any meaningful velocity. Get rid of the silly blank and use actual explosive and now it works. There's even historical precedent for that. See picrel, from W. W. Greener's The Gun and Its Development.

      Nose fuses like that are absolutely dangerous, but that never stopped people from doing it in the past.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        forgot pic

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          there are pics of the tools used to make these in another thread. see:

          [...]

          and a description of a very large gun firing that type of shell:

          [...]

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          next two pages here

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the idea was to make a projectile with maximum stopping power with no risk of penetration, but i guess when you're using explosive rounds home defense is out of the question
      and yeah, the ballistics of that slug would probably be horrendous without any spin
      plus the thought of these slamming into each other inside a tube gives me a cold shiver

      https://i.imgur.com/Ndx9za8.jpeg

      forgot pic

      https://i.imgur.com/o4bWmsD.jpeg

      next two pages here

      there are pics of the tools used to make these in another thread. see:
      [...]

      and a description of a very large gun firing that type of shell:
      [...]

      i had no idea people used to do this, interesting read
      ty anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you leave out the explosive then you end up with the equivalent of a "wax slug" or a "cut shell". I don't think stability is much of a problem. It is relatively easy to stabilize slugs without spin, you simply need to to make the back of the slug lighter than the front. Foster slugs do this by being hollow in the back. That doesn't work well with a filler, but another easy way to do this is to design the slug to use a wad that attaches to the base of the slug. The wad creates drag and that points the slug forward. That is extremely common. Gualbo, Brenneke, Thug, etc, brand slugs all are built like this. The plastic part acts like a gas seal and cushion wad while the slug is in the barrel, then when it leaves the muzzle it acts like a tail to keep the slug stable.

        Explosive slugs were a thing for dangerous game hunting in black powder days but once smokeless powder came on the scene those big guns fell out of use straight away, a smaller high velocity projectile beats a big slow one, even when that big slow one is full of explosive. The 8-guage was, at a time, the standard dangerous game rifle but once smokeless hit the scene it cartridges like .450 Nitro Express and comparable metric calibers replaced it very quickly. It's really very similar to how cartridges like 8mm Mauser, .30-06, .303 Brit, etc, replaced .45-70's, Sniders, Martini-Henries, etc around the same time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      speaking of the FRAG12, I just realized these could be mass produced super cheaply using injection molded polymer and compliant mechanisms. I bet you could prosuce these for less $1 each.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >taofledermaus
    Anyone ever figured put why this cat can only shoot shotguns and isn't allowed to shoot nothing else? Felony conviction? Chomo? Not a citizen?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and isn't allowed to shoot nothing else?
      I'm not sure what you're on about here, he's shot various other guns on the channel like the big .460 magnum revolver. And it's not like the law differentiates anyway. Either he can have guns or he can't; if he was a felon or had some other legal reason why he couldn't be around rifles or pistols then he couldn't have a shotgun either.
      I think that's just the niche he picked.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      don't they have videos of shooting S&W 500, gyrojets, 12 gauge ARs and other crazy shit?

      shotguns are the only guns with a bore diameter large enough to make funky projectiles, unless you want to frick around with 50cal hand loads

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are you ok, moron?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >he's shot various other guns
      other people on his channel shoot them, he doesn't handle them.
      its weird, man. that's all i'm saying, its weird shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He knows how to operate the high speed camera & the other fools don't He also quite obviously doesn't want his face in the videos, which is pretty damn common. Note that he rarely shoots the shotguns on video either. There's nothing weird here.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Everything you just posted makes it even weirder dude. You don't have to stand next to a camera to operate it, and everyone else shoots the guns that aren't shotguns, this is approaching fursuit anime conventions levels of weird

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You don't have to stand next to a camera to operate it
            It's not a normal camera you dumbass, he uses the Chronos high speed, they have elaborate controls on the back. In many of the videos it's obvious he's operating the camera because of the dialogue between him and the shooter.

            >and everyone else shoots the guns that aren't shotguns
            Everyone else shoots ALL the guns.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Ok so it's a speshul camera nobody else that owns one has to to do? His is miyazaki magic?

              >Everyone else
              But whhhhhhyyyyyyy doesn't he shoot the guns? Is there a fatwa on him? Is it like a furry fetish where only shotguns are allowed for his therian?
              It's fricking weird man, the whole channel is fricking degen and weird
              >fat failed ex cop
              >failed old man beard guy
              >nerveless giggling aged-out twink
              >mystery man who is literally allergic to not-shotguns
              fricking highly fricking suspicious dude

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >failed old man
                how do you fail at being old?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Being young

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok so it's a speshul camera nobody else that owns one has to to do?
                Literally yes. It sounds like you've never even watched his channel. He was filming all sorts of random shit with high-speed for years before he started specializing in shotguns. Most of it was various guns--ARs and AKs included but also machine guns, a .500 Nitro express, etc--the rest of it was just random science experiments or silly shit like explosives. His shotshell videos got a lot higher view counts so it's hardly surprising he continued doing what was the most popular. He's literally a high speed camera channel which focused on weird shotshells because those videos got the highest view counts.

                >But whhhhhhyyyyyyy doesn't he shoot the guns?
                He did early on. And the videos were kinda shitty because guess what, running the high speed camera and shooting at the same time is hard. Why does it matter who shoots the guns when the point is filming the effects? You seem awfully focused on that detail when it doesn't matter one bit.

                You're analyzing this awful hard, but at the same time you seem to know very little about it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why does it matter who shoots the guns
                because its fricking disturbing that a guntuber can't shoot guns on his guntube channel. it deserves an explanation, because the only possibilities are sinister.
                like for instance his magik camera only he can operate? this device is so arcane than he can't tutor someone on it in somewhat under a decade making videos?
                he can't buy a hands free model after all this time?
                what the hell is going on?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >guntuber can't shoot guns on his guntube channel.
                What makes you think it's "Cant" rather than "Doesn't"? Especially when you can see him shoot guns in his early videos?

                >he can't tutor someone on it in
                I'm sure he could, but what's the payoff for spending the effort? It requires no training to have someone else shoot. Remember, he has a high speed video channel, not a gun channel. He films hamsters and airplanes in slow-mo. If anything it makes more sense for him to run the camera.

                >hands free model
                high speed cameras generate massive data files very very quickly. Someone has to attend the camera and stop it the moment its captured whatever it is they want to capture. Also, lighting is really difficult for high speed photography, it doesn't auto adjust the aperature like your phone camera.

                >what the hell is going on?
                You tell me. You have wierd theories in your head, but you seem to know much about the channel. You seem totally unaware of all his real gun videos in which he shoots. You seem totally unware that it's a slow-mo video channel rather than a gun channel. You have no clue what's up with his camera despite him talking about it in many videos.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >totally unaware of all his real gun videos
                this is from 14 years ago so now he can't even shoot .22LR????

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm intrigued, please tell me more about your schizo theory

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would it be faisable to make a hole on a .45 acp round, pour some black powder and the put a primer on top? Would it work? Would it be like extremely dangerous?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >be 1911
      >fail to feed
      >slam top round against chamber wall
      >now you're hand granade

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's exactly what

      https://i.imgur.com/Ndx9za8.jpeg

      forgot pic

      describes, just very small. It wouldn't be very dangerous because there isn't much room in a .45 ACP bullet, it would be just a tiny pinch of gunpowder.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There will be two outcomes of this:
        One less hand or one funny afternoon

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no, it would just spit out the primer and cover. youd need a piston/sabot thing with the propellant (not just a primer) behind it
    whats even the point if it doesnt air burst?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    itd be legal, and it could work if its done in a similar way as the video, and it could be effective
    heres my reccomendation: fill the cavity that has the birdshot with a resin of sorts, this will keep the balls from shaking around and causing the aim to skew off, and if possible stack the birdshot as evenly as possible
    second, use a very hot load for a .22 blank, and you could get away with filling up some of the extra space in the bullet with gunpowder so long as you seal it properly, and keep it under a quarter ounce which should be ez enough to do

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