I was towing a bunch of stuff to the landfill yesterday, and it occurred to me that I hadn't really seen a lot of ground supply in Ukraine by reg...

I was towing a bunch of stuff to the landfill yesterday, and it occurred to me that I hadn't really seen a lot of ground supply in Ukraine by regular pick up truck and trailers. Seems like if the US wanted to help ground supply, it could provide a bunch of civilian trucks and goose neck trailers.
>you're moronic
Yeah probably. Let me know why I'm terribly wrong. Anyway, how about a militarized civilian vehicles from this war and any thread.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gooseneck example

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      A weapon mount system that uses the same connections so you can easily swap out a HMG for a TOW

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's actually a cool idea. Goose ball weapon mount.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a bad idea at first glance, but every that I have seen pickups used in this conflict they are hauling ass with troops and bare essentials on board. I don't think that the trucks are being used for purely supply transportation generally

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i've seen some of those videos. the ukrainians never really struck me as competent during them. it's one thing to pick guys up a ferry them around a battlefield. it's another to pick them up and drop them off in the middle of the same battlefield without any instructions.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because Germany, Italy, France, the Netherlands, Czech Republik and the US dumped a metric frickton of real trucks into Ukraine.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    nah it's far from moronic, the first few months there was loads of pics and video of supply runs being done in civilian cars. I think because regular trucks are so plentiful compared to pickups they don't use them for hauling supplies and the like.

    They're more interested in using pickups for technicals

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It is also your constitutional right to convert your pickup truck into a technical fighting vehicle

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ahhh this makes my dick hard and eyes water. I so miss Generals: Zero Hour, wish we could have a spiritual successor

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >let's just use a $90,000 luxury vehicle with no repair logistics.
    A deuce and a half is cheaper with more utility.
    Trailers aren't stable off-road.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >deuce and a half is cheaper with more utility.
      Hunk of shit that breaks down constantly recommendation and you're crying about logistics of one of the most durable products you can buy as a consumer? Dueces are fricking old as frick I don't think you can even buy those anymore. People were crying about the god old days back when the Walking Dead was still on TV.

      its been decades since youve build a proper work truck anyways, do you think they need some 70K overwieght truck ? some random GAZ pos is much better suited

      >some random GAZ pos is much better suited
      Lmao you wish. Super duty mogs anything GAZ had ever made. It's the base platform for at least three APCs in current Ukrainian service and is the base chassis of their "indigenous" Cossack apc too.

      https://i.imgur.com/ceIByQj.jpg

      >America donates their poorly made pickup trucks that constantly break down under normal civilian usage
      >to a warzone
      >where parts for these vehicles are non-existent

      Yes that sounds like an excellent idea.

      >Break down constantly
      Yes that's why every fleet in the US runs superduties.

      Anyone shitting on 3/4 ton diesel pickups doesn't know anything about vehicles. Only meme you guys didn't bring up was the land cruiser which is absolutely mogged by any of the big 3 trucks.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        As the entire thing is happening in Europe, the optimal truck would actually be a UNIMOG variant, something like the U3000. There are huge stocks, spares are in stock and built on the continent.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >with no repair logistics.
      >thinks a deuce and a half is easier to repair and has more spare parts
      Do you not know how large the commercial truck market is?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >luxury vehicle
      Use the commercial model, duh
      >no repair or logistics
      Literally, hundreds of thousands of people trained to repair these vehicles.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its been decades since youve build a proper work truck anyways, do you think they need some 70K overwieght truck ? some random GAZ pos is much better suited

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >America donates their poorly made pickup trucks that constantly break down under normal civilian usage
    >to a warzone
    >where parts for these vehicles are non-existent

    Yes that sounds like an excellent idea.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >American trucks
      >Breaking down
      My dude that's like the one vehicle type they do have that doesnt break down.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They are. Whole bunch of Toyotas, Nissans Dacias Mitsubishis and a few others. Yknow trucks made by competent manufacturers.

        Pulling a trailer on rough terrain sucks ass and just makes you a big unarmored target. Pickups are awesome because they're light and fast. That's what makes them great. It's why the CHADs did so well it's why the Desert patrol vehicle is just a buggy it's why the US Chevy Colorado based thing is even lighter. If you slow down you need armor. And light trucks Colorado, Hilux, Frontiers and so on are a lot better than heavier 1/2 ton trucks. My Dakota is way better off-road than 1500s just by being a smaller lighter vehicle.

        Lol no.
        >Hemi: Eats lifters and cam Aisin trans is OK, ZF 8 speed explodes
        >Cummins: Good transmission: horrible (unless it's G56)
        >F Series: timing issues, diesel is probably the worst one on the market not that the duratec is good, new joint venture 10 speed is a garbage fire the 6 speed was OK.
        >LS ruined by DOD and bunch of shit, transmission sucks, emission system sucks, duratec sucks, allision is OK most of the time 10 speed sucks 6lXX sucks

        That's just engine and transmission, not even gonna bother bringing up the host of other issues like RAM heater cores ALL failing as soon as warranty ends, and the cayote timing chain tensioner issue and the VVT solenoid issue that likes to cause detonation. It's all a mess.

        t.build motors for a living.

        Also buying a Korean car is the worst decision you can make, they're not even good for fleet use.

        F series is THE best selling vehicle in the US and has been since the birth of the nation, or so they say. God only knows what truly goes on that forsaken dark continent of CORN and BIG SKY.

        This is a meme, ford guys love to say this but it's just cos GM separates their trucks into Chevy and GMC. Actual figures:
        2020: F series: 787,422. Sierra: 253,014 + Silverado: 594,094 = 847,108
        2022 F series: 653,957. Sierra: 241,521 + Silverado: 523,249 = 764,770
        As you can see GM MOGS FORD but ford just has 1 line. GM for comfort Chevy for work.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Buggies suck though.
          You're degrading your crew's performance a metric frickton just for hurr durr oper8or points, simple as.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The new Ford 7.3 gasser is a fricking monster that they're shoving in everything from F250s to F750s. I'd be happy with one. Reminds me of the old v10s in uhauls.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The Godzilla aka ford forgetting how to make a pushrod engine. Seriously they've been around 2 years and they already have camshaft and lifter issues. There's some head lift issues as well but that's probably isolated incidents. I don't understand how considering it's not even a cylinder deactivation engine. There's also the cam phaser issues and sensors. It's overall a really simple engine but I think poor material quality is gonna make an otherwise good engine bad. Oh also oiling issues on high idle engines probably because oil control rings clog.

            >You can crane/fork stuff into a van just fine
            Forks sure. Crane no. How do you not hit the roof with your cable/chain?

            Not that it’s a frequent occurrence by any means, but you can have a skidsteer drop a bucket or dirt or mulch into the back of a truck. Can’t with a van

            >How do you not hit the roof with your cable/chain
            make chain really close to the boom, and ofc small cranes and hoists. I do it routinely. Pic related, entire drivetrain from a 07 ram 1500. And i do this weekly, there's an LY6 drivetrain in the van right now.

            >Not that it’s a frequent occurrence by any means, but you can have a skid steer drop a bucket or dirt or mulch into the back of a truck. Can’t with a van
            Sure, but you say it yourself not a frequent occurrence, moving many solid smallish objects is much more common. Don't get me wrong trucks have their place and I'm a truck guy, but when moneys to be made a van is the way to go. it's cheaper to buy, better on gas , my lil sienna can tow 5000 braked (tow package with trans cooler), can be used to seat more if workers are needed, has just over 7ft from door closed to seat back, protects cargo from rain and snow/ice is especially bad, roof capacity for putting even more shit on it I've put 2 rear ends side by side on the roof, much easier to drive i can hand any of my employees the key and say go (drives like a Camry) and my van is pretty great cos it's an old toyota so maintainece is almost optional (I'm like 120 thousand over my timing belt interval but no fears because it's a non interference engine.) I love my truck, more than my van but my van keeps me in business, trucks for clout. Transmissions going, hate dodge.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >7.3
            YES
            >gasser
            AYEEE MODERNIZE AND BRING BACK THE OLD ONE (but hold all the gay legislated baggage)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Hemi: Eats lifters and cam Aisin trans is OK, ZF 8 speed explodes
          >Cummins: Good transmission: horrible (unless it's G56)
          >F Series: timing issues, diesel is probably the worst one on the market not that the duratec is good, new joint venture 10 speed is a garbage fire the 6 speed was OK.
          >LS ruined by DOD and bunch of shit, transmission sucks, emission system sucks, duratec sucks, allision is OK most of the time 10 speed sucks 6lXX sucks
          You aren't very good at shitting on stuff. You realize that right? For every issue you mentioned, you pointed out an option the truck can come with that you consider good. What's even your point?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        have you literally never seen a ford in your life before

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      would F150's have trouble with parts? aren't they like one of the best selling vehicles in the US?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        F series is THE best selling vehicle in the US and has been since the birth of the nation, or so they say. God only knows what truly goes on that forsaken dark continent of CORN and BIG SKY.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          GMT1XX platform out sells whole F series by a large margin. Gets devided up by Chevy / GMC / Cadillac and Sliverado, Suburban, Yukon, and Serria.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Ukraine is not the USA.

        >deuce and a half is cheaper with more utility.
        Hunk of shit that breaks down constantly recommendation and you're crying about logistics of one of the most durable products you can buy as a consumer? Dueces are fricking old as frick I don't think you can even buy those anymore. People were crying about the god old days back when the Walking Dead was still on TV.

        [...]
        >some random GAZ pos is much better suited
        Lmao you wish. Super duty mogs anything GAZ had ever made. It's the base platform for at least three APCs in current Ukrainian service and is the base chassis of their "indigenous" Cossack apc too.

        [...]
        >Break down constantly
        Yes that's why every fleet in the US runs superduties.

        Anyone shitting on 3/4 ton diesel pickups doesn't know anything about vehicles. Only meme you guys didn't bring up was the land cruiser which is absolutely mogged by any of the big 3 trucks.

        They use F-series because they are the absolute cheapest trucks available, GM can't even come close to what Ford sells their trucks for in bulk orders. Ford's margins on those sales are fricking razor thin, like 1.5%, but because they sell a frickload they make their money back over all.

        All North American trucks are shit. Buy a fricking Tundra if you want a MADE IN AMERICA truck that isn't a complete and utter piece of shit.

        inb4 towing/payload, none of you actually do any real work with your trucks

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The Ukraine is not the USA.
          well no obviously they aren't. but for the sake of entertaining the idea "what if they used pickups for more logistics", and combining that with the fact the US has been supplying Ukraine with literal boatloads of material, the first pickup to come to my non-American brain when I think of America is the Ford F150, and if I'm thinking of that being supplied to Ukraine then obviously I have to think of the overhead associated with maintaining them.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            they have no reason to do so when they have stuff like Mercedes trucks and vans at their disposal. I have seen some footage of trucks being used, CivDiv was riding around in a RAM1500 at one point but they're just not as useful as vans overall. you're generally not towing 12,000lbs through a muddy field and no American truck would do that in deep mud anyways, you'd just opt for a proper military vehicle at that point.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I mean more like rear line supply on the road. You can move a lot of stuff with a flatty and some ratcheting straps.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                because bears are more fun and more reliable

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Buy a fricking Tundra if you want a MADE IN AMERICA truck that isn't a complete and utter piece of shit.
          Tundra's are moronicly overbuilt. They use a 3rd member diff on all their trucks even the little tacos use a 3rd member diff. And the Tundra rear end is a 10.5 inch ring. For comparison a 1500 GM HDs are 9.5 and ford uses a 8.8 ring. Ram uses a 9.25 ring. The front axles are 34 spline rear is 36. Again compared to say the f150 the rear on those is a 30/34 and front is a 28/32. Even stuff like how much steel is on the control arms, the transmissions are 3/4 ton rated. The transfer cases are gear driven not chain driven, and the selector has powder metal gears in it not nylon like all the new process cases. For a 1500 truck all the components are stupid overbuilt, they could make a Tundra 2500 by just reinforcing the frame. It's obvious they just used parts from the Landcruiser line but yea it's proper.

          https://i.imgur.com/7yu7Y1V.jpg

          Buggies suck though.
          You're degrading your crew's performance a metric frickton just for hurr durr oper8or points, simple as.

          You say that but they where and are GOAT for light recon and patrol. These things where just VW beetle based sand rails and they rocked. Niche but awesome. Gulf war can't be wrong. Still using them there's the LSV and ALSV. Actually even Ukraine has vw based buggies.

          >vastly superior
          >until you have to load anything that cant be lifted by hand

          That's a meme. You can crane/fork stuff into a van just fine. My primary work car is an old Sienna. I build engines transmissions, transfer cases rear ends etc etc. I've put engine trans transfer case all assembled right in the back. No problems at all. Idk what the weight limit is but I've had 2 454 big blocks, a 350 small block and a pair of th400s -and complete- in the back. I still have a truck but it gets less use. Best part is everything is protected in a van, i'm not worried about a freshly machined block getting wet if i leave in the car.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Toyota still has PTSD from the Tacoma frame rot issues of the 1990s so everything they produced moving forward was overbuilt. The FJ Cruisers are basically little tanks made in their HINO factory, they are heavy but ridiculously well made with beefy frames and massive brakes. People like to shit on Toyota for using old stuff like the 4.0L V6 but that engine is so stout there's no reason to retire it. It's a shame they moved away from the 5.7 in the Tundra but I get that the Government EcoJews often force this shit upon us too.

            >tfw no Mogul converted to a technical with .50cal on the back

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You can crane/fork stuff into a van just fine
            Forks sure. Crane no. How do you not hit the roof with your cable/chain?

            Not that it’s a frequent occurrence by any means, but you can have a skidsteer drop a bucket or dirt or mulch into the back of a truck. Can’t with a van

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      donates their poorly made pickup trucks that constantly break down under normal civilian usage
      >Says the europoor who’s never driven one
      Please tell me. Where are all these broken trucks? Are they in the room with us right now?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm American homosexual, I've used and owned Ford, Chev, and a RAM. They're all cheap dogshit you butthurt nationalist c**t.

        If they want Ukraine to lose this war the best thing to do would be to donate tons of American trucks to them.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You still didn’t answer

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you didn't ask a question you frickin moron

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Where are all these broken trucks? Are they in the room with us right now?
              Are you illiterate? See this is another question. The curly thing above the dot at the end of a sentence indicates a question

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There's a reason you don't see US manufactured trucks used as technicals.
        Inb4 europoor I'm American

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Checked. But it’s cost not quality. Cost = availability. I do love small frame toyotas but the reason you don’t see 3/4 ton diesels in durka durkastan is they aren’t purchased there. Not because they inherently suck

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >ywn see a crew cab longbed 3/4 or 1 ton pickup truck with machine guns AND rocket pods all in the same truck bed because muhammad max is too poor

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Be the change you want to see in the world. The 250th anniversary of the revolution is near

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not actually true, Saudis have tons of American trucks and lots of jihadis end up with them, remember mark 1 plumbing? There's lots out there but they genuinely just don't last as long maybe not for unreliability reasons but just lack of parts and knowledge. The entire Saudi taxi market is American trucks you hail a cab a yukon or a panther pulls up. But the police fleet is FJ cruisers. Simply put you go to Saudi Arabia, new cars galore lots of American, German and everything really even weird Chinese stuff. but all the old stuff is primarily Toyota and other Japanese.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Anon what do the Saudi’s have that places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, or Syria don’t? Money. And lots of it.

              That said, modern diesels have a shitload of emissions controls and computer control which do cause issues (at a minimum open the door for more issues). Fixing those is a pain in the ass and certainly for a country without the industrial support. For that, a 30-40 year old Toyota is better. Strip that shit away and at their core they are just as reliable.

              >The entire Saudi taxi market is American trucks you hail a cab a yukon or a panther pulls up
              Which is completely contrary to the “lol they break down on normal highway driving” claim

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon what do the Saudi’s have that places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, or Syria don’t? Money. And lots of it.
                Most of these groups are funded by very wealthy businessmen and most of their trucks come through SA and Pakistan, and actually you're wrong on this as far as money goes. The trucks supplied to SA and export aren't the expensive land yachts of America, a 2022 sierra is about 50k USD over there a 2022 Hilux is 44k, and also used Toyotas are still stupid expensive. and you don't have to believe me go ahead to any Saudi car website. I work with importers bringing stuff from SA into Canada and US. Stuff like land cruisers are really profitable to bring in but the customs have become a b***h last 2 years.

                >For that, a 30-40 year old Toyota is better
                Well see that's the thing, these guys are using 30-40 year old trucks, they're using 10 year old trucks. A 10 year old ram Cummins is a 2013 truck with all the emissions and electrical mess. The problem is US emission standards are morono so US cars are built to US emissions.

                >Which is completely contrary to the “lol they break down on normal highway driving” claim
                SA economy is massive or tourism, so things like Taxis are big businesses with lots of incentives so you won't find a taxi older than 5 years. Unless it's the small within city stuff in which case it's all old Toyotas Hondas kias dihatsus and all that driving in an American car is clout over there. Remember their business comes from Muslims mostly who are from lots of countries most have never seen American cars. Germans ain't got shit on how massive American cars look compared to everyone else. I have not seen many old American cars except panthers. When SA was getting rich, the panthers got huge because it's a big imposing American car and ford happily supplied them. Also the Caprice Those are the old Americans you'll see a lot of.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      these trucks last 200k+ without any maintenance other than oil changes

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The part shortage has made it tough for even normals here to get the truck they want at a reasonable price. What do you think would happen if Uncle SAM made it so Cletus could only get an F-150 or Ram on the black market with 100k and 3 months of wait time?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Thats because americans are the only morons that uses pick ups.
    Europeans use the vastly superior van

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      At my workplace we are using a fleet of various pickup tucks and vans and for 90% of jobs we are doing vans > pickups. Mainly because bed floor on Iveco Daily is awfully high. Also everyone loves that Renault Master with a coffeemaker.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I´ve always wondered: do you have anything like pick related in the US?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Of course, America builds the best work trucks on the planet. Medium duty can be had with common equipment like box bodies, flatbeds, or dump beds. They're often ordered as a chassis cab by specialty manufacturers for things like electrical service trucks, airport catering lifters, or oilfield pump trucks.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >America builds the best work trucks on the planet
            Toyota is the insurgent battlewagon of choice though

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Due to availability.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >availability
                Cost efficiency is a part of what makes a good product.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >America builds the best work trucks on the planet
            lol no. Isuzu and Hino are the global face of light and medium duty trucks. MAN would probably be the European one. Nobody outside of the US has a Chevy. Toyota group net worth is 202 billion, VAG is i think close to 300billlion. GM is like 56 and everyone else isn't worth mentioning.

            europeans have this.. complex.. a fixated revulsion towards pickup trucks. they are too big and too wasteful for their tastes. in their minds a micro hatchback is plenty enough for them. if you haven't seen much pickup use in ukraine that's probably why. that and ukraine was a poor country even before the war. coincidentally i never hear about europeans criticizing middle easterners for their use of trucks. every rebel group has a small fleet of cia funded pickup trucks, but they seem to be absent in ukraine. i'd argue even a thin skinned hilux or f150 would be more useful in the supply role than surplus hmmwvs and mraps etc.

            It's because a pickup is a commercial vehicle, euros are weird with tiny cars. The pickup in north America is what the old school sedans used to be. The people wanted their v8.

            >i'd argue even a thin skinned Hilux or f150 would be more useful in the supply role than surplus hmmwvs and mraps etc.
            MRAPs and Humvees are troop transport not supply, so a closer comparison is:

            https://i.imgur.com/UO550dB.jpg

            >the answer is
            picrel

            All this moronic van homosexualry forgets that with a proper truck you can have both a roof AND remove it as necessary AND get your ass out of the raspubreastsa mud

            or HEMTT the problem with these trucks is they're big and heavy resource intensive and need specialized training and maintainece and recovery vehicles. The problem with thin skinned is anything will kill them, drones, artillery mines small arms etc etc, they're just not a good idea to drive to a combat zone. You can get Humvees with a bed but they're small and they're not particularly heavy armored unless you maybe the armored humvees the SCTV.

            The way US operated with multiple FOBs and observation bases that all fall under a MOB is the proper way to do it. You avoid stretching logistics and worrying about your vehicles, by having well defended bases not too far away, and it can be supported by other bases that themselves aren't too far away. If an FOB doesn't have an airfield there's probably one 20 minutes (by plane) away, and FOBs have their own artillery and artillery defense CRAMs their own observation stations stuff like balloons.

            I don't know how people drive those fricking boats. My first car was a 95 Ram my dad dumped on me, extended bed, cab etc. Happiest day of my life when I offloaded that thing for a Dakota- god I miss that little truck.

            Daks are the best American truck. Same frame as the ram, same 4.7 on the ram and yes the hemi is an easy fit, same transmission same 9.25 rear end. It was a 1/4t body with1/2t guts. They got rid of them for cutting into ram sales. Only truck I'd argue better was T100 and Tundra.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >vastly superior
      >until you have to load anything that cant be lifted by hand

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You can use pallets and forklifts with the superior van.
        Americans are just moronic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >putting any amount of weight on that little b***h axle

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's a promaster van 2500 or 3500 it has the same axle weight carrying capacity as a 2500 or 3500 truck because that's how load capacity works.

            these trucks last 200k+ without any maintenance other than oil changes

            Hahaha, not unless it's from 2005. And even then >triton plugs through the roof, 4l60 goes PNNNNN, 545rfe explodes

            https://i.imgur.com/Iclw4Qo.jpg

            (contemporary) pickup trucks have the advantage of having a comparatively high offroad capability (relatively high engine power, large wheelspan, large tires, good weight distribution). This comes at the disadvantage of having a very high fuel consumption, inconvenient loading capabilities and a surprisingly low loading weight. Ukraine uses a lot of light commercial vehicles instead.

            So if lets compare the two most archetypical vehicles of the respective class:

            Mercedes Sprinter (values depend on the shitloads of models):
            Max load: 925kg to 2649kg / 2039 pounds to 5840 pounds
            Fuel efficiency (highway): 14-17 mpg
            Loading Area dimensions (depending on model): Length: 2,7m to 4,8m / 9 to 16 feet, Width: 1,78m / 6 feet, Height: 1,8m-to 2,24m / 6 to 7,5 feet
            Convenient and robust roof that protects your load from the elements: yes

            Ford F 150:
            Max load (depending on model): 635 to 1496 kg / 1400 to 3300 pounds
            Fuel efficiency (highway): 24 mpg
            Loading bed dimensions: Length: 1,7m / 5,6 feet, Width: 1,3m / 4,25 feet
            Absence of annoying superstructure to gain unlimited load hight: yes

            So you sort of got your answer right there. Ukraine still has a lot of good roads, and LCV have a surprisingly good off-road capabilitiy, most euro countries use them for all sort of construction duties. I do not think it is near anywhere as good as pickup, but it is probably worth it in the cost benefit analysis.

            Pic related is only tangentially related, at the beginning of the invasion a Ukrainian commander asked a middle manager in the german mail he knew for some help, and he gave him 6 of his delivery LCVs.

            video: https:// twitter. com/ronzheimer/status/1508041912229507083

            >this national defense brought to you by DHL

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          A: Vast majority of companies will simply refuse to load that with a fork lift
          B: can't handle a full pallet

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How about Ukraine goes and frick itself instead of asking for gibs? Our economy is fricking tanking, the federal government is a moronic democrat mess, and we're being invaded officially on both sides of the borders now. Frick Ukraine. Frick Russia too, the yuros should clean that shit up but they're a bunch of limp-wristed homosexuals.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yess prease. America need more isorationist poricies. No more meddering in grobar poritics.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If we're meddling we should do it right and fricking kill something, loot their shit, and take their women. Otherwise we have shit at home to worry about.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Look at Ukraine, understand that this is cheaper than GWOT and laugh your ass off.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            At least with GWOT we were keeping our knife sharp, this is just some MIC israelite shit. Neither are preferable.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >implying defense procurement doesn't keep the knife sharp
              Where do you think that knife comes from, anon?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Meaning or personnel and infrastructure therein, moron.
                Just look at the Arabs, you can have all the neat toys you want but they don't mean shit if you can't use them correctly and with redundancy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      But, but, but they say what we give ukraine is old and we would never use it. In fact, they say, it's cheaper to do this than demil, destroy it so we win, they say.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They already use actual truck trucks, so the pickups are redundant. Plus the mentioned parts thing.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You ever towed a trailer through mud? It doesn't work. For highway stuff they are fine but off road, no. And if you are going to send highway-only trucks you would ship proper class-8 semis like Kenworths with 53' spread axle flatbeds. You wouldn't frick around with these little light-duty Fords and Chevys. What's the fricking point?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't mean for off-road anon. I mean rear area supply, among the other unarmored vehicles.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >You wouldn't frick around with these little light-duty Fords and Chevys. What's the fricking point?
      They already exist in larger quantities than semis, easily accessible, and people are used to driving them. And they have the upside of being pretty decent off road vehicles on their own.

      It’s basically the first world version of 30 year old hilux’s

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't we donate mules instead?
    >No technical maintenance whatsoever
    >Up to 200kg of payload
    >Can be used to resupply trenches or other tight areas, even urban areas if you protect their hoofs
    >Bonus sympathy point every time one is killed by a Vatnik strike

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Eastern europeans are poor and can't afford enough stuff to justify a trailer, let alone the trailer.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Plus it would require organization which they seem allergic too

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you almost answer your own question.
    >logistics
    US sends money to buy trucks, they buy trucks. It would be a waste of money to ship trucks.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    (contemporary) pickup trucks have the advantage of having a comparatively high offroad capability (relatively high engine power, large wheelspan, large tires, good weight distribution). This comes at the disadvantage of having a very high fuel consumption, inconvenient loading capabilities and a surprisingly low loading weight. Ukraine uses a lot of light commercial vehicles instead.

    So if lets compare the two most archetypical vehicles of the respective class:

    Mercedes Sprinter (values depend on the shitloads of models):
    Max load: 925kg to 2649kg / 2039 pounds to 5840 pounds
    Fuel efficiency (highway): 14-17 mpg
    Loading Area dimensions (depending on model): Length: 2,7m to 4,8m / 9 to 16 feet, Width: 1,78m / 6 feet, Height: 1,8m-to 2,24m / 6 to 7,5 feet
    Convenient and robust roof that protects your load from the elements: yes

    Ford F 150:
    Max load (depending on model): 635 to 1496 kg / 1400 to 3300 pounds
    Fuel efficiency (highway): 24 mpg
    Loading bed dimensions: Length: 1,7m / 5,6 feet, Width: 1,3m / 4,25 feet
    Absence of annoying superstructure to gain unlimited load hight: yes

    So you sort of got your answer right there. Ukraine still has a lot of good roads, and LCV have a surprisingly good off-road capabilitiy, most euro countries use them for all sort of construction duties. I do not think it is near anywhere as good as pickup, but it is probably worth it in the cost benefit analysis.

    Pic related is only tangentially related, at the beginning of the invasion a Ukrainian commander asked a middle manager in the german mail he knew for some help, and he gave him 6 of his delivery LCVs.

    video: https:// twitter. com/ronzheimer/status/1508041912229507083

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Brother, you are comparing a cargo van to a light truck.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes I did. If you look at the numbers you see why the Ukies prefer the cargo van over the light truck. I´d say that the greatest strength of the Pickup is that it is a generalist. It can sort of do a lot of things. The problem is that more specialized vehicles will always do one specific task better and cheaper, as the stats above prove. If you have a farm and have a 100k vehicle budget it makes sense to invest it in a generalist vehicle to do a lot of tasks (eg towing, bulk transport, offroad capabilitiy), even if you might have to take two trips instead of one. Because buying a specialist vehicle would mean not being able to do two of the tasks at all. If you are running a military logistics network, have confidence on being able to coordinate it reasonably well and have a 40m vehicle budget it makes much more sense to invest in different vehicles for each of those roles, that are specialized on one task (eg. heavy trucks, LCV, actual offroad vehicles).
        Pickups are much cooler than vans though, if it makes you feel any better.

        https://i.imgur.com/vzkflU4.jpg

        Yes, but can the sprinter van do this?

        No, towing is another area where the Pickup is vastly superior to the van.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >the Ukies prefer the cargo van over the light truck
          "for roadbound logistics"
          is a disclaimer that I feel is necessary

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I already wrote this in my first post. The pickup has vastly superior offroad capabilities. Evenso your typical pickup is not an actual offroad vehicle. There are also specialists for that, I don´t know, but I suspect the Ukies use actual military offroad vehicles for that role.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >No, towing is another area where the Pickup is vastly superior to the van.
          Not true actually. A savanna tows 10 thousand lbs. The frame is plenty strong it's literally a truck the vans just don't offer the same axle transmission and engine to not cut into the truck market. There's no Duramax savanna for like 7 years. Same reason until recently they all got rid of the 1/4 ton trucks, the last Dakota was built on the same platform as the ram 1500, so it was a 1/4 ton truck with 1/2 strength. Stuff like the Sonoma and Ranger where also really respectable GM and Toyota where smart to never drop the Colorado/Canyon and Taco, their value is through the roof right now. 1/4 ton trucks are as valuable as 2500s right now, it's why ford brought back not 1 but 2 light trucks and Chrysler brought back the gladiator. Even hyundai has a ute thing. 1500s aren't doing to well because gas prices have made them too uneconomical for anyone who can't write off most of the gas.

          Also off-roading a smaller truck is better than a bigger one. You will die if you off-road your dually 3500 nomatter how much 4x4 and Cummins you have. There's a reason all the offroad guys climbing the moab are using small and light cars. And the idea that vans can't off-road is BS too the old astrovan is still awesome mudding and climbing, the 2nd gen Sienna with the alltrac based AWD is like a rally car and the symmetrical system means it can climb a 40 degree grade. It's just build purpose.

          >Hemi: Eats lifters and cam Aisin trans is OK, ZF 8 speed explodes
          >Cummins: Good transmission: horrible (unless it's G56)
          >F Series: timing issues, diesel is probably the worst one on the market not that the duratec is good, new joint venture 10 speed is a garbage fire the 6 speed was OK.
          >LS ruined by DOD and bunch of shit, transmission sucks, emission system sucks, duratec sucks, allision is OK most of the time 10 speed sucks 6lXX sucks
          You aren't very good at shitting on stuff. You realize that right? For every issue you mentioned, you pointed out an option the truck can come with that you consider good. What's even your point?

          Are you moronic? You're gonna go to every manufacturer and tell them to assemble you a chimera truck? No you buy a cummins you're stuck with the garbage transmission and garbage fiat built around it. You buy a gm or ford you're stuck with the emissions and garbage transmission, you buy a diesel well now you have other issues. I do this for a living, the reason old trucks where great is because a lot of safety and emission laws didn't apply to them back in the day, now they do.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but can the sprinter van do this?

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    try using this in the country mud while dodging artillery shells dumbo

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Things break very easily on new plastic vehicles.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    europeans have this.. complex.. a fixated revulsion towards pickup trucks. they are too big and too wasteful for their tastes. in their minds a micro hatchback is plenty enough for them. if you haven't seen much pickup use in ukraine that's probably why. that and ukraine was a poor country even before the war. coincidentally i never hear about europeans criticizing middle easterners for their use of trucks. every rebel group has a small fleet of cia funded pickup trucks, but they seem to be absent in ukraine. i'd argue even a thin skinned hilux or f150 would be more useful in the supply role than surplus hmmwvs and mraps etc.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, it seems like light trucks with winches would be good off-road when the mud season isn't on. Dualies with flat beds in rear supply would be good. At least both of these things supplement existing military vehicles anyway. All I mean by the post is that the US could conceivably ship frick ton of pickup trucks over there with relative ease, and fairly cheap. (I would guess)

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ... so the answer is to create an offroad van bros?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the answer is
      picrel

      All this moronic van homosexualry forgets that with a proper truck you can have both a roof AND remove it as necessary AND get your ass out of the raspubreastsa mud

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine has a plethora of tactical trucks. Urals, MAZ, KraAZ, UNIMOG, MTV,etc. The list is impressive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine#Cargo_vehicles
        Still, pick related costs +300k and uses a lot of fuel. It is not necessary to use such assets unless necessary.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not all of those are all-terrain logistics vehicles, which is what they need
          Ukraine can requisition civilian vehicles of all kinds if needed for roadbound logistics
          It's going through muddy fields to avoid being interdicted on roads that's the problem

          The whole reason why the war has focused on those few axes of advance is because they are situated on highways. Neither side has sufficient logistics capability to change that. Besides supplying tanks and IFVs for breakthrough, offroad logistics vehicles is 1 other way to change the status quo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I like the bucket. Military contractors never manage to make a working seal.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Based regular cab dually. All I see on the road anymore is four door long beds with fricking tonneaus so the bed doesn't get dirty. Driven by manlets.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know how people drive those fricking boats. My first car was a 95 Ram my dad dumped on me, extended bed, cab etc. Happiest day of my life when I offloaded that thing for a Dakota- god I miss that little truck.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Some rich anon can buy this and donate it to Ukraine
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165763135068

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >rents a truck and a trailer for the first time
    >”omg this is so cool I have a trailer! It’s like I am in Ukraine!

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    In a war resources are scarcer than normally. Using these gas guzzlers would be counterproductive. Modern American pickup trucks are luxury items and status symbols, far away from something like a Toyota Hilux.

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