I keep hearing that knives are unwise for self defense. Regardless of laws, would the average person be better of with things like pic related?
I keep hearing that knives are unwise for self defense.
I keep hearing that knives are unwise for self defense. Regardless of laws, would the average person be better of with things like pic related?
Why does it look so sexual
>Good thinking there retard. because now every gay withn 8 mile radius is flocking to get a taste of your cherry.
Imagine you are a mugger. Give me your wallet! But instead Full eye contact unbuckles pants and drops them. Boxers drop turns around and you see a black leather handle protruding from his ass cheeks. Is that a wallet? WTF? Pulls out a shit covered leather still from his ass and raises it over his head. You'd just leave. No violence necessary at that point. The downside is you have to live with that thing rammed up your ass 24/7
You can stick it up your butt to scare a straight attacker away
Good thinking there retard. because now every gay withn 8 mile radius is flocking to get a taste of your cherry.
Actually kuckle dusters, and blackjacks will make you look worse than having knife.
"look worse"
What do you mean by that? Legally?
I read that prostitutes carried blackjacks. If you can clobber someone and run off, it's better than stabbing someone(and according to people here, getting cut yourself) right?
yeah she means if youre searched by cops i guess, neither are as common which makes them look more like purposeful than a knife, which lots of normies carry
knuckle dusters arent a self defence weapon for similar reasons to knives i think - theres no defense with them other than brandishing, so your best bet is probably a long heavy weapon that isnt necessarily a weapon that will allow you to fend something off and run away, what that is can depend on the region but in the west if you had a club like that, preferably longer, and just told the cops it was a sex toy theyd let you go
>knuckle dusters
No
>a club
maybe if it has the reach.
essencially theyre all the same in the eyes of the law, and outside of it you would just want a gun like a normal person
in hand to hand the hand is the best, even a tazer is better than those things
That shit looks like an accident waiting to happen.
I carry a small metal switch(a braided metal cable dipped in rubber) for dogs and crackheads it works really well.
aways suspected you were a gay
into the filter you go
I carry a gun for dogs. OC for crackheads.
> OC for crackheads.
You have never delt with crackheads have you
Laws on knuckles, clubs, batons, etc. vary greatly by state.
Here's my take based on where I live, where all of these are legal, and all of which I own.
>Knife
Everyone here carries a knife, it would not look suHispanicious to the average person. (Depending on type)
>Knuckles
Very eye catching to the layman. They will likely assume it's illegal, and you will be perceived as a thug.
>Batons
Less socially acceptable than the knife, but more so than the knuckles. A baton that's small enough to carry on-person is of limited utility as it would likely be fragile.
>Saps, Blackjacks, Soft Clubs
Most people aren't familiar with these. Since they're often made of leather, small ones can be concealed or disguised as a wallet or other accessory. Some are more concealable than a collapsible baton and far more rugged.
If you're concerned about how you're perceived by the law, have a reasonable explanation for the item you use. This could be having a tire iron in your car, a coin sap in your pocket, or something like that. This way if you defend yourself, you could argue that "I hit the attacker with my coin purse" rather than "I punched the attacker with brass knuckles."
>a coin sap in your pocket
this anon knows what's up. a coin sap with a roll or two of quarters adds about a pound of weight to a strike plus the leverage of whatever design you're using. they're hands down the best weapons for non permissive environments or cuck cities
picrel is the meangene hot tamale v2, looks like a wallet when folded but hits like a truck
gun > knife > pepper spray > fists > blunt weapons
It's actually
Gun>good spray like fox or Sabre coupled with a knife>spray alone>big heavy stick>knife>fists (in shape male)>memes like flea market stunguns>fists (female or pussy male)> brass knuckles
Any blunt weapon that's not capable of completely shattering any bone on impact is worthless. You'll just end up like that one antifa guy.
Fox is hot garbage, do not use.
All OC spray slowly leaks its propellant, hence the experstion date, fox is the only one that uses a crazy carcinogen as a propellant, so having that on you is dumb as fuck.
1. Gun
2. Knife
3. OC Spray
4. High-lumen handheld light
5. Brass knuckles
6. Club/collapsible baton
7. Grappling (Wrestling/BJJ/Judo)
8. Striking (Boxing/Kickboxing/Muay Thai)
Rankings (for self defense in totality, including practicality, legality, and other follow-on effects and considering a full spectrum of possible threats):
S Tier: 1, 4, 8
A Tier: 3, 7
B Tier: 2
C Tier: 5
------------------------------- POWERGAP -------------------------------
F- Tier: Club/collapsible baton/bat/etc
Why the hate for batons?
Just make a pneumatic gauntlet.
No. They're retarded and will get you arrested. Get a good sturdy hickory walking stick and a flashlight.
Neither of those are for self defense and in a lot of places are extremely illegal.
Carry a cane or get a collapsible baton if you like
Reminder that brass knuckles are the WORST sd option as they:
-are, at most, going to make you 10% more dangerous. If you can't fight without them, they won't change much.
-are the weakest thing you can bring out that will justify someone drawing a gun or knife on you.
-make you look like a edgelord 15 year old
-often times will mess up your hand if cheaply made or used for hard, straight punches
Pretty much anything is better. Get a hickory sledgehammer handle and chop it down to 14", get a could steel xl tilite, get some fox labs 5.3 spray... Anything but the duster meme bro.
clubs/batons are not great, because bad guys aren't very scared of them and they are easily grabbed/disabled/ripped out of your hands. people are willing to absorb a club blow to their arm but very few are willing to be stabbed and risk death. defense encounters are often stacked against you, dangerous, chaotic etc. so a knife by reputation being more likely to avoid a fight entirely is a big deal.
the club's potential 1 hit KO to the head is very powerful but it's kind of like picking a weapon hoping everything to go perfectly. conversely the knife excels in situations where shit is really sideways physically and is quite hard to take from you or disable without training.
knives also weigh just a few ounces and can be concealed very easily. which means your attacker will not know how armed you are and you can more easily use the knife as a weapon of surprise aka "counter-ambushing". surprise eliminates some of the weaknesses inherent to a knife and allows you to score a potentially fatal strike with minimal resistance.
Clubs and other blunt objects are for large/strong men to crowd control(best at chokepoints but worst inside them) or to disable downed targets. (the smaller and lighter the blunt object the more it becomes a compliance tool and less of a killing weapon)
I have a couple clubs and they are great GTFO compliance tools/Threat display object. but you def need a strong grip and training to not telegraph and lose your balance in a fight with club and YOU WILL look silly training, trust me.
But I own the knife in your picture and its my primary knife i carry when i go out drinking or for a run. I have the trainer version too which i recommend for any knife you plan to actually use it. its hard to see and very fucking good at stabbing. BUT its not the best threat display object/compliance tool when your driving, for that I use my fuck huge cheap ass dagger that i wave out my window.
No, pretty much all the downsides of knives with literally 0 upside.
The problem with knives is using them is lethal force, meaning you can only use it against a deadly threat, and if there is a deadly threat, you want a gun.
Short bludgeoning devises like those are usually going to be considered deadly weapons also, so only allowed in the same scenario as a gun or a knife, but even worse at stopping a threat than a knife.
>Short bludgeoning devises like those are usually going to be considered deadly weapons also, so only allowed in the same scenario as a gun or a knife, but even worse at stopping a threat than a knife.
post law degree or explain why people often don't notice they've been stabbed but definitely know when they've been hit in the face by 14oz of lead? you are completely full of shit
I enjoy your schizo freakout to being told your wrong.
>retard who couldn't hit someone thinks they're going to now because they have magic knuckle dusters
OC is more effective, and like the guy said, those will be considered dangerous/deadly weapons and if used against someone not a deadly threat, you will be going to jail for aggravated assault/attempted murder etc.
And if the person was a deadly threat, you would still be off better with OC, because you have some standoff, and then also you could use a gun.
Knuckle dusters, SAPs, blackjack, etc is just LARP shit for people who can't fight and for whatever reason cant/don't have a gun.
>OC is more effective, and like the guy said, those will be considered dangerous/deadly weapons and if used against someone not a deadly threat, you will be going to jail for aggravated assault/attempted murder etc
like i said, post law degree
yes, OC is better if you have some standoff distance. that's not always the case. bludgeons have developed independently across the globe and over millennia because there will always be a role for a tool that can let you hit harder without breaking all the bones in your hand
>"if you have standoff"
>Knuckle dusters, SAPs, blackjack, etc is just LARP shit for people who can't fight and for whatever reason cant/don't have a gun.
you're right anon, i'm sure that's why law enforcement have only ever carried guns and swords
>cops use it, so it must be effective
Cops also used collapsible batons for a while, and those absolutely fucking suck.
see
or gtfo
Okay, I’ll just carry a sewing needle for self defense. Oh, you think that’s a bad idea? Well how about you stand completely still, don’t defend yourself and let me stab you in the eye three times without flinching? That’s such a retarded argument that could be applied to anything. Stand still and let me throw a couple of glass ash trays at your head. See if that doesn’t make you flinch, queer.
I’m carrying ash trays for self defense now. I wouldn’t want to get hit with one so that confirms they’re fantastic weapons.
I’ve seen tons of videos where the guy didn’t realize he was stabbed, but fell over dead in 5 seconds. I’ve never seen a video of someone getting knocked out by a lead-filled leather buttplug. Self defense is not the place for your bdsm fetish.
Blunt object do very poorly.
Hence videos of 5 cops with steel batons beating a guy who isn't even phased by ut.
post video of yourself taking 3 hits with a baton on the arm or thigh without flinching. i double dare you pussy
>moving the goal post from "a black jack will knock you out bro" to "get hit with a steel baton without flinching"
I don’t want a fucking slingshot lobbing ball bearings into my skull, but that doesn’t make it an adequate self defense weapon. You’re worse than those boomers that say “oh, you think .22 ratshot out of a NAA derringer isn’t a good EDC? Let me shoot you in the eye from 2 inches away and see how you like it!”
you're soooo right anon, of course, the fact that several different martial arts developed around blunt weapons across the planet over eons is just a weird accident and you're clearly more knowledgeable.
> several different martial arts developed around blunt weapons across the planet
That’s because they literally fucking grow on trees and aren’t illegal anywhere I know of. I never said sticks don’t fucking hurt or aren’t adequate for self defense, I said blackjacks are fucking stupid.
>bullshido made up martial arts were developed around a stick because their yoyolitatian governments wouldn't let them have real weapons
Great argument
>lead-filled leather buttplug
the reason cops stopped using them is they were bringing in too many vegetables and this is back in the day when everybody wasn't suing the cops for a broken fingernails.
Saps are very, very effective. Not great for self defense at all, but if you need a motherfucker to go down and stay there without getting your shirt all dirty, they are superb
>picrel
>retired from service
The reason cops stopped using them is because they're dangerous if you hit someone in the head with them (No shit, so is literally anything) but absolutely fucking terrible at pain compliance when you hit them in the arms and legs. There is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest that they are more lethal or dangerous than billy clubs. But billy clubs have the advantage of actually breaking bone when you strike arms and legs with them, unlike saps.
Well in a self defense situation, isn't attacking the head the point? Cops are not taught to do this for fear of lawsuits or deaths, but you're not a cop anyways. However good Billy clubs may be you can't really carry them everyday compared to an asp
>isn't attacking the head the point
moron this whole thread has people talking about it's illegal tonl use lethal force against a threat that isn't lethal.
saps are very successful at hitting joints too but cops just liked to bring people in without fighting at all.
>meaning you can only use it against a deadly threat
Anon... Do you think someone trying to fight you isn't a deadly threat?
It is not, and it has been proven not to be thousands of times in case law.
Be as edgy online as you want, using deadly force against someone trying to punch you will get you 10-15 minimum.
>using deadly force against someone trying to punch you will get you 10-15 minimum
Holy shit where do you think you are? You don't have the slightest grasp on what constitutes self defense in at least 80% of states.
everywhere I go I must also ra-ACK
>posting a video that
1. Doesn't show the legal outcome
2. Was in Brazil by an off duty cop.
Fucking have a nice day.
How about you show me these thousands of cases where it's not self defense to shoot someone trying to fight you. Because the way I understand it, and the way every carry class I went to explained it, if someone is trying to harm you then you have the right to ventilate them.
Not trolling but are you required to stand next to your attacker until the police arrives? Can't you just run away?
That is an option if you didn't use force.
If you used force, and you reasonably belive they are still a threat and you leave, you are required to contact the police.
If someone tries fighting you or whatever and you just run away then you don't have to notify them if you don't want.
Knives have always been around and many martial artists train in that area. Knives were responsible for any war in Europe before the 15th century and China before the 9th century. This is basically what weapons looked like in Europe before they discovered gunpowder. More recently, in WWII the Ustashi rose into the limelight and they were exceptionally brutal iin that most of their murders, massacres and executions used hands-on weapons (like in 1942 when Petar Brzica slaughtered 1,360 people at a concentration camp using only a knife over the span of several hours). Do not underestimate them.
When gouging the effectiveness of street weapons that aren't full size clubs, fixed knives or guns you should always ask yourself; "is this more effective than picking up a brick from the sidewalk".
>someone tries to punch you in the street
>you manage to dodge it
>he is still coming at you
>guess i have to roll with this guy and risk serous injury or some TBI and hope my gun doesn't come out of it's holster as i'm fighting for my life on the ground
surely this is a troll
You do whatever you want, if you shoot a guy who's trying to punch you, you will go to prison for decades.
Choice is yours, bruised ego or 10-15(if he lives) 20 to life(if he dies)
lol yup. once i started following up defensive acts involving a gun when no deadly weapon was evident on the attacker?
and if you're a White guy and your aggressor is black/brown and not in your age cohort?
Major jail time lol.
>bruised ego
Are you 12? Honest fucking question here. When two adults fight in the street it isn't a bruised ego it's broken bones and head injuries with a large possibility of death. You can easily die from just falling over. You know that right?
>getting into street fights
>not thinking one or both are protecting a fragile ego
>calls others 12
Maximus KEKimus
Great way to misdirect the conversation. Anon is saying you HAVE to fight the person trying to assault you. That you can't shoot them in self defense. So your option is what
is asking. A fight and two adults fighting is bad news.
Also what if I’m an old lady , a person in a wheel chair or a midget what do I do now
Also what would happen If I used a sword
depends on how hard you swashbuckle him first
>depends on how hard you swashbuckle him first
>ACK!!!!
> gets decapitated
> nothing personal kid but next time remember to study the blade more
> walks in to the sunset never to be seen again
small U bike lock with some cable
once brained a bike thief with one when I caught him trying to klep my bike. Dude was bleeding out of his ear hole and his jaw was all fucked
t. Antifa professor
so let me get this straight
if someone is trying to fight me and i can't get away my only option is to fist fight them? i can't shoot a guy looking to cave my face in with his fist? talking about in America.
Depends on you and your attacker in the eyes of the Jury/Judge
also
>running from an unarmed attacker in a 1v1 situation
>he would rather risk his life in a 1 vs 1 fight than to just run away and be safe
Yep into the filter that goes.
lack of Irish blood detected
what's it like being punked out by a single unarmed man with hostile intent?
nta, but I’ve seen way too many wrecked videos on /gif/ of someone getting knocked out and then their skull stomped on until they’re fucking dead. If a guy is a big enough moron to risk felony charges just to act like a tough guy, he’s probably willing to kill you.
That's the sticky point, them stomping on your head would be a deadly threat at that point, but just getting punched isn't.
I'm not saying it should be this way, but it is, and the amount of times someone is actually killed in a fistfight is quite small, no need for PrepHoleomrades to go to jail over nothing, especially since a good 90% of fights can be avoided if you check your ego and just leave, but the 12 year Olds ITT don't think that's cool.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I was saying you should run away rather than fight. It’s never worth it.
Fuck off reddit moron chud
I've seen documentary footage yes yes but I've also been a big dumb drunken guy all over the world and I know most people are selling wolf tickets.
I made it 35yr old boomer status without very wary of fighting some fucker who steps on my shoes or spits on me.
Yes. The judge will ask you why you didn’t just carry your self defense ash trays or lead-filled dildo and sentence you to 50 years. Unless you’re Zimmerman.
This is why I think I'm just being trolled at this point. One of the most prolific self defense cases of recent history was cleared as justified even though there was a million things the Zim Zam did wrong.
Trevon starred slamming Zimmerman's head into concrete, turning it into deadly force.
No, you can run, you can OC them, taser, stun gun, etc.
But you cannot use lethal force if they are not a deadly threat, meaning another reasonable person would also belive you were risk of death under the circumstances.
Disparity of force can be, for example an 80 year old woman could shoot a 20 year old male trying to beat her.
Multiple attackers is also usually fair game for lethal force if you can't escape.
But assuming you are of similar ish size, age etc, yhem just trying to hit you is not justification for deadly force.
he actually said to use a taser instead of a gun when a taser has been deemed a deadly weapon in multiple police shootings
For now, under use of force it is considered non, or less lethal.
The few times it's been deemed unjustified were like against 14 year Olds already cuffed that they tasted multiple times.
For a LEO. For a regular citizen it’s probably closer to lethal force
>them stomping on your head would be a deadly threat at that point
This has to be an ai bot response. Because any normal human would understand that by the time you're getting stomped on your head it's far too late to draw and shoot.
The courts don't care.
If someone swings at you and you shoot them, you using hypothetical situations that never came to pass isn't getting you out of the aggravated assault/murder charge.
Did the person have the immediate means, opportunity, and intent to cause you death, that is the litmus test.
Someone about to punch you is missing at least one of not 2 of those.
If you can't get that through your thick skull, the world will be better off when you're inevitably in prison, yelling like a neuro about how it was self defense when you mag dumped a guy for "distospektin' yo gurl"
tell that to Jose Alba or Johnny Nguyen. the context and evidence present is very important. obviously you cannot get into a bar fight or road rage incident and just shoot a guy. but in situations where banditry is clearly afoot, the law is more likely to have your back.
The Arab was technically ok. In that state, since it was a robbery, the Asian in NV, every legal expert agrees he should've been fucked, just got extremely lucky.
Name one court case gay were a guy got convicted because he shot some one who tried to punch him I’ll also make this hard by excluding cases were he shot him later or after a fight , because the area banned carry , or was a felon with a gun plus it HAS TO BE A CONVICTION
moron the trash bandit father is going to be in prison for his life, and the other guy had a baseball bat.
Lurk more newfag
there's a big difference between a self-defense scenario involving a mugger, robber, invader etc. vs. this shit, which is retard neighbor drama akin to road raging and bar fighting. if it's clear you were part of creating the problem you are going to get fucked in the a
>if someone tries fighting me I will shoot them and not face legal repercussions because I said so
>b-but what if robbery not some dumb fight
The ever moving goal post.
The core issue is that when some one punches you is you don’t know if the guy is trying to brawl with you or trying to beat you to death and you only had one second to react also how do you determine that will not escalate and it’s a fight to the death or he pulls out a gun himself,picks up an improvised weapon along with the fact the guy could be high on something
He was convicted because he was basically telling the guy to hit him. If he hadn't done that, he would likely have gotten off. Also, his son was acquitted.
>you using hypothetical situations
That's the entire basis for
>Reasonable threat of death or serious bodily injury
you fucking retard.
Part of why a taser is less than lethal comes down to manufacturer provided training. If you haven’t received specific training you probably can’t avail yourself of saying you know it would be a non lethal option because the device says “could cause death or serious injury”
I'm of the mindset that a device that can deliver 50,000 volts of electricity for 15-20 seconds is pretty deadly but that's just me.
>tasting handcuffed 14 year olds multiple times
Damn.
Also Doesn’t it nullify the argument if you say that you’ll still go to jail even if you try defend yourself just using your fists against your attacker though?
The guy is saying you can't shoot someone for supermanning you in the face. Just disregard what he is saying in it's whole.
> The guy is saying you can't shoot someone for supermanning you in the face. Just disregard what he is saying in it's whole.
But then he goes on about how you should fight the guy instead
ALL WEAPONS ARE COVERED UNDER THE 2A
I've been bouncing at bars for over 8 years now, I've never once seen a fight between 2 patrons that wouldn't have been if one or both of them didn't have inflated/fragile egos.
I don't bounce anymore but same.
The main reason the bouncer wins all the fights is that its his job, whereas being a jackass is putting on a show.
You showed up ready to fight? I showed up ready to spend 6 hours doing as little as possible and keep my boss's name out of teh papers, so meet Mr. Door Jamb on your way out and have a nice night.
Not even that, in those 8 years I haven't had to hit anyone, hands on sire bit not hit.
I'm talking about other fights I've seen patrons get into, always an ego battle that didn't matter, no one was defending themselves, althiugh both would claim they were, just jackasses.
I've never seen a knife attack video that ended at all in favor for the guy without the knife. This boomer meme that it WILL be turned against you is so retarded. If someone attacks you with a knife and you don't shoot them in time you're going to die. If you both have knives you're probably both going to die. If he has a knife and you have nothing, only you're going to die. Don't have delusions, if you haven't lost a fight before you need to fight more.
the meme isn't that it will be turned against you by the opponent, almost any knife in a fight is completely uncontrollable because it's a knife. if you had one of them ww1 trench knives or something you'd probably be okay.
>If you both have knives you're probably both going to die.
All the videos of knife fights I've seen one guy gets jabbed because he's less aggressive or just shorter and then he falls over and start bleeding everywhere while the other guy walks away unscathed.
Well, the saying is something like the loser dies on the scene, the winner dies on the way to the hospital. If you know what you're doing, and you're up against a lesser opponent, you may well walk away unscathed. I had a messican pull a big old fixed blade on me once, and I had enough distance to either fight or flee. I pulled out my folder, and wrapped my sweatshirt around my left forearm, and got into the a good stance. Señor beaner didn't like that, so he stepped back...and kept backing up. I fucking hoofed it, because I'm sure he was going for some backup (south phoenix, mostly Hispanics). So there's an example of walking away unscathed, but with one of the biggest adrenalin dumps I have ever experienced.
That’s what you get for fucking around in Guadalupe gringo.
>loser dies on the scene, winners dies on the way to the hospital
what he's saying is that if you try to sift through the compendium of knife fights available on the internet, you will actually see very very few where both men die. much like every other type of street fight (gun, fist) typically only one person dies or is seriously injured. it's just a meme saying that people love to regurgitate.
however i will say that meme ultimately guides behavior appropriately, because at the end of the day it's very retarded to get into a knife fight or try to stop a guy with a knife. not because you will both die, but because the chance of you dying is such an absolute dice roll even if you are a fairly strong/skilled person.
Oi, none of them blokes ‘as go’a loicense for them knoives.
i reckon this was before they made zombie knives illegal
Total bullshit with an even more retarded made up story to go along with it. In reality the guy would've just stabbed you in the chest and then you'd fall to the floor and sit there until you died.
>nah bro if I get stabbed I'll just go fucking berserker mode and keep stabbing the guy until we both die
Yeah totally dude shut your retarded maw up.
>Don't come any closer, or I'll make you smell my butt plug!