I want to buy my first 1911. I have a half dozen 9mm handguns (strikers and wondernines) but want a plain old .45 1911. I want a quality gun but it doesn’t have to be fancy and all customized and stuff, even just a basic GI pattern model that if I want I can tinker with. What is the best bang for your buck? I don’t want to spend more than $1000-$1200, lesser is even better. I’m currently on the fence between a used Colt (either series 70 or 80, preferably 70 but wouldn’t turn down an 80 if it was a good deal) or a used Norinco (forged from hard steel and are a great base to work on from for a $600 gun or just to keep stock and enjoy until the end of time).
>I want a quality 1911
>don't want to spend more than 1k
just get a 300-dollar tisas and get it out of your system.
I wouldn’t be opposed to spending more but I don’t need like a Wilson or something. Maybe a used Dan Wesson or something would be cool but I don’t need anything fancy.
I’ve thought about it but still
>roach gun
Ew
Its a good gun anon.
>Ew
yeah, but it's fucking 300-400 dollars and works. forged steel frame, not cast.
you'd rather have a norinco chink gun which is honestly fucking disgusting
Norinco chink gun made from scrap railroad steel that is so hard gunsmiths refuse to work on them unless you provide bits and is only like $500
If you can get a decent Norinco 1911 for that kind of money you DAMN WELL better jump on it, and I mean yesterday. All the ones I see are well over $650.00 for rough looking examples.
>made from scrap railroad steel
Kek, still wish I wouldve bought a MINT Norchinko 1911 at the last gun show I was at for $600.
Tisas is gtg and so fucking cheap it's stupid to not get it. Get a M1911A1 Tisas and scratch the itch. If you genuinely want to spend more then get a Kimber Custom II for $750, they are nice for the price.
Kimbers have full length guide rods
Is this a problem or something? I didnt see OP mention anything about full length guide rods, just that he wouldnt mind a basic GI model.
Every 1911 with a full length guide rod is a piece of shit.
I have 2k through my Kimber and have experienced no issues. Why do you think this? There's multiple high-end 1911 models from Wilson Combat, Dan Wesson, Night Hawk Custom, etc. And if you don't like it replace it for $20.
Let's see your 1911(s) actually, since you have such a strong opinion. Show me the strike-face too so I can determine round count myself.
Dipshit, back up your claims.
>Kimbers have full length guide rods
$10-$20 to swap out to the stubbie guide rod.
Full length is better. All I ever used in competition.
Dude said they suck ass and didnt even back it up I've never heard anyone say this shit and if anything I've heard people more fond of full length guide rods if anything.
The Kimber FLGR is one of the best, because it's still short enough to take down normally without having to use a paperclip or allen wrench. The ones you need tools to field strip are a massive pain in the ass. I switched the FLRGs in my Springfields to GI ones for that reason. A FLGR adds a hair of weight out front and can theoretically prevent the recoil spring from binding inside the frame if the GI guide rod tilts and wedges in the slide if you fuck up reassembly. But there's pretty much no appreciable difference in function. I won't replace a GI if my gun comes with one, but I won't replace a FLGR if it doesn't become an inconvenience either.
Yeah, I've heard people complain about how it adds to disassembly but my Custom II guide rod is easy to remove, I just have to pull the recoil spring off through the front or else it wont clear the barrel swivel but other than that it's easy. Have a couple thousand rounds through it and have had no issue so far.
Very nice. Kimbers are perfectly fine these days, I want to pick up a TLE someday.
Tisas are unironically solid 1911s, doubly so for the price, and especially if you want the GI look instead of some boomer racegun.
Moreover, I WILL be that person and tell you that 1911s are absolutely not worth the inordinate amount of money boomers and fudds are willing to shell out for them. Get a cheap beater and have fun with it.
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I often see used Dan Wesson 1911s on Gunbroker for as low as $1,300
This. You need to buy a Dan Wesson which is $1600+ to even scratch the bottom of the barrel of the reliable and accurate 1911s out there.
Go for it. I am with the boomers 100% on this. 1911 is the best pistol ever made.
This. I wuvs my Tisas 1911. It is far better than any $350 pistol from Turkey has a right to be. I would even go as far to say that it is as good or better than 1911s that are twice the price.
Quads of truth.
That is why you never negotiate with terrorists.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911-a1-45-acp-pistol-wwii-cerakote-w-walnut-grips.html
There you are. As basic as you can get and built like grandpappy's asiatic blaster.
Ignore the bitchers here. It might be Turkish but it is the one (1) good roach firearms company. Almost every rule has an exception.
It also has a long track of good reviews. I like mine.
Like what was already said, get a Tisas. They're fine.
Springfield Garrison
>Springfield Garrison
Good piece but on the upper end of OP's range.
The Norinco 1911's were okay as well, but OP is not going to find one for what he can get a Tisas for.
nice ballerina
Need to find a replacement mag catch for it, the one in it is rough. But parts for Ballbuster-Molestinas are scarce. It shoots fine otherwise. Just crunches a bit.
I was just happy to find the Tisas interchanged 100% with my WW2 Colt.
Also, Norinco 1911s were fucking GOATd. Back in the day there was even a few comp 1911 makers that actually bought Norincos just for the forged steel frame and they just tossed/ sold the slide and everything else and built their guns off the frame only.
>source: some autistic boomer that I met at a gunshow who knew everything about commie guns
Springfield mill spec is pretty nice for a classic look with some of the more decent updated features.. while still being under 1k and made in America… which normally isn’t something I sperge out in on a gun, but feels important for a 1911..
Yes I eyelashed it… if you don’t know what that is and your buying a 1911 then don’t worry, you’ll do it too.
>buying anything Springfield after what happened
Ishygddt
What happened now, zoomer homosexual?
It happened years ago but basically Springfield Armory "unknowingly/ accidentally" donated to an Anti-gun campaign in Illinois. They apologized and basically said "Whoops, did I do that?" after they got called the fuck out. The going theory was they did it to try to get into good favor with the campaign leaders so they wouldnt go after them but Springfield just says they didnt know what the fuck it actually was. Happened in like 2018 iirc.
Yeah, I heard about that. I give zero fucks. They are not anti-2A if they are selling shit loads of guns all over the country. They make some good guns. That's all I fucking care about.
Obviously they're not anti-2a but they had no problem donating to an anti-gun campaign to get in good favor with them.
>Obviously they're not anti-2a but they had no problem donating to an anti-gun campaign to get in good favor with them.
Meh, I don't care.
The continue consuming, friend.
Yes, I will continue buying good guns from companies that make good guns. Kthanxbye.
Post the Springfield guns you own
>Obviously they're not anti-2a but they had no problem donating to an anti-gun campaign to get in good favor with them.
not even close. the illinois firearm manufacturing association tried to do a deal with the state government to get less fucked in the last round of dealer regulation. springfield is a member of the association. they had previously used the ifma to lobby anti-gun politicians to be less anti-gun. springfield said they weren't aware of the action and withdrew from the association. they then threw in with the nra to fight the bill in court. rock river was the same but no one seems to talk about them.
fucks sake this story changes every time someone half-remembers it.
>thinking any gun manufacturer that’s bigger than a custom shop really cares about you…
Ishygddt.
>buying from a company that donates to anti-gun campaigns
Ishygddt
Clean your fucking room, kiddo
The only people with clean garages are either ocd crazy, or don’t actually have the skill or ability to slowly collect house projects.
Springfield 1911A1. I got mine for $500, but that was like 5 years ago now. Probably like $650 now.
Just get a RIA 1911. They are like $400 or so these days.
I've been happy with mine, it doesnt like hollow points, but has no issues with fmj.
Good gun, has killed alot of wild boars.
RIA use to be the go-to for cheap 1911s but not Tisas is absolutely dominating sales of cheapo Cult Fo-Fives and it's because they're cheaper and better (supposedly), also always hated that RAI insignia on the slide.
>also always hated that RAI insignia on the slide.
they took that billboard off a decade ago now
You mean this? Because this is what I'm talking about. They're still on them.
It used to be way worse
You're right, that looks like shit. They can't think anyone fucking likes that shit, can they? Just take the branding shit the fuck off completely.
That was the cost of a cheap 1911. Sure it wasn’t expensive but they were gonna use your ass for advertising.
wanna hear something funny/sad?
California has a handgun roster (list of handguns deemed safe to buy).
if a manufacturer makes any changes besides color or sights the handgun not safe and is removed from sale in the state.
when RIA switched from the giant "ROCK ISLAND ARMORY" logo on the side of the slides to the much smaller logo
it violated the roster rules and several RIA 1911's were no longer safe for sale in California
and they had to be resubmitted to DOJ for drop safe testing
Be cautious with some recent ones, they seem to have weak recoil springs.
Symptoms are- It'll kick hard and have trouble feeding much of anything except ball ammo, and the first part you'll break is the barrel bushing (it's a casting).
A proper 16 pound recoil spring and a 23 pound hammer spring (and replacing the likely now damaged bushing and weird spring plug) fixes them. They used a thicker, cast and machined recoil spring plug that seems to slam into the guide rod when the recoil spring gets weak, and this kills the barrel bushing and locks up the piece.
I've had three I've dealt with this year with almost identical damage and/or issues.
huh I didnt know that. I guess I got lucky, I bought mine a few years ago. It has been a reliable and pleasant gun to shoot.
Sad to hear they arnt the quality they use to be.
I figured it was just a few that got through their QC, because I know the local Rural King has sold hundreds of their pistols, and I've only seen three do this.
Either way it's a cheap fix.
here's a pic of one of the cracked bushings.
How recent?
The ones I've encountered with these issues are between three and four years of age, and various round counts.
It's easy to diagnose, if it is kicking hard and having issues feeding anything other than ball, replace the springs. One owner said his was "sticking to the rear". His was the one that produced the broken bushing as it was binding on the barrel at full recoil.
I use the Wolff "Service Pak".
If yours has the odd spring plug, you can pick up a Colt made one from Midway for less than $20.00.
Thanks for the info anon, much appreciated.
get a Norinco so you can build it out later on in its life time.
>Turk shits cool until you scratch it or someone points it out and laughs at you!
Nows a good time to buy pistols if you dont want an optics cut or pic rail. I bought a kimber tle custom 2 for 700 due to no cut or rail. Very solid gun. Just make sure you buy a 1911 from a company with very good CS.
i've been thinking about getting a tisas 1911 next time they go on sale, but 9mm
The 9mm ones usually will cost more due to them being all Para/Clark ramped frames and barrels
thanks for the info
they were on sale last month for $300, so i'm hoping there will be a similar deal soon
>Alternative: Turk Browning Hi Power for the sake of ammo consolidation
>I want to buy my first 1911
Norinco... Not No but Hell No!
Springfield Armory PBD9108L
$ 600 dollar ish retail out there.
get a used Colt. other 1911s come and go, but a Colt will always be a Colt.
Do new production CZ owned Colts count as Colt?
I'm in CA so unless I want to get raped on the local used offerings I'm stuck with a handful Springfield options.
I was thinking of settling for this.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-mil-spec-handguns/1911-mil-spec-45-acp-handgun-ca-compliant/
I admire you pursuing your passion for handgun collecting and shooting despite your severe visual impairment Anon.
Pick a CA compliant Springfield 1911 that isn't just as fugly.
yeah they're true Colts.
>unless I want to get raped
Well, you do live in CA
As a fellow Californian, I feel your pain. We are extremely limited on gun choice.
I'd say the top three .45ACP options for a Californian is a Springfield 1911, a Sig P220 or a Glock 30SF.
For 1911's
Cheap: Rock Island Armory
Mid: Springfield
High price: Dan Wesson
Spending money just to show off: Night Hawk, Wilson Combat, Ed Brown and Les Baer
I don't include Kimber because they tend to have issues. Oddly enough I'd glowingly recommend their Revolvers, even above Ruger and Smith and Wesson.
Are the new rugers any good? They are going for like 500 new. They are probably cast aluminum or something.
Cousin has one, it seems fine.
they are all steel, but the steel is indeed cast not forged. they're rather picky with magazines, only colt hybrids or wilsons seem to work on mine without feeding issues, but they're good for the price and american made. you can do better though.
Auto Ordnance
>best bang for buck
Tisas or Rock Island, both are under $500, spend the extra $500-$700 on ammo, mags, and upgrade parts.
>GI pattern
The problem with GI guns is they almost all have GI sights which are crude (but work) and have a staked front sight post which is a little difficult to replace.
I spaid a few bucks more to get a Rock Island with the Novak sights
I love my Dan Wesson. This doesn't help you at all, but I feel the need to say it.
the specialist with its round/ball end mill cut on the slide is just pure sex. I love mine.
>1911 and a USP
You have good taste
I paid 900 for my colt 70 series new at the gun shop this year
buy a CMP 1911
REEL
AMERICAN
ARMY
STEEL
I'm also looking to buy a 1911. I want a long slide, my budget is $1500. Stop recommending me Dan Wesson, or Les Baer. I can't afford it.
Pic unrelated
amt hardballer longslide.
10mm longslide
.45 longslide
.38 super longslide
>budget $1500
>can't afford DW
https://store.thegundock.com/product/806703019000-cz-usa-01900-dan-w-pointman-7-45acp5-barrel-adj-rear-serrated-fnt-sights-sswood-gripsca-8rds-01900-cz-usa-490378-pistols-handguns?
🙂
Not a longslide. Learn to read.
🙂
you can't always get what you want
😀
.45 ACP doesn't really gain that much in a 6 inch barrel over a 5 inch
it does if you mount a helium neon laser on top.
6" .45 for less than $1k.
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/669278303734
if you buy a kimber over a DW you deserve what happens next
You get a decent gun for a decent price.
With a DW, you get an amazing gun for a decent price
Not what anon wanted.
If you just nut up and buy a Nighthawk, you get an amazing gun for a fair price. If you buy a DW over a Nighthawk you deserve what happens next.
Yes this is how you sound.
stop buying turkshit
stop shilling turkshit
stop falling for people trying to cope with their turkshit remorse
terrible tierlist. if you want a cheap gun get your pinoy shit. if you care about the horse logo get a colt series 70 or a cmp one. if you want an expensive gun find some ur-boomer from 1911fanatics or whatever to build you one. no reason to buy anything else.
Normally I'd agree with you on the Turkish firearms
The Tisas 1911's are an exception (for now).
I bought one just as an experiment, and it 100% interchanges with my Colt.
Right now, they are about the best deal going for a 1911 in the $375~$425 range.
Haha fuck you. Girsan Master Race. No regrets.
>hates turkshit
>shills flip shit
Eat shit
>thinks that roaches who can't make a single good firearm magically are able to make a better 1911 than everyone else for less money
nice try mehmet I'm but not falling for it now go back to your house
You always post the exact same shit in these threads and always have to be told how retarded you are for promoting cast Flip products over roach forged. have a nice day already, bot.
>Bot
he's literally a pinoy shill, which may actually be worse if you think about it
What the fuck is your damage, dude?
.45 Super Longslide
you have enough toys already
R O C K
I S L A N D
>buying mim shit when you can get forged parts from the turks
I bought an Auto Ordnance M1911A1 parkerized for my Dad for Veterans Day a few years ago. It works perfect with .45 ball Winchester / Olin Aerospace ammo. Hornady critical defense also worked ok, occasionally stovepipe. Breaking in the M1911A1 eventually resolved the issue.
My Dad loves it. 76 years old and it's like an old friend came home. He was a 11C/4H/whatever after 24 years (1964-170), (1974-1992) as an instructor for everything from M113A2 4.2" tracked mortar platoon Sgt. Teaching mechanized infantry, TOW and the Dragon ATGMs, and the nomenclature of the M14, M16A1, and the M1911A1...anyway, He did it all except for the EIB, or jump school, but helicopter air assault is bad ass.
I have flush fit 8rd mags, and Wilson Combat 8rd flugh mags without any problems feeding. Having 8+1 is almost decent for carry.
I'm in a ban state suddenly and nothing over 10rds, otherwise I would carry my Sig P320/M18.
auto ordnance is awesome, I replaced the trigger and grips with WW2 USGI surplus and it's great
How much do you think this will sell for?
how is this only 7"
jesus christ it looks so long
Let me make this very easy for you.
Sub $800: Tisas
$800 - $1300: Fusion
$1300+: Dan Wesson
Pick the one in the budget you are willing to spend.
The Tisas will need a trigger job and new grips. The Fusion you need to make sure has a forged frame not their cast frame, the DW is perfect out of the box (at least for you)
Never heard of Fusion, how do they stack up to Kimber, Springfield, Ruger, etc.?
Fusion is the old Dan Wesson CEO or president or someone like that. He split off and made fusion. They also make a ton of 1911 parts. They make great 1911s. Kimber is pure trash. Its like a 50% chance you get a lemon, only good kimber is the pre 2000s hand made kimbers. Springfield, Ruger, Sig, Colt, etc cant compete with Tisas nor Fusion since Fusion and Tisas use Forged frames and the rest still all use cast frames.
The biggest gripe I had with Kimber was EVERY SINGLE ONE I ever dealt with had an improperly installed ejector. Some were so bad the ejector would drag on the slide and induce stoppages.
If you are considering one, pull the slide, and if you can see FUCKING DAYLIGHT between the ejector and the frame, either ask for another one that is made right, or get something else.
Current production Springfield, Colt, and Kimber all use forged frames. Ruger will always be cast, that's their bread and butter. Sig at least started their 1911 line with cast frames. Not sure about them now, but I wouldn't buy a Sig anyway.
In their defense, Ruger knows what they are doing with castings.
They do. I like the idea of a forged frame, but a quality made cast one is not a lesser firearm by any means.
I believe the sigs have been forged since around 2013 or 15ish. I have the stainless R model I picked up this year and it's one of the nicest guns I've ever held. I've recently hit the 500 round mark on it and I've not had a single issue. She's ate everyything with different mags that were mecgar, the included mags, wilson combat, and an old colt mag my buddies grandpas, friends grandson found clearing out his deceaced grandpas house
My only thing is like the other fags said is their box shape, so you have to have a different holster for them. And it's a series 80. Besides that I love it.
A lot of people hate on Fusion Firearms for low quality parts, their guns don’t work, I’ve only seen one person with a positive experience with them and they sent the gun back 3 times
I remember hearing a lot of complaints about Fusion myself. Many years back I saw some buzz about them being UNBELIEVABLE VALUE and the BEST KEPT SECRET in the gun industry, but the few times they've come up since then, I've only heard bad things.
>A lot of people hate on Fusion Firearms for low quality parts
may be a supplier issue. There are a lot of really abysmally shitty 1911 parts out there right now.
Interesting I havent had any issues with fusion.
When did springfield and colt swap to forged? I highly doubt any kimbers are forged. Those things blow apart all the time, see pic attached it happens to kimbers all the time
>When did springfield and colt swap to forged?
Not sure about Springfield (inc) but Colt has always used forged frames and slides for the 1911's, barring some experiments. (Arma-Steel)
>Those things blow apart all the time
>it happens to kimbers all the time
I've never heard of one blowing apart before now. What the fuck is that boomer ass model? Did he stuff bubba loads in it?
>kimber not forged.
It would take you 5 seconds to find out they are .
I have a tisas 1911 and I agree about the trigger, what would you recommend?
I'm partial to these double stack 1911s for practical reasons. This one is under $1k but I'm not partial to brands. I think it's wise to always choose the best tool for a job, regardless of marketing and brands.
Modern pistols typically have larger magazine capacity yet a smaller caliber, while a double stack 45 ACP 1911 like this has 15 round magazines while still chambering the very powerful 45 ACP cartridge.
It's a solid sidearm and all-American as well. Any sidearm is better than no sidearm if you are working with a rifle in a serious armed conflict. It's a solid choice for commanding officers as well as riflemen with high powered battle rifles, trained and deadly in the art of guerrilla sniping.
As an aside, when I lived in the ghetto, there was constant gang shootings and an old Vietnam vet that lived across the street. During one gang shooting, he walked outside and declared "That's a 45 ACP!", was able to identify the caliber by the sound of the gunshot by ear from his service in Vietnam. Just stuck with me and never got a chance to write it down.
What does /k/ think about the blued colt 1911 government series? goes for about 900 new
i like them
timeless
Get something utilitarian and something nice like what all the rich people do who own Italian sports cars, they drive the nice car on the week ends to be special experience.
>Get something utilitarian and something nice
The Sig is neither.
Is this worse than the turkshit one everyone recommends
Wait this IS the turkshit one just through a different importer or something what the hell
SDS is who imported mine, not sure who else is.
I looked it up the other day, SDS=Tisas.
I'm asking for the B45R for christmas because FUCKING NOBODY will make a railed, threaded barrel 1911 in any caliber for under $1000. Idk why. And it looks like swapping barrels is somewhat doable for a DIYer
>2k
>1.6k
>"Dan Buttfucker custom"
jesus christ you fucking desk jockey cuckolds, get back in your wifes oversized SUV and run over a toddler if you want to feel like a man instead of buying this overpriced horseshit
go suck off your grandpa instead of spending a thousand dollars on a handgun and proving these spineless corporate fucks right in that idiots here will pay any amount of money to feel like a some streetwise CIA killer scum
you hear me you brainless raccoons? stop giving these fucks the validation they so desperately crave
Just bought a Wilson Combat 1911
>a basic GI pattern model that if I want I can tinker with. What is the best bang for your buck? I don’t want to spend more than $1000-$1200, lesser is even better.
Turkish = $250
Phillipines =$300-400
Taurus = $400
Kahr/Thompson = $500
Colt = $900
Cimmarron = $1000
All are reliable and made similar to the original "M1911" (made from 1914-1924). Cimmarron is the most accurate to the real M1911 and a certain model by Colt is also. The rest are more generic 1911's.
Cimmaron is just a distribution company and makes nothing, I learned this the hard way after buying a 1897 from them that light strikes 3-4 shells in a tube, because it’s Chinese, and not the good kind.
>Cimmaron is just a distribution company
Yes and no. I worked there about 10 years ago with David. They get mostly Italian made imports, and parts. They rebuild them, refinish them, and also use in house machined parts to replace some parts to improve them.
>They get mostly Italian made imports, and parts.
Speaking about the revolvers and rifle. I was gone by the time they started importing the 1911s, but they are nice. Nicer than Colt.
Cimarrons 1911 is just an RIA 1911. Its the only pre 1918 m1911 you can buy new however. I have one for that reason alone. Its not a great gun, lots of parts need to be changed out to be period correct aswell (grip safety, trigger, thumb safety, FBFPS, etc.) But Im happy with my $400 cimarron + 200 in parts (+300 to get it blued if you want that) to have a functional beater pre 1918 1911 that goes great with all my old western guns.
While this is true I think you are talking about the 1878 coach gun afaik thats the only chinese gun on their roster. All their lever and saa are gtg. Just check who the actual manufacture is when buying cimarron/taylors. And you should hit them up, their 1878s are great you probably just gor a lemon. The coache guns are used a ton in CASS
I have a SA Operator. I like it a lot, espc since it has a rail I can put a light on it for home defense. Springfield makes a Range Master or Officer something but it was pretty basic and decently priced.
What about the CMP? They opened round 4 recently.
at least get a cool one.