I haven't heard of them in two years, which is strange cause they're loud as fuck. What happened to the Pions?

I haven't heard of them in two years, which is strange cause they're loud as frick. What happened to the Pions?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It turns out that have a low ROF artillery piece near the front is a good way to get ACK'd

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a slow-firing and dubiously accurate system in a war where mobile arty is supposed to quickly fire a few accurate shots and skidaddle

      isn't this a trench war of attrition? plus they hit targets at like 40kms or more, there's got to be a place where they could fire safely

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        artillery radars and drones

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats the range of most nato spaags and they have a higher rate of fire and shoot more accurate

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Thats the range of most nato spaags and they have a higher rate of fire and shoot more accurate

          No they dont. Accuracy at this range is total shit, particulary with rocket assist, unless you use $100 000 per shot excalibur shells. Larger guns are more accurate at range but it is far cheaper to make a guided rocket than a guided shell so long range fire is from various MLRS systems.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Accuracy at this range is total shit,
            only for worn out soviet guns

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >plus they hit targets at like 40kms or more, there's got to be a place where they could fire safely
        firing 40km in the rear means you only get to hit the frontline. arty has to move closer to the front if it wants to start hitting 40km behind the ukie line where all the juicier targets are

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as said its not suited to the current war and because its a big-boi its a high priority target so they get/have gotten whittled away.

      [...]
      isn't this a trench war of attrition? plus they hit targets at like 40kms or more, there's got to be a place where they could fire safely

      Firing max-charge wears out the barrel real fast. Sure, for a short campaign its no biggie but by year 3 of the war you start having serious problems.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Firing max-charge wears out the barrel real fast. Sure, for a short campaign its no biggie but by year 3 of the war you start having serious problems.
        this tbh
        tldr is soviet tier tech and maintenance
        >https://defence-blog.com/russian-soldiers-blow-up-barrel-of-its-super-gun/
        >https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/07/25/russias-artillery-is-wearing-out-and-blowing-up/
        >https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/12/russia-needs-fresh-artillery-barrels-bad-its-yanking-them-off-old-guns-by-the-thousand/

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a slow-firing and dubiously accurate system in a war where mobile arty is supposed to quickly fire a few accurate shots and skidaddle

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It has the same issue has other massive caliber cannons, logistics. Just hauling the shell into the breech is an effort since they weigh around 100 kilos each.

    Tl;dr its a niche piece of artillery that suffers greatly if used like normal self propelled artillery , and even when used for slow "shoot and scoot" its going to need additional vehicles to accompany it to use it properly, it carries 6-8 rounds of ammo and is staffed by a dozen or so personel if i recall correctly.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both Russia and Ukraine pulled all 2S7 Pion from storage they could.

    Meanwhile towed field guns M-46 are pulled from storage in Russia. Probably to replace losses in long range artillery.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're in use. Just not as visible as most other artillery vehicles.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think those are what they finally ended up using to finish off the Pisky overpass in May 2022.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    203mm shell production lines dont exist anymore so they probably ran out of ammo

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Koksans in two weeks?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They using Bereg now. Nice new (new=eighties) system I think THE Russian navy was holding back.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because there are only a handful of them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Over three hundred is not really a handful, more important that they are in relatively good condition. Divisional caliber but with regiment range puts them in a weird place, they were special purpose anti-ship.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Over three hundred is not really a handful
            They have 36 of these my man.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love those trucks. They may be inefficient garbage, but they have style.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia keeps getting theirs taken out and Ukraine has been using US 203mm ammo in them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine has been using US 203mm ammo in them.
      Does anyone know if these guns/shells were ever designed with this type of interchangeability in mind, or was just just a coincidence that US 203mm shells work in these guns?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The propellant is separate from the projectile, so 203mm is 203mm
        The accuracy would probably have been thrown off though

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess the main problem is to replace the barrel. Mb some guns are still in use, but the brigade who use them mostly switched to the PzH 2000.

        If I remember correctly, 2S7 and M110 have the same ancestor they are designed after, so it's a nice coincidence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I guess the main problem is to replace the barrel. Mb some guns are still in use, but the brigade who use them mostly switched to the PzH 2000.
          sounds plausible

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both sides ran out of barrels for these things.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't these being replaced with the 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV, which can drop 16 rounds a minute up to 80km, with superior survivability against various threats and increased automation?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, they were delivered with the last batch of Armatas and Iskander-M missiles.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I knew they were deploying Iskander-Ms but they have Armata's now too hitting the front!? It sounds like Ukraine is in real trouble with this new tech hitting them from the front!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The increased range of the Iskander-M as well as the decreased vulnerability and lower logistics tail of the new dual launcher has been a particularly innovative triumph of the Russian MIC.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/EFFOlOo.jpg

          The increased range of the Iskander-M as well as the decreased vulnerability and lower logistics tail of the new dual launcher has been a particularly innovative triumph of the Russian MIC.

          >so organic
          where do you think you are?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tourist moron they're fricking shitposting. In case you haven't noticed that's the Norkscander there, and nobody ever talks about the Armata seriously.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Produced: 2015-present
      >Numbers built: 12+
      At this rate it's going to take them until the early 2100s to replace the 2S7 Pion.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PIONS

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NO
          FRICK YOU
          I HAVE AN ENTIRE 800x600 SCREEN OF PYLONS IN MY CORNER OF THE MAP
          I DO NOT NEED ANY MORE MOTHERFRICKING PYLONS YOU NOSELESS GODDAMN NERD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        8 year dev cycle is complete! They are now ramping up to full production! Why do you think they can't manufacture these? Is no problems!

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all the orcs died

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The peonies are pushing up daisies.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They’re still used but old, worn out, and a strain on logistics.
    Imagine having to maintain one of these giant ancient piece of shire that were only useful in the ceasefire days when these were the only large amount of artillery available that were able to circumvent the deals.
    There’s a reason why not many were remaining in both nations inventories when the war even began.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Long range = kept further from the front = rarely turns up on drone footage = nobody mentions them

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