I have this frame for my bed. I am moving to a little studio, and what I will ultimately do, after a lot of research, is to put it on rails so I can slide the bed to the ceiling, but for now, I'm happy to just hang it off the wall.
Which kind of support would I need? This is Ikea's Epevär, 140x200, 43Kg, the mattress is 30Kg. I weight 85, and my occasional partner, from 45 to 75kg I guess. So it needs to support about 300Kg.
I will have two walls to support it. As shown in pic related. I hand-drew this shit, so scale is fucked up. I will also use a Trofast as a stair, unless I can jump from my chair (Markus).
My ceiling is at 250, so I won't have much to breath, but the more I feel like a retard from doing this, the more pressure I will have to do the rail thing. But that's on the long run.
So my question here, as a noob PrepHole, which kind of support would I need, and will I need a support on the corner "in the air"? Could I anchor that from the ceiling somehow? I don't really want to use any kind of support touching the floor if possible.
You're going to rip the walls apart. There's no way to do this by hanging it from the wall studs, without heavily modifying the wall itself.
- You can’t use a trofast as daily steps, it’ll break in a week or so
- In most houses you can’t suspend anything from the ceiling unless you have either metal ceiling joists, wood joists and you can wrap something around them, or concrete building. Anyway you’d have to remove the drywall/drop ceiling or whatever is below it to reach it. Don’t try to put a lag bolt through the ceiling into a wooden joist, you’ll have no idea how long it will lasts or how much it will hold
> will I need a support on the corner "in the air"?
Yes your epevar will definitely break if you don’t support it. Either support it on 3 sides or add a support pole on the floor. You’d need a bed with a very strong steel frame to do something like in your pic
Kg so he may be in brick country
Ugh, really? I mean, one is a partition wall, but if I drill deep enough, it should be ok.
>Kg so he may be in brick country
I guess he was talking about wood? I don't really know what your walls are made of, but I know you have wood behind it, so it should be sturdy enough.
>You can’t use a trofast as daily steps, it’ll break in a week or so
Yeah, I forgot to say that I would use the real wood variant and put a layer of wood behind it to make it stronger.
>In most houses you can’t suspend anything from the ceiling unless you have either metal ceiling joists... or concrete building
Yeah, I plan to make a little hole if I needed to support that corner, which actually sounds right. Then reach the concrete ceiling and put something on there. Maybe just pic related, I just looked for ring screw, idk how this thing is called.
I guess two of these and a rope should be ok? I was thinking about an aluminium rod or something but this looks easier, just screw the frame to the wall, then adjust the rope to height and remove the temporary support.
Now the only concern I have is about the supports themselves, maybe using two on each side, L brackets? I asked on a store today and the woman, which looked like she knew less than me, gave me a "tiny" one that was maybe 8cm long x 3cm wide x 3cm tall. I didn't measure that, but it felt strong, so using a few of them looked like enough.
That kind of eye bolt is okay, if you can manage to screw it to a ceiling stud properly (the one in your pic is probably too short). You may want this rope to be tensioned or the bed may show some weird bouncyness when you move on it
> Now the only concern I have is about the supports themselves
Attach 2x4s or 4x4s to the wall, over the entire length of the bed edges and rest the bed on that.
>Attach 2x4s or 4x4s
I don't know what that really means, but from the little lurking I have done here and from random stuff I have seen on youtube, I guess you mean 2 inch by 4 inch wood support? I guess I will end doing that. I will go to the local place to buy that kind of wood and ask them. I will keep updating the thread if it's still up in a week. I still have to move to my studio, but that should be next week.
2x4 is a length of wood that is 2 inches in height and 4 inches in width. What Anon was saying is that you shouldn’t use those L brackets, but instead screw wood beams along the length of the wall where your bed will be. I don’t know how the walls in your new apartment are, but have you considered just building a raised frame? Using the same 2x4s, you could just put your bed on stilts. Maybe you could figure out how to make an extending frame, kinda like an extension ladder that can have multiple heights.
>you shouldn’t use those L brackets
Why is that?
>building a raised frame
I want to have as much clearance as posible under the bed. I want to get a sofá there and be able to sit without having to dodge the frame.
>not going to calculate anything unless you pay
I mean, I think it's pretty easy, I studied, well, I went to classes for a few months and we had a subject on materials, and part of it was just calculate stuff like that. Maybe if I find my old book I can do it myself. The info I posted was for an overall idea of what to do, as a guide I guess, but not the exact weight/strength I needed.
I guess I could go by your idea, legs/frame next to the wall shouldn't be a problem, is the one in the "open" corner that is.
I think I might need some steel rods that have big feet, but the rods can be thin I guess?
Anyway I will go tomorrow to a place to ask about the materials needed. Here is my interpretation of your idea.
I don't know the names of any of those, I just looked at a catalogue of metal stuff and copy pasted the pics. I would need something to get this on the ceiling, but I will ask that tomorrow. Maybe I don't need the thing with two screws if the chain is cut right.
So, thin structure with 3 legs, and maybe two extra horizontal rods for stability, then pic related on the corner in the air.
Put the scales underneath one of your current bed legs, aim your camera on the scale and jump on the bed. Then find the maximum weight on the footage, multiply it by 2 and there will be your minimum value you should target on each piece of equipment you buy.
Everything has to be anchored in concrete structures (not your wooden floors, cardboard ceiling or cement covering). It's possible to make it, but I doubt you manage to do that to be honest.
I will get the bed next week. I'm moving to a new flat, and it's my friend's used sex bed.
I went to the local place to buy stuff, and told two dudes what I want to do.
One told me what some of you said, but a more rigid one, which would be to put these 2x4 on the walls AND 3 legs under each corner, then extend them to build a frame, so basically build a really tall frame for my bed, but with 3 legs, and the use what I posted here
and drill that to the ceiling or the wall, on an angle.
A second dude, a fatty of 100kg or more, told me to just get pic related, but a big one, it was like maybe 40cm x 25 or so, so using 3, one on each corner of the bed (I also found much bigger ones on the internet, 600x400mm, so I guess I should be fine with that). So he told me to use my idea of the chain as well, but it should be better to attach that to the wall instead.
I will build this in a week or so, I'm getting the keys tomorrow, but I will be painting, cleaning, and doing some of these stuff first.
Also, as a side note, I will throw an ethernet cable to go through the roof and then down to my new flat (I'm moving from the 3rd floor facing east to the 1st floor facing west). I hope a 50 meter CAT7 is good enough for 10gbps.
You mean your apartment complex doesn't have routine inspections or pesticide spraying sessions?
OK I'm a structural engineer from germany, not going to calculate anything unless you pay.
But I'm going to tell you right away - there's no house wall that is able to hold this, unless you have thick reinforced concrete walls (maybe in a basement) and you anchor massive steel rods inside of them. Just buy four columns OR three columns, calculate force on fourth corner and support it either by anchoring opposite column in concrete floor plate OR by hanging on a steel cable to concrete ceiling.
why don't you add folding legs to the bottom of the bed frame? hanging it off the walls or ceiling won't work very well at all
that way it's supported when in use