I want something with some retro style that's also still practical. Should I get a Mini-14 or one of the H&R M16A1 clones?
I want something with some retro style that's also still practical.
I want something with some retro style that's also still practical. Should I get a Mini-14 or one of the H&R M16A1 clones?
H&R
Mini-14s just aren’t worth the price, but if you really want one then by all means get one. I’d like to have one some day if I come across a good deal
Glad I sold mine long ago. Requiring two small screws be removed with a tool to field strip and failure to take AR mags = trash.
>Requiring two small screws be removed with a tool to field strip
not if you have a synthetic stock.
Also the two flat head screws to remove the wood stock is a non-issue in real life.
Mechanic and machinist here insulted by what should not exist on a tool.
Has anyone ever tried converting a mini 14 to take AR mags?
Ramline made a turbo garbage mini14, ar, ar180 magazine that fit all of those. Buy one second hand and try your best to replicate it.
Well I dont own a Mini 14 as they are too expensive to justify buying one nowadays. I was just curious if someone ever tried.
IIRC some people have cut mini mag catches into AR15 mags but I may be wrong so don't quote me.
No, we totally never went through a country-wide AWB which forced people to get creative.
>Requiring two small screws be removed with a tool to field strip
What are you talking about? Removing a stock liner isn't field stripping. The gun comes apart for cleaning the same way a Garand does. I've had several Mini-14s for over a decade and never had to take that out.
Get the M16. Mini-14s aren't bad guns, but they're worse than ARs and since covid, prices are way too high. Before 2020 you used to be able to get used ones all day long for $400-600 and I bought a few for $250-400.
>Requiring two small screws be removed
bro what. You're not supposed to touch those. Did Ruger change something this year?
>I still will never understand why Ruger didn't just use STANAG mags
1. The Mini-14 was designed in the mid '70s. Nothing used AR mags then except the AR-15/M-16 and AR-18 and not many civilians owned either. It wasn't an obvious choice.
2. You may have noticed it's supposed to be a mini M-14. AR mags don't work without a large vertical magwell. It would ruin the aesthetics of the gun.
You are literally retarded.
>i really don't understand why.
Metal stamping is a big investment that's become much less common in today's CNC and plastic molding world. Other than companies like Mec-Gar who OEM mags for gun makers, or military suppliers, almost no one makes good aftermarket steel mags of any sort.
No, he's retarded. Pmags were an improvement but old style AR mags usually worked fine. They were the standard mags for forty fucking years across dozens of countries' militaries. Some STANAG compatible guns don't even work with Pmags. Anti tilt followers came out at least a decade before Pmags too.
Get some GWOT M16A4 with quad rails abomination
between those two m16a1 clone
but this is best choice, I fucking love my a4 clone.
Need to swap out the romeo 7 for a acog at some point when I get a new house.
M16 but I'd go for something where you can change the handguard and remove the carrying handle if you ever choose to do so
That isn't because I dislike retro firearms, you might just get bored of it
Slickside H&R M16 and buy a pair of magpul MOE handguards and some A2 handguards so you can be in any decade you choose
Mini 14s are more expensive, heavier, and use proprietary mags. Plus the M16 has more retro sight options.
I still will never understand why Ruger didn't just use STANAG mags. It would have made infinite more sense. I'm not saying that's the reason I don't own one, but it's not helping
>why Ruger didn't just use STANAG mags
because prior to the mid 2000s when pmags happened/pmags followers being inserted into STANAG. STANAG was garbage. everyone consdered it garbage that you had to live with and baby. literally every company making a 5.56 rifle made a proprietary mag, aug famas, sig, hk, ruger. and all of them were better than the STANAG. in rugers case the factory oem were excellent but all the aftermarket garbage ruined the reputation. you complain about mag prices but rugers 30-40 is around the same as any other non ar/ak mag. its just that the extremely common mags are unusually cheap.
people look at it now and think everything should be a pmag adapter but pmag didnt exist when these guns were designed.
it really is a shame how garbage the aftermarket mags are. i really don't understand why.
I have a B-TM stock for the 10/22, love it. But your pistolgrip looks really shiny like the old Falcon folder used to (prob. bakelite or similar type resin). Did you clear coat it or is that an original Falcon folder? Bugged me that the grip was so textured and nylon-y on the B-TM instead of a nice resin that's semi-gloss.
Why is the stock so shiny?
Wait so is the reason that PMAG is such a big name the fact that they invented the first decent AR mags?
I had an aluminum mag without an anti-tilt follower and it was a massive piece of shit. I didn't realize all AR mags used to be that bad. How the fuck was this acceptable in a military context?
I really am interested to know what compelled you to write such an amazingly retarded post.
how impractical is too impractical? are you planning on using it in a protracted fire fight or do you want something cool to shoot at the range?
why not get both? now the question is which one do you buy FIRST?
The Mini is a total feelsgood gun.
I just wish the forward stock was stippled for firmer grip.
Hit it with a file
get an xm177 clone, get a quad rail, and put an IR laser on it
An H&R M16 is gonna be more bang for your buck
Right now they're out of stock on PSA but a separate complete lower and upper together are gonna run equal to or lower than Mini 14s on most websites and LGS on top of being an overall more practical gun that takes STANAG instead of proprietary mags
If you're looking for a Mini-14 specifically, then by all means go ahead
Get a Steyr AUG.
why is every M16 a "clone"? is there some rule that says gunmakers can't actually make a real M16?
>why is every M16 a "clone"? is there some rule that says gunmakers can't actually make a real M16?
yes
Yeah civilians cannot own any machine guns made after 1986.
Because if it doesn't have a giggle switch its not an authentic M16 and is therefore a clone
I thought M16s were just semi and burst fire tho? Are Americans not allowed to have burst fire?
No, thats a machine gun
So you can own machine guns, but only if they're older machine guns?
Neger what kind of country are you running
I can't tell if this is bait or you are a genuine newfag/europoor, but as per the NFA, who's laws came into effect in the 1930s, Short barrelled rifles/shotguns, explosives/guns with a bore larger than .50 caliber, and guns that can fire more than one round per trigger pull would need to be registered, approved by your local head law enforcement, and pay a $200 tax to legally own them. in 1986 Ronald Ray Gun passed the "Hughes amendment" which made it so you can no longer register new machine guns, therefore all legal machine guns in the US are made before 1986, and they are about as expensive as a new car now since they are collectables.
Why would Americans allow this? Why didn't some Pro2A guy like Reagan just abolish that gay shit, machine guns for every boy and girl.
Reagan wasn't pro 2A, and the NFA was essentially passed and implimented under the cover of darkness, a lot of the people who would have been militantly against it, didn't know about it until years later. It was quite literally passed as a kneejerk reaction to the Valentine's day massacre.
>2A exists so ordinary citizens can defend against tyranny
>government invents new laws that ban guns
>then becomes even more tyrannical
>people just give up their guns and then complain about the government while doing nothing about it
I wonder if George Washington would be hella pissed off or just disappointed.
>people just give up their guns and then complain about the government while doing nothing about it
yeah, you included, so stop complaining.
I'm Canadian and no one here is giving up any more guns. They've been trying for about 3 years now and not a single gun has been surrendered so they keep extending the "amnesty" period rofl.
>yfw Canadians have more balls than Americans when it comes to guns
moron, you started out with less gun rights than we've had on our worst day. Your guns are literally on a list that your horse cops can access at any time then walk up to your door and take your shit.
Only partially true, in the same sense that you have to register stuff like SBRs and suppressors with the ATF. We have restricted and non-restricted classes of firearms. Over 90% of the firearms in Canada are non-restricted. So horsecops know very little about how many guns a person might have.
>Canadians have more balls than Americans
lol
lmao even you retarded leaf moron. You literally surrendered all your rights for decades and now that all you have left is grandpa's 22 you want to have some "balls".
What an embarrassing thing to say imagine being a leaf
regan was basically anti 2a setting up shitty laws in california before he became president and then proceeded to setup more shitty laws. Honestly worse than most democrats who just do a lot of talking
>Reagan
>Pro 2A
How do you idiots fall for such obvious b8
People that get on Reagan for the closing of the MG NFA Registry have a fundamental lack of understanding of how American law is established. Reagan didn't "pass the hughes amendment." You really show how stupid you are with a statement like that. Also if you really want an MG, just get an FFL and quit your bitching. You're doing paperwork if you get a pre-86 MG anyway and at least if youre a manufacturer you aren't selling a kidney for an MG.
This, the closing of the MG registry doesn't infringe on your rights, just become a manufacturer.
>inb4 "but that's a defacto ban!!1!"
No, because a defacto ban means it's impossible.
the NFA is the core problem. closing the registry just makes it harder to be a legal machinegun cuck. also, FOPA was GOOD for gun owners but a Dem stuck the so-called Hughes amendment onto it. This is how tons of little things are changed in the US. same thing with the US base names being changed, dems attached that clause into the NDAA for 2020, same thing with the 1911s being sold by the CMP, republicans slipped that into the NDAA for 2016. So blaming Reagan for "passing the hughe's amendment," a retarded statement by the way because it makes it sound like it's a law on its own, you can just as easily thank Trump for renaming military bases from those racist confederates and thank Obama for selling surplus 1911s to civilians.
What's that about Obama I don't get it
You can't own anything beyond semi unless it's grandfathered in
The M16A1 and A3 were full auto and the M16A2 and A4 could/can be had in full auto
also the ATF considers burst full auto
This ATF sounds like they cause a lot of trouble you guys should get rid of them or something
yeah
>literally every company making a 5.56 rifle made a proprietary mag, aug famas, sig, hk, ruger. and all of them were better than the STANAG.
Except for the FNC, F2000 (made shortly after pmag but incompatible with pmags) L85, AR70, Type 89, K1, K2, CETME Model L, the list goes on.
Even with the examples you mentioned, the AUG and FAMAS had versions that used STANAG mags and HK made the G41 as an alternative to the HK33.
non-compliance =/= active resistance to/repealing of bad laws
Also, I guarantee you there's a massive amount of unregistered NFA items of varying age here in the US, so it's not like we just give them up either.
working on it
iirc m16 isn't royalty free (for lack of a better word) like M4 is. Although I think DPMS and now PSA can manufacture M16 marked receivers
also like the other anons said its not technically a "real" M16 w/ no select fire
Aero has M16 marked ones
https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m16a4-clone-complete-lower-anodized-black
Get the H&R and slap some wood on it
gay
I love my Mini-14. The 580+ series are great rifles out of the box. People say they're too expensive. Hwhat. Okay. Maybe but it's relative. My 584 Ranch Rifle with the hardwood stock has:
- A cold hammer forged barrel
- Stainless barrel and receiver
- Ambi safety
- Peep sights already on it
- High quality parts and Ruger QC and warranty
- More sex than an AR15
Comparably, discount any cheap $500 piece of shit AR because it doesn't compare.
In the mid-range price tier ($750-1250), the ARs you can get are not significantly better performers than a Mini-14. A BCM upper with a phosphated barrel is already 900+ with BCG and charging handle. No sights, mag, nothing. Even with the cheapest parts to finish that rifle you're in at $1100 (same as the Mini). The BCM will be a little more accurate and yeah ARs in general have dirt cheap widely available mags. My Aero AR was like $900 bucks all told after upgrades and doodads, and doesn't have a CHF barrel. The QC, fit and finish are nowhere near as good as my Mini-14.
Now if I could ONLY choose one rifle, an AR or a Mini, for end times/zombie apocalypse or whatever, I would begrudgingly probably choose the AR simply due to the abundance of magazines. Mini magazines are expensive (30-40 a pop when you can find them). But the Mini does have advantages that are BIG advantages in certain contexts. It looks like a hunting rifle. It has 50 years of aftermarket support and there is a LOT of weird shit out there. It's easy to clean and the piston system means it doesn't crap on the bolt. It can also easily run a folding stock as simple as popping the action out of the stock and putting it in another.
If accuracy is a concern it's an overrated concern. On the older models it can be improved. New models are 2MOA out of the box with ammo the gun likes (and can be improved).
What flash hider is that?
Get a retro bolt action with a wooden stock. Zastava, Sabatti, Winchester, maybe an antique sporter
>Mini-14
What's a gppd price for one?
the cheapest im seeing for a new one is 899
dollar for dollar, pound for pound, the M16A1. But the H&R is about 1300 bucks non blem because it's trying to be clone correct down to the grey anodizing, 1:12 twist barrel, .625 gas journal, and very minor details like the dust cover, markings. The Windham A1 is about 850, has a C7 upper and a 1:7 or 1:9 twist. Really the only retro parts are the upper and the furniture, everything else is standard, readily available M16A2/A4 parts. The Rock River M16A2 Carbines, Midlengths and Rifles are also great choices for about $850.
This may be a stupid question, but why not both? If you like both just get both
Should I get a stainless or blued Mini?
They're both but a stainless barrel will probably be a little more accurate (with reduced lifespan as the cost)
I'm mostly wondering if they're hard to clean/prone to rust. And I can't decide which is sexier.
Mine is stainless and has never had a grain of rust. Love the way it looks with a wood stock. I'd buy a blued one in a heartbeat though. I am one of only a few people on /k who actually loves these rifles though...
Ah, sorry, I meant if the blued ones rust easily I'd lean more towards rhe stainless.
How do you have yours set up, tho? Irons sights?
Pretty basic setup. I use a scope with QD rings. Iron sights zeroed at 50/200 for backup.
Tech sights peep sights
Hannibal rail for weapon light
1911 recoil buffer (rear only)
Changed gas bushing down to 0.45”
Pig Sling
Picrel doesn't show it very well but the stainless version (584-xxxxx) looks more like a brushed gun metal grey than what I think of as "stainless".
It's a good look, but it ain't shiny by a country mile.
Marcolmar Cetme L
Holy shit I’m in love why have I never heard about this gun before?
Because the industry is dominated by NPC gays who always tell you to "just get an AR, bro"
>$1,200
>PrepHole suffers from terminal poorgayry
Yeah.
people've been talking about it for years now but its an obscure spanish rifle so go figure
They’re fun
mine has soft recoil and the barrels on them seem to be pretty good
Just know that they only use metal STANAG mags, and to shoot good, new brass or you will get case head separations. IDK how they are with steel, I’ve never tried it.
Where?
https://atlanticfirearms.com/cetme
I believe you can also get these directly from them on their website too.
Damn that's alot of them. Are there any other differences between them except color?
The only difference between the regular CETME L models is color and rail/no rail.
The CETME LC has a collapsible stock, but since the spring is located in the stock on the standard version its location and the shape of the bolt carrier are different.
The CETME LV, which is very rare and more expensive, has a proprietary scope mount. If I needed to run an optic I’d just go for a railed standard version, but if you want an accurate reproduction/rebuild of a Spanish Army DMR then go ahead
Get G3, upgrade to HK4C/D
>OP wants something retro
>upgrade to HK4C/D (upgrade of an upgrade from the 2000s, adopted 2022)
you had it right in the first half
are you autistic
Considering the market behind them you could always go with an AK + an optic mounted with rs regulate, or if you wanna keep that old school look a POSP or something if you can find one.
>POSP
Not obtainable
I wouldn't say that. They're definitely obtainable, just a tad harder to do so. I know zenitco has a chance of being seized, but I'm not quite sure about these.
Ar15 with wood furniture
Mini-14s are hot, and I'm tired of pretending they're not.
I like them but I don't like their price. There is no reason they should be more than $500 brand new