I fucking hate this meme so much.

>fails to factor in clothing, in many cases
>fails to factor the presence of bone in the animal body, which when shot will likely shatter and cause its own entire wound
>fails to factor in blood loss due to bullet wound
>fails to factor in damage to the lung cavity causing asphyxiation/drowning in blood
>fails to factor in CNS injury causing immediate paralysis/"stopping power"
>fails to factor in adrenaline
>fails to factor in the "oh shit" factor animals have when they get shot or even just hear a gun shot

Ballistic gel is just another one of the myriad of retarded memes that gun hobbyists are forced to endure in the name of """advancement in bullet technology""". The only thing that gel actually does well is entertain people when shot in slow motion footage, and anyone who claims it has anything to do with actual effect of firearms on living animals is smoking crack.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Alright, show me your ideal testing medium then retard.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unethical AND retarded, I suspect no less from such a retarded Op

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Some one post the copy pasta where the guy tests 5.56 on vietnamese civillians even though noone asked him to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is why my father specifically donated his body to a lab that does work with the DoD. They contract with the company in order to use corpses for ballistics testing. He wanted to make sure his body was used for this purpose. We looked into it before his death and unfortunately all testing results are top secret and to there is no way to get any sort of details (reports, video, audio) of the results. So while there is no guarantee it wouldn't be used for some other weird purpose, he was pretty confident it would be used as he wished

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >donating his dead corpse to strangers
        I aint letting anybody use my corpse even if it would save some childs life
        I am getting cremated because i ain't taking the chances of being ass blasted by a necrophile while dead

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          First you reject losing your virginity in life, now you reject losing your virginity in death.
          Touch grass my man.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >t. Necrophile

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Who literally gives a shit.
          You certainly don't, you are dead.
          Throw me to the birds, corpse rapists, ballistics testing, medical experiments, reuse my organs for dying people, being dead I literally do not give a flying shit.

          The only reason I would not want my corpse disrespected is because of the pain it would cause my loved ones, but I would expect them to be pragmatic about it too being my kin is similar in mind.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i'm doing the body farm thing. They'll be tossing my body out into the scrub near San Marcos and studying my corpse's return to the soil for forensic anthropology shit. My meat'll feed the coyotes and buzzards and deer will apparently chomp the bones for calcium (which was first observed at that facility).
            They'll even pick up my body for free if it's within a few hundred miles. I just want my remains to benefit the native wildlife because I love hiking and hunting and observing fauna. Don't believe in any of that spiritual shit but it just feels satisfying knowing I'll be feeding the animals that've brought me joy throughout my life.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Neat.
              Good on you anon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > i ain't taking the chances of being ass blasted by a necrophile while dead
          Ok, we'll give you a stick so you can defend yourself

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I am getting cremated
          I hope you have the person lined up and thoroughly vetted that's gonna drive you to the oven and then stay there and watch, because otherwise you're getting that butt fucked several times and also
          >a dick on the lips

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          they can still mix ur ashes into a fine paste, and use it to jack off.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They blow it up or use it for crash testing when testing ejection seats.
        We know this because a guy suid the GOV bc they found out they used his moms body for testing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They banged your dad.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      .

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The MEAT TARGET
      T shirt in the front
      Leather jacket skin
      Pork rib pectorals
      Whatever fruit was handy that day for lungs, but oranges preferable
      Pork ribs on the back
      Another layer of leather jacket for the skin
      Another layer of t-shirt on the back
      Backed by the new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and anyone who claims it has anything to do with actual effect of firearms on living animals is smoking crack.
        Well clearly. But that's not its purpose. The purpose of gel is NOT to simulate a human or animal body. It's purpose is to provide a consistent medium to compare bullets between each other.

        Meat is fine for making cool videos (as is gel), but it's too inconsistent to be used as a testing medium. It also introduces the variable of shot placement to the equation which makes the data worthless.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >variable shot data
          Nah. As long as all shots hit the target it’s valid. It’s not a qualified test at all, it’s quantitive. You can see rounds hit a rib and compare them to ones that don’t, (and how they perform hitting a bone, do they break it, get stopped, etc). You see lack of penetration/over penetration. You can see things like the hollow point cavity being filled with clothing and leather jacket skin and failing to expand. It’s a test people should see. The US Army just shoots cadavers and pigs to do it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I meant, it’s not quantitive, it’s qualitative. It has a purpose just like gel tests do. The old days they just shot pigs to do it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is stupid.
        >it meat so it’s realistic!
        Dead bloodless meat is about as useful as shooting water jugs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dead bone is closer to live bone than gelatin.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >show me your ideal testing medium then retard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        BOOBA

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Don't do it anon, you're 9 days in.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah but the face attached to em fuckin oof.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Faces like that are what doggy style was invented for.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Drug addicted homeless

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're yet another retard who doesn't understand the original test at all anon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP. But the entire point was depth in a static medium?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Not OP. But the entire point was depth in a static medium?
        Anon, it doesn't matter if the medium is "realistic" or not so long as it's consistent and then you calibrate it to actual bodies. Which is what the FBI did. They did a bunch of work and ended up with a very specific repeatable gel formula that could be put together consistently and had decently measurable variation for bullets. Then they tested rounds and compared it to data on shooting humans. Remember this is all probabilistic, the point is averages over hundreds to thousands to tens of thousands of encounters. In the end, the FBI found that 12-18" of penetration in their specific gel equated to a reasonable range for use against actual people in normal clothing.

        THINK ANON: go measure yourself right now, starting from your chest how far is it to your back? How far to get to your heart or lungs? Spoiler: sure as fuck isn't 18". The reason for the numbers is that the gel ALREADY takes into account bone and muscle and so on. That's the point! If it can go 12-18" in gel consistently then on average it's going to go deep enough into an actual body even from a bad angle to be able to hit something important. After that, it comes down to shot accuracy and luck. More shots on target in reasonably tight groups more quickly.

        These days this is an easy target for any modern load to hit at <20yd which is all that matters for handguns (gel doesn't exist for rifles, everything does fine with rifles). So it mainly separates out absolute total retarded memeround jokes like RIP. But gold dots or lehigh or the like screwdrivers will all do completely fine. In terms of pure performance, handguns are a solved problem. Only retards like OP go for "muh realism" on paper rather then just shooting more and getting better.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'll add that, in principle, if one is truly serious about testing it is necessary to use the EXACT same gel formula, conditions and so on. Which is all public information and doable, but some people randomly use other gels or the like since they're cheaper but that in turn means they can't actually be compared to the FBI ones.

          But again, in actual practice none of this matters because it's easy to get something that is Good Enough™ for any common caliber. Defensive shooting just isn't that challenging of a use case in terms of physics and materials, the primary factor is the shooter themselves, to a lesser extent the gun, then some other stuff then bullet dead last assuming it's a normal one.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wow maybe you should read on what ballistic gel is supposed to be before making a retarded thread

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is it supposed to be?
      >it simulates the density of human muscle tissue!
      Wow, today I learned humans are made of solid muscle tissue 20 inches deep.
      Retards

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're yet another retard who doesn't understand the original test at all anon.

      >wow just wow OP
      >i literally can't even

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fucking retard

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a baseline you retard.
    They made replica bodies with simulated bones and organs but they're extremely expensive.
    >Clothing
    >Animals
    Pick one.
    Also, what the fuck is clothing going to even do? Is a T-shirt going to stop my .308?
    Most of what you described is not based on the performance of the bullet, but the placement of the shot, of which we already know the predictable effects. I you get shot in the heart, you die. CNS, parts stop working. And so on.
    Your thread was so fucking retarded I don't know why you made this other than to purposefully be retarded.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I fucking hate this meme so much.
    That's not surprising, people fear what they don't understand. You apparently think gel is supposed to mimic flesh.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Another day another "gel is supposed to mimick flesh!" thread

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bait thread

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It nearly got me too. Ah well, it's still slightly better than another "What's the tactival advantage of harvesting your own smegma" thread.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > "What's the tactival advantage of harvesting your own smegma"
        free water barrier for small metal items/scratches on your rifle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I took it more as a reasonably well done humor thread poking at something that really is common sentiment. OP did a quality job IMO, starting with "retards do indeed complain about this" and moving down the list to a brilliant finisher
      to factor in the "oh shit" factor animals have when they get shot or even just hear a gun shot
      I chuckled.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not supposed to do any of those things. Penetration in gel is a unit less comparison of different ammo, not a model of what happens in tissue.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    While the average gel-shooting youtuber doesn't have much of a clue about why and how to do ballistic gel testing, it's quite clear that neither do you.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a standard consistency material to compare different rounds penetration capabilities. That's not at all what happens inside a human or animal body. There's muscle, bones, etc that affect the bullet trajectory. That's simply not what a bullet does inside of a body, it's just to show that under ideal circumstances the bullet expands equally and penetrates X amount more than a competitor. We may actually be making a mistake using those as a standard measure, because manufacturers are just trying to make rounds that look good in gel tests. Imagine if they were trying to make rounds that do the most damage possible to an actual body...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Presuming the gel test indicates good performance in humans then the test itself isn't bad, but people should be aware that bullets recovered from corpses don't always look like those from gel tests.
      Recovered bullets from autopsy look more like bullets recovered from heavy clothing gel tests.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ballistic Gel lives matter!

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    God I want to fuck the gel hole

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're retarded. Ballistics gel solely exists to:
    1. Identify if a projectile can reliably hit an average male's heart from a frontal chest shot through the sternum
    2. Show a hollow point's ability to expand through muscle tissue

    It is not to see "how much damage" a bullet does. Anybody that thinks that is retarded. It's also flawed fundamentally for high velocity projectiles. A 40gr solid copper 5.56 from a 20" barrel will punch clean through a lvl 3 steel plate, while a .45-70 +P hard cast will stop cold. This is important for performance against bone, which is a factor in determining gel performance vs a real human target. Those same bullets will penetrate 6" and 60" in gel respectively. When 6" of gel is supposed to represent the sternum, my gut tells me the 5.56 will cut clean through it without losing much of its energy, allowing it to reach vitals even in a "worst case" chest shot.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're correct.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's just a method of comparison you fucking imbecile. It's not meant to be an analogue to flesh or clothing or whatever, it lets you take results of one type of ammo shot in one place and directly compare it to another type shot elsewhere BECAUSE ITS THE SAME MEDIUM.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Surely there are plenty of cadavers who donated their bodies "to science" right? I don't see why there couldn't be an official human medium test that could be officially conducted and then released in a journal.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HOLY SHIT ANON take your meds. It's just a single imperfect metric. It's useful.

    cap: P0WWT

    you pouty fuck

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *