I have never owned a gun in my life. Looking to try one out. Probably a bad idea but is pic related a good option for first time ever. I’ve always liked them in vidya and movies and I also think ar15s are ugly. Is pic related easy enough for a newfag?
It wouldn't be the dumbest thing you could have said you wanted.
FPBP. The AUG is a slick piece of gear, works great, I love it and wouldn't mind having it on me in a SHTF scenario, but ARs are so ubiquitous, refined, and versatile that if you are only going to have one long gun it really should be an AR. Let the gear queers build their exotic gun collections, stick with the basics for your first one.
Weird first choice tbh but the Aug is retard tier easy to take apart like Lego blocks and it’s reliable enough.
Its a great option mate. I bought an AUG as my firsr rifle and I've never regretted it.
It looks good, shoots great and I'll never skip an opportunity to shill them.
I've got an AR since and still much prefer the AUG.
Are they reliable? They are quite expensive at least anywhere I look, I don’t want to drop that much money on something that will fall apart eventually
Plenty reliable.
Did a bunch of research before buying it - didn't come across anything indicating design flaws or quality control problems
Owned it for 4 years now and convinced a mate to buy one of his own a year ago - both run great.
Not to mention the number of military and law enforcement users who've been using them in conflicts world wide since the 70s. If they weren't reliable then I reckon the Ausfags would've traded them out after the Gulf War, nevermind kept them through the GWoT. Or this fucking insurgent looking fly af in the Papuan rainforest
what the fuck are you talking about? there is nowhere on the gun as weak as an ar's castle nut
>what is a firing pin retaining pin
That will never break unless YOU open it up and break it yourself. It's also redundant because the firing pin retains itself
It's not a "fun" gun. The trigger is spongebob and they are very loud and concussive.
If you don't own any guns just get a small pistol to start.
>MUH BULLPUP TRIGGER
go back, you’ve never even held one
You need to stop coping. Please. I know it's hard for you to accept, but until electronic triggers become feasible the bullpup will suffer.
I am convinced anybody who shits on bullpup triggers universally has never even held one.the Aug trigger is perfectly fine and serviceable. Stay mad, poor
It's okay, you can believe what you'd like. If I spent $2000 on a gun with such an inferior trigger I'd probably experience some Stockholm syndrome as well.
>maxes out his discover credit card to “buy”””””” an ar15
>heh, at least my trigger is g-good!
a $450 AR-15 easily has a better trigger than an AUG
it's not a matter of quality, it's a matter of one being a bullpup and one not being a bullpup
>A $500 purchase maxes out Aug hater discover credit cards
Anon, I…never mind
There is nothing inherent to a bullpup layout that makes the trigger poor. Only the design of the gun. Plenty of conventional layout guns can and do have poor triggers, like ARs. Plenty have great ones too
Bullpup enjoyer here. The trigger linkage inherently adds squish to the pull and there's nothing that can feasibly be done short of radical design changes like electronic triggers.
Fair but I'd still say that's a flaw of particular guns' designs rather than the concept of bullpups itself. Nothing to say that the trigger must suffer from mushiness even if the distance between a bullpup's trigger and action is longer than a conventional. You have guns like the M17S that address the mush that other guns don't. And drop in trigger packs for Tavors but not sure if that targets the trigger linkage specifically
Tavor lightning bow by itself can eliminate that mush and make it more in line with mil spec AR triggers. Only costs about 100 bucks too
Lightning bow fixes the take up/mush
Trigger pack drops the weight
Trigger pack alone is nice, but will make you want a lightning bow. Lightning bow alone doesn't do a ton, but at least it's relatively cheap.
For me the weight wasn't an issue, so all I got was the lightning bow
Kel Tec RDB has an excellent trigger.
*for a bullpup
It's a good trigger if it was on a pistol.
Nta but I literally almost did just max out my discover card to finish putting together my first poverty AR this post got me fucked up, but to be fair it was the degenerate sports betting that almost maxed it out more than the rifle
Why is sports betting so popular? My zoomer younger brother is addicted to it but he’s literally never won, drugs and alcohol you get a nice feeling out of so they’re at least understandable
Probably because it's way too easily accessible now with all the different apps you can get right on your phone, immediately connect your bank/debit/or credit card, and start putting together a stupid 4 leg parlay you feel super cocky about for $10 that says will turn it into $200 and people will keep chasing that dragon because they're too dumb to realize if you kept putting the same $10 on a way more sure bet with worse payout they could actually make some money after awhile instead of going -$600 on their account after only a few months
Won't lie though the few times I turned $30 into a $300+ has definitely kept it exciting enough for me to keep wasting money on it while giving me am excuse to watch a matchup I didn't care about before
>2K
O I am laffin
Eat up, OP.
https://www.bereli.com/steyr-arms-aug-a3-m1-223-rem-5-56-semi-automatic-ar-15-rifle-w-extended-rail/
>literally who site with mixed BBB reviews
>Labor Day sale prices on top of this
Anon…
Bereli is one of the biggest Steyr dealers out there and this is their normal price. They’ve been known to hit $1400 even on sale.
>BBB
Literally yelp for boomers
>perfectly fine and serviceable
You had to use four words to avoid the words "good" or "excellent", kek.
Stay mad and poor
Because it's not excellent, but there's nothing really wrong with it either, like almost every other gun out there. There's more to a rifle than the bang switch, and if you can't make your hits without leaning on an "excellent" trigger like a crutch, then you're the only one here coping.
AUGs are cool OP, you should get one. If your heart is set on an AUG and you buy an AR instead because some seething noguns on an anime image board told you to, you'll never be able to even look at it without wondering if you'd have liked the AUG more.
If you get an AUG and you hate it, at least you'll know. Then you can sell it and try something else.
The aug is shit because you can’t change the length of pull, reloads are awkward, they lack rail space, they’re heavy, and have a shit trigger.
Yes it’s a shit trigger. It’s worse than a mil spec AR trigger and those are garbage too. There’s a reason almost every military is switching back to conventional rifles.. bullpups were a weird futuristic meme from an era of boomer Star Wars and Star Trek nerd engineers. They’re stupid.
>you can’t change the length of pull
Yes you can, get an extended buttpad
>reloads are awkward
Get good
>they lack rail space, they’re heavy
Lmao make up your mind, you comaplin it’s heavy but also want to bolt more shit to it?
>have a shit trigger
I see you’ve been using a crutch, trigger pull doesn’t matter as much as you think it does, and regardless, it’s not as bad as you’re making it out to be, even stock
I’d rate your whole post as noguns/10
Yeah 7lbs for a rifle with nothing on it is heavy as fuck. I forgot to mention how they’re 4moa rifles (which you’ll probably cope and seethe about) yeah rail space for lights lasers and optics is important. Length of pull is important for proper eye box alignment. Important for usage with night vision, important for when you have armor plates and other gear getting in the way. Being able to SEE your chamber to reload, clear malfunctions, verify condition is important. Not having your chamber next to your juggular if something catastrophic happens to your gun is pretty ideal. Having a good trigger on a rifle is ideal which is why socom issues upgraded triggers.
Your level of copium for your Ill thought out purchases is off the charts. At least most people admit they bought it because it looks cool or it was in a movie and don’t actually think it’s as good as other options. You need to dilate.
Lmao, you’ve lost
Great argument. Well I’ll leave the aug talk to the kiddies gotta go back to a man’s thread.
>7lbs to heavy
>leaving back to a man's thread
Don't chug all that soi on the way out fag
You’re literally complaining that 7lbs is heavy for a 5.56 gun, invoked socom for some reason, the switched to how the gun is going to explode, then resorted to calling everyone trannies.
You lost dude.
Aug users are trannies or at least into them tho. Chairs over on /arg/ loves augs and he loves trannies even more
Lmao dude I’m embarrassed for you, but in a way that I can’t stop laughing at, keep it up.
>7lbs for a rifle with nothing on it is heavy as fuck
My AUG with optic light laser and suppressor is the same weight as my 11.5” AR with the same stuff on it
>they’re 4moa rifles
No they’re not
>rail space for lights lasers and optics is important
Good thing they gave plenty of rail space and good thing there are aftermarket options extending said rail space forward of the gas block should you desire more rail space
>Length of pull is important for proper eye box alignment.
Which is why you put your optic on the right place on the rifle, home boy over here really be sayin you need to adjust your length of pull between shooting positions to maintain proper eye relief lmao
>Important for usage with night vision
No problem using my AUG with night vision,
>important for when you have armor plates and other gear getting in the way
Good thing the AUG’s LOP is still fine with my plate carrier on
>Being able to SEE your chamber to reload, clear malfunctions, verify condition is important
Yeah it’s called “rotating your rifle 45° counter clockwise if you need to look at the chamber”
>Not having your chamber next to your juggular if something catastrophic happens to your gun is pretty ideal
Straw man, give one (1) single example of a catastrophic failure at the chamber resulting in any sort of lacerations to the face and/or neck in the 46 years this rifle has been around
>Having a good trigger on a rifle is ideal which is why socom issues upgraded triggers.
Ok then upgrade your AUG trigger with aftermarket, no different than upgrading your milspec AR trigger with aftermarket
I love these threads with angry keyboard warriors with their PSA ARs. Pro tip buy a better AR and and AUG/bullpup of your choice and shoot both and enjoy both
>11.5
Okay bcm chud. Enjoy your blm rifle and Aug. enjoy your bbc chud rifles and getting topped on grinder. Keep seething and coping for me. Keep dilating. Keep that coinslot dilated for your bbc boyfriend bucko
Nah it’s an old Colt LE69453, my first sbr
The Reddit special chud loving colt monolithic upper. Yeah no wonder it’s heavy gay.
You’re projecting so hard you might as well open your own movie theater hahahaha
I’m not the one complaining about weight, and weren’t you just complaining about how bad things are for NV use? Isn’t a monolithic rail ideal for NV use? Go ahead and stick the used PEQ 2 you had to save up for on your carbon fiber rail bro, don’t want to strain your wittle muscles and make your rifle too heavy
My quad rail holds zero just fine and I can actually get to my piston if it needs to be cleaned or serviced. Monolithic uppers are for balding Redditors.
>The aug is shit because you can’t change the length of pull
don’t be a manlet
>reloads are awkward
skill issue
>they lack rail space
aftermarket if it really bothers you
>they’re heavy
7 pounds and change and all the weight is toward the rear, lift more
>and have a shit trigger
skill issue
sour grapes cope and seethe
Just get a cheap AR. This this is 3-4x the price of an AR for no better performance. If you like guns you can get an aug later. uses the same mags and ammo so you'll already be set for it. if you don't like guns you only put like $800 in for the gun+mags+ammo instead of having put $2,300 or so in for the same thing with the aug. And if you end up liking guns you will eventually want an AR anyways.
>bbut i don't like it
go to a range with rentals and shoot both before making that call. The majority of people prefer AR ergos and trigger. The AR is also more mechanically accurate if you run one with a free floated barrel but the aug is certainly good enough.
>it isn't cool like my video game guns
shooting some of those irl is one of the fastest ways to fall out of love with a gun, happened to me with the M-14. and aesthetic should always be a peripheral thing. If you just want to play dollies with your guns airsoft is cheaper.
it's the same for every non AR semi auto rifle in the US
>point out design flaws and areas where the AR-15 is obviously superior, hence why the AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the country with the most civilian firearms in the world
>UH GET GUD AND LIFT MORE FAGET, WOW LMAOING AT YOU RIGHT NOW!!
>Just get a cheap AR. This this is 3-4x the price of an AR for no better performance.
Never agreed with this. You get an AR if you know you want a 5.56 carbine but don't know what to get. You get a 10/22 if you want to get into target shooting but don't know where to start. But if OP wants an AUG then he should get the AUG. Telling someone to start with an AR is like telling someone who wants an AR to get a 10/22 first instead. It's not going to be the same. "I could have had this cool thing I wanted, but I got this other thing instead because a stranger told me to" is a worse feeling than "I got the thing I wanted but I don't like it." I had the M14 experience too. It sucked, but I sold it and have no regrets because now I know with certainty I don't like it, and I'm not sitting here wondering anymore.
>go to a range with rentals and shoot both before making that call
Best advice in the thread
i’ve never once said the AR wasn’t the better rifle because it is the better rifle but that doesn’t mean other rifles aren’t good rifles
>There’s a reason almost every military is switching back to conventional rifles..
And until you know them exactly you're just appealing to authority. Why do people delegate their decision making to others instead of deciding for themselves?
>6lb
>heavy
I normally don’t comment on stuff like this but anon how much Onions and vegan burgers have you been consuming?
Worst stock trigger of the three pictured. Tavor stock trigger is heavy, but breaks very cleanly. M&P is about as light as the Aug, but doesn't have the long creeping mush the Aug does. The fact you feel the need to bring up money makes me suspect you blew your welfare check on your Aug and now feel the need to justify it
>Comparing shotgun triggers to rifle triggers
Malding over being told something else?
It’s because they had the idiotic idea of having a 2 stage trigger pull where the second stage was full auto.
They’re both bullpup firearms. Your level of coping is reaching maximum levels of seething and dilating anon. Oof you spent 2300 dollars on an Aug without even researching it first? Sheesh I’d be mad too
>having a 2 stage trigger pull where the second stage was full auto.
Yeah and it works great, oh you’ve never shot an AUG in full auto? That sucks.
Why would I be mad about a gun I don’t even own? Lmao
Still malding?
He’s definitely malding. He’s been malding this entire thread. Aug owners only know how to cope. If they just admitted their shit wasn’t as good but they still like it we’d leave them alone.
Why is it so difficult for trannies to just admit their career at Walgreens isn’t enough to buy cool guns and just leave it at that? Not everyone is in this position like them and some people can afford cool guns.
Mmmm mmm them (yous)
Stop coping retard, the Aug has a perfectly serviceable trigger and if you’re that autistic, there’s several drop in trigger packs that make it even better.
>perfectly serviceable
Kek notice you will never once hear bullpups say the trigger is "great" like an aftermarket AR trigger or "excellent" like a contender trigger
See
seethe, cope
Maybe I’ll pick up a scar next just to flex on you trigger copers
You're not gonna buy shit lmao
>xir thinks a $3k gun is a flex
You are actually a poor
It breaks crisply, even if it's a little heavy, it's just the takeup feels weird because it's a big piece of plastic going straight back
>AR TRIGGERS ARE BETTER
>buys a $200 aftermarket trigger
Bullpup triggers are similar enough to a stock AR trigger, if you want to see bad triggers look at HK roller guns.
Anyone who can afford to drop 2k+ on a rifle says the Aug trigger is fine.
Anyone who can’t, eternally seethes and copes with what his pals on Reddit (also coping) say about a gun they also have never even seen in person.
Conclusion = don’t listen to poors; on anything.
>the AUG trigger is fine
But not good, great, or excellent. Just fine. Fine as in "acceptable". Fine as in "it's fine for shooting at man-sized target at less than 200 yards which was what it was designed for being a military rifle."
I’d rather have a okay trigger and a cool gun than some incel chud school shooter ar15 with a “””””good””””” trigger. Lol. Just lol
AUG cope or bat bait?
It can be good or great depending on aftermarket or is simply improved by getting a better trigger bar, stop larping and talking about things you’ve never touched or used noguns.
Arid flat faced trigger and a steyr red spring pack. So maybe $75 total to have a good trigger in an aug…
>fine for shooting at man-sized target at less than 200 yards
what the fuck do you need it to be fine for?
Its a fucking service rifle dipshit
Acceptable is literally good enough. Do your fingers hurt you fairy?
It's more expensive than a more conventional rifle, but it's fine if you have the money for it.
AUGs are damn good guns, easily the best bullpup on the market, and if they appeal to you then definitely not a bad choice for a first firearm. An entry-level AR will be much cheaper and far easier to customize with after-market parts but if you don't want one then you don't want one, don't waste your money.
There are some good practical reasons to get an AUG over an AR too. It's noticeably easier to clear doorways and corners with an AUG vs an equivalent-barrel length AR should you ever need to defend your home, and they're also easier to fire one-handed should you need to turn on a light switch or carry your kid or whatever.
The big downside to bullpups is having to adjust to the new ergos compared to a conventional rifle but if you start with an AUG that'll never be a problem for you.
The trigger is fine. Not as crisp as an aftermarket AR trigger but nowhere near the spongy mess noAUGs seem to think it is. Get an aftermarket kit if you want.
The AUG is my favorite 5.56 rifle and I own multiple but it’s hard to recommend one as a first rifle. It’s a great rifle but for the same amount of money you can buy a basic AR and an optic and a light and a sling and extra mags and ammo and get proficient with it.
It’s expensive and somewhat dated, but not a bad option. The mags are gonna be more expensive then similar guns. Your probably also gonna want to upgrade the trigger. Keep in mind when you buy a rifle, you’ll need to invest in mags (10+ ideally), a sling, and an optic. You’ll also need eye protection and and hearing protection. And eventually you’ll probably want either a gun belt, chest rig or someway to carry mags and shit. Augs are cool and proven tho so if you can afford one it’s not terrible option.
The worst part about any non AR-15 is that the actual fun part, shooting and taking classes, is essentially fully centered around that platform. Basically any city in America has half a dozen GWOT sof guys that'll train you to run an AR. An AUG? Nope.
They can give you more in-depth techniques specific to an AR, but any carbine class worth anything will give you training that will be useful with any other carbine. They're really not that different. You think guys don't show up with AKs all the time? They're usually pretty happy when someone shows up with something different for once, and even if they're not familiar with the rifle, they'll help you develop techniques that work for you.
post guns
Post nods post can
Can't help but notice the no guns in this post
Can’t help but notice you don’t own a can or nods and have no business talking about training
Still no guns? Hard to train without one of those.
Every single thread where AUGs are mentioned
You can buy a better trigger?
So what r we talking about then lol???
Your first semi auto rifle should always be a cheap AR in 5,56, just like your first semi auto pistol should always be a Glock in 9mm, preferably used, as they need to be as cheap as possible.
Period.
Then, if you really get into shooting, and you have money to buy more guns and can afford their proprietary magazines/accessories, then by all means buy whatever you want.
But if you decide shooting isn't your thing, you'll be able to sell a used AR or Glock in a matter of days, for the same price you bought it, possibly more.
>5,56
ITT: people who buy what they think is cool and enjoy shooting their guns vs one fag with a WWSD carbine and his entire personality and every opinion based on inrange tv
You don't love seeing Karl's retarded opinions regurgitated in every board and comment section by people who have never touched a gun in their lives?
My first gun is a vz 58. You do you my man. Get an FAL or two and larp as an Aussie or Austrian.
the aug has a great benefit that no other rifle can even come close to. if you post an image of it, it will instantly generate a massive, heated argument. Great for humor and derailing shit threads
Augs are cool but they would be cooler if they were chambered in 308 or something
>.308
They’re not accurate nor durable enough for that cartridge.
if the garden gnomes can do it steyr can do it
It’d be too heavy for your bitchass anyways even if it was, you can’t handle a 7lbs 5.56, you’re not going to handle a .308 anything.
Why would I want my rifle to be heavier than it needs to be, have worse ergonomics, worse aftermarket, cost more, have less spare parts available, be less adaptable to mission requirements. Am I a pussy because I think ahead and you don’t? I can easily carry a 100lb rifle, doesn’t mean it’s the best idea, ignoramus.
Sick bro post your min/max stat sheet bro, you live life in an irl ranked server bro
>piston AR
hahaha makes sense
Yeah a 416.. you know an actual pipe hitter rifle unlike your Aug.
>pipe hitter
Is that what they call a cocksucker these days
No that’s a dick licker
I always assumed it was "crack"-pipe-hitter.
Post a pic of your 41-I mean butter barrel MR223 bro
>pipe hitter
Yeah you DEFINITELY hit the meat pipe bro, makes sense
It’s a real 416 and I’m not posting my duty rifle on this board
Sure thing bro
Oh so it's not yours? No guns then?
I already posted 3 of my guns but here. Here you go gay. Continue sucking each others cocks off while you cum over your augs.
Yep totally yours bro we believe you
>post guns post guns you won’t post guns you don’t have this or that
>yeah those aren’t yours bro
Hahahahahaha cope seethe and dilate chud. Suck some more hrt for lunch. Get TOPPED on GRINDR brah
Dude you lost, just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself
Yes I too can just post pics of random guns and claim their mine. Why do you have a fixation on trannies and gays and grindr bro
They are not their
looks gay, do you even enjoy shooting it? you come off as someone who doesn’t enjoy shooting and only gets enjoyment by trying to flex on people who would rather just enjoy cool guns.
u think he actually shoots it???
Curious
Doxxing is against the rules gay
Goes you’re gonna have to come use your doody 416 to arrest him bro
Nah he’ll just get a 30 day ban from all boards
Your legal name is TNW? Damn, if your parents hated you that explains a lot. Sorry to hear that bro
Oh this is you? Why are you bragging about a super cool manly man pipe hitter 416 that you didn't like enough to keep? Very curious.
But this isn't you, is it?
Of course it’s me it’s my picture and it’s still not my duty rifle. I’ve got 3 416 clones and one actual 416.
Bro you’re so hot bro you’re making me want to be topped by you on grindr bro
>he adjusted the colors to make it harder to reverse search
lol
didn't work, the ad was the first result lmao
>Aug haters confirmed as no guns going out of their way to larp having a single one
Broke/underage mom won’t let me have one/felon-sama…I kneel…
MR223 barrels are vastly better than AUG barrels though, at least in the US
Maybe a new stinky nitride barrel, buy and older chrome lined barrel be it FN Steyr or ADI.
>7lbs
>heavy
if you get an AUG, get the one that uses AUG magazines, not shitty AR15 mags. You can still buy from multiple sources: Steyr, AC-Unity and Magpul. The AUG mags are about as good as they come for polymer mags, ar15 mags are shitty by comparison.
This guy shoots dogs in his free time and jerks off to the videos of them slowly dying
kek. and you get fucked in the ass by morons, then lick the moron's balls for good measure.
>The AUG mags are about as good as they come for polymer mags, ar15 mags are shitty by comparison.
I genuinely wish I could get an AR that takes AUG mags
Admittedly, they are that good.
Other notably good plastic mags are made for the SIG55x series and the AK74 mags with the metal feedlips and locking lugs.
Can you even buy these new if you live outside of europe
Yes, but they're a pain in the butt to buy.
Is it the kind of problem that can be solved by throwing cash at it?
You can buy a used one, at high mark up.
the problem is that there's exactly 1 man that imports them and you could wait over a year to get one. The upside is that they're all semi-custom: you pick barrel length options Given its swiss, you're going to pay 3x what an mid-tier AR costs, or 2x what an AUG costs.
forgot to complete my sentence before getting distracted:
The upside is that they're all semi-custom: you pick barrel length options, the sighting options, rails, steel/aluminum lower, furniture color and finish color. All is done for you at the factory, just takes forever.
>hates ARs
>never owned a gun
every time
The default location of the charging handle on the AR is pretty retarded. It kept me from buying an AR for 10 years, and when I finally got one I got a left side charging upper. That was pretty tits.
Pic unrelated.
It's a good gun, albeit an interesting first choice. The gun will be great out of the box, and you'll avoid making stupid decisions on an AR build until you learn more later.
It's a military based rifle, so maintenance and disassembly is stupid easy by design. I've had mine for over a decade and it's never had any issues.
Aug is literally a patrician choice.
Why the fuck is the actual Steyr USA checkout not secure
I love AUG threads, nothing makes people so mad like AUG threads
Every adult male citizen of good social standing needs 5.
1. .22lr pistol or rifle. Great for cheap plinking, practice, small game, and introducing people to shooting.
2. Concealable pistol. The gun you’ll most likely use to protect, life, livelihood, and property.
3. Modern semi-auto tactical rifle in an intermediate cartridge. Maximally exercise your rights while having a firearm that can escalate violence nearly as far as a single person can practically go while also being able to take varmints and light medium game.
4. Bolt action rifle in a full power cartridge. being a better shooter at long range makes you a better shooter overall. From being a ton of fun punching paper to taking medium to large game.
5. A semi-auto or pump action shotgun. The jack-of-all. Can take birds and small game with bird shot. Can take medium to large game with buck shot. Can take dangerous game with slugs. Can perform self defense with buckshot and slugs. Can shoot fun silly stuff like dragons breath, less lethal bean bags, taser shot, and even confetti. Clay shooting is some of the most fun you can have with a gun.
From there the world is your oyster. From dedicated bird and clay shotguns to cowboy western, to specialized 3-gun firearms to c&r and collector shit. But those 5 cover the VAST majority of practical uses.
Nah they need five AUGs just to give retards super aneurisms from all the seething they’re gonna have
AR would be a cheaper pick, but AUG is pretty cool. However if you'd like my 2 cents the VHS is cooler and comes in ~500 bucks cheaper than an AUG. Though that comes with the caveat you should handle one first before buying because the layout is admittedly weird and a lot of people don't like it. But if you can live with the control scheme I consider it one of the better bullpups and the best out of the box bullpup avaliable
Aug and vhs are pretty much the same price
all bulpups suck but this is the least sucky especially if you upgrade the trigger.
I would just get a shit at and a tonne of ammo. then move to a better ar.
Op if you like the gun, get it. I liked it for the same reasons and haven't regretted it once. They are proven and sturdy semi modern rifles. It's your first gun so you really don't need to be thinking about rail space for shit like LAMs, because I assume you don't even have nvgs lol. its fun and cool, you aren't tainted by reloading other guns so you'll get good at it and before you know it you'll it'll be what you prefer.
The point is that if he goes for a gun that can be modernized like a Daniel defense ddm4 or fn15 in the first place he can spend that 2000 dollars towarsgood optics, plates, carrier, nods, suppressor, etc. Buy what the military uses and stop wasting your money. Buy the cool shits and giggles guns after you have a primary kit. I see so many PrepHoleollections with bad impulse buys all over them. They lack the impulse control to save and equip themselves with property military grade equipment. If you’re buying an Aug because you’re never going to do anything more than put a flashlight, sling, and good optic on it that’s fine. But if you ever decide you want to start goonin it’s going to hold you back.
Maybe they aren't as worried about being some minmaxing nerd like you and just like collecting guns. I have space for a peq15 on mine in front of the acog so what more do i need? lights on the side rail, what am I missing?
Maybe people buy a lot of different guns because they enjoy guns? Nah, they have poor impulse control.
Go to a range that rents guns and spend a few hundred to try several out. Buy the model you like best.
Always admired the old A3 CQC version from a decade ago. Takes the aug from 20th century retro-futurism to straight up modern 21st centiury.
I don't care what anybody says these look sick
How do I get this setup? Can I buy an AUG like this out of the box or do I need aftermarket parts? If I need aftermarket parts, what are they?
They’re out there but they’re scarce and expensive collectors items
why the fuck doesn't someone produce more of these?
I heard they had issues with the rails not holding zero and some being so loose they rattled. The work involved with reverse engineering them and fixing the issues would be a huge undertaking for what would be a very niche market.
If it’s what you want it’s a solid pick, if you can afford it. Don’t listen to any chud who tells you to start with an ar or other nonsense. You’ll drop hundreds on a gun you didn’t even really want and will just be thinking about how you should have gotten the one you wanted. Plus, look at this thread alone and just how much seething the Aug creates. It’s a based first choice to have
Kind of amazing how op apparently doesn’t know a single thing about guns but just saying he thinks the Aug looks cool and wants one generated dozens of seething and coping from no guns / no augs
If you're gonna get an AUG, you should stick with the ones that take AUG mags rather than the NATO conversion ones that take AR15 mags, those ones are shit and you can easily buy AUG mags for cheap so it's not really an issue.
>t. AUG owner
What's bad about the STANAG AUGs?
If you’re wrong handed you can’t convert them to lefty
Good
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No bolt release
One of two trigger bars removed making the trigger even worse
Can’t be converted to left handed (who cares)
What the other anon's have said and I've also heard that the quality can be dogshit compared to just the normal AUG's that only accept the AUG mags, which as far as I've heard and experienced myself with my own AUG, seems to be pretty high quality.
I don't get people who bitch about the trigger on an AUG. It's fine, and I say that as someone who not only owns an AUG but an AR15 M16 clone. It's the same type of argument that people make with the reloads, unironically just get used to it and you'll be fine.
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^everyone above this line is a noguns gay^
Awesome I’m not a noguns gay
Here’s a better option for a noguns cherryboi:
Ruger Ranch Rifle in 5.56 NATO or better the Mini 30 in 7.62x39mm.
Put a 6x9 scope on it and a bipod, and you have a rifl tha doesn’t LOOK like an “assault rifle”, but is as capable as any Plastic Fantastic you can buy out there.
It will also have greater sale value since Ruhr backs all their products for life.
imagine suggesting someone get that fuddtastic piece of ugly outmoded shit over an aug lmao
Your characterization of those weapons as “Fudd guns” is hurtful and offensive anon…you should be ashamed.
My dick is big enough that your characterization of the Steyr AUG as “not ugly” by comparison with the Mini does not bother me.
(Skinny buck-toothed girls with hammertoes and a speech impediment from their harelip need lovin’ too, I guess…have at ‘em boy-yeeee!).
To the assclown who gets his innards displaced out of the exit wounds in his body, it really doesn’t matter whether he got with a “Fudd gun”, a “PoodleShooter”, a Vatnik rifle, or a “Space Cadet Drill Rifle”, (like the AUG appears).
I’m being Christian and neighborly in telling you gently that you seem to have lost the narrative of being a gunzer…which is to put bullets on target.
Not whip out your hardware for a bunch of other homos to drool over.
die in a fire
Your intensity of emotional involvement in response to my posts indicates a certain lack of something in your personhood.
How many years has it been since you had sexual intercourse with a human female, anon?
I’m kinda worried about you…
Conscious or unconscious?
God forgive me, but I DO love this fucking board!
die in a fire
No, AUGFag, ibis th SHOOTER that keeps Black folks off your lawn.
The rifle is just the tool that the shooter uses.
(You really HAVE lost the narrative, y’know).
>6x9
>6x zoom with 9mm exit pupil
Is there something WRONG with having a 3” field of view at 100 yards?
Look at that Crossman-sized optic in the Space Cadet Shoulder Device…not exactly a low-light objective lens, is it?
Maybe the Austrians plan on dropping activated chemlights for their enemies to pick up to make them easier to shoot in lo-viz?
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>unironically recommending a Ruger Compliance Rifle to someone who could just buy the real thing
AUGs are pretty good rifles but I've never been a fan of bullpups that aren't Halo rifles.
yeah the aug is good
tldr its reliable, extremely easy to take apart, shoots well
youll hear some cope from poor people about how the trigger is bad or something, but they cant afford to even look at one, so dont listen to them
if you got the cash and want one get it. its not really a gamble, youll get a solid shooter that will trigger poors online and irl just from having one and you will hear many cope nitpicks about it anywhere you go. suffering from success
Have you tried shooting a gun first by borrowing or renting one at a range?
gonna be completely honest, I have been near firearm machinery since age 14 and also old car engines, the AUG is a decent choice is you live near urban areas, i assume you aren't my neighbor in the caribean rn, now you gotta consider this:[my self reply goes here]
it is excellent in fast target adquisition, ore balanced weight and most human related stuff is decent, while the trigger on most bullpups is indeed worse is not like you are pulling a turd every shot, also look at the costs it is a raher expesive gun to replace parts
as personal recomendation i don't recomend the aug scope anthing else on rails fine but not the scope, ammo still ar15 ammo there is no changing that
lastly i want you to know that if you have had a car you know you are going to want to touch everything and move thing and test stuff, so keep in mind the price
Wanting a Steyr AUG is the foot fetish of guns. It's disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Get an Aug just don’t get a white one like I did
Put a big stack of tape or a piece of velcro or something behind the ejection port unless you want it to get all chewed up by the ejected case mouths.
The trigger is actually annoying and I'm not a trigger snob at all. But a hollow plastic giant button is not a trigger, it's an attempt at a trigger when bullpups were still brand new tech and they didn't know how to make a good one. You'd honestly be happier with a Kel Tec RDB but those are hard to clear jams from. There's the k&m m17s too which is an AR-esque bullpup. MDR is probably out of your price point but good. AUG is great in most other regards except for the trigger so if you test one and find it acceptable go for it. I'm just assuming you're set on a bullpup. If you're not get an AK, AR15, or AR10. G3/PTR91 is also an option but like the AUG it's more niche, it has some quirks that the average gun owner may not like, the charging handle is a bit tough and she's a big bitch.
With 20+ years of gun experience I'm gonna say the AR10 is the most practical 1-and-done rifle. The AK or VZ are the best intermediates. AR15s are gay, they leave a lot to be desired in terms of barrier penetration.
>The trigger is actually annoying and I'm not a trigger snob at all. But a hollow plastic giant button is not a trigger, it's an attempt at a trigger when bullpups were still brand new tech and they didn't know how to make a good one. You'd honestly be happier with a Kel Tec RDB but those are hard to clear jams from. There's the k&m m17s too which is an AR-esque bullpup. MDR is probably out of your price point but good. AUG is great in most other regards except for the trigger so if you test one and find it acceptable go for it.
Solid trigger packs and such are available from a bunch of places for the military guns so I sort of consider that at worst just an extra cost to factor into the budget, not a deal breaker. Can't with a straight face suggest ARs and then say a 3rd party trigger is out of the question right? The bigger thing is just that bullpups remain pricier, just don't have the economies of scale like ARs do.
Tavor 7 is another option worth thinking about vs an AR-10 or MDR for someone who wants 30cal, they improved a bunch of aspects vs the X95. MDR itself is a lot easier to suggest considering now too after all the improvements this year, they even dumped the stupid fixed rail piece on the gasblock to my genuine surprise.
The blk lbl handguard is 2neat2yeet
It's decent, but not perfect. Since leg length is tied to handguard length in that design and it only does a single extension, I think the 16" version is a touch too short. Only a single mlok on the side also really sucks, I had to drill mine out to do anything with it. Bad design there. And what I really wish is they'd extended the vertical 0.5-1" for the bipod so that the internal mechanism could be moved out and it could wrap a can. Then I could just use the 20" version, and it'd add a bit of nice extra height to the legs anyway.
But yeah it is slick.
It's double extension, I agree on the lack of mlok slots. Someone with actual good design skills needs to copy the blk lbl handguards. DT also needs to make a damn 18" barrel MDR.
What the fuck is that abomination of a handguard? And is that forward mounted sci fi dildo a flashlight?
>What the fuck is that abomination of a handguard?
NTA but it's just a normal aluminum handguard with a bipod built-in. It's honestly pretty slick, well built, solid, operates smoothly. They make em for normal AR15/AR10, MDRX, X95, maybe others don't remember. They're fucking expensive though if you don't find one on a big sale or someone selling one, definitely a luxury purchase, but they work and are slick. Though see earlier caveats
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>It's double extension
Huh, weird mine isn't, pic related is as far as it goes. It's a somewhat old one though, if they've improved that for more vertical even at 16" that's good. Though I'd still really prefer if I could just wrap the can.
What are some good ar10s then to get
Another anon mentioned a sig 716 is that a good one?
Ruger SFAR is considered the top option rn
Or Aero M5 build if that's too expensive. PSA AR10 if you're really poor.
at least you'll get support from Ruger 5 years into the future. This is not to be expected from sig-usa's rifle line which discontinues guns at the drop of a hat.
SCAR 17. Mogs every AR-10.
>SCAR 17
It's pretty outdated and overpriced for how mogged it is by modern guns.
I want a mk16 because it gives me the feels from childhood with COD MW2 Rangers and Arma II Operation Arrowhead US Army.
That rifle is a SCAR.
You do not suggest a fucking SCAR as a first gun. Leave.
Most normie tier gun owners are going to be happy with an AR15. Especially the type that are gonna buy it, shoot it a couple times, then leave it under their bed forgotten about. Mags and ammo are easy to find, and about every accessory imaginable exists and is easy to mount.
Non-normies who get deeper onto the esoteric knowledge of guns realize it's a piece of shit. Primarily because the caliber is lacking, but it's just a bad design with that stupid charging handle and the buffer tube negating the use of folding stocks. They'll get an AK or literally any .308 as their go-to rifle instead. The sweet spot is the AR10. You have the ridiculous aftermarket of the AR with the best caliber for civilians and military alike. You still have the gayness of an AR (bad charging handle, shits gas up your nose, can't fold stock, aluminum) but at least you can overlook that to get that sweet, sweet aftermarket and ease of mounting optics/accessories. If you're poor or want something dedicated CQB/intermediate range, an AK is better for that role though. Punches through barriers better than an AR15 and the barrel can be shortened without sacrificing velocity of the round.
>You still have the gayness of an AR (bad charging handle, shits gas up your nose, can't fold stock, aluminum)
SCAR both upgrades you to .308 AND fixes literally all of those.
That is assuming you're against aluminum because it's wastefully heavy and the polymer lower of the SCAR is preferable. If you're a "muh steel" fag then go fuck yourself.
I'm sorry but you're just not going to shill me on this because it's the gayest thing I've ever seen in my life. This is 20+ year old GWoT tech. This is the bulky unnecessary Sig Spear before the Sig Spear, except it does nothing the basic common rifles can't already do, except look gay and be 90% plastic! There have been advancements in rifle tech in the past 20 years that we got a glimpse of in the NGSW trials and this thing has nothing that the military wants or that civilians were drooling over. Your rifle is ugly and outdated.
It's sub MOA capable every single time, and the lightest .308 battle rifle with a hint of durability. With that durability being hundreds of thousands of rounds of full auto fire with no more than minor maintenance, the SCAR absolutely fucking mogs the AR platform in durability per Battlefield Vegas reports.
Retard, get an AR.
Get the AUG. It's substantially better than an AR.
OP here. Very confusing mixed messages ITT. Is the Aug good or not? Looking more into it why does everyone hate bull pups so much?
It’s the best because of the seethe it generates.
Other bull pups look neat too like the vhs 2 but I’m a newfag so why does everyone hate them so much?
They hate bull pups because they’re poor and conventional rifles have made them retarded, you should get only bullpups and then try an AR and see if you have similar complaints, you’ll be like a kid raised by wolves, do it for science
So you’re suggesting being a total contrarian and starting with bull pups? What would you suggest, the Aug, the x95, the hellion all look neat to me (I still don’t know anything about them though)
Whichever one makes you happy, the hellion is the most modern of the three
I started with an RDB.
The AUG has proven itself in multiple conflicts and do multiple militaries for over 40 years, and also looks aesthetic af. I'd go with that.
No one's questioning its reliability, but it lacks a handguard for mounting things and the trigger is bonafide wonky. We're talking about a bullpup trigger: 70's edition.
>but it lacks a handguard for mounting things
Solved by aftermarket
>the trigger is bonafide wonky.
Solved by aftermarket
Any other weakass complaints or are you done?
So it's the Glock of rifles? You buy it for an exorbitant price for what it is (an 80s designed hunk of plastic) then immediately have to upgrade it? Makes sense, it's even Austrian lmao. Shit tier engineers over there.
You’re the one with problems that don’t exist, and even then the aftermarket already solved them, the gun is fine out of the box for most people.
>problems that don’t exist
Like to mount my flashlight where it's always mounted on my other guns. The AUG is just a raw barrel on the front... and this is a problem very unique to it. Some (MOST) of them have no rails at all to mount anything then you're stuck with a hose clamp slavrig job. The trigger is uses I've also never seen on any other rifle that's still in production. It's actually a weird trigger, a wide flat straight pull trigger is pretty unique and doesn't feel like the triggers on any of my other rifles. Not necessarily a problem, but certainly an annoyance. This gun will annoy most people.
>Some (MOST) of them have no rails at all
Anon nta but this is silly. Anybody buying a new Aug today doesn't need to give a shit about the 30+ year history of them, merely what's sold new right now. And the one you'll find brand new is the A3 which does have a rail.
Also are you seriously whining about making some minor tweaks (trigger, handguard) on a rifle when the context is ARs, whose primary argument is replacing parts on them?
>a rail
Yeah a short top rail for an optic. Maybe you can squeeze a light on the top too in front of your optic if thr offset apparatus doesn't block your view. They don't have accessory rails and a fighting rifle needs a light. Maybe you run NV and need an IR light too. The fuck you gonna put them on the AUG?
>well just buy this niche handguard for $400
Ok, but that's exactly what the rifle is, niche. Most aren't gonna like the thing.
There is a rail section on the side of the receiver. Did you really type all that up and not even bother to know?
>they don't have accessory rails
Actual fucking Dunning Krueger retard have a nice day gay.
Are you a manlet? The vhs is not manlet friendly whatsoever.
It’s perfectly adequate out of the carton, but that’s its problem.
At that price point, it’s only adequate.
You can get at least the same functional adequacy, and often a damn sight better, out of a less costly platform that you DON’T have to spend extra coin upon when they’re brand new.
SIG with the AUG has the same problem that Glock has with the Glock.
It’s shit was cutting edge…35 years ago, and now everyone who is anyone has caught up to at least be on par with them.
i'll give you the sage wisdom of first-time gun buying
>the first gun should be something you want, but know you can handle
this isn't an issue unless you're 5'2. 5.56 nato is a piss easy cartridge to handle
>the second gun should fit the criteria of the first, but be a complement
this means if you bought a long gun for your first gun, buy a handgun. if you got a handgun, buy a long gun. this is because you now have a complete setup that you like and know how to use, and if you like it, you'll train with it. no sense in getting an AR you don't like to use or a 1911 you don't like.
>the third gun should be a pump 12ga shotgun if you haven't picked one up already
shotguns are basically mandatory anywhere guns can be purchased. they're tools, not fun weapons that can also be HD/hunting. shotguns can chamber a fuckload of shell types, they're stupidly common, the ammo is stupidly common, they're retardedly easy to maintain and operate, no one is looking to confiscate them, and they're 50 state legal. am 18" pump shotgun is a foundational weapon to own.
>weapon u know you can handle
it's not like someone can buy a fucking LAW from walmart, what shit have you ever been near that you felt you "couldn't handle"?
you see it all the time. women buying full frame .357s because their husband wants them to have one, younger guys buying a bigass bolt gun for hunting when they really only need a .243 or .223, twink lookin mfers buying compact polymer frame 10mm or .45s, etc.
people buy guns that are either too big or too hard to maintain for what they're doing. in a perfect world, people would be buying a kel-tec P17 (that exact pistol by name, it runs like any modern handgun but in .22) and a long gun in .22 just for training. but people don't do that. people run out and buy what they see in the movies. most of the time than means a glock and AR, so it ends well, but quite a few times that means inexperienced or zero-experience people picking up big revolvers or >le hunting riffle because they were told it's good.
my first rifle was a zastava AK, and first handgun was a G19. i can handle those because i'm a fat 6'2 PrepHoleommando who's been shooting since he was 12. most people aren't that. most people need to start with a .22 like i did as a kid and move up, but simply don't know better
>i'm a fat 6'2 PrepHoleommando who's been shooting since he was 12
that's all I had to read to know I'd be your friend, anon
your response was well reasoned and actually made me remember why I stopped carrying the judge; I do lack the mass/desire to train up the hold-down on a .410 snub.
i would love to have a judge, it seems like a really cool gun. i wouldn't want to keep it fed, and i wouldn't ever want to carry it, but it's a cool gun. my carry gun is a P365 for now, it'll be my G19 when i get a new MOS plate and make a new holster for it
It’s a neat gun
It’s a meme gun yes a vidya / movie gun yes but that’s because it’s very unique looking
Nothing wrong with getting one, don’t listen to triggered ar poorfags, if you want one get one, simple as
I don't like the AUG because it vibrates like a bus window on the cheek rest and I can't shoot it left-handed or I'll get an eye gouged out by brass
That’s just you on adderall, and Mac doesn’t seem to have a problem even without switching boats.
*bolts
Now why on Earth would I tolerate getting swaffled in the face
Because you take dicks like that on the reg, so a little 5.56 ain’t no thing.
Are you likening spent brass and recoil to being buggered, sir
You’re the expert, you tell me.
I feel obliged to bite my thumb at thee, sir
Do it. The AUG is my favorite rifle.
Another aspect for the OP to think about.
The AUG, along with all the other properly identified, (not JooMedia gayry), assault rifles, were the product of flawed military thinking.
That thinking was to create a “one size fits most” rifle that is expected to perform from an Arctic environment to a desert to a tropical rain forest to service at sea.
For a poor country, or one with a very limited environment of where it could possibly fight, this makes a certain sense.
But for a wealthy nation, it’s fucking retarded.
In WW2 we had guys toting M1 carbines in North Africa, where the vast majority of them should have been humping Garanda.
Conversely, you had Marines on Guadalcanal with Garands where most of them would have been better served with Carbines and Grease Guns.
The point of this is that the modern assault rifle is a glorified bullet-shooting “Swiss Army knife”…it can do a lot of different things, but it’s not the preferred “go-to” tool for any one task.
The heritage of the assault rifle was from combat experience by the Krauts right about where the Ukies and the Vatniks are duking it out today, and the subsequent developments of the breed, (seeing who developed them and where those nations are geographically), has weighted the designs to be optimized for temperate zone combat in mixed wooded, forested and open terrains out to 350 meters or so.
It’s fine to dump a boatload of cash into an AUG if you like, but that sunk cost is now going to be unavailable to you purchase another weapon that might better fill a more realistic niche in your likely DF/SD scenario…like a decent shotgun or a good carry pistol.
Something to consider.
>$2k
>a boatload of cash
Anon, how about you get off this board for awhile and get a job?
Actually, getting one as a first gun might not be as bad an idea as many people are making it out to be.
>no muscle memory to unlearn from traditional layout rifles
>no point of comparison for triggers, so the AUG one doesn't seem bad
They're fun.
Augfags, can you change the ejection side just by taking it apart or do you need an extra kit?
You should be able to just switch it. I think you have to change something with the BCG as well, but you should be able to just swap shit around, no extra parts required.
JK, I just flipped through my owners manual, pretty sure you need to buy a left handed shooters bolt, but other than that, you should be able to just install the new bolt and just swap the other shit around. i.e. the ejection port cover should just be able to pop off and get moved to the other side.
Shucks I'll have to find one then
Thanks