I really hate flavor of the year bolt gun cartridges.

I really hate flavor of the year bolt gun cartridges. 308, 300WM, and 223 cover everything you could ever need from a centerfire rifle cartridge and they won't die out in a few years like the latest and greatest new thing probably will.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but 300CPR 6.4201337mm is going to replace obsolete 5.56 and 7.62 any day now and you'll die in muh boogaloo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      300 PRC probably won't, since it needs a magnum length section, but 7mm PRC actually has a chance.
      That being said I do most my hunting with a. 308

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but 7mm PRC actually has a chance
        I don't think it does if they keep it proprietary. People have seen that movie before.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i fell for the 300 memeout meme. but i still like it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's not very regular seating depth
      but yeah I like my blackout too. 45-70 is pretty sweet as well.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >45-70
        that is anything but 'flavor of the year'.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Super based cartridge of your father's father's father's father.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            my great grandfather actually died from one, he set his hunting rifle down wrong while crossing a fence or something, the bullet went in low on one side, through his heart and out his shoulder. His son, my dad's dad, found him. I had another ancestor whose family was tortured and murdered by lakota sioux, he lost his shit and sold everything he owned to buy bullets and guns and tracked them across three states, killing as many as he could. I bet he used a 45-70 on them from time to time. I have a sweet stbl myself, love this thing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >he lost his shit and sold everything he owned to buy bullets and guns and tracked them across three states, killing as many as he could
              Absolutely based injun remover

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          45-70 is old but it has gotten more popular thanks to CoD

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I will embrace fuddcore and get a 300winmag and a ghetto BAR from bear creek when they release SOON(tm).

        Can someone explain 458socom/hamr? Auto loading cope or cool shit?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like .450 Mossmaster. Basically moderate .45-70 ballistics out of an AR-15.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wish the bushmaster wasnt so expensive, even to reload, otherwise that would be my go to caliber for pretty much everything.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >458socom/hamr
          SOCOM is for AR15 platform, HAMR is for AR10 platform.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            incorrect, it takes a proprietary rifle with wildcat internals to shoot the 458 hamr

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Way to have a nice day in the foot when developing and bringing a new cartridge to market.

              “It can fit in an AR15 but the rifle will blow up so you need this fancy new upper with a beefier bolt”

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't really think that is a meme. I also don't think efforts at developing stuff like 375 raptor is (though sadly that one probably won't work out). But having capable subsonic performance out of shorter barrels, designed around really good suppression while still being able to be of use to 100-300yd, is a legitimate goal imo. Arguably not even as niche as the ultra long range stuff, pretty much everyone shoots at least some at <300yd if not the majority, and everyone can benefit from quieter rounds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not flavor of the year. it fits a specific application perfectly. the .300 whisper was standardized in the 90's and the whole "blackout" marketing push was just a revitalization.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Checked. I wouldn’t say .300 is a meme. It’s great for what it was designed for. Some people don’t get that. It’s still growing in popularity so I expect ammo price to go down somewhat.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I really hate flavor of the year bolt gun cartridges. 308, 300WM, and 223 cover everything you could ever need from a centerfire rifle cartridge and they won't die out in a few years like the latest and greatest new thing probably will.
    I hate absolutest statements, and I say that as someone who only has 22, 9mm, and 308 (in new guns, not counting ancient stuff which I don't actively shoot often). I agree that the vast VAST majority do not have their skill remotely maxed out by those cartridges. I agree that the retards who constantly jump and shill fotm even to newbies while ignoring economics and such are jackasses. But
    >you could ever need
    There are in fact people who really do shoot ultra long range competitively. Who really have hit the limits of what those old cartridges can do. There is no doubt as a matter of fundamental physics that some of the new ones have much higher BCs and will carry more energy farther, flatter. We can manufacture stuff now with precision that we couldn't 50 or 75 or 100 years ago. People who know what they're doing can go with whatever they want. And most of them also reload, which negates a lot of the cost issues as well.

    I also don't actually think 308/300/223 will be forever, because there is a slow accumulation of tech that I think will eventually mean a big switchover, and it might as well be to something with better BC while we're at it. Like, if it becomes compelling to move to polymer cased telescoped rounds ANYWAY because they're lighter, cheaper, more compact and more durable, well might as well also go to 7mm or whatever advanced computer modeling indicates is the best.

    Not that this shit doesn't all get heavily over hyped to squeeze more money from the common man, but at the same time I'm glad the upper 1% of shooters keep probing the limits. I just wish manufacturers weren't such greedy fags about it.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >308, 300WM, and 223
    That's a very short list. Imo, if the cartridge is here and it's not unreasonably priced, it's fair game. Bolt guns are most enjoyable shooting slowly and accurately.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bolt guns are most enjoyable shooting slowly and accurately.
      True, OP is obviously kind of being a gay like OP is 100% of the time. If his point was "you should probably git gud with basic cheap & plentiful before going to pricey" that'd be fair enough but "you don't NEED more" was retarded.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >38-55 brass
      Tell me who that is right now. Starline hasnt made brass in a minute, and I have an 1885 and a lever gat that need 38-55 brass since it seems everyone stopped making that shit in 2001.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That is starline, red means no

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is true, but nothing is going to stop the wave generated from bolt action circles for having the money, energy, tools and skill to make it happen and spilling all over the dam down stream every year.

      Funny thing, the last time I was on that page a few weeks ago, I was looking at straight wall 223 case modification into 357 rimless and subsequently 300 ham'r.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I was looking at straight wall 223 case modification into 357 rimless and subsequently 300 ham'r.
        Reminded me of the anon in the reloading general making Nagant revolver ammo out of fucking .223 of all things.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well what I was looking at was in the range of rimless to rimless, that would fit in the same carrier group and mag and that company makes the base casing with the head that fits the purpose just right.
          He is gonna shrink the base and make the rim. Hope he know his way to the brass.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you just named 3 fly by night hipster cartridges. literally all you need is 7x57mm. 7.92x57mm, and 9.3x62mm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But .223 and .308 aren't "hipster, fly-by-night" rounds. Are your parents siblings?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm really curious about the ballistics of this round. If it truly is what it seems to be (a beefed-up 6.5 Grendel with a bit more case capacity and even longer, higher-BC bullets) and has roughly similar average cartridge weight and recoil force to the Grendel, 6.8 SPC and 7.62x39, it could have some real potential.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuuuuuttuuuuuurrreeeeeeee!!!

      I am patiently waiting for some autist to get the bright idea that with a hybrid case, a 5.56 analog can now be made below the OAL needed to fit into a grip mounted magazine, and make an MP7-type assault rifle. If I were mechanically inclined and not a depressed NEET, I might get on it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why are the cases so fat?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's based on .308 i think

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          but WHY? there's no need for an intermediate 6.5 to be that fat and making it slimmer would reduce bulk and increase magazine capacity.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well maybe you're just wrong you ever think of that?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm pretty sure I'm right this time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's fatter to meet oal requirements while still having the power to be effective at long distances. They don't just make a cartridge fat for the heck of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they have a proprietary magazine anyway. they could have made it any OAL.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was actually developed from the Army Marksmanship Unit's .264 USA experiment round. I would assume the dimensions are pretty similar overall to .280 British, save for the smaller diameter bullet of course.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >based on .264 USA
            wasn't that based on a .30 case head? so not really similar to .280 british.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the most efficient shape for a case to be is a sphere, you get the most push on the bullet per psi of pressure. Long skinny rounds waste energy on the walls of the chamber, but stack easier in magazines and feed through gun internals better, so it's a tradeoff like everything else about guns.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Am I missing something? The case, other than its volume, has nothing to do with how much pressure over how much area is being exterted on the bullet. That is determined by bore/bullet diameter. What does a sphere have to do with any of this?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Burn rate and efficiency ties into case shape as well. If you have a long and narrow case, you consequently require a longer barrel for optimal powder burn. Conversely with a short and fat cartridge, you can get away with a shorter barrel. The reason being that the primer is centrally located to the powder charge with more surface area to ignite and expand. In the long and narrow cases, the powder at the front of the cartridge has to wait for the powder behind it to react. Hope that makes sense to you.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .223 literally just died.

    >7.62x39 for close/intermediate range SBRs (zero point in an intermediate not being an SBR since it should be your indoors applications rifle, if you must be gay get a bullpup 5.56 but again 5.56 just got phased out)
    >.308 for everything else
    >.300WM if you're actually going to train to make 1000y+ shots (you're not, stop larping, this is pointless for you to waste money on unless you're going to get sniper training)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no it didn't.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Replace 7.62x39 on your post with 300 blackout and you could literally use the same projectiles in all three calibers, drastically simplifying reloading.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        30cpr vs 60cpr and you can't get cool guns like the AK & VZ in it. You have to get some gross aluminum ARshit with a mandatory dildo on the back that doesn't allow for folding stocks (extra compactness).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What if we keep the 7.62x39, but put our expanding 300blk bullets into 308 cases for a nice little explosion on contact at 3000fps

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are retarded

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>7.62x39 for close/intermediate range SBRs
      >picking a round that does worse than 5.56 SMKs
      Ok retard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shooting 5.56 out of an SBR defeats a large portion of it's effectiveness.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know there's specific bullets made to be lethal and have reliable expansion at low velocities for 556 right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are many bullets that still fragment or expand from and SBR to 150-200 yards. SMKs for example still perform like designed to like 250

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But how would we get new and better cartridges if nobody makes new ones? 99% of flavors of the month will peak at just that, but a few will go on to become staples that do something or everything better than the cartridge(s) they replace.

    In 20 years anons will be posting about how they hate flavors of the month and all one needs is 6.8x51 and some other cartridge created and adopted between then and now.

    I’m sort of expecting a paradigm shift in the near-ish future of all rifle cartridge being replaced by hybrid cased analogs or improvements, but for safety reasons they’d all have to be brand new case dimensions unable to be chambered in existing guns. 80kpsi or greater will become the default max pressure as it becomes cheaper to make hybrid cases, just as 55-65kpsi is ubiquitous now.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >7MM Rem Mag mogs them all and has been around longer than OP's aids

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have to go back.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying 7mm mag is reddit

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing in North America you need .300 WM for.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shooting things that you need .308 for but really far away.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Armored deer wearing aviators and agency ball caps

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There's nothing in North America you need .300 WM for.
      1000 yard matches
      308 falls out of supersonic and "wobbles"
      300WM stays supersonic until after it punches paper.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay so just shoot 308 then. Why are you posting a thread about not liking new calibers instead of making an actually shooting related thread?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like .270

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But I like 7.62x39...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's ok, fren. I like .338 Lapua magnum.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why cares? Buy and shoot cool guns.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fuck? All you need is a
    .30-06
    .30-06
    And a .30-06
    Tell u whut.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    22lr, 9mm, 7.62x39, 308, 12ga, and 50bmg are the only calibers you'll ever need
    454 casull/ 460s&w chambered revolver and lever gun to use pretty much anything in 45cal ie 410, 45acp, 45 colt, etc

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I am being completely honest .44 mag/special is the only caliber I will ever need, there is a bullet mad for pretty much any purpose you could imagine short of long distance shooting, which i don't do anyway.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty much the opposite. I own a .308 bolt gun but the rest are metric rounds like 7x64, 8x57, 9.3x62 or big retarded boomers like the.416 Rigby. I just like variety and having a bunch of different beautiful bolt guns.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thoughts on .223 bolt action rifles? any good recommendations for one in the $1000-$1500 price range?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$1000-$1500
      You're gonna spend that to kill varmints?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I took the swisspill and 7,5x55 is everything is I shoot these days

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reason new rifle cartridges are still being developed is there are companies that are seeking better ballistic coefficients by making longer bullets. Those longer bullets don't seat within existing casings unless you sacrifice and reduce overall powder capacity. If you try to seat them within casings without doing so, you are limited by the overall cartridge length being too long for existing magazines. This is why you see fat and short casings, with long bullets, being more and more prevalent. This is why new "flavor of the month" cartridges keep being produced. Everyone is chasing better BCs.
    All that being said, I generally agree with your statement about having a few different cartridges covering essentially what everyone's real use application pertains to. Even still, while I have little use for w/e the new "flavor of the month" cartridge is, I still choose to keep an open mind and be mindful that each new itteration is a baby-step along the way to the innovations of the future. For instance, we could all just be like the Russians and their 7.62x54r. If that were the case, in the west, we'd all still be using the same .30-06 that our grandad's were using. Realistically speaking, .30-06 is capable of dropping anything alive on the continent. But we've come a long way since then, and in another hundred years, we'll have come a long way from where we are today.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >308, 300WM and 223
    Well in North America that is probably true.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on what you use the rifle for. None of these are great competition or target cartridges.

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