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I hate thet PrepHole and guntubers think that room clearing is legit tactic in war. If enemy has been more than two hours in one building, you dont assault it, you just give the location to air force/artillery or just use HMGs, LAWs and RPGs, until no one is shooting back. Then you light the building on fire and aim at the door or if concrete buildind, detonate at least 10 kg of explosives at the basement.

Buildings can be rebuild, those squads will be dead forever.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You can only talk about 500yd driveways for so long before viewer counts start to drop so you have to come up with something new. It works, everyone else latches on to get those views. It peters out and you find something new. I'm guessing the next clickbait topic will be a caliber war again.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No idea what you are talking about, how driveaways have anything to do with PrepHole?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >He doesn't have a 500yd driveway
        Just turn 360 degrees and walk away.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      picrel

      >be you, guntuber
      >"okay guys, today we're going to learn how to call an airstrike!"
      >"what's that? As a civilian you don't have access to CAS?"
      >"even if you did, nobody would sell you a JDAM?"
      >"even if they did, you'd have to pay several years' of wages to practice this even once?"
      >"even if you did, you'd almost never be in a position where you could legally use one?"
      >"even if you were, your neighbors would almost assuredly rape you in civil court?"
      >"huh"
      >"well"
      >"do you have a gun and a house/apartment?"

      haha

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    it is a legit tactic
    it's done with grenades

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Too many casualties, eHispanicially when building is multi floored. Enemy will just pubch holes in the floor and shoot/drop grenades throug them. Few grenades rigged to detonate when you open doors, more traps, fortifications and blocked stairs etc. Life is not hollywood movie.

      Sometimes the intel that can be recovered from a building is worth more than the possibility of losing one or 2 room clearers

      Its not, really. Same intel could be found on the field, no reason waste dozens of men trying to clear building block because there may be laptop or map inside.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        so how do you "just punch holes" into floors? life isn't cod 2 campaign

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          With crowbars, sledgehammers, breaker tools, shovels etc. Power tools if engineers are in the area. Two hours is enough to make a lots of holes between floors. This is like fortifying 101.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          If enemy has more that two hours at the building, there is no room clearing, it will be just fortress assault. Murderholes in the ceiling, chicken wire in all the windows, canvas placed over doorframes to prevent grenade tossing, grenade traps in the doors, blocked staircases, piled furniture to make inside firing positions, barbed fire bundles rigged in corridors, oc grenades in ventilation shafts... And these are just basic things to do when fortifying building inside. Enemy wont just sit in the sofa and wait you as in video games.

          You forgot to tell about your wars and how you will clear buildings woth infrantry that are fortified in style "Murderholes in the ceiling, chicken wire in all the windows, canvas placed over doorframes to prevent grenade tossing, grenade traps in the doors, blocked staircases, piled furniture to make inside firing positions, barbed fire bundles rigged in corridors and oc grenades in ventilation shafts".

          Gee willikers, if only there was a modern example of a successful battle in an urban environment involving extensive room clearance in fortified buildings!

          Anyway, so when is Six Days in Fallujah gonna come out? Is it PrepHole approved?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >muh heckin fortified buildings
            5 gallons of gasoline goes a long ways.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Some american peacekeeping/goatherder shootout
            <An actual battle
            <Fortified buildings

            Anon, we are speaking of real war against credible opponents.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I wonder what quality the American soldiers had that gave them the edge over said goat herders in a cycle environment? It couldn't possibly have been training in urban combat situations, such as room clearance. That would just be silly!

              >He thinks fallujah was unfortified
              Read literally any account of the battle. They had pretty much every reinforcement that's been mentioned ITT.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >against credible opponents.
              And who would that be, exactly? Give actual names, not fictional what ifs.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >no fortified buildings
              >fallujah
              >a place where the default defense was HMG ambushes from sandbag bunkers built inside multi-level concrete and brick buildings; protected by plate-carrier and svest wearing squads high on captagon
              the absolut state of brown-handed zoomers.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like a place that needs thermobaric warhead, not swatstack pouring from the front door.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Good luck using thermobarics in a populated urban enviroment without being a criminal mafia state with a long history of genocide and extreme political ideologies like Russia.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Nobody replying to the part about Six Days in Fallujah
            I was excited for a second there but it's just Melvin know-it-alls. Agony.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Generally with the same tools used to breach a door and punch murder holes into walls... it's not rocket science my autistic friend

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's only legit if there is a hostage situation or an active shooter in domestic scenarios. In a war room clearing is for dead men,

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      you know what's legit?
      comms + removal of a grid square

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sometimes the intel that can be recovered from a building is worth more than the possibility of losing one or 2 room clearers

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >be you, guntuber
    >"okay guys, today we're going to learn how to call an airstrike!"
    >"what's that? As a civilian you don't have access to CAS?"
    >"even if you did, nobody would sell you a JDAM?"
    >"even if they did, you'd have to pay several years' of wages to practice this even once?"
    >"even if you did, you'd almost never be in a position where you could legally use one?"
    >"even if you were, your neighbors would almost assuredly rape you in civil court?"
    >"huh"
    >"well"
    >"do you have a gun and a house/apartment?"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >not having the latest CAS/artillery support app on your phone
      ngmi

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think there's too much focus on CQC booglarp but tons of people gloss over how they don't have access to military equipment.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What if there is something you want inside?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What that would be?

      Room clearing is legit if there's no calibers above 7.62 involved or there's hostages involved.

      Hostage situations are police SWAT or SF operations. If group of russians in war have house with hostages, just tell them that if they surrender now with hostages intact, they will have good captivity. If they kill hostages, there will be use of wp and thermobaric RPGs. If any surrender after that, they will be hanged for murder.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What if there's civilians, not necessarily hostages?

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Room clearing is legit if there's no calibers above 7.62 involved or there's hostages involved.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    room clearing is an actual legit war tactic. It's always done during urban assaults and always has been since ancient times.

    Are you confusing room clearing tactics with fortress assaults?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If enemy has more that two hours at the building, there is no room clearing, it will be just fortress assault. Murderholes in the ceiling, chicken wire in all the windows, canvas placed over doorframes to prevent grenade tossing, grenade traps in the doors, blocked staircases, piled furniture to make inside firing positions, barbed fire bundles rigged in corridors, oc grenades in ventilation shafts... And these are just basic things to do when fortifying building inside. Enemy wont just sit in the sofa and wait you as in video games.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >He doesn't room clear the building surrounding the fortified one
        ngmi.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What if the enemy had fortified a building but your troops don't have any explosives because they're police forces. What then?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't this exactly where CS gas and flashbangs excel?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >CS GAS
            Gas masks.
            >flashbangs
            Don't work as well as most people think.

            You do this[...] but then you ignite the gas just in case they decided to double the fortification as a sanctuary for women and children displaced by the war.

            Could be done, but nice way to end up in jail for murder, genocide etc if you live in a shithole where politicians, judges, attorneys and "civil society organizations" care very much about the well being of actual, no bullshit, murdererous scum.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You do this

          Isn't this exactly where CS gas and flashbangs excel?

          but then you ignite the gas just in case they decided to double the fortification as a sanctuary for women and children displaced by the war.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. And give the rats a route to flush. They will, unless well trained, whereupon you level the bldg.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >-t. has clearly never been near any war
    Here's an explanation moron. Imagine a town of 15,000 people pre-war, with 10,000 buildings for about 100,000 rooms. There are 800 enemies in the town, 2000 inhabitants remaining, and you have 3000 troops.

    If the enemy shoots at you from one house and moves position, how many smart bombs are you going to waste on empty houses before your commanding officer fires you for using up the entire army's supplies on killing your own civilians?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Please tell how many wars you have been.

      And if you have 3000 troops against 800 fortified ones with room clearing tactics, you have already lost.

      Smart bombs are expensive, TNT, RPG rounds and diesel is not. You conviniently left 2000 your own civilians in warzone, how that would ever happen?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >You conviniently left 2000 your own civilians in warzone, how that would ever happen

        Turns out people don't like leaving their homes even during war. Better to be hoping you don't get Obama'd on the way to work instead of being a homeless loser in Germany or something.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You forgot to tell about your wars and how you will clear buildings woth infrantry that are fortified in style "Murderholes in the ceiling, chicken wire in all the windows, canvas placed over doorframes to prevent grenade tossing, grenade traps in the doors, blocked staircases, piled furniture to make inside firing positions, barbed fire bundles rigged in corridors and oc grenades in ventilation shafts".

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Literally every war where there has been invasions into urban environments.

            If not clearing out the enemy, clearing out the locals so you can fortify the area yourself.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You don't, moron. You clear through the empty rooms, shoot the enemy when you accidentally run into them and then use frags and laws on the rest of their team/squad, and use laws and HE support on "fortified" places.

            What you don't do is bomb everything that looks like it might shoot at you because even America doesn't have that many JDAMs. If you don't have that basic infantry to clear through the other 90% of buildings, you will never know where the enemy is.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Im sorry man, my baiting went too far. We obviously have different things in mind and experiences when speaking about this kind of warfare, and I dont genuenly want to insult you. I dont normally do this but now I just started to bait. Sorry.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >You conviniently left 2000 your own civilians in warzone, how that would ever happen?
        Just look at Ukraine or any fuckin war since the 1910s

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You cordon off the area, don’t let reporters in, torch the entire place with WP and shoot everything that tries to leave. When all fires are out, you search through the rubble with dogs and kill the survivors. Stop being retarded, GWOT is over.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >2,000 remain
      Clearly combatant.
      >how many smart bombs are you going to waste on empty houses before your commanding officer fires you

      Henry Kissinger - "Military Men Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals To Be Used As Pawns In Foreign Policy".
      I guess henry was right after all.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Henry Kissinger WAS a military man.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He's a literal ESL gay tankie chud from /int/. He's never even fired a gun outside of his vidya games. Hell, he's probably not even old enough to own one.

      You forgot to tell about your wars and how you will clear buildings woth infrantry that are fortified in style "Murderholes in the ceiling, chicken wire in all the windows, canvas placed over doorframes to prevent grenade tossing, grenade traps in the doors, blocked staircases, piled furniture to make inside firing positions, barbed fire bundles rigged in corridors and oc grenades in ventilation shafts".

      Post gun with timestamp, shitskin.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I did my service 6 years ago and have several guns, but not at hand at the moment. How it that relevant in your argument that room clearing is viable in real war? But I have had some training in urban combat and we decimated assaulting troops in opfor role with just few strips of canvas, piling furniture and shutting the lights in specific moment. Imagine what competent enemy can do with just this kind of basic knowledge in fortification and urban combat tactics.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. LARPers want to do all the cool things militaries do, but the only weapons they can get their hands on are rifles. So they try to shoehorn rifles into the role of artillery and air support and grenades and armor and MGs and and and.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >ESL thirdie can't imagine a situation where not completely destroying everything in your path would be useful

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Life is not hollywood movie.
    >life isn't cod 2 campaign
    Where did you guys serve?

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >pfff, stalingrad? just bomb it to hell, surely that will kill all the commies and it will be ours with minimal losses

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Hmm, I dont remember that JDAMs, RPGs, precision artillery and thermobarc weapons existed then. And germans took huge lolles when tryinh to room clear fortified blockhouses. But in Berlin, reds just used ISU-152s against any building that dared to shoot back and it was a lot faster that Stalingrad, was it?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but Stalingrad was pretty much leveled

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Stalingrad was such a quagmire specifically because the Germans levelled the city. They were bogged down in rubble of their own making getting picked off by snipers all the while unable to roll their armor, their main advantage, through town.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Should just used siege tactics at that point, its not like commies were too well fed in the beginning of ww2

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You clearly don't know the first thing about the battle if you think that was even a remotely viable option.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Post gun with timestamp. Also, post electrical outlet with timestamp. If you can't, go back to /v/ and /int/.

              I wonder what quality the American soldiers had that gave them the edge over said goat herders in a cycle environment? It couldn't possibly have been training in urban combat situations, such as room clearance. That would just be silly!

              >He thinks fallujah was unfortified
              Read literally any account of the battle. They had pretty much every reinforcement that's been mentioned ITT.

              >against credible opponents.
              And who would that be, exactly? Give actual names, not fictional what ifs.

              You don't, moron. You clear through the empty rooms, shoot the enemy when you accidentally run into them and then use frags and laws on the rest of their team/squad, and use laws and HE support on "fortified" places.

              What you don't do is bomb everything that looks like it might shoot at you because even America doesn't have that many JDAMs. If you don't have that basic infantry to clear through the other 90% of buildings, you will never know where the enemy is.

              Oof somebody got angry. Breathe a little.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He cleared too many rooooms but was always in back of the stack. He lost alot of buddies. Has ptsd owns stock in black rifle coffee company, believes civilians shouldn't have body armor and ar15s, "they don't get to have that because they never served". Clearing rooms is all he knows.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Germans conquered almost all the city but then their flanks collapsed and got encircled

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Post gun with timestamp. Also, post electrical outlet with timestamp. If you can't, go back to /v/ and /int/.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >and it was a lot faster that Stalingrad, was it?
        How many Germans were in Berlin? How many Russians were in Stalingrad?

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I just love how mutts think they are somehow special in military matters, even if their only experience and training concerns shooting hajis in 3rd world country other side of the planet.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah. Also people giving Russian shit for leveling cities. Look, ISIS had a lot of motivated people trying to push them out; YPG, shia militants, government's, etc but they were basically impossible to destroy until overwhelming air support from the U.S. strategically bomb and droned the shit out of them. Ultimately any enemy dedicated to holding a city (or in your case: building) basically requires massive explosives to unseat unless you want attrition warfare or casualties for every inch. Clear a building with your men that you know enemies hold or blow it up? Easy choice especially if you don't care about civilians.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You sound like someone who couldn't take the training wheels off his bicycle until he was 14.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ok, what if you have a village of 100 buildings? It might be abandoned, or it might have only 5 men, do you just bomb every single building, or are you gonna send a few soldiers?

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Room clearing during MOUT is a 100% necessary tactic to not only be somewhat proficient in, but to frankly have as down pat as your military's capabilities allow.

    If you're moving down a block and encounter a fortified position or an ambush set up at an intersection, you now need to find a viable flanking route if you can't just call in fire support for whatever reason (there will be reasons for this to occur sometimes, especially if you've found yourself in a MOUT situation). If it's densely developed urban terrain, then finding that route will take you through houses you need to clear as you make your way through them to a viable location to engage the enemy more effectively. And again once you find a building that provides clear lines of engagement to the enemy, even more so if it affords you elevation over the enemy.

    tl;dr Room-clearing isn't always as easy as just take that fucker down with heavy weapons or frag-and-clearing everything if you *must* enter. These are both 100% viable in MOUT, too, but methodical room-clearing isn't 100% a meme, either.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. Room clearing is mostly something I've seen in practice be done as you're moving through an area to another position in an urban environment.

      Obviously if you know someone is somewhere you'd probably just hit em with nades

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