I see radios like pic related get brought up here every so often, but what exactly is the point of them? What do you do with them? Is it just for dress up purposes because military guys have radios?
I see radios like pic related get brought up here every so often, but what exactly is the point of them?
it's ham radio baby, buy one and open transmit every channel to make friends. newbies use their real names for callsigns at first, you get a nickname later from the FCC
It's not a ham radio. Chinese garbage that happens to transmit on 2m/70cm.
Mmm, Chinese ham.
>Chinese ham
I like Korean BBQ, but don't the Chinese feed thier pigs aborted female fetuses?
Anyway, a couple years ago PrepHole had their panties in a bunch over Beofang locking out FCC prohibited frequencies. Was that real and can it be unlocked?
>It's not a ham radio. Chinese garbage that happens to transmit on 2m/70cm.
>It's not a ham radio.
>2m/70cm.
Anon, I....
Sad ham mad ham
Spot the man that lives in his mom's attic with a longwire antenna hanging out the window
nope, even the extras recognize that the baofeng is a radio capable of functioning on the ham bands.
is just an idiot.
to talk to people if the cell system goes down i.e solar flare, power outage, literally just anything
to talk to people in areas with no cell service like a lotta rural folks
to larp
bruh
based retard
What practical advantage do they offer over just buying a set of cheap walkie talkies from Walmart though?
way more bands (which are against regulations lol), and you can buy custom antennas that give you way more range, like from a few city blocks to the entire city, easier to program.
>way more bands (which are against regulations lol)
What advantage does that offer though?
>easier to program.
But normal walkie talkies don't require programming.
can you imagine how much people would be talking on those bands if anything happens? the ability to reach emergency services and your own little ingroups rather then talking on 3 or 4 bands everyone else is already talking on is a massive improvement
>But normal walkie talkies don't require programming.
yea because they're already programmed to use the same bands as everyone else
> the ability to reach emergency services
Do emergency services monitor any civilian radio frequencies?
>rather then talking on 3 or 4 bands everyone else is already talking on
Normal walkie talkies give you 22 channels to work with. I don't see any reason why all of them would suddenly be full.
>The UV5R has 128 channels
That sounds like a complete hassle to manage. What the would you even use that many for and how would you keep straight what channel is for what?
>4-5 times the power can give you 10 times as much range
How the hell does that work?
>Do emergency services monitor any civilian radio frequencies?
no but you can go on emergency service bands
>I don't see any reason why all of them would suddenly be full.
dozens of suburban dads will fill the bands the instant anything happens
>What the would you even use that many for and how would you keep straight what channel is for what?
the programming my friend
>How the hell does that work?
idk I'm retarded
>no but you can go on emergency service bands
I thought emergency services used some special digital radios these days. I remember hearing that a while back when someone was talking about buying a police scanner.
>dozens of suburban dads will fill the bands the instant anything happens
With what? Isn't the point to reach other people, which would necessitate being on the same channel?
>I thought emergency services used some special digital radios these days.
Yes. But you can get scanners that can listen to them. Talking is another thing. Most trunked systems won't handshake with a radio they don't recognize, even if the systems aren't encrypted.
Many do. However, especially in rural areas, there are often sheriff's offices and fire departments (especially volunteer ones) that use frequencies a Baofeng can reach. Just be careful not to accidentally transmit on those frequencies.
You don't NEED to use 128 channels. You can program in just a single one if you prefer that and leave the others empty.
The one watt radios are made to reach across a football field and not much more. Even if you climb up on a mountain top the range won't increase much. The 4 watt does not make a linear increase of reach. It's not exponential, but stronger power forces its way through interference better.
>The one watt radios are made to reach across a football field and not much more
Wut? I remember using a set of walkie talkies as a kid in the 00s and they could definitely reach at least several blocks with houses between. It sounds like you're talking about the really cheap ones for little kids that are only 1 channel and frequently come with a button for morse code.
he doesn't know what he's talking about. In a clear field even .1 watts can get a mile of range.
Radio Line-Of-Sight can be absolutely massive if there are no obstructions and at least one radio has a high elevation.
I can tag a "local" repeater that is 65 miles away on 2 watts, because it is 8,500 ft higher than me.
There are calculators for exactly that, "radio line of sight". Play around with one and see for yourself.
>Do emergency services monitor any civilian radio frequencies?
No, and you'll get hit with significant fines if you go on the frequencies emergency services use like
and
suggested. They take that very seriously, even if you're trying to help.
https://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-proposes-record-34-000-fine-for-alleged-interference-and-unauthorized-transmissions-during-idaho
That guy was actively trying to play firefighter, I doubt the FCC cares on fat fingering but yeah if you are on a freq the state uses for emergency crews or if you hear people talking on a freq don't fucking hit the mic.
>Do emergency services monitor any civilian radio frequencies?
CB ch9 is the "emergency" chan. Who monitors it? "Them". Them monitor EVERYTHING.
The Chinese government is flooding the market with Baofangs probably at a loss because they purposefully violate FCC rulings on what frequencies they can pick up and transmit on.
They may be shit radios but make perfectly serviceable police scanners.
>What advantage does that offer though?
Imagine if you will a scenario in which the popo comes to serve that warrant on your arrest for posting naughty pictures of chicks with dicks on their preciously titular Taiwanese threads.
Well they report to HQ via radio so you will hear their reports when who is where and why.
You hear HQ putting out the arrest with name, description and reason.
Then a response follows from a car officer identifier and where they are to confirm to anyone listening i.e. HQ and the other officers that they are en route.
Well now you know that the police is on its way and that they think you are armed, dangerous and possibly gay.
>The Chinese government is flooding the market with Baofangs probably at a loss because they purposefully violate FCC rulings on what frequencies they can pick up and transmit on.
Yes, their specific focus is to vex the FCC not make money. It's thier plan.
Yeah its not like the Chinese don't love getting US dollars that they can use to get the shit they really want in other markets. If you really want to go schizo the Chinese will simply make a shitload of stuff that sells well to generate cashflow, same shit happened with their AKs when they could import them. They made them to a rather decent standard and only because US dollars were in play. After the US market dried up most of those factories were killed and the quality of the AKs at the remaining ones suffered. If Baofengs got banned I wouldn't be surprised if the UV-5R factory simply gets shuttered.
The UV-5R is just a basic circuit board, some brass fixtures and a few wires, they are not particularly expensive to make at all and I bet they cost like 10 bucks to make so there's plenty of middlemen making money on them as they get imported
IF you live in a place where the cops haven't switched to encrypted comms yet. That window has gotten a lot smaller the last decade.
Not today Satan.
Police can only use some half assed hardware encryption that you bypass by getting one second hand.
>half assed hardware encryption
It's not even encryption, is it? It's just a way to get multiple channels of traffic over the same amount of bandwidth. Digital radio modes like Fusion, DMR, etc. also do it as well, although I'm sure p25 or whatever is quite different.
Mostly trunking radio systems vs. encryption. A trunking scanner is all you need.
The cheap sets typically comes with 22 preset and fixed channels and have 0.8-1W power. The UV5R has 128 channels which you can program individually to any frequency within the frequency range and has 4W power, giving you four to ten times as much range depending on the landscape. Programming can be done one button at a time, or via a computer with an optional four dollar cable and free software. The cheapo sets are easier to use, definitely. The UV5R teaches you skills and systems you can use on a radio ten to a hundred times more expensive.
> giving you four to ten times as much range depending on the landscape
Anon, look up the inverse square law. You need 4x the power to double the distance.
>How the hell does that work?
It doesn't. You're looking at 2x the distance from the power increase and slight bit more if you have a nicer antenna. But that's before considering that the receiver on a Baofeng is going to be worse than say a Motorola Talkabout, which will in turn decrease the maximum distance you'd be able to work in a lot of cases.
I own both talkabouts and baofengs and you're out of your fucking mind (or, more likely, haven't used either) if you think baofengs cant receive and transmit further on the same FRS frequencies.
Where did I say the Baofeng couldn't transmit further?
Old UV-5R's go up to 10 watts. Batteries certainly reflect the power drain. I've seen people get more than 5 miles with them. I understand they don't sell them anymore at that power. But you can jailbreak them easily with a certain reset and the higher wattages become available again. They were so cheap folks bought a bunch of them years ago. Dip the board in corona dope, put it in a modified ammo can and slap a serious battery in the can with it, boom, cheap and easy hard to see remitter station. Just open the can, plug in the cable, boom, easy peasy programming. Use dry cell battery and attach a modified salvaged board and attach it to a big balloon.. Tons of crazy direct line of sight high wattage blasting fun.. Disposable at those prices. At least that's what the cool kids smoking in the boys room were talking about.
>big barroon
>Chinese hards typed ect...
Always attaching shit to big barroons. Wtf Chang?
>a certain reset and the higher wattages become available again
Citation required.
Not that anon. FRS will be relatively hosed in power, both in min and max settings, shitty UI capability, fixed antenna, and you're locked into certain freqs. If you're fine with that, FRS is fine for a lot of day to day bullshit honestly. I tell people to use FRS and see if it solves their issues, unless they are worried about next door neighbors getting pissed because the "extremists" next door are using tactical radio to shoot things.
El cheapo HTs like Baofang, and nicer ones like Yaesus, etc., can be unlocked to handle a wider range of freqs, HF/VHF/UHF, GMRS/FRS, MURS, whip antennas, better power ranges, and a UI that can let you actually do real life shit like alter the power setting on a saved channel if you need it. I don't really recommend Baofengs here, because I find their bodies and ports don't hold up as well to getting if you're eating dirt.
If you really need more shit than that, it's time to look at a commercial license and upper end commercial radios.
>shitty UI capability
>vs a baofeng
lol
I'm not casting aspersions here. There's only so much you can do with a DRO and a numkey pad.
You can do a lot of fun stuff with them including setting up repeaters with them which makes them Walkie Talkies but way better, and in terms of cost 2 Baofengs would be like less than 50 bucks I think which isn't far off from the hardshell 2 packs of the decent walkies at wally.
>to talk to people if the cell system goes down i.e solar flare
Within 2km range? Lol no
Also in that situation I will be raiding their homes for their teen daughters, not talking with them over my Amazon radio.
I have 100 bucks that says in any SHTF scenario you're the one getting raped first tbh
your post reeks of gayry
That meme is antithetical
>PrepHole - Chinese electronics
Fuck off spammer.
>Welcome to PrepHole, PrepHole's weapons board. Our board centers around weapons, armor, and other myriad military technology. While guns are the primary topic, threads involving any other sort of weapons, from swords and knives to tanks and jet fighters, come up frequently as well
>other myriad military technology
Go back.
Those are Baofeng UV5R radios. Main function is to let you communicate across several bands for several miles even without third party equipment like towers. Just like all other hand held radios. This particular model is cheap yet contains more functions than most radios in the same price range, making them a very popular babbys first handradio. Manufacture quality is meh but usually they work until you bash it into a rock. Large selection of cheap accessories available.
I see threads like pic related get brought up here every so often, but what exactly is the point of them? What do you do with them? Is it just for dress up purposes because military guys have threads?
Do you understand the concept of communication over a longer distance than shouting? Do you go places that are not covered by cell towers? Are there anyone you might want to communicate with under those conditions? Real life is not a one person scenario.
I have a few of those UV-5R radios.
One was programmed with Norway's 6 hunting frequencies, so I can talk to my hunting party at 1/10th the cost of their radios. Spent $10 on a great whip antenna too.
Also I monitor satellites overhead and download the occasional image from NOAA 15/18 or Meteor M2.
Programmed two of them to operate at 1W on maritime vhf leisure channels 1 through 3 (it's a Norwegian thing), and let my young nephews talk to the main Icom vhf on my boat to get them started on radio comms w/o interfering with main channels At $25 bucks, it wouldn't be a big deal if a radio drops overboard.
And oh yeah, the first radio i mentioned (with hunting channels) is used exclusively by myself, so I programmed all the maritime vhf channels into it as well.... so that I can listen to the harbour master, pilot boats and other general maritime traffic from home (I have a nice view overlooking the harbour and inlet).
The issue many people run into is counterfeit programming cables. The cables sometimes included with the radio usually have a fake USB chip in them, as do most ebay and amazon cables below $15. They cause PC driver issues that takes hours and hours to figure out to get the cable working.
I just bought a genuine Btech programming cable last month, and for only about $20+shipping it has eliminated driver errors and works perfectly every time. Should've bought it 3 years ago.
There's a hunter/gun owner in every other house here in Norway, so local authorities in my county have actually publicly stated that they want everyone to tune in on hunting channel #1 when the cell phone networks go down during storms, power outages etc. This way emergency messages can be relayed across the county in minutes. E.g. ambulances quickly get told where they're needed from the messages coming in on the hunting channel.
This system works very well when everything else is down. The UV-5R is a low-cost way to access that emergency "net" and get (or offer) help.
I mean, that's all pretty cool. But you do realise you're a massive dork, right?
OK I'll bite. Define dork.
If owning my own house, having 3 cars, 2 motorcycles, a boat, a cabin, 3 nice rifles, $100,000 in my account and mutual funds, while scoring 8/10 babes since I actually have "le nordic viking" look, makes me a dork.... well then yes sir I am a dork.
This radio shit is just something I like tinkering with when I have some spare time to waste. So something tells me I'm better off than you bud.
Lmao. You sound moron-rich
Lmao is once again proven to be PrepHole speak for "I am an envious moron who just ran out of arguments".
You wouldn't recognize rich if it smacked you over the head with a stack of $100 bills.
Embarrassing. Keep your ego and pride in check you colossal retard
Why, do my ego and pride upset you? Great!
Broke bitch detected
You don't know what that means. Fucking esl ass bro.
He's a Norwegian. They can afford to spend lots of money on toys because they're Nordic oil princes. No hate on them, it is what it is.
You have us mixed up with the Saudis.
Unless you wanna spend half your life on a North Sea oil rig, most people here make $50-80K a year in a VERY high-cost country. Gas is $10 a gallon now.
How the fuck is gas $10 a gallon when you have it weeping out of the ground.
Free healthcare aint gonna pay for itself
It's not completely free until after you've covered $250 annually yourself. But even before that limit, shit is heavily subsidized.
I had to get an MRI at the local hospital not long ago. 45 minutes in the MRI machine + the imagery evaluation by their xray specialist doctor person afterwards cost me $27.
Its subsidized by you overpaying for everything else
Which is no different than U.S. employers overpaying insurance companies for "employee health benefits". Why wouldn't you just forego the benefits and get a bigger pay check instead huh? It's just private taxation instead of government taxation.
But unlike our model, yours has insurance execs running off with a sizable chunk of the cash.
If our model is socialism (it's not), so is yours. In both cases money gets pooled together and is then spent on those who get sick. Your system is however camouflaged by a thin veil of capitalism to not appear socialist.
The perfect system does not exist. Not in Norway, not in the U.S. It's all a bunch of compromises, and slightly different means to the same end.
The US healthcare system is not capitalistic in the way you think, it is anti free market and insurance execs and politicians in the FDA and other regulatory agencies change hats with eachother. The issues with American healthcare lie in government overreach and incompetence. Why cant I just buy the drugs I need for an infection if I have a diagnosis? Government says these 6 other people need part of the cashflow from my pockets rather than just paying the doctor and drug manufacturers fair market values.
Good point! The middle men are positioned to take your cash and kick some of it back to the legislators who put them in that position. It's all part of a planned outcome where as much as possible of our disposable income goes into the hands of someone else. This is universally true whether you're a citizen of Norway, USA, Germany, China, Venezuela or any other country.
That was partly what I was getting at. Europe "solved" the problem by obfuscating costs through taxes, but the solution is that tens of thousands of midwit computer jockeys need to count beans elsewhere and not get paid through insirance rackets of excessive taxes.
Yup. Same money, just a different food chain.
>anti free market
This is the best kind of capitalism. Greed is good. Why share?
Like slavery its poison to innovation in your country.
Yeah it was just sarcasm. Sorry.
Out of the seabed, to be precise. Well, there are no domestic gas refineries anymore. So we export crude and LNG like there's no tomorrow, then import refined gas at market price, before climate tax, VAT and road use tax and whatnot are added to the pump price. Go figure.
Electricity prices have gone through the roof this winter too. So lots of middle class families who were getting by just fine two years ago, are resorting to food banks and handouts.
You think we don't have poor people? We're just better at hiding them in plain view.
All that and still so insecure about being called a dork that you can't even identify friendly ribbing. That's what makes you a dork, my man.
Ribbing is what your dad's condom should have had, for your mother's pleasure. See, now you've made me stoop to your level and I hate that.
Naw man I'm just enjoying getting you worked up. You're right about one thing though, I do come here to see the bottom of the barrel so I can feel better about life in general.
Call it an insecurity if you will. At least I don't hang around on asian fly fishing forums desperate to call people names simply for posting content worth a damn, only to feel better about myself.
I'm sure if we'd met in real life we'd be having a decent conversation now instead of just throwing shit back and forth. So there's that.
Lol, what a dork.
It's past your bedtime, little fella.
You talk like an insecure fag dude, im sorry just being honest with you
I can assure you I'm not, thanks. I just don't appreciate being called a dork out of the blue, no matter if the circumstances are a late night on PrepHole. I wouldn't accept that shit in real life, and I just happened to not be in the mood to let it slide on 4 chan either tonight.
That's not insecure - that's called having standards in life. It's what got me somewhere. Good job, hobbies, friends, all of that normie shit that PrepHole despises.
Usually I pity these sad-fated shitposters quietly without responding to them. But I'm trying to kill time while waiting for a software update to finish so the "Hey why not" got the better off me.
Sorry to inconvenience y'all with my posts, I'll get back to having a life shortly.
All of those people are massive gays anon you answered the question the op asked and gave some interesting information about your country, thanks for your productive contribution to the discussion.
Thanks. Most days I just ignore the cancer posters, but once in a while I'm in the mood to talk back. Which is really stupid and I oughta quit.
Anywho.... We've got a big storm with high winds and extreme amounts of snow coming in tomorrow which will last a few days, so I am charging my Icom AND my baofengs. Interestingly my Icom is no older than my baofengs but has already required a battery replacement (dead and wouldn't charge) whereas the baofengs at 10% of the cost just keep on trucking.
>I do come here to see the bottom of the barrel
Wtf bro
Not saying everyone here is bottom of the barrel at all, just the 12 year olds posting from moms basement. They're easy to spot.
You are getting trolled lmao, money doesn't make you a big man. Rich parents don't make you tough. Poor motherfuckers actually fight in wars and fight the hardest.
I know, don't feed the trolls. Well sometimes it's too tempting. And no rich parents here man. I've fought and worked hard for every cent I own. 100+ hour work weeks at times.
And you're absolutely right. Money doesn't make me big. Having earned my keep does.
you're being bullied by literal PrepHoleids, dork
That's what I said. 12 year olds in their mom's basement. Dork.
No, you homo.
Sub 50k/year salary detected.
Small correction there, Those cable hardware are not the issue. it is th software. Bungs things up bad. That software isn thr bad guy. dont uopload. bad sofrwarel downloas.load chirp an s chirp sw,
The chips in those cables are indeed the problem.
The copycat FTDI chips in counterfeit cables are an old design that's not compatible with the updated drivers that the genuine FTDI chip manufacturer uses now - drivers which Windows will automatically try to install every chance it gets. This is how the manufacturer has cracked down on counterfeit chips and, in turn, the copycat cables.
So to get a copycat cable to work, you need to identify and uninstall current drivers and install older FTDI drivers (like 2006 old). And you have to keep the computer offline during all of this, otherwise Windows will just install the new drivers again.
Last time I tried though, I couldn't get Windows to accept the old drivers using the exact same procedure that I have used before. So their grip has tightened....
Getting a cable with a genuine FTDI chip inside that is compatible with the new FTDI drivers, solves all of this. With the time you save on combating driver issues, the $20 genuine cable is totally worth it.
>Also I monitor satellites overhead and download the occasional image from NOAA 15/18 or Meteor M2.
I have a UV5R. How do you do this?
I put a decent $10, 19" stick sma female antenna on it, and found the downlink frequency for each satellite on this site:
n2yo.com
Open the menu on the site and look under "Most tracked". You want to look at Noaa 15, Noaa 18 and Noaa 19 first. The russian Meteor M2 also broadcasts in the same way and at better resolution, but its camera malfunctions from time to time.
The satellites send a continuous image back to earth, one line at a time, in the form of an audio signal. I simply recorded this audio from the UV5R's speaker on my cell phone.
Then I adjusted the cell phone audio file's settings in Audacity (freeware) to specs I found online, and opened it in WXtoImg (also freeware) which turns the audio into an image. There are lots of youtube videos that show you exactly how to do this.
If the weather is overcast and the image only shows clouds, you can have WXtoImg display country borders on the image. But clear skies where you can see coastlines, islands, lakes etc is more impressive of course.
Using a cell phone to record the audio limits the quality of the finished image since it will pick up any background noise plus the UV5R speaker isn't the best.
Also, the bandwidth of the satellite's audio signal is apparently greater than the UV5R can receive, so that's a limitation on quality, too.
But I have downloaded images this way using the UV5R and got a reasonably clear image of my country straight from the satellite in space. Good enough to impress the neighbourhood kids, which is always fun.
I've since bought a SDR radio usb dongle that can receive full bandwidth and will record straight from the PC's sound card to a clean audio file. It's supposed to produce much clearer imagery. Haven't tried it yet though. Need to rig up a small dipole antenna outside first.
But it's absolutely worth the effort using just the UV5R with a cell phone recording. Try to hold the radio/antenna at several different angles and listen for the best audio signal.
Me again. Here's a kid on youtube who's using a nearly identical setup as me, walking you through every step of capturing and processing audio and converting it to an image file:
I believe this was the first video I watched for instructions when I first got into the whole satellite image capture thing. It covers everyting you need to know to get going, in less than 12 minutes!
thanks, this is really cool stuff
No problem, and good luck on downloading your first image from space!
first ever wholesome PrepHole moment
One more thing:
On the individual satellite pages on the n2yo.com site you can click on a link called "10 day predictions" in the top left section.
This will provide a list of all of that satellite's overhead passes "visible" from your location for the next 10 days, INCLUDING the maximum angle/elevation for each pass relative to your position on earth.
Now look in the El (elevation) column. 90 degrees is directly overhead and gives you the best signal, but anything over 60-70 degrees is plenty elevation. Tall buildings and hills will affect the amount of time the satellite is in your "view" where you are.
Noaa satellites operate around 800 km (~500 miles) above earth, so even a 75 degree pass can appear to be "straight up".
You can track the satellite live on n2yo.com too, and observe it on your computer as it climbs over the horizon and comes into "view" while you hear the audio signals getting stronger on the UV5R.
I'm sure schools/teachers could use this cheap setup to get kids really interested in space (i.e. simple applied physics and math for 5-10 year olds).
Cool as shit, anon.
Modern SDRs are amazing. I use my RSPdx as a flight tracker when I'm not fucking around with decoding cellphone transmissions.
The 130Mhz tuned fullwave antenna at 5 feet above roof height can "see" plane transponders up to 140 miles away.
Cool! I have a couple of airports less than 25 miles away from me so I need to try that when I get my SDR up and running.
One of the main flight paths from Europe (and the Middle East) to North America goes directly over my county too, so we have a lot of interesting traffic coming through our skies here. I keep track on flightradar24.com for now.
This is something my 12 year old self would have LOVED.
>hunting party
Yes, fedbois, just a hunting party out to bag some hogs
Just deer hunting actually. No hogs around here. Although the deer population is breeding and growing almost as bad as hogs in the U.S., and we should be shooting far more of them. They feed in urban gardens now and just look at you dumb if you try to scare them off.
Sweden has a huge hog problem though, and some of them have made their way over the border in southeast Norway. Where they're usually shot within a day or two, or should I say night - since they roam around after dark. Night vision scopes aren't legal for hunting, but the legislators didn't say anything about thermal scopes so those hog hunters who can afford them, can use IR scopes for hogs and night-active varmints (mainly foxes - but wolverines, wolves and even bears can be put down if they attack livestock).
Also, we don't have any feds so we're good haha!
Norway has no national police force?
We have just 1 police force, and it's national. No local sheriffs or jurisdiction disputes. And nothing federal - we're not a federation of states.
Compared to the U.S. and its 50 states+feds, where Wikipedia lists these U.S. Law Enforcement entities:
73 federal agencies
50 primary state law enforcement agencies
638 other state agencies
1,733 special jurisdiction agencies
3,063 sheriff's offices (an elected law enforcement official???wtf?)
12,501 municipal, county, tribal and regional police departments.
I guess this list sort of explains the showdown in Rio Arriba where the Española PD w/SWAT entry team set up a perimeter before tactically entering the local Sheriff's office with a warrant for the sheriff's arrest. Hilarious, watch it on youtube for laughs!
Americans are a Nation of Laws, not men. Just like the Founding Fathers intended.
As are virtually all other 1st world nations.
Fun fact: the Norwegian constitution was based in part on the American constitution (and the French, but we try to forget that).
Fun fact 2: there are more people with Norwegian ancestry living in the U.S., than there are in Norway. (Albeit most of them live in flyover states so according to NY and LA they don't count.)
Here in the states, federal just means national, since their jurisdiction extens across all states. I'm sure having a single national control point of all police in Norway grants enourmous control and homogenization over policing. I assume this also means there is virtually no difference in interaction with police in any city as well?
>an elected law enforcement official???wtf?
That's a holdover from the shire system in England (shire reeve -> sheriff). A county, bascially all territory outside the city for a good distance, votes to elect their sheriff. Between the city, county, and state traffic police, that is 99% of LE interaction in the state. Outside of cities and highways, the sheriff's department will be the only LE you interact with. In effect, he can simply choose not to enforce certain offences (illegal immigration, weapon laws, most misdemeanors) and usually this prevents state or federal agencies from ever knowing if everyone involved agrees.
It probably sounds like insanity outside former English colonies, but it claws back a tiny bit of power from the nation's capitol, which in my experience doesn't give two shits abour rural America outside tax dues and food stocks.
You're exactly right. All cops go to the same police academy which takes 3 years and earns them a law enforcement degree. Anyone not fit for police duty or up to their standards is removed early on in the selection process.
So yes this produces a very homogenous force with the same skillset and knowledge across the board. You could be pulled over or investigated by different officers on opposite sides of the country, and your experience would be nearly identical regardless of location.
Also no jurisdiction issues or territorial disputes. Everyone's in the same force with the same badge and the same training. Which helps whenever reinforcements are brought in from other counties (e.g. large sporting events that require extra policing or complex crimes such as murders, terrorism threats or hostage situations).
Every county has a group of more highly trained officers that make up a tactical team. If shtf there is also a division of so-called "national resources" i.e. an elite counterterrorism unit and a bomb squad in the capital, but they too are drawn from the regular ranks of graduated officers and put through more rigorous training. So that part is a lot like your local SWAT teams vs the FBI's HRT.
The sheriff part doesn't sound like insanity, it's probably a good way to keep law enforcement connected with the local community and avoid too many MRAP-equipped encounters from "us or them" cops.
>shire reeve -> sheriff
t. Hobbit
>Is it just for dress up purposes because military guys have radios?
For the people who talk about stuff like hooking them up to various electronic earpro, yeah. Either that or they're retards who don't realize how incredibly hard they'd get fist fucked by modern SIGINT capabilities.
I ain't aiming to get shot at by the National Guard. Plus, shoulder mics are annoying, even without ear pro. I just don't want to pay that Comtac premium.
Exactly what use case do you see where you'll need to use a radio with earpro on?
> "Hey, anon, can you bring me the-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC"
> "Say that again, someone's shooting Bi-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC"
> ...
> ...
> "We good to talk n-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC-TAC"
He might not have picked up my mic over the gunfire, but since I paid for electronic ear pro, it would be nice to hear the radio even over gunfire next to me.
When exactly are you going to need to worry about that though?
In my case, AI on a pistol course when the range over needed keys to a vehicle and he couldn't safely leave.
But really anytime you are around loud shit and you need to hear the radio because people are spread out. Something as simple as being a gopher on a UTV can need a way to pipe a HT to earpro.
>In my case, AI on a pistol course when the range over needed keys to a vehicle and he couldn't safely leave.
Why not just handle this via texting like normal people have been able to do for over a decade now? Vibrate mode on cellphones came to the scene only a couple years after cellphones that someone might stick in their pocket became a thing, and before SMS existed.
>But really anytime you are around loud shit and you need to hear the radio because people are spread out.
When are you dealing with this that isn't work related where your job is providing the radio? I've worked in noisy environments where I had a radio on me before. You just use a quality radio that's loud enough to hear with earpro on rather than spending more on specialized earpro.
> Why not just handle this via texting like normal people have
One, no cell reception there. Two, they don't need my fucking phone number. Three, fuck pulling out the equivalent of a pocket watch just to talk to someone.
> Specialized ear pro
> Specialized
I don't think a Kenwood 2 pin to 3.5mm cable counts as specialized, but opinions may differ. You will need electronic ear pro that filters out gunfire, rather than just clipping the audio feed, like Walkers and the cheapest Peltor sport models will.
>One, no cell reception there.
[x] doubt.
>Three, fuck pulling out the equivalent of a pocket watch just to talk to someone.
Yeah, needing to fuck with a specialized device to call in the range's resident LARPer autist who's too good to use what the average person today has in their pocket is far superior.
>I don't think a Kenwood 2 pin to 3.5mm cable counts as specialized
Earpro that can hook up to a radio is specialized. I've worked in areas where I needed earpro due to loud equipment running in enclosed spaces. The Motorola radios we used were entirely usable with normal disposable foamies.
> Use SMS
> Won't work, got a 3.5mm cable so my Peltor sports work with the range's radios
> No. Use SMS.
Cool, have a good evening, anon.
>how incredibly hard they'd get fist fucked by modern SIGINT capabilities
I wish this got more discussion here. Most people seem to think that SIGINT stopped advancing in WWII for god knows what reason.
>more discussion here.
Not alot to say. There is no counter measure that can't be busted, if there is, you will be located. Period. If you aren't a credible threat you won't be acted upon. If you are, you are done when it is decided you can't be used or your usefulness is outweighed by the spectacle of your destruction. Period. Also, there is no Santa.
>Not alot to say.
How about discussing actual capabilities rather than vague "it's completely impossible to fight" that's indistinguishable from doom and gloom bullshit coming from someone with little to no real knowledge of the subject, or hyper paranoid types who think resource intensive techniques that require man hours of effort to be put in per hour of monitoring a single person are going to be applied to them in particular?
My man, the DoD, and to a lesser extent the DoJ, is like they Eye of Sauron. If it's looking for you, you're fucked. It got to the point in parts of Afghanistan that when the Taliban hit the PTT buttons on their ICOMs, pretty decent radios all things considered, the fucking army knew where to within a decently small radius. Boomers at your local amateur radio club will do fox hunts with nothing but a quad antenna.
If you and your boys are pissing off Uncle Sam, which you probably shouldn't be but I'm not your dad, you need to be moving when you transmit and doing so infrequently. If you are passing sensitive info without a very short time.component, do it in person.
If you're doing shady shit, just realize that anyone with a single laptop and a dogshit RTL-SDR can record an entire 10KHz (I think, it's been a while since I used one) of the radio spectrum. If they want to monitor and record everything from .1Mhz to 2GHz all day every day, they can.
I'd mention encryption, but frankly, if you're on the Feds radar for either, they'll either threaten or just pay one of your associates to give them your keys.
>opens with an Eye of Sauron comparison
>brings up how boomers do fox hunts the old fashion way as something to worry about
So doom and gloom bullshit coming from someone with little to no real knowledge of the subject, and paranoia about labor intensive techniques which require you to directly piss off the wrong people.
So here's a guy with no radio gonna beat Ft Huachucha at it's own game. Lmao.
Anon, I asked about discussion because I'm interested in what's possible. Posting doom and gloom bullshit about something you don't understand isn't discussion.
Yeah.
Huachuca was nothing but bored signal corps nerds in the barracks and kids attending the military intel school. And the testing shit is either Harris or Lockheed.
Army doesn't do shit there.
Sause: I lived in Fort wegotyou for ten years.
And I'm going to rape to death with a rake the cuck who designed the new captain
>nothing but bored signal corps nerd
He didn't have a clearance.
>10KHz
it has a bandwidth of 3.2MHz but just ~2.4 error free. so you can record that whole slice of the spectrum. or jump by retuning
Boomers have addresses, in the event of an insurgency in the US any old fuck trying to help the government out in the middle of nowhere would appear on whatever zoomer liveleak equivalent exists.
Wtf does this even mean?
Reminder that you will never do anything.
Just more internet tough guy bullshit.
>internet tough guy
Ah.
Cool shit, but not sure that it proves you plan on killing old people.
I would never do that, Buffy says that would be wrong.
>Cool shit
But what is it?
Osciliscope. And probably one that's older than a lot of posters on this website, but you'll have to ask the EE nerds. That's outside my wheelhouse.
>Osciliscope
Correct. Measures waveforms in time base (vs. frequency base).
>And probably one that's older than a lot of posters on this website
Model unknowm, looks Tek. What is the median age here?
>EE nerds
Nope. Just nerd. So what do we see? Filename vs. instrument tine vs. post time indicates real time. Input is set to 50Ohms vs. high impedance (1MOhm). Trigger is delayed ~49nS, red tag upper left frame shows trigger point is off yonder from graticule, and set to -240mV rising edge on Ch1, each square on y-axis is 1nS (pretty fast), the signal is ~50/50 period and looks pretty bad, the cursors are abt 5nS delta, so ~50nS _after_ the trigger the rising edge is moving around in time relative to the trigger point (jittering).
I've used that shit a couple times at work for testing out some electrical fault insertions on hardware. Didn't know people used them for radio wave tracking.
>radio wave tracking
Kind of, not really? A spectrum analyzer would likely be better for "tracking" as it is in the frequency base and would show relative power on x-axis. The input would have to be connected to a resonator, like antenna. Or earlier itt there was talk of using SDR as spectral capture for tracking.
>Internet tough guy
lmao what projection, dumbass boomer thinks he's gonna get revenge on all the punks buying those darn chinese walkie talkies.
>doom and gloom bullshit coming from someone with little to no real knowledge of the subject
Yeah.
>that pic
What am I looking at here?
Private sector SIGINT satellites. Currently they're getting leased to countries in Africa to go after poachers and illegal mining.
https://www.he360.com/insight/using-radio-frequency-detection-to-protect-endangered-wildlife/
Currently they can have satellites overhead for about 1 hour 45 minutes in a 12 hour period with the 18 satellites they have currently, and are planning to launch another 12 in the next year and expect to have 60 total by some time in 2025.
>private companies now have better spy satellites than the US and USSR did during the cold war
Yet they are a candle to what mil has now. Fucking Google Earth is like WWII black majic and I have that in my pock. Just remember, all the good shit is clasiffied and tge best shit is compartmentalized (TS SCI).
So you can talk to your friends while you larp.
A lot of people think they make great SHTF radios. But they dont. They'll just get you killed. But if all you care about is larp and airsoft then they are fine. Lots of hilariously over priced accessories available for what is at the end of the day a $25 Chinese radio that cost them $5 to make.
Make a good cheap starting point for Ham radio too. They cover the normal bands you get with your tech license. But you'll want to upgrade pretty quick.
Nope, still have a few more minutes to kill. Plus I'm starting to enjoy this.
Why can't we just have normal radio threads?
I was trying to. Sorry I made the trolls come out of the woodwork.
People have some kind of massive grudge against boopfengs to the extent they don't want people having fun.
Amateurs stop bugging around.
We can scan you and find your baogay coordinates.
Very nice, anon. Now show us the CPS interface.
Why is encryption frowned upon again?
Law enforcement and intel agencies need to listen to what you’re saying.
It's not, assuming you're using 900Mhz or a business license. Amateur bands and FRS/GMRS voice channels are meant to be plain language.
It's not allowed on amateur radio bands because it prevents people from knowing if the person transmitting is breaking the rules. It's primarily to stop people misusing the amateur bands for stuff like commercial purposes or other stuff that takes advantage how the cost of getting on those bands is kept significantly cheaper than other options since they're intended for hobbyist use.
It's a radio.
What do you think people use radios for you stupid dipshit?
I swear this fucking board gets dumber every year.
k is the easiest board to troll
what a waste of a thread
Lots of larpers who think they are going to be running around in teams like spec ops, coordinating shit on their "comms." It's almost as pathetic as the larpers who think they are going to be running around at night with night vision setups, getting into protracted rifle gunfights with "enemy combatants."
>running around in teams like spec ops, coordinating shit on their "comms."
>what channel are they on?
>how should I know?
>they who?
>is this thing on?
>i can't find mine.
If something happens and system-wide power outages knock out normal communications I can monitor the repeaters and talk to people.
I can give one to a parent, other family, a friend, and even with the limited (range) use it's better than nothing.
By the way, you -do- have your HAM radios programmed with the 10 most commonly/largest repeater towers in your area, right?
>buh if powers out?
Nah man, good repeaters are a relatively expensive installation that will have solar and generator backup.
One Neat Trick is you can use a 2.5 to 3.5mm audio cable, set one radio to recieve X frequency, have the 2nd radio VOX enabled and set to transmit Y frequency, and have your own little "to go" repeater you can toss up on a large building, tall tree, or hilltop.
Combine this with a solar powered battery with a voltage converter, and either hardwired into the radio's power contacts or plugged into a "battery eliminator" or a battery with a power plug. Get a couple of N9TAX's tuned rollup antennas.
Boom, personal repeater "tower", when put in a correct (or optimal) spot, you can talk with friends and family for 20 miles or more in ideal circumstances.
But you didn't hear this from me! Boomers hate this one trick.
>Boom, personal repeater "tower",
Interesting, but you will never do this.
You're one of those guys that goes into a porn thread and points out that's what happening isn't real, aren't you?
Post private repeater network. You can't.
>interesting but...!
2 baofengs, a couple 10 watt solar panels, some wiring and plugs if you really need the unecessary modularity, an 8 or 10 amp hour 7.4volt battery, and two 6-foot VHF/UHF antennas.
It's a 20+ mile capable repeater for less than $300.
The 8Ah battery should provide roughly 2.5 hours of full 100% duty cycle of the transmitter radio operating at 5 watts (radio TX is usually ~1.5 amps per 12v for 5 watts of radio power - thus 2.5 amps for an 8.4volt handheld). This 2.5 hrs also accounts for the receiver radio operating ~200ma of drain and the 12v-to-8.4v conversion losses. You could, and probably should, make your own pure 8.4v battery bank from 18650s as it will be immensly cheaper than any premade unit. I would spend $6 per cell for a reputable 3500mah battery and ideally use 5 per bank with 2 banks to get 17Ah at 7.4v (nominal) 8.4v (100% charged). This way, you have not only reserve power, but also margin for battery deterioration.
>you'll never do this
you won't, because you're retarded
So you are just talking about it and can't post pics because you can't. Right.
Cheap ham radio, through a smaller antenna on it and a cage that keeps the buttons from being pressed accidentally and they're nifty short range tactical radios/walkie talkies. I've got 2 set up roughly the same and even have the extended batteries for them. Perfect for property work, or fucking around with your friends in the woods when cell coverage is shit or if you don't want your phone on you.
Get some friends a bitch or learn what to listen to you fucking stupid loser. Fuck. Maybe you should stop pretending like you know anything.
>buy baofeng
>find a local repeater
>has about 6 different boomers on it
>every day at 8PM a guy does a check in
>people one by one say their call sign along with a little joke or quip
>guy ends it by saying what the weather will be tomorrow and says some pleasantries
>leave radio on all day set to the repeater
>throughout the day can hear people talking to each other
>just a couple hours ago a couple guys were talking about how the school buses need new tires but the city wont pay for them
>just this morning a guy was riding his horse randomly talking to another person about the weather
>feel like i'm a fly on the wall in a community i want to be a part of
That is on top of having another baofeng constantly scanning through the GMRS and local places like fire dispatch and transit authority. I don't understand the hate these radios get.
>I don't understand the hate these radios get.
The plastic on mine started crumbling at 2 years, their cases could be a lot thicker, and their front panel UI is probably the worst out there. If this was something that was going to get knocked around on hikes or stupid human tricks at a range, a Yaesu 65r will hold up longer, and it still costs less than a TLR-1 HL.
>a 130 dollar radio will hold up better than a 21 dollar radio
you don't say
The hate comes from a lot of old fucks who hate anyone using any kind of radio communication without providing full evidence that they are licensed to do so by the FCC. A lot of the seethe about them is just sad hams trying to disparage them, claiming that they're junk, they're only for larpers, they're useless because we can track you easily if you sit still and spam the talk button so you should just bow down to the government in a civil conflict anyways, etc. The reality is if cell towers go down you'll want dozens of these in your community.
this is probably a good place to ask
what are some good channels to program for north america in the midwest region?
>https://www.radioreference.com/db/browse/
Click your state and county to find out.
They allow you to talk to other people with similar equipment who are further away than the distance your voice can comfortably carry.
>further away than the distance your voice can comfortably carry.
I have a whistle, checkmate.
>Is it just for dress up purposes because military guys have radios?
voila
I already have an UV-53R bought ages ago when they weren't locked. I understand that all the UV-5R currently on the market are locked, it is still possible to buy an unlocked one somewhere? Or It easier to buy one from Amazon and unlock it? How hard is to unlock also the reset to factory works to unlock it or is just a meme?
The locked ones just need 3 buttons held in while powering on to unlock them retard.
I saw the YT video, I also heard that factory reset can brick it. Also are the F8HP on Amazon unlocked or its just some salesman bullshit? I saw the on Amazon and on the description it says 136-174MHz VHF & 400-520MHz UHF
I get a fair bit of use outta them while camping. If someone wants to stay back with the tent while the rest of us go off hunting/hiking then having radio contact means we can have them put some coffee when we're on our way back or whatever.
It's also part of my emergency plan for getting in touch with family and friends if shtf. Any major disaster (or hell just a bad winter storm) will interrupt the phone network - keeping a baofeng in each of our cars will make it way easier to regroup with my wife if shit goes down while we're at work.
It's mostly dress up.
They're okayish, at least you can communicate with other Baofeng owners, but lack of SSB support can be a problem. It's a small individual radio not meant to be a base station and it's just good at that.
>What do you do with them?
Nothing, no one here has any friends so there's no one to talk to, everyone is just prepping with those for a day when they'll have friends which will never come.
I have one to listen to the firies when there's bushfires nearby. that's about it
I use mine to listen to FM radio while I larp in my apartment.
Based commercial radio listener.
With a decent Comet or whatever antenna they got surprisingly good FM reception.
How does that work? I thought FM radio all went digital? I haven't tuned in to public radio in some years.
>turn radio on
>push the fm button
>???
Profit
As far as I know, Norway and Norway only went over to DAB and retired the FM antenna network for regular public radio. There are a handful of local radios still sending here and there. While other countries also upgraded to DAB they weren't so stupid as to retire a network capable of reaching the whole country in an emergency situation. So yes, your FM radio can still receive public radio.
More background: the government's reason for shutting down FM completely and moving to DAB exclusively was "Because that's what the rest of Europe are doing!"
Then everyone else backtracked and kept FM. Which would be the reasonable thing for Norway to do as well, but you cannot reason with incompetence. So they stayed with that grossly irresponisble decision.
It's almost like that time they shut down the Naval Home Guard in 2017 to replace them with drones, only problem was they cancelled the drone purchase shortly thereafter.... you couldn't make this shit up.
Thank god at least the new secretary of defence finally cancelled the long overdue NH90 helicopter contract, and ordered U.S. supplied Sea Hawks earlier this week!
If you owned one you might understand. They have far more functionality than a typical receiver or walkie-talkie.
They came in handy one time when my power went out and i wanted to make sure my grandpa was okay without actually going to his place.
As far as actual comms tools, they’re pretty shit but better than nothing. What they are handy for is a cheap way to listen in on HAM, NOAA, and civil service frequencies. I have mine set up to scan all the local police and fire channels. Hear some pretty neat stuff sometimes.