I live near a naval weapons station in Seal Beach, California. I had the thought the other day, in the event of a nuclear war, how screwed am I? And then it occurred to me, who better to ask then you guys?
I have a question for you guys.
I live near a naval weapons station in Seal Beach, California. I had the thought the other day, in the event of a nuclear war, how screwed am I? And then it occurred to me, who better to ask then you guys?
You're screwed because you live in the biggest city on the west coast not because you live next to Seal Beach.
t. used to drill at Los Alamitos Air Field
You're a retard. Nobody is going to be nuking cities in a nuclear war unless there is something important there like a governmental building or a department HQ or military installation.
I live by a military installation.
You stupid fucking retarded cunt, what the fuck did OP and the anon you replied to ask?
Fucking retard. The guy said
>You're screwed because you live in the biggest city on the west coast
He is implying that the fact he is next to a military installation is irrelevant, that he is a target [because he is a large city on the west coast]. I guess you being able to type a sentence should be applauded, I would have guessed you'd struggle to breathe.
>Nobody is going to be nuking cities in a nuclear war
We are talking about bugmen and Zigger here. Don't project US civility onto subhuman.
Yeah nothing important in LA/OC like the Port of Los Angeles or refineries for the entire west coast.
tbh you're most likely not gonna die in the actual nuclear blast unless every single war head gets through. Nuclear blasts are a lot smaller than Hollywood will lead you to believe and even detonating every single nuke won't end the world. Still you're not in a great area.
He specifically said 'you live in the biggest city on the west coast'. Nothing was mentioned about facilities or governmental buildings or anything. Simply because big city means he is a target. He even says
>not because you live next to Seal Beach
Which confirms that the reason he would be targeted is purely due to population density, nothing else.
>you're most likely not gonna die in the actual nuclear blast
>even detonating every single nuke won't end the world
Source: trust me bro
It is crucial you crawl back to your containment app/website and go to bed, you underage tard
>Nobody is going to be nuking cities in a nuclear war unless there is something important there like a governmental building or a department HQ or military installation
Dumbass retard
>nuke govt building
>leave people Alive
>they zoom call instead of govt building because a building is just somewhere people gather
>MAD is when you only target military infrastructure and in no way try to destroy the ability for the enemy to recruit, tax, produce, or otherwise harm the civil populace
>hiroshima and nagasaki
>an entire year of missiles being lobbed at random apartments and markets in Kiev
>the destruction of damascus
>the razing of city blocks in palestine
but once the genie is out of the bottle, he'll have restraint, right?
Nukes aren't too useful against a civilian population centers, Its far more likely that you would see chemical or biological agents used to target them.
How would they deliver that?
>Nukes aren't too useful against a civilian population centers
nagger, nukes aren't useful period. full-stop. they only have radiation and the awe of a big boom in one small package, that's it. they're vastly more expensive than any number of lesser bombing campaigns that can net you more thorough and far wider reaching damage for the same actual costs and hiroshima and nagasaki demonstrate this fact quite well
The bombs in existence today are far larger than those used in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The success of operation meetinghouse was due to the fact that most Japanese buildings were made of wood. The appeal of the nuclear weapon is its delivery system, a big boom in a small package. You can't strap 1 megaton of tnt worth of conventional explosives onto an ICBM. You have to use conventional means such as bombing to deliver those munitions. And say you are trying to bomb a country with a reasonably strong air defense system, that is a bit more difficult, and could be a long and drawn out conflict. But nuclear missiles are capable of evading the air defenses of even the most advanced countries. The appeal of nuclear weapons is the ability to quickly and easily take out a large portion a nation's war capacity.
you are now aware of the concept of countervalue strikes
Well yeah, of course, but I'm wondering if I would just be instantly vaporized or have to suffer a slow death.
Lol okay guardsman.
How close do you live exactly? You're about as fucked as possible if within a mile or two. Strategic weapons magazines are going to be hit enough times to statically come as close as possible to guaranteeing a kill. Especially naval magazines, as those are for survivable second strike platforms. You're also in range for a lot of fringe states without real global ICBM capability and in range for a lot more of the mid tier ICBMS China has. In either counter force or counter value situations Seal Beach is hyper fucked.
I live about a mile and a half from the port side of the base, but about two miles from the ammo depots at the center of the base. Do you know what kind of yield they would use for such a base, would they focus on destroying the port or the ammo depots?
10+ megaton yields for hardened critical targets like magazines. At least 6, probably triple that. Likely no additional strikes on port facilities since destroying the magazine makes them irrelevant and they are unlikely to survive the collateral anyway. Have an underground rathole you can get to within 10 minutes and water and food and iodide and you might survive. Problem is you're going to get hit with at least one and probably multiple ground impact nukes so, fallout. Really intense fallout. Shelter in place for 72 hours and then immediately move as quickly as you can from the contaminated area. Wear 2 layers, a rain coat, whatever the most impermeable garments you have. Duct tape all joints and gaps. Keep your camelback etc spout under whatever mask you are wearing. The don't touch anything metal that was on the surface and don't even think about consuming anything within 60 miles that you know for a fact was sheltered.
10 megatons, that seems a bit high, I don't think any countries even have bombs with yields that high anymore. The largest one the US has is 1.2 megatons.
>The largest one the US has
Is the US going to target Seal Beach, or will Russia? Russia has some really big ones they plan to use.
Just get a fucking hazmat suit and a gas mask with NBC filters. If you're serious enough about surviving to build yourself a rathole, get yourself some proper protective gear at least
I suppose I'm just wondering if I am just going to be instantly annihilated or not. I understand the basic principles of preparing for a nuclear war, and being in a fallout area, but I am trying to find out if that would even apply for me considering where I live.
Some questions I had: How high of a priority is the base as a target, what yield would be allocated for its destruction, airburst or surface, how far away would I need to be to likely survive, what would the further ramifications be for the surrounding community?
Dude, it’s Murica, it’s near impossible not to live next to a military something.
there's a national guard depot here and there and an army base somewhere around here but nothing else, i feel pretty good
very soon the US military will remove all military facilities from within a 75 mile radius of san francisco
sad I know
pretty screwed
does that frighten you enough to move out? pussy
No, I was just curious.
Right, that was why I was wondering what kind of blast would be used for such a small military installation, if any, because I live right next to it. That being said, I live right on the coast, less time for interception, so it would probably get hit if they were meaning to hit it.
>live on the coast
>less time for interception
Dumbass thbe nukes are coming north to south not West to East
I was thinking about those launched from submarines.
All "working" russian subs are concentrated in the north near Murmansk, assuming they are not tailed by US subs 24/7 during their once a year patrol voyage they'd behave the same way as an ICBM would.
I thought that might be the case for the Russian subs, but what about the Chinese ones?
>how screwed am i
every military base gets a nuke in an exchange. thats how counterforce works.
I live about 1 mile away from a major drone manufacturer. If russia let loose a 800kt bomb i would be in the overpressure zone and not even hiding in my basement would save me.
best way to survive a nuclear war is to be about 5 miles away from a target. and to know how to survive fallout
No, nuclear doctrine targets the others nuclear launchers and planes, then they go for other air based military bases, then industrial centers/infrastructure, then cities. But realistically first strike is to kill the others nukes, so you can survive the retaliation and then continue nuking them with later produced nukes.
I love Seal Beach, always preferred it to Huntington.
>in the event of a nuclear war, how screwed am I?
Not. It's mostly conventional and not really a target. San Diego is a likely target and the port of Long Beach, but you're probably ok. The biggest problem in a nuclear war scenario is famine, which is something you can actually help mitigate.
It's a nice city, and good advice, of course.
>in the event of a nuclear war, how screwed am I?
You'll be the lucky one, anon, And it;s a reminder to live each day to the fullest. Life is precious.
go into the mountains so when you come out of your underground shelter in 5 days the radiation dust wont pool in your area. in like 2 weeks you can go back into the city and shoot radioactive dogs and fight it out for cans of beans
You're screwed, but take comfort in knowing that SF and LA will also be wiped off the map as well.
That is fair, I can take solace in that.
You are screwed in any war or unrest scenario, nuclear is not the main problem of the place you're at.
Survival in southeast nc?
low
Military capital of the country, shit's fucked.
>3000 MT at ground level on a windy spring day
Isn't this basically the absolute worst case scenario in terms of fallout?
Why would you plan for anything less than the worst when it comes to nuclear war?
>Oregon left completely unscathed.
There are military bases there, why no radiation for them?
A thread a year ago.
Huh, ain't that funny. Wasn't me, but that is interesting.
It depends on the type and scale of the attack
Primary Targets (Counter Force Limited): Nuclear bomber bases and dispersal sites, ICBM silos, SSBN bases, nuclear weapon storage depots, strategic command and control centers, missile early warning radars, strategic communication facilities and ATA refueling plane airfields, space launch facilities, space communications facilities, ABM and Air defense sites, the National Capital.
Secondary Targets (Counter Force): Naval Base, Yards and facilities, Air Force bases and facilities, Radars, SOUS substations, Army bases and Divisional headquarters, rail and sea marshalling yards and troop concentrations, fuel and munition stockpiles, conventional forces command and communications facilities.
Tertiary Targets (Counter Force Expanded/War Making Capacity): Defense Manufacturing facilities, Power Plants, oil refineries, research and development facilities, civilian airports, highway interchanges, rail yards, sea ports, cities with large federal government presence (Denver) or major economic targets (LA, Chicago, New York) telephone and data interchanges, post attack recovery stockpiles. Chemical and Biological weapons facilities.
Counter Value Targets: Civilian population concentrations (Cities)
Is it safe to say that the entire Space Coast of FL is going to get rekt during a nuclear war?
Shut up Allen.
>how screwed am I?
you cold not be more screwed. The entire area will be targeted with numerous nuclear warheads to destroy the population centers, infrastructure (sea ports, air ports, railway, freeways) oil production, oil refineries, military bases (more than you you about), and telecommunications centers - including the purpose built reinforced windowless buildings for telecoms, the CIA and FBI headquarters, subways, and few other things I forget about at the minute.