I don’t understand the G36 if the Germans wanted a light weight rifle why not go with a bull pup instead of making the g36 with a plastic barrel and frame
The plastic barrel would warp after a few shots making it impossible to hit something
I dont understand the G36 if the Germans wanted a light weight rifle why not go with a bull pup instead of making the g36 with a plastic barrel and...
bullpups aren't necessarily lighter. it isn't very relevant. also g36, or any firearm don't have plastic barrels. and if you magdumb 100 rounds, this will happen in every infantry rifle because they aren't designed to do that unlike machine guns.
tl;dr ure a homosexual
It would warp well before 100 rounds
If the gun was left out in the sun it would warp after a few rounds
Only plastic does that
Nice try.
Your b8 ain't gr8 m8
Its this german hater spamming this again ?
This is just a old myth. Made big by media and plastic bad mkay.
The rifles were fine better then others. Some test were bad BUT because the used the Maschine gun specific test on the G36 instead of the ..... MG36.
The soldiers panicked and were unprofessional and tried to blame it on the rifle that they failed in the first hard contact. News pushed the story up.
Stuff like warping in the sun is the most bizarre part since it turned out... Metal rifles that that have mor thermal conductivity were worse...
Many still believe this meme just like AK47 is the god of rifles etc
imagine coping so hard, that you have to make shit up.
>Under laboratory conditions the accuracy of the rifle dropped to 7% when the gun heated up by 30° Celcius.
Plastic fantastic, you are a spastic. There is nothing any soldier could have done except panic when his rifle turns into a shotgun, yeeting bullets everywhere except at what he is aiming at. Its a shit rifle and should have never been produced in the first place.
>Source : it came to me in a dream
Why are making up stuff? To cope ?
>https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/gerichtsurteil-zu-sturmgewehr-g36-ursula-von-der-leyen-verliert-gegen-heckler-und-koch/14491436.html
Yes, in the dream there is no escape from.
://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/gerichtsurteil-zu-sturmgewehr-g36-ursula-von-der-leyen-verliert-gegen-heckler-und-koch/14491436.html
Your own article says that HK won the suit and that testing found the rifle met the bundeswehr specs. Did you just count on nobody being able to translate reliably in 2022? The incident that caused this meme was a 9 hour long firefight in the middle of the afghan summer.
Not him, i thought it was true that the german mil g36 actually had accuracy problems because it was made of subpar materials ... which were specifically requested by the bundeswehr to cut costs
I really dont understand how braindead some of you people are. That HK won means the following:
HK produced a rifle unable to hold zero, because the Bundeswehr procured a rifle unable to hold zero. Are you guys moronic? This is what the court case proved. The German ministry of defense cant hold the manufacturer accountable if he built the rifle to the specs given to him by the government.
The scandal is that the German government wanted a rifle so shit, hit probability is 7% when a temperature change of 30° celcius occurs. This is what HK built for them because they wanted it. This is the scandal. It is a shit rifle. All other rifles outperformed the G36 in testing. Not even the GDR AKs had that massive of an POI when exposed to mild summer temperatures.
You have to be a total moron (or american) to consider this court case a win for HK. Its a total disaster.
>The court case PROVED
Then why has nobody else claimed this issue is happening to their G36s? Why do places like Spain not seem to have the same issues? Why can nobody else replicate it? Why did it never appear during the trials and demos in the US where HK was dumping thousands and thousands of rounds through G36s and XM8s? Why has the issue never shown up before in 20 years of global service? Why can’t such a simple issue be replicated by people who have actual G36s here or by even a simple-minded Youtuber?
Perhaps it’s simply more likely that the ammo, some sort of manufacturing/QC defect or the user was the issue, and that it’s being blown out of proportion.
>The Germans WANTED a shitty rifle
Even if such an amusingly dumb statement was true, why would the accuracy complaints only crop up now? Are you saying that in 20 years, this was the first time such a basic test was done?
I love how you constantly bring up the extreme corrupt procurement processes in shitholes like Saudi Arabia as proof that the shit they buy works. Military contracts like this are basic corruption and the western world is no stranger to this concept. France for example was supposed to sell two ships to Russia. Now does Russia need french ships? No, but they bought them anyway, because the money that was made was for favors in other areas. The same is true for basically anything Saudi Arabia buys from the US or any military aid sent somewhere. Its not about using high quality gear, its about filling the pockets of a company or some conglomerate, all the while making politicians rich.
As long as every negative press can be kept under wraps, nothing is going to happen. This did not work out with the G36, because the glaring issues could no longer be ignored after people died. This is why it came up in Germany. All the other nations using the G36 havent lost soldiers or simply dont care about them. There is no reason to look into this issue or, if its known, bring it up.
Here is another good summary in englisch:
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/germany-s-awful-battle-rifle-causes-a-political-crisis-400c31ae0c43
>moronic German soldiers can't shoot
>blames rifle
>no one is able to replicate the issue
Meanwhile the g36 is in wide service as main weapon in some militaries and is used by many special forces of countries that don't use the g36 for their regular forces who don't have this supposed issue.
Pic related
The bundeswehr didnt have the issue for 20 years right? Wrong. The government knew about it for years. The others do to, but whats the problem? They are not at war. The rifle is popular among the troops for being easy to carry and it works as a weight being carried around. Thats what these governments are looking for and they are perfectly satisfied with their rifle. Everyone who sends people into harms way isnt using it.
>Everyone who sends people into harms way isnt using it.
Thats just wrong though there are plenty of pictures of operators from countries that don't the g36 to regular troops using it in Afghanistan.
Fact is no one has been able to replicate what the germoid government claims and they got dunked in court and were unable to prove their claims
>and they got dunked in court and were unable to prove their claims
Jesus, are you guys mentally deficient? The court found the guns to be completely worthless but HK not liable because the government asked for worthless guns. How hard is that to understand?
Spain has a laughable amount of dead in all the theaters and they mostly die by IEDs. The event that kicked the entire scandal off was a firefight that saw 3 Germans killed because of their useless weapons. Without this no one would have ever asked any questions and the G36 would still be regarded as a fine rifle like it is in all the other countries. Its an excellent weapon for what it was procured for. A peace time service rifle that is light weight, is able to hold zero for the quarterly shooting of 5 rounds, doesnt freeze your hands during winter time and can be easily cleaned.
This is what the government bought these weapons for and HK delivered exactly this.
Why is everyone pretending to be stupid and not getting this?
Christ why are you so butt hurt about the G36 ?
what did it do to make you seethe so much ?
I carried that piece of shit for 8 years, I was deployed to Afghanistan 4 times and I and everyone else in my unit (FschJgBtl 313) could replicate this issue with any given rifle. You are just talking out of your ass, like most HK fanbois.
LMAO at pulling the vetran card now too after calling the German military incompetent for a dozen seethe posts. Cringe tbh senpai.
Based on your own testimony of German defense I'll throw your opinion in the garbage where it belongs.
I have owned multiple real select-fire G36s in both K and rifle length configurations and have never been able to replicate the issue. I have some other gripes with the rifle and optics package, gripes that may contribute to suspected accuracy complaints, but I have yet to be able to demonstrate any accuracy issues related to hot environments/sustained fire as claimed.
>A laughable amount of dead
Just over a hundred. So not that bad. But irrelevant for these purposes, since none of the deaths were traced to any sort of flaw in the G36.
>A few German troops died and their rifles were blamed
So why hasn’t anyone else been able to recreate the claims?
>Herpy durr it was designed to shoot 5rds quarterly
Disregarding how ridiculous such a procurement request would be, I can find no evidence of the rifle being designed around such a thing. Specific weight and length and accuracy requirements, but nothing like that.
>~~*Several units*~~
Strange, I can’t find any sort of official complaints or after-action reports that mentioned any accuracy issues. Sauce.
>It was known
And yet neither the 36 or “Spiral 3” XM8 prototypes showed it at ABG. And Propability of Hit (Ph) and Suppression (Ps) are metrics that go into testing of any service rifle. So if it was tested and passed against its peers, we can infer any accuracy issues are not a “day zero” problem inherent to the basic design, but something else.
>The G36 lost
Strange, it appears to have been selected as the winner. I’m sure there was a bit of nepotism involved, there always is. But this just sounds like AUGgay cope. I’m SURE that HK developed and submitted a select-fire rifle that wasn’t designed to shoot in full-auto, and it was accepted because “well, the troops like it”. Give me a break lmao.
>Are you pretending to be stupid
Are you? You have yet to present any reasonable arguments against the platform or anything beyond “the Germoids had an issue once and the government said plastic rifle bad”. Did a G36 frick your mom or something?
>and they mostly die by IEDs
wait so if my M4 doesn't save me from a concealed explosive its a trash rifle? damn i have some bad news for the rest of my platoon then
Spain sending troops to Afghanistan isn't “in harm’s way”? How come they didn’t report the same issues from the same environment? Especially because Spain is also quite hot, their rifles should have already been subjected to extreme heat. It’s plain to see that you have a hateboner for the 36, but you have yet to explain why only one country has been screaming about this alleged critical flaw, why it only cropped up in one incident after 20 years of use, and why nobody has been able to replicate it since. Why would places like Lithuania continue to purchase a flawed design after inspecting their stock of rifles?
>The government knew all along
So why was the issue not demonstrated or brought up before? Why was it not shown during testing/procurement trials?
>Well ackshually, they WANTED something that was shit but was nice and light so the troops would be happy
Fricking lmao, as anyone gives a shit about the comfort of the grunts in any military ever. You get what you’re given.
None of the shit you’re spewing makes any sense.
>So why was the issue not demonstrated or brought up before?
It was demonstrated way before the scandal broke. Several units, Kampfschwimmer, KSK etc. began to complain as early as 2002 when they were first deployed to Afghanistan. This is also the reason why they smeared their rifles with whitening, it was the first suggested hotfix to keep the rifles from being heated up by the sun. That the government knew was part of the scandal.
>Why was it not shown during testing/procurement trials?
It was. The G36 lost the trails, beaten by the AUG and a not specified variant of the AR15. Because the government bankrupted HK with the G11 project they gave the new contract to them. Corruption 101.
>Fricking lmao, as anyone gives a shit about the comfort of the grunts in any military ever.
Are you pretending to be stupid?
Wired how this only was a scandal in German tabloids.
And all the international customers didn't have any complaints huh?
wondrous how this terrible, fatal flaw that make the rifle unusable was only found out decades after introduction.
So strange, the German government found no problem in their own testing...
AK47s will warp if left in direct sunlight because the rooskies never expected to fight in any environment except snow.
>magdumping 100 rounds will make your gun warp
What kind of shitty guns are you buying?
It's not even 100 shots, more like 500-600. After 900 the handguard starts to burn and melt and you won't get much accuracy any more, but it will still fire.
Lmao, the Feldjäger report that started the entire scandal found the guns would shift zero after 6 rounds and being exposed to the sun beforehand.
SIX FRICKING ROUNDS! Not hundreds or some shit. 6!
Shifting zero doesn't matter. Stop sunbathing and go get closer to the enemy you coward.
von der leyen cuck
Can you explain how much of a homosexual you are to have this much of a gay opinion?
>plastic barrel
Lol
LMAO
Stop posting on this board and lurk for at least another three months before posting again.
Obvious troll post.
Neverthless, the AUG was a close contender (would have been license produced by Mauser) but due to political intervention H&K got the deal.
nice reddit finger gay
I'm pretty sure I had those exact goggles when I was a kid
That's pretty neat that your were an hsld operator as a kid anon. I mean how cool is that for someone that age.
This little homie never owned any nice gear in the 90's and it shows.
They're Oakleys, moron. See the big "O" on the strap?
Same, I had them for snowboarding.
But Oakley was lit af back in 97.
So much is wrong here and I don't know where to begin, so let me spin the wacky wheel of bullshit.
Aight.
So, the G36 exists because the Germans were in a pretty fricky political position when it was designed, in that the Berlin Wall had just fricking came down.
So far HK were only able to stay afloat due to R&D producing some interesting shit, and the MP5 being baller as frick.
The main frame of the G36 is actually aluminum, with a polymer shell over it. Additionally they designed it so that the trigger group and magazine well were seperate parts that can be easily removed, allowing for a level of modularity that surpasses even the AR platform.
The barrel itself is not polymer, and the warping myth was made due to political infighting.
What happened was a bunch of soldiers were given really crappy ammo and forgot to clean their guns, but the only observation they had made was that "Oh the gun is plastic and plastic melts" and the media went wild with that.
Honestly if some minor improvements were made, like an AK-style charging handle and a second guide-rod for the BCG, then I'd firmly believe the G36 to be a perfect rifle for its job.
But the Bullpup thing? Frick you.
The AUG was the only good option at the time, and it wasn't politically viable to even include it in trials.
And even if it was, bullpups have a considerable disadvantage in that their ergonomics will always fricking suck.
We all already know the magazine speedloading type shit, but if you're a leftie then you better fricking hope you've got one that can quick switch its ejection side.
Like, I get it; bullpups are nice, but there's a fricking reason barely anyone fricking adopts them.
I agree with most of what you said. However,
>Aluminum frame
Steel reinforcements and trunnion covered in polymer
>AK style charging handle
No, AKs are mediocre. The 36 has a very clever charging handle. The problem is the way the optics package mounts to the receiver. It slides onto the weird top rail that’s molded on and screws on. It works, but it will never hold accuracy as well as just making the top rail section molded into the receiver. But I understand why they did it. And it does work pretty well.
>Second guide rod
Unnecessary, since the rear of the recoil spring/buffer assembly locks into the rear of the receiver.
>And even if it was, bullpups have a considerable disadvantage in that their ergonomics will always fricking suck.
An AUG with a case deflector has no more ergonomic problems than an AK or MP5.
> The barrel itself is not polymer, and the warping myth was made due to political infighting.
What happened was a bunch of soldiers were given really crappy ammo and forgot to clean their guns, but the only observation they had made was that "Oh the gun is plastic and plastic melts" and the media went wild with that.
Stop talking out of your ass. All non Germans should just stfu about this, you are clearly misinformed. Truth is:
>soldiers complain as early as 2000 that there is a massive zero shift when the gun is warm.
>one day an actual firefight that causes several German casualties in Afghanistan brings attention to the issue, especially a report by the Feldjäger that determines the German soldiers were not able to shoot accurately with their issued rifles
>The report describes the issue in detail, leaving the gun out in the sun is enough to produce massive zero shifts
>HK says it’s ammo related
>HK says it’s maintenance related
>HK offers to deliver future rifles in RAL8000 so they don’t heat up as fast on sunny days
>Government says no, conducts tests with different rifles, the g36 produces staggering zero shifts
>HK, in light of the PR Desaster now claims the rifle is fine because it was built exactly to government specifications
>it goes to court, Hk provides detailed documentation of the trails and the procurement requirements
> court finds that HK is right. The rifle was built exactly to the specifications of the German government. They wanted an all polymer gun for the European climate, easy to carry around, good for peace time duty.
>these requirements are the reason for the inferior design and the resulting shifts in zero under slight temperature changes
>HK sells it as a victory, non German speaking tards gobble it up.
In fact german soldier have been fricked by two entities instead of one. Their government and HK. The G36 is a terrible design.
Proofs, homie. Because I own a real G36, and I’ve been unable to replicate what the Germoids claim. Though I did notice minor POI shift depending where the pressure of my shooting bag was on the handguard. So there’s likely a flaw in the way the handguard applies pressure to the trunnion, but it’s not too big a deal.
Your timestampless airsoft equipment isn’t proof of anything. It was proven in court, the issue exists but HK is not at fault because the German government procured faulty rifles. If you procure a car with an engine that only starts up in temperature ranges between 15 and 28 degrees Celsius, the range in which the G36 can fire up to 5 shots with acceptable accuracy, you can’t blame the company who builds these shitty cars for doing what you asked for. It’s still a shit car. If you already have POI shift when applying pressure on the handguard, the gun is way more fricked than I thought.
>Abloobloo timestamps
No, I don’t think I will, chump.
>Doesn’t understand the mechanics of the rifle or why putting pressure on the handguard produces minor POI shift
Ok.
I’m still waiting on some solid source and breakdown that demonstrates any sort of accuracy issue inherent with the design of the G36. Because when I run a few mags in full auto between groupings, I can’t replicate a POI shift (though accuracy naturally opens up a tad). And there are plenty of videos of people failing to replicate the results. And the rifle seems to be well-liked by the countries and people who use it. And after that one particular Afghan incident and the political shitflinging, nobody still seems to be in a huge rush to retire the 36.
But my rifle and dual optic are quite new and well-maintained. I would suspect accuracy complaints could largely be traced to either
-Old/shitbox optics packages, the optics being kinda crude, mechanically, and old examples do not give you as nice a sight picture as you want. Also the weird way the optics package mounts to the receiver. And every military will attempt to run their guns and optics into the dirt until the problem can’t be ignored.
-Faulty ammo
-Political tantrums and shitflinging
-The operator simply missing or misusing the rifle
Or some combination of all of the above. Given my extensive experience, I’m very confident in the G36, mechanically. It’s a perfectly fine service rifle with some minor flaws that have been blown out of proportion.
>no timestamp
Because you are shit talking, brother. Filtered.
>Noooo, you can’t just own a gun I don’t and have extensive amounts of experience with it, I’ma block u
I’m waiting for literally any sort of argument here. I’d be happy to discuss my personal gripes or perceived flaws with the G36. But I don’t think it much worse than an AR or AK for a service rifle. Though I would reach for one of my battle rifles first. But if you just wanna shart and squeal about PLASTIC GUN BAD, then you’re on your own there.
HK expert here.
>red: you are missing a mounting pin for your carrying handle. They look the same as the ones under your optic.
>green: only the rear pin is put in correctly if you are right handed.
>second red: whatever the frick this is, its not original. There should be a pin as those in the green circles.
May I ask where you got this garbage rod? Is this even a real one?
Forgot pic
I’m aware of the flaws in that pic, thanks. I’ve currently replaced all three push pins with modified/cut sling-style pins for better retention (the front pin is one of those in that pic). That pic was taken of a spare dual optic I was selling at the time quickly slapped on one of the rifles I had for a demo pic.
So when are we going to see that upgrade package in any appreciable numbers, then? Hm? And why is Germany the only country who got their breasts aflutter about this sort of thing after 20 years of service? Why not Spain? Saudi Arabia? Lithuania? Hm? And why can’t I or the YouTube morons replicate the results? Seems a bit odd.
>Spain
As a spaniard I can attest that the G36 is mechanically sound and reliable even in our hellish sun in the south.
The real problem with the G36 is the default shitty optics and bad ergonomics. Fixing both required to add more cost and weight to to rifle to the point it stops making sense over an AR variant
>Bad ergonomics
homie what? The rifle feels fantastic in the hands and has a nice recoil impulse. The optic is kinda shit though, yeah, unless you get a new example.
As I said, my theory is they realized it themselves, silently fixed it for export versions and probably later bundeswehr batches, but the first batches were out there. HK is ass deep in bundeswehr procurement, so they probably pulled some strings to let the ammo supplier take the fall.
That bundeswehr had so shitty requirements even the first batch was legally acceptable is another matter.
I once read the explanation that there's no metal connection between barrel and sights, it's all plastic which could warp. Never read that again, but the source seemed trustworthy - so I'm wondering whether maybe HK silently fixed that in later batches. Of course the barrel is still thin and basically insulated, so it's susceptible to hot barrels either way.
Its a shitshow and most people not fluent in German legal lingo are still buying the made up lies by HK that were fed to their fav youtube shills. It was Steyr that eventually fixed the G36 with the G62 upgrade kit. Now shills like
will tell you that their rifle is fine, has always been fine and that the entirety of the scandal in Germany was baseless accusations of military personell and that the judge was biased and whatnot, all to cope with the fact that he has a shit rifle.
The first civilian versions of the G36 were highly anticipated in the early 2000 and HK delivered the SL8. It made a very short appearance in target shooting and was quickly dismissed as a rifle that wouldnt hold zero even with excellent optics and metal optic mounting rails. It completely vanished out of the competitive scene and you can get them dirt cheap in Germany. The design is just shit.
>Muh legal German you have to be fluent in to form an opinion
Nice try. German courts have literally NEVER missed a chance to frick HK over. Rifle is probably perfect given that even the courts decided to take HK's side.
The best argument you have is basically "the gun is shit because it only meets the contract requirements." That means the German military is shit if their standards make troops combat ineffective, not HK. Speaking of that means every other military that adopted and trialed it is too. We both know that isn't the case though and the gun is fine.
Yo Hans can you use your employee connections to get me an MP5? I'd appreciate it.
>Our rifle sucks
>Our military is corrupt
>The ammo is trash
>They fixed it in secret
>It doesn't matter that the guns met the standards of the contract
>All other European militaries are more competent and got better rifles
This is your country on "believe all women, even if they don't know what they're talking about and are looking for a promotion." Pathetic they can't point out a witch Hunt and move on.
Damn, I guess that's a no? How about an HK33? Those things are pretty cool
>le great conspiracy by german courts against HK
You have to be American to believe this. And yes, the German military procurement process ist shit. Steyr won the trials with the AUG, yet the chose to go with the G36 because of corruption. The same thing happened again for their upcoming rifle. Haenel won the trials, HK got it eventually. Dont get me started on procurement in even more corrupt countries. They also dont have any issues because no one looks into them. Germany had that shit rifle for over a decade before it ended up getting several soldiers killed. Spain or Norway do not have combat troops in any active war zone and if they send someone these are usually special forces that dont use the dogshit peace time garbage rod that is the G36.
You will never see that upgrade package because fixing an inherently bad design isnt worth it. Unlike the brits that wanted to stay with their SA80 the Germans procured a new rifle, again choosing HK over the superior offer that won the trials.
>Norway do not have combat troops in any active war zone and if they send someone these are usually special forces that dont use the dogshit peace time garbage rod that is the G36.
Our Coastal Rangers used the G36 when deployed to Afghanistan, but they are the only ones here who use it as standard. Everyone else used the 416 or C7/8's
Post german sources, I can understand the Behördensprech
Read this, good summary.
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/gerichtsurteil-zu-sturmgewehr-g36-ursula-von-der-leyen-verliert-gegen-heckler-und-koch/14491436.html
Some parts from the article:
>The accuracy of the rifle dropped to 7% when the gun heated up by 30 degrees Celcius.
7% of the original 100%. After 30°. Thats insane trash.
>The Koblenzer judges came to the conclusion, that the shipped rifles did not deviate from the rifles procured. The Bundeswehr became what they ordered. Nowhere in the contract where a clause that HK would have to deliver a rifle based on the specific needs of the Bundeswehr
They built a total useless rifle to the exact specifications, but not for the needs of the German Armed Forces. Hilarious, the judges made clear that the procurement process was basically demanding a rifle that did not meet the needs of the soldiers using them.
>They built a total useless [gun] to the exact specifications, but not for the needs of the [end users]
they can't keep getting away with it
t. Greens voter
>aluminum
Not true. it's glass filled polymer all the way. There are exactly 3 pieces of steel inserted into the receiver:
>a steel plate at the top/back where the endcap/stock attach
>a metal plate on the side on which the cam pin rides
>the metal trunnion/barrel extension
the optic rail is also a problem with KAC sights like the OP picture: the front and back part of the receiver should be connected by a rail so you lose rigidity without it. Additionally none of the handguards hold zero, which led to the germans attaching their laser module way back on the side of the original carryhandle optic (which was also garbage, fogged up, tiny FOV, the 3x scope wasn't illuminated, red dot gave you an easy 3 inches height over bore.
I do wonder however why the zeroing issues and POI shifts seem to not be a problem with the MP7 and UMP. You'd figure that all three guns would heat up at the same rate.
>I do wonder however why the zeroing issues and POI shifts seem to not be a problem with the MP7 and UMP. You'd figure that all three guns would heat up at the same rate.
Its is not a problem because these are not shot full auto at range to suppress an enemy. THis is what made this issue flare up. You dont really care that your mp7 is 12 moa when you shot somewhere between 10 to 15 meters.
I actually like the dual optic-when it’s new. They get foggy and flaky if you buy a beat-up milsurp example. But new, they’re pretty decent. And they’re utterly iconic to the gun. For 1995 that shit was way ahead of the curve.
There used to be a F2P shooter called Combat Arms. It was created by Nexon, the people who made Maplestory. The G36 was the best gun, but it looked like metal. I spent most of my life thinking Germans were bad asses lugging around solid steel guns.
Cool 0.1 seconds you give us to look at the gun moron. Expected of a moegay.
that game was so much fun. much better than warrock
G36 was not particularly good, it was just the first reliable 3 shot assault rifle you got. So every new player could pick it up to play on par with the dumbasses who paid for specs and fancy rented premium guns.
My AUG is 10 pounds. They are 8 pounds with the shitty scope and no provision for a light or a laser.
>Shitty optic
The dual optic is the breasts, especially for the mid-90s. That shit was very ahead of the curve.
>No provision for light and laser
Later handguard with the mounting holes at basically no weight penalty. Ok.
I am talking about the AUG, thehmxdgy G36 even in full rifle form is 6.5 pounds.
Oh, I’m fricking moronic, sorry.
>the g36 with a plastic barrel and frame
lmfao
You know Germany had conscription until 2010?
Bundeswehr wanted a light, idiot proof, cheap to manufacture rifle for dumb shit Jürgen.
Really? I thought they only just recently abandoned their post-war shame
My question is why didn't they just eat the extra couple ounces and put an aluminum chassis inside the receiver to hold the barrel true to the optic?
EIN REQUIMENT IZ EIN REQUIREMENT, HANS!
YOU NICHT DEVIATE FROM REQUIREMENTS!
The optic package itself is one of the problems. It’s rather crude in how it mounts, the entire carry handle housing slides onto the receiver on a mounting rail molded into the receiver, with the 3x or 1.5x magnified optic tube sitting inside resting on the rubber mounting rings. Adjustment is similarly crude-the screws simply touch and push on the tube. Very antiquated mechanically, but it was still very ahead of the curve, conceptually. And the reticle is very nice.
At least some of the accuracy complaints people try to puff up are almost certainly due to this sort of flawed optics package though. You can see the mounting rail and how the dual optic or a picatinny rail slides on and clamps here.
> if the Germans wanted a light weight rifle why not go with a bull pup instead of making the g36
But anon bullpups are heavier.
Seething poorgays ITT
This is now a G36 thread. Post any and all pics. G36 is one of the guns that got me into this hobby. As a kid I just thought it looked so cool and futuristic
Pic related. Spanish forces with G36
Multicam tropic is so underrated
>painted his helmet splinter camo
ohhohoho, that's a dangerous game he's playing.
>Germany will replace the G36 with Hk416
>France will replace Famas with Hk416
I hate how all these militaries are replacing their unique rifles with ar variants.
There is a little more to the story though:
In their push to create a unified EU military, France and Germany had agreed long beforehand to harmonize their weapon systems. This is why the HK416 had to be chosen by the Germans after the french adopted it. There are some usually knowledgeable people that claim that this was a manufactured scandal (the catastrophic design of the G36 was known for years, the government procured it after all) the public was just made aware of it around the time to have an out for a new rifle.
This would explain the excessive incompetence of the German government up to losing the court case.
EU military just aint gonna happen though fact is AR style rifles/derivatives are the gold standard in NATO as well as with MNNAs.
Sounds like total nonsense. If they wanted to commonalize rifles, they could just have said so - make common trials, select rifle, easy. If it takes that much effort just for the service rifle - one of the cheapest, simplest, most easily switched piece of equipment - they can forget about all the rest.
This wasnt the case. Before the scandal HK had contractual obligations until 2030, delivering another 230.000 rifles with the option of delivering another 170.000. This contract was voided, HK never went to court over it, most likely because it was agreed beforehand that they would win the new contract. Its all just corruption. The Military Industrial Complex is probably the most corrupt entity after the financial sector.
416 is basically a g36 in the shape of m4
I need a Spainish vest for those sweet G36 mag pouches. Would be ideal, since I’m rocking the E look.
And yet the Spainish and the Saudis and tons of other people have used it for 20-odd years now. And myself and others have attempted to replicate the issue to no avail. If there were inherent accuracy problems, this would be fairly easy to do. So why can nobody besides one ~~*lab*~~ demonstrate it?
>a fricking leaf
>loaded magazine
reported to the RCMP
Do it, no balls. I could use the entertainment.
I was testing you. Good answer.
Greater Manchester Police
innit bruv
that's not how northerners talk bozo
It's good to know pakistani sex trafficking rings are being protected with quality german engineering
You realise these people that you're almost definitely referring to were deported? Also if you're a burger you can't say shit about our police being corrupt
>after ignoring it didn't work, they eventually deported a handful of the very worst foreign criminals
>while continuing to bring in hundreds just like them every day with no screening and continuing to have a "enforcing the law against Muslims would be Islamophobic" policy toward them
Please tell me you're a burger just so I can point to the fact Cartels and criminals/rapists are and have been infiltrating your country for decades
People like you give your personal assumptions on shit and expect people to believe you it's so laughable
>I can point to the fact Cartels and criminals/rapists are and have been infiltrating your country for decades
Yes, and? America is a shithole full of dumb, ugly, violent foreigners and getting fuller by the day. All Americans know this—we're only divided on whether it's a good or bad thing.
>The plastic barrel would warp after a few shots making it impossible to hit something
Nu/k/ everyone
Here's a shit pic of my tommy built, OP
>Muh ministry wanted to hurt HK
Nonsense, the ministry loves HK, just look how they came back to buying the new rifles from them after all.
>Muh c**t der Leyen
Doesn't know the first thing about guns and only follows her advisors anyway. If she followed it - if she and her advisors thought it was a chance to make a name for her, rather than embarrass her, there must have been some serious reasons to believe the problem was real.
Because nobody anywhere likes bullpups. That's why everyone gets rid of them.
wired larp but ok
The only understandable complaint I found was with the optics and even those have been replaced by Elian scopes, so I gues the G36 is a capable rifle
The old optic is iconic, but very mechanically crude. And the way the housing mounts and the way the 3x tube sits in the housing is not ideal for holding zero. It 100% has contributed to any accuracy complaints.
>Pic related, the rail the housing slides onto.
Will pic related alongside a new mounting system fix those issues?
It would certainly help
Do the 36s outfited with 1913 rails use the same system to attach the rail or does that get attached some other way?
I‘m afraid it‘s the same way
It mounts the same way, but some of them are much better at being fully flush with the receiver, and there’s generally less leverage to snag or flex with, vertically. The typical rail also makes the gun feel much less obtrusive. Even though a lot of the room that the carry handle takes up is empty space.
it's just an AK dust cover rail implemented by Germans
What plastic is the barrel? I've been waiting for this shit for a while, is it actually revolutionary or still a meme?
>The plastic barrel would warp after a few shots making it impossible to hit something
ESL ALERT
ESL ALERT
Notice the swarowski scope
noticed—for all the good it does on an 8" barrel
you know, a Steyr AUG with a 16" barrel is the same overall length
>sub-10" barrel on a 5.56
>olight, also not in an easily clicked place
>lpvo on a gun clearly not designed to shoot beyond 100 yds
what the frick
Luv me G36
Building a G36k now