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I like it when tanks do this.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Me too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine 50 T-72 blowing up simultaneously

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        TURRET RAIN

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Some may fly, but all end up in Ukraine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ahhh skeet skeet mothafricka

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I read about those in the 90's.

      It was a dream cum true to watch them in action against ruSSian tanks

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It was a dream cum true to watch them in action against ruSSian tanks
        Have they been used in ukraine?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The BLU-108/B hasn't but we have seen SFWs launched from SMArt 155 and Bonus arty shells.
          SMArt used the DM-1489 or DM-1490 submunition, I can't find the name of the Bonus submunitions, they look a lot like BLU-108/B's but not the same.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's dumb af, but looks cool

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gihren's Greed had some good stuff.
      Its a real shame they stopped making those games, but if they kept making them today you know they'd just frick it up with how the quality of the franchise has went.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Gihren's Greed
        Huh, I'd been wondering for a long dang time which spinoff that scene came from.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gees, couldn't they at least draw to scale.

        0.07 seconds in, guy is a one story tall and one lane wide.
        0.14 seconds in, guy is over 5 story tall and two lines wide.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i feel like it would be more noticeable if he doubled in size in just .07 seconds

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They don't hope kids to notice that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I remember as an 8 year old, I offhandedly rejected Gundam for its prefix "Mobile Suit" in the title. I'd say to my friends, "As opposed to what, an 'immobile' suit?" I wanted to make a picture of a Gundam torso bolted to a turret base, protecting a hydroelectric dam: that would be Immobile Suit Gundam.

            For your first point Gundam Wing of all series has one of the characters mention that he'll need to secure a source of vernier fuel now that he's behind enemy lines. And somewhat related, the OG has an episode dedicated to the crew stopping in a ruined space colony to salvage salt because they hadn't finished stocking up when they had to leave the colony the show started at due to the attack.

            >Gundam Wing of all series has one of the characters menion... he'll need to secure a source of vernier fuel
            That's nice, there was at least a throwaway-line referring to the the idea of physical constraints.
            But as you did say "of all series," you seem fully aware of what a fever-dream and recycled-footage wreck Wing is.

            https://i.imgur.com/81ymYpM.jpg

            That's more an issue that the officially listed calibers of MS weapons has always been at odds with how gigantic the suits were at 18 meters tall. And even that's not as bad as the whole issue with the average mobile suit supposedly weighing only about 60ish metric tons like a modern MBT.

            These problems are kinda baked into the setting.

            I've got an even better comparison pic for ya. Buried deep in Twixxer.
            This comparison is even more fitting because, if you happen to know 機動 - 戦士, the Kanji for "Kidou Senshi Gandamu," [Maneuver-Machine Battle-Warrior] ("Mobile Suit Gundam") the "Kidou" is related to a metanym for counting aircraft.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no way US streets could withstand that weight, are Japanese ones really built to that spec?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gundam is far enough in the future that they started using a new calender and a good portion of humanity lives in orbiting space colonies and on the moon. Presumably the infrastructure has been overhauled at least once between now and then. Plus mobile suits don't weigh much more than modern MBTs.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ground pressure

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Minovsky particles.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Muh particles

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >this fictional thing in this fictional universe can't do this thing it does in the real universe that it doesn't inhabit!

                You may have autism.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA
                I think he's more saying that Minovsky Particles don't somehow negate the specific gravity of a 60 Ton assembly.
                The plot purpose of Minovsky Particles is to jam radar and comms, to cause general electromagnetic interference.
                The point of Minovsky Particles is to bring the scale of fighting back into something that the normalgay brain easily grasps. Also so that a director/studio can more easily fit battles within just one or two screen frames. To simplify the logic of fight choreography. To cut down on thinking.
                Unless you can point to something in the UC that says Minovsky Particles also frick with gravity...

                But anyway. Even if they did frick with gravity... whenever we see the giant bipeds walking around, they're not shown to also be venting thrust or radiation against Earth's pull. So I don't see how Minovsky Particles come into play. These machines' footprints would concentrate impractical amounts of downward force into a single point. And then, when it wants to juke, or launch into a sprint, or jump, it's even going to multiply its normal weight into one foot by several factors.
                So unless these machines were to fight on the Rocky Mountains, Alps, or Himalayas where you're on straight bedrock... or maybe on Mars... or an Orbital Ring like in Tekkaman Blade, or on a Space Colony... or a huge fictional Asteroid...
                unless you were in those kinds of specific settings, then the feet will just bog down, the whole assembly would trip on itself.
                Basically a Mobile Suit that walks will always be "walking in deep mud."

                You would need a Mobile Suit to either:
                1) have special kits for surface operations, which make them essentially wear snow shoes. like picrel. But this would probably never be done because it doesn't look elegant, and Gundam makes most of its money on aesthetics.
                2) have special kits or refits similar to Armored Core, where you ditch the biped configuration entirely, in favor of quaduped lowers, or caterpillar tread lowers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Artillery basically doesn't exist in popular media.

      Artillery seems like it gets completly ignored in Gundam.

      Minovsky Particles is the reason why smart munitions don't work and everyone has to get close with their giant robots. But you'd still be able to get effect out of just spamming a target area with guns and dumb missiles.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Minovsky Particles
        Aka writer's usual bs

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The ability to engage with hypotheticals in good faith is our most important ability.
          However, when a writer doesn't follow through with his hypothetical, that's bad faith.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >, when a writer doesn't follow through with his hypothetical, that's bad faith.
            They do it tho, it's all about scope of what's good faith. All sunrise's mecha franchisies has been very consistent in one thing: make money.
            They purposely has been removing anything that is dangerous to the usefulness of mechas, the-white-gundam-special-power and fanfics (specially this).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because if you point out its existence, the Gundams become even more moronic of a concept

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The original MSG actually had a bit of combined arms, since it was before the retcons about GMs being made earlier and in much larger numbers or that AKTUALLY there was a dozen other prototype gundams running around at the same time that never got mentioned in the original series.

          Odessa for instance was conquered mainly by conventional units like tanks and such from the Federation army with Whitebase and its three mechs being only part of the operation.

          Also how the Federation was able to keep the fight going against Zeon on Earth for months before they got MS despite having their shit rocked by the global aftermath of the colony drop or getting their space fleet zerged, it was their superior airforce and numbers that Zeon could never overcome with their own goofy attempts at planes and giant robot men.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So for the longest time Earth was surviving off their own leftover shit from past arms races?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No? There had been no major conflicts for the Federation but there was developments of their armed forces like new models of fighter jets coming out or new refurbishment of their space battleships such as changing the physical cannons over to beam cannons.

              Its just the bullshit that was giant robots came out at the start of the war and because this is anime and they are the gimmick they were unstoppable in space, yet turned out to be alot less effective on the ground.
              Also Spacenoids couldn't design a practical tank or plane for shit, because they live locked in cans of their own farts in space and have never really developed them before.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The main goal of Amuro in the first three quarters of MSG is keeping the White Base alive (because that's where all the main characters are)
            almost by coincidence they achieve a couple of major strategic victories like killing Garma, which is honestly more on Char than anyone in White Base
            Then in the last quarter, Amuro's main purpose is to take out the latest ace prototype Zeon is throwing out (the Elmeth being arguably the only one that posed an actual strategic threat to the Federation, since it's pretty much impossible for anyone who isn't a high-grade Newtype to combat it)
            In other words they are a relatively small piece in a far larger war. The Federation's Solar System and Zeon's Solar Ray both change the strategic picture in a way no one pilot ever could. Zeon is getting fricking curbstomped near the end right up until the moment Gihren unironically gives them an actual chance of at least getting decent peace terms with the Solar Ray added into the equation.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Gihren unironically gives them an actual chance of at least getting decent peace terms with the Solar Ray added into the equation.

              And then he fricks that up by actually using it before it was ready, instead of keeping it in his back pocket, because Degwin was the only member of that family with enough brains to see which way that war was going, and had gone to negotiate surrender terms with the federation. Had Gihren not chimped out the war would have ended sooner, and the Zabis would have been able to retain power. Instead Zeon was doomed to irrelevancy for a couple decades, became a republic, and only Mineva(disappointing she didn't inherit her dad's hugeness)lived.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >then he fricks that up by actually using it before it was ready, instead of keeping it in his back pocket
                That was the most optimum time to fire the laser no? I mean he wiped out like 3/5th of the Feddie fleet and evened the coming battle for A Boa Qu. Also this is Gihren we're talking about, the Federation could've been preparing for an unconditional surrender to Zeon and he still would've fired that laser.

                https://i.imgur.com/x6XGqTf.png

                The original MSG actually had a bit of combined arms, since it was before the retcons about GMs being made earlier and in much larger numbers or that AKTUALLY there was a dozen other prototype gundams running around at the same time that never got mentioned in the original series.

                Odessa for instance was conquered mainly by conventional units like tanks and such from the Federation army with Whitebase and its three mechs being only part of the operation.

                Also how the Federation was able to keep the fight going against Zeon on Earth for months before they got MS despite having their shit rocked by the global aftermath of the colony drop or getting their space fleet zerged, it was their superior airforce and numbers that Zeon could never overcome with their own goofy attempts at planes and giant robot men.

                It's really a shame they only focused on Mobile Suits after MSG, stuff like the Dodai, Type 61, or Medea made the OYW so much more grounded and believable than any conflict that came afterwards

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                IIRC his advisors tell him if he had waited he would have got more of the fleet but then he wouldn't have got Revil and Degwin(his othe goal, he wanted to be de jure ruler of zeon, not just de facto). Also if memory serves it wasn't three fifths , it was one third.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The issue comes with it fricking with radios too. Kind of hard to communicate coordinates back to your artillery when your radio doesn't work. Basically your artillery is good for an opening Salvo in any given battle, then the enemy is gonna turn the minovsky particles up to full blast, move all their dudes around, and now you don't know where any of them are anymore. Unless you get their mothership in that first salvo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh MP
          >Implying that you can't comms without radios....

          -and ignoring that gundams themselves... whatever sunrise shill-

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If Gundam were science fiction, and not Samurai Star Wars, then everyone will have developed retrograde solutions to Minovsky Particle handwaving.
          There could have been much better portrayal of ingenious and quirky types of semaphore or hyper-charged beam communications.
          There could be an edgy faction that uses religously motivated kamikaze pilots to compensate for lost edge-spectrum guidance.
          There should be WAY more robotics, and also some attention given to just what the heck people do to earn a living, anymore.
          Original series occasionally shows ships communicating via spotlight Morse, but this seems mostly out of a desire to dangle WW2 jangley keys in front of the history nerd target audience.
          Oh and I guess Anavel Gato shoots a flare in Stardust Memory.
          But I think that's it.
          I want to like Gundam but as other anons have put it eloquently, it's almost entirely bs, to snag filthy casuals.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The original series is literally just WWII Pacific Theater in space.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I mostly agree. The way they plagiarize so much NatSoc and Old World Aristocratic aesthetic, though, it makes me think there's a more general WW2 throwback pandering.

              I don't know enough about the specific battles so I've sometimes wondered what A Baua Ku is supposed to correspond to, if anything.
              I've seen it compared to a few different points in the Pacific theater.

              Side note, I was watching a few Japanese videos about Samara, Leyte, Peleilu et cetera.
              And I noticed the more nationalistic Japanese in the comments have a sticking point that it be called "The Greater East Asia War" and not "The War of the Pacific." They're worried the population is getting further infected by a General Administration [MacArthur] and Korean (lol wut?) mind-virus.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is a lot of flare use in CCA and Zeta. CCA and Unicorn also feature dummy balloons to fool the image recognition used by suit optical sensors in place of reliable radar returns.

            In F91 the suits have point to point comms wires they shoot out to communicate with nearby friendlies.
            The original series features wire guided missiles on some of the vehicles, allowing for guiding without minovsky interference.
            Unicorn features an EWAC suit using a massive camera attached to one arm and a high power communications laser attached to the other while scouting prior to an attack

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >CCA
              There's a handful of tactical gems of duel sequences in Gundam, I'll back you up on that. And I'm they guy who's been ragging on Gundam with the sabot petals.
              >F91 mentioned
              I find it ironic that F91 gets poo-poo'd. It put more care and thought into its battles than most offerings.
              The Gundam fandom fascinates me. Despite me liking many other mecha or mecha-adjacent shows (some also from Sunrise), Gundam's popularity above all the others is like an alien reality.

              https://i.imgur.com/81ymYpM.jpg

              That's more an issue that the officially listed calibers of MS weapons has always been at odds with how gigantic the suits were at 18 meters tall. And even that's not as bad as the whole issue with the average mobile suit supposedly weighing only about 60ish metric tons like a modern MBT.

              These problems are kinda baked into the setting.

              > problem is baked into the setting
              Forgive me, but I have to disagree. Tomino had total freedom to make up any rules he wanted at any point, to build a setting where every machine-character has its give-and-take. Or at very least where every Space Battleship doesn't go poof like a Hydrogen Airship (or a Soviet T-series).

              I have a friend who's a huge Gundam fan: a shelf full of Gunpla, tells me Battle Operation 2 memes.
              One day, I told him about all my gripes about Sunrise's Mobile Suit designs, how they're just purely silly. How they could be made semi-rational with easy tweaks that Sunrise never makes.
              Then I started walking the walk, instead of just talking the talk. This is a piece of the direction my ideas took...

              How does this monstrosity strike you?
              I've always had a natural inclination toward Western-Pop / von Braun & NASA 60's & 70's aesthetic. And among Sunrise's ideas, I favor designs like Dra-C or Moran, which do not attempt a "hero figure."
              Failure states: I don't know if this crosses into "Mobile Armor" or if you just see a Kshatriya with simplified geometry.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know shit about your funny robot anime. But why can't they just use wired field telephones?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          … they can make frickhuge robot suits that can go to space and back…. Can’t make a bunch of small quadcopters to act as receiver/repeaters for a signal sent via laser beam to a radio outside the area of the plot device particles…

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because the minovsky particles also frick with unshielded electronics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Artillery basically doesn't exist in popular media.

        If you want to include artillery in a battle, in a way that a midwit audience member finds compelling,
        You need to take care to map out and quickly communicate a whole region of terrain. You have to draw the audience's attention along a nice straight line from the shot-out to the splash.
        Consider how rare it is for ANY medium to show you the exact relation even of adjacent rooms in a single building.
        It's simply beyond the ability, even of people calling themselves pros, of most people to portray a whole canvas of moving parts.

        You and I might get it, and we might even think we could do it. Frankly you could just plagiarize parts of real Earth geography and irl battle maps, and get away with it, and be praised for your attention to realism. But for whatever reasons, we'll never be in any position to make autistically-worldbuilt pop art that hits the same saturation as Gundam, and gets neato physical merch.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is there any show or movie that does justice to artillery?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Youjo Senki

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But you'd still be able to get effect out of just spamming a target area with guns and dumb missiles.

        They are able and do on occasion. They literally reshaped a mountain in 08th MS Team. Problem is

        The issue comes with it fricking with radios too. Kind of hard to communicate coordinates back to your artillery when your radio doesn't work. Basically your artillery is good for an opening Salvo in any given battle, then the enemy is gonna turn the minovsky particles up to full blast, move all their dudes around, and now you don't know where any of them are anymore. Unless you get their mothership in that first salvo.

        mixed with the fact that thermal detection/visualization equipment and targeting computers has evolved to compensate for minovsky particles messing with anything guided, and an artillery position would be revealed seconds after firing which the target you just fired at is already reacting to alongside the rest of his buddies, while opening that position up to retaliatory strikes from airborne assets (which the both sides still have plenty of,) and there's no such thing as harsh terrain or meaningful obstacles to a mobile suit, so they can reposition themselves quickly enough that rampant use of artillery can do more harm to than good.

        The only time an air/artillery attack or campaign becomes remotely viable is if you have total air superiority (which they had in 08th MS Team's final act) or the mobile suits you have are air capable somehow (via transformation, docking, or sub-flight.)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >an artillery position would be revealed seconds after firing

          Depends. Minovsky particles will equally disrupt radar (tbh being able to hide from radar is reason enough to blast MPs around your artillery battery even if you have to communicate by wire) so that leaves the old fashioned way of finding them on the ground: sound and blast analysis.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and there's no such thing as harsh terrain or meaningful obstacles to a mobile suit
          You're talking horseshit, that's the whole reason mobile suits adapted for certain terrestrial environments exist.

          Mobile suits are much less effective under gravity and can't just magically appear anywhere they want, they still rely on finite resources like propellant and walking their ass to a target takes time.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They still rely on finite resources like propellant
            nta
            This is all over the place, in every series I've tried watching.
            Within any given series, there is no consistency for any given weapon spec. Whether projectile or energy, gimmick or conventional weapon, doesn't matter.
            The vehicles seem to have infinite power due to the "micro-fusion reactor" or its "GN Drive" or whatever it happens to be.

            Picrel puts me off from giving a damn about any justification or attempt by Gundam fans, to present their franchise as a dignified or gritty story. This pic is from 08th MS Team, the supposed most grounded series.
            The Zaku I & II's main armament is a Degtyarev DP-28, given a 1970's sci-fi makeover. The Gundam wikis say that this is a "120mm" autocannon.
            When I hold a full trio of M256 sabot petals up to my head, it just about covers my face.
            But then look at this shit. You can't even excuse it as being exaggerated for dramatic effect. Because if the muzzle looks too tiny to look threatening to you, you can always tweak the scene by just putting the gun closer to the hero's head.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              maybe they meant cm? I can kinda see that being about 120cm

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's millimeter.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe it uses giant sabots idk. Japs are moronic when it come to measuring shit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're not sabot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/Yx04IXG.jpg

                They're not sabot.

                Here's a modern 120mm sabot round .

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kind of funny how the illustrator doesnt understand what a fin stabilized round is
                all he saw was the sabot and tip sticking out the front and thought it was the whole projectile without any part of it sticking inside the case
                he also doesnt realize that he's mixing smooth bore projectiles with rifle projectiles

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Looks like a weird combination of the British Quick Attachment system with a M735 in 120 mm in a WW1 case.
                >he's mixing smooth bore projectiles with rifle projectiles
                APFSDS works with rifled guns too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not well though, and the trade offs to make it work will be worse than just using other kinds of AP ammo
                for me, its the apc

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For your first point Gundam Wing of all series has one of the characters mention that he'll need to secure a source of vernier fuel now that he's behind enemy lines. And somewhat related, the OG has an episode dedicated to the crew stopping in a ruined space colony to salvage salt because they hadn't finished stocking up when they had to leave the colony the show started at due to the attack.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's more an issue that the officially listed calibers of MS weapons has always been at odds with how gigantic the suits were at 18 meters tall. And even that's not as bad as the whole issue with the average mobile suit supposedly weighing only about 60ish metric tons like a modern MBT.

              These problems are kinda baked into the setting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think this is a more fair size comparison. The Gundams still weigh less than they should by about twice their stated weight, but handwave that with advanced space alloys and maybe a lot of hollow space.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The issue there is that while the top down profile of an Abrams is more comparable size wise to a Mobile Suit, most of this is the lightest armored part of the tank which would be easily penetrated if it got hit head on by auto-cannon fire or light anti-tank rockets. An Abrams would be *much* heavier if you needed to bolt a bunch of heavy armor arrays all over the top of the vehicle.

                A Mobile Suit has it even worse since their regular frontal profile is even larger than the top of a tank. And this is a threat environment where 100-120mm machine guns are a thing, and the more conventional tanks are rocking 150-175mm cannons. Maybe if you've got magic Lunar Bullshitium Alloy you can hand-wave it, but early Zaku's were supposed to have much more conventional Steel Armor Alloy compared to the Federation Mobile Suits. I feel like if you're being a tad more realistic, Mook mobile suits probably need to decide if they'd like the pilot/reactor in the torso to have some survivability against dedicated AT weapons, or to not get mobilitiy/mission killed when a Feddie BMP/SPAAG fires at their limbs with automatic cannons.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the issue is that i think they have multiple artists, so you might have the concept artist coming up with the detailed ideas and then your "fist sized 120mm autocannon so massive and unwieldy that only a giant robot can handle" with all its in depth drawings of the gun and its ammo just becomes an "autocannon pistol thats as massive as the giant robot's fist"
              so just like that a field gun sized pistol became gustav size

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You gloss over the classic “you can buy a hell of a Lot more spam weapons for the price of a giant mobile suit”

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Artillery seems like it gets completly ignored in Gundam.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think the guntank ever got used at real ass artillery ranges, because MP interference meant it had to rely on LOS to find targets. The most it had was Amuro and Kai acting as spotters because again, MP interference renders long range wireless comms useless.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they were used as arty in 08th MS Team but I think that's the only time we see them in that role, any other time a Guntank has just been long range direct fire

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Gun tanks are probably the most moronic looking mech they ever developed

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literal land battleships are a huge part of the oyw.
        But we don't get to see them much because Tomino's autism was reigned in.
        Mobile suits are a fricking meme.
        The gundam just fricked around for the majority of the war while drawing tons of heat because zeon has brain problems

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Artillery is shown quite a few times over various ground fighting scenes throughout the series. Central plot point in one of the IGLOO episodes, too IIRC.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > They failed at stopping one guy with bad b.o.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong weebshow. This still is from eva.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whats the difference?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just use towed howitzers or SPGs like a normal person?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Artillery basically doesn't exist in popular media.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        😀

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He said POPULAR media...

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Full Metal Alchemist
            >Not extremely popular
            ???

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FMA is probably in the top 10 of most well known anime series you mongoloid

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why do they hate us?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there is no 'they' to hate me when I move in.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Except for the Imperial Guard and their ubiquitous use of the Earthshaker Cannon

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Earthshaker Cannon
          >132 mm
          >max range 15km
          >Is somehow the standard heavy artillery used by the IG
          Why and how?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            40k is basically Dieselpunk.
            1930s-1950s tech with rayguns, demons and magic thrown in.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >1950s tech
              The M1 was better than this shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They probably cared less about range and caliber and more about reliability in an extreme array of environments because the Imperial Guard has severe issues requisitioning replacements even for infantry firearms.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Replacement equipment for infantry units is not an expected problem. Replacement equipment means the equipment died while the soldier lived. Somehow. This is such an outlier you don't account for it.

                Replacement equipment for ARTILLERY though is standard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                40k is basically Dieselpunk.
                1930s-1950s tech with rayguns, demons and magic thrown in.

                >Earthshaker Cannon
                >132 mm
                >max range 15km
                >Is somehow the standard heavy artillery used by the IG
                Why and how?

                You should ignore any 'stat numbers' in a sci-fi franchise like this, because sci-fi writers (or generally any writers of fiction) have absolutly no understanding on either how weapons work or even basic knowledge of measurements and scaling.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but the M1 doesn't exist in 40K.
                And neither does the concept of maneuver warfare.
                It's always a frontal engagement ultimately decided by sword (axe, claw) duels.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not true, they do have entire Imperial Guard regiments that specialize in various operations including drop troops and mechanised infantry

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And then they fight Orks/Tyranids/Chaos and are getting their asses kicked, until a named helmetless Space Marine comes along and effortlessly cuts all enemies of the God Emperor to pieces with his mighty chainsword.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Forget the power of science and technology it's the grimdark future where knowledge is rote.
            Plasma cannons are just recoilless rifles without the backblast.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because it's cool.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Being wimpy and useless is cool?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                S9 AP3 Ordnance pie plates were nothing to laugh at back in the day, and the Bassie had a fairly consistent max tabletop range around 240". For reference, max table size for standard battles was 72" on the long axis (about the same as the max range of the Guard MBT's main gun), and there were no explicit rules saying you couldn't target another table for the attack - this meant your Bassies could kick shit about on your friend's table if they had nothing to shoot at on yours.

                Also, the other anon is right. Numbers in IA don't mean much, what matters is that it has a big, cool-looking gun that shoots torso-sized shells and looks cool doing it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, a fellow pre-4th ed man of culture, I see.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The AdMech lost the STC for an elevation wheel that goes above 15 degrees.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Damn witch doctors.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a Flak 88 at 150% scale don't think about it too hard

            Back in the 80s 15km was a long way because 105s were still the doctrinal workhorse

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not though. The Basilisk is.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Science fiction writers cannot do math.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ignorance of civilians.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Długa ta lufa

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A jaka twarda.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cute hag

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They had them. The JDSF were throwing everything they had at it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess arty doesn't pen angle

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I saw that post too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just like in my animes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/cqj5aLN.jpg

        I saw that post too

        I wish tanks fought like ships of the line

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They kinda do, and people kinda do, too. Enfilade & Defilade applies to almost anything. Even just people with pointy sticks.
          They only /seem/ different because tanks or infantry don't have a 500m turning radius, and they can change direction almost instantly. They don't have to move thousands of tons ahead of eensy-weensy propulsion parts.

          But if tanks were all like TOG-II, or Char-2C, or K-Wagen... then you'd get your perfect wish.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >one tank breaks down or gets hit
    >entire column is fricked

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yea, until 1 tank gets fricked or the column gets hit by an explosion that takes out multiple tanks at once. Whoever made this anime is moronic and don't know how military shit works aside from "OOHHHH SUGOI SUGOI!! bullshit like some marvel movie. Actually, marvel/cape shit are still more accurate than anime bullshit. Japanese are just moronic in regards to anything firearm/military related.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were lined up to shoot at a giant monster that came out of the ocean trying to stop it from reaching the city, it wasn't a conventional conflict.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't lined up that closely unless you're asking to be destroyed in large numbers. If you want to be practical, you give each tank some space that way they don't get caught up in some explosion. In terms of military formation/tactics, its already a failure the moment they cuddle up like that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Warfare is mathematics, sometimes skirmish order is optimal, however sometimes you need to jam as much firepower into a small area as possible and you end up with something like this. These monsters I assume need a lot of firepower to destroy, which is similar to the level of firepower to achieve defeat in detail.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, that is if you don't need to worry about attacks that don't corry a large area. You can still have fire power without cluttering your assets into one area and making vulnerable to high yield attacks.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For missiles, sure, but for guns whose armor penetration decreases with range it might not be the case.

              But of course it is a japanese cartoon and fiction and the main reason is it looks cool so there is no point going into the mathematics.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's a monster that tanks a lot of firepower, including the equivalent of a tac nuke

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So why was Rei there?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because she, like Tabris, is basically a God in the flesh. She has a ridiculously high powered AT field, and is able to project herself over vast distances. We get to see the true nature of it during the EoE, which I feel you haven't seen yet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yep. One of the funniest parts of NGE's backstory is that for all her awakening humanity Rei still kept her mouth shut about the big plan _even to Shinji_. That's not giving a frick on a literally Apocalyptic scale.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > like some marvel movie
      Most mecha animes are made by Sunrise or a copycat company. That's why they're so moronic with very few exceptions.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its likely just a "because it looks cool" bullshit that way the viewers(who don't know anything about military aside from looks" will be appalled by it. Majority of animes/mangas don't care about the practicality of military tactics/equipment.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >because it looks cool
          This. Same reason you have planes in the new (and old) Top Gun dogfighting a few meters from each other.
          IRL fights are usually BVR these days. And even in dogfight, the planes are usually hundreds of meters to a few km apart.
          It's more exciting to have planes unrealistically close, rather than to have two guys shooting at a dot on their radar.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That shot has been reproduced so many times in anime because they all saw the same JSDF promo video with the tanks lined up on a narrow mountain highway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, the newest movie has flying Yamato battleships that shoot lasers.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would mobile suits defend themselves from loitering munitions if even this can disable them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      08th team is really stupid.
      Right after that protagonist boy Shiro there dodges Zaku machinegun fire, on foot, and shoots anti-personell mines launched by the Zaku out of the with his pistol.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, I have bad news for you. It turns out, and we've checked the science on this one, that anime isn't actually real.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nta
          Being presumptuous and guessing what he and I, and all the other gripers are on about:
          The root of it is, Gundam has this whole big pretense and hype about ohh, this is SERIOUS, guys. Gundam hits the Feels, Gundam doesn't pull punches, Gundam gave Super Robot a reality check. Silly Gundam? Oh, that's only G-Gundam and SD Gundam. Dude we have WIKIS of technical spec readouts! DUDE that CHILD SOLDIER JUST KILLED A PoW!
          Oh, please.
          But mecha anime like Gunbuster, or Macross, Giant Robo, Big O, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Eureka Seven, or _, is great fun, and often times it inspires feels or dreams, without that pomp and pretense.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's no pretense for the vast majority of Gundam. Most of it is just the usual stupid, magical super robot shit, like every other show. Particularly since the end of the 90s, Gundam has been unwatchable.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thunderbolt's pretty good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Someone shots a big robot under it's skirt
      >Turns out the pilot was female
      Never change Japan

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how would these three do in the OYW?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you have problem with Gundam don't ever try to watch or read Muv-Luv. It makes Gundam looks like hard sci-fi.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gundam looks like hard sci-fi.
      Both are in the same line of forced segmentation and plot.
      All the laser class is BS. "muh can melt mirrors"

      It's like an autism virus, they use a lot of data and numbers but it's all dense bs.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"muh can melt mirrors"
        Erm, yeah? 100% reflective mirrors don't exist.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That convoy would be quickly located and destroyed

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >JGSDF tank when they see pic rel: my ancestors

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Abrams look best in Australian livery.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only watched eva because of one video where the Godzilla OST played over it and eva is shit

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How important is reverse speed for modern tanks?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most T-72/90s are vaporized while trying to retreat. Usually they show its sides and get penned even by Bradleys.

      The T-10 should change its suspension while reversing, that tilt makes it far more vulnerable.

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