Why not just get a 357? 357 is more powerful and easier to use in revolvers due to its rim.
But I'm willing to listen to anyone who can defend them
I don't understand 10mm revolvers
Why not just get a 357? 357 is more powerful and easier to use in revolvers due to its rim.
But I'm willing to listen to anyone who can defend them
357 isn't more powerful
Is too.
According to Wikipedia 357 is 583-783 ft lbf from 4" barrel while 10 mm is 649-1001 ft lbf from 4.6" barrel. I don't think 0.6" makes such a big difference
Same website says modern tokarev is in the range of standard 357
What advantage does 10mm have other than much more recoil and marginally improved power?
It is anon, from the same barrel length 357 will do another 100fps.
With lighter bullets. That gets into a whole different topic on sectional density and depending on your application that can matter.
A 180gr .357 is a heavy .357. That’s the normal/middle for 10mm
Revolvers measure barrel length from the forcing cone. Semis measure through the entire barrel length including chamber. Subtract the cylinder length from the revolver's barrel length and you get a correct comparison to a semi-auto.
>Subtract the cylinder length from the revolver's barrel length
You either mean add or automatic here.
Anon, 10mm when loaded to its absolute limit just barely keeps up with normal 357. You clearly have no idea how much further 357 can go
Most experienced with guns 10mm fanboy
None of the retards here have chrono’d loads in a revolver themselves
I get more power from 10mm at six inches of barrel than 357 magnum
No, I would not get more power if I loaded it into a carbine because there’s just more room for powder burning longer
But 10mm is higher pressure, and has a larger area, and you can remind yourself that the force on the bullet is pressure times area.
I don't believe you.
Talk to me when you get to 1,850fps
>T. .357 10inch barrel chad
357 outperforms 10 with a 6 inch
Ok. 1825fps from a 4.6” barrel
https://underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto-100-grain-xtreme-defender/
So still slower an weaker? Hmmm 10mm sucks.
Ten seems fine in an autoloader.
But anyone who'd buy it in a revolver is tarded.
According to the data from ballisticsbytheinch 10mm only outperforms 357 at the very shortest barrel lengths, like under 3 inches. With 6 inch barrels 10mm loads were averaging about 650 ft-lb while .357s were averaging a little under 800.
all commercial 10mm is meant to cycle commercial 10mm pistols safely, even buffalo bore
comparing it to pissin hot revolver only loads is disingenuous
load some yourself and you will see that I am correct
i will freely admit that I am not aware of any commercial loads in 10mm that keep up with the hot loads from outfits like corbon and buffalo bore
That's hardly a list of pissin hot .357, it's pretty damn average. There's no Buffalo Bore or Underwood in there.
>load some yourself and you will see that I am correct
So you're talking about handloads, not ordinary off the shelf ammo? And you call me disingenious? If your argument only applies to your special pissin' hot loads then you ought to have said so from the get-go, bubba.
i thought my post about loading and chrono testing would have implied hand loads
yes, i mean hand loading cartridges to get the best result possible from revolvers
Nobody who is hand loading for an N frame choose a 10mm
>pissing hot
>Federal
>all commercial 10mm is meant to cycle commercial 10mm pistols safely
No it isn't.
You heard it here first folks. The guns simply aren't strong enough to handle 10mm at full powa.
Wait till you hear what we can do with 38 special if you disregard what the guns chambered for it can handle
Unironically true, which is why when you find pictures of glocks with their guts blown out it's most often a 10mm model and you can't spend more than an hour looking at 10mm 1911s without hearing boomers bemoan the fact that the frame inevitably beats itself to death.
>which is why when you find pictures of glocks with their guts blown out it's most often a 10mm model
That's handloaders cooking up ridiculous bear loads, you dunce. The 1911 now, that is just not designed to take a beating.
Federal notoriously makes weak and nonstandard 10mm loads. this is a really puzzling thread, you realize you can just do this math on your phone’s calculator? Standard 10mm among people who want to shoot a powerful gun would be 1200+ fps and 180-200gr, exceeding any common 357 load in energy out of a 6” barrel. Any 10mm gun is designed to handle these loads, and the carry ammo I use is hotter still. Still, I would use 357 in a revolver because it seems more appropriate, but it is objectively less powerful than 10mm except perhaps when fired out of a rifle.
Does Underwood notoriously make weak and nonstandard 10mm loads too?
I stand corrected, apologies
Buffalo Bore makes weak ammo for 10mm as well I take it?
By Buffalo Bore's own numbers 357 is moving 50-100 fps faster at any barrel length than 10mm but I picked the same barrel lengths just to give 10mm the benefit of the doubt (still loses!)
> same barrel lengths
*Same muzzle velocity
and a .357 sig revolver btfo's 10mm or 357 mag!
>357 sig revolver
I think a bottleneck revolver would kick ass if they could figure out how to do it
>bottleneck revolver
i dream of 7.62x25
best caliber
Isn't 7.62x25 technically a telescoped cartridge?
no, but 7.62x38r is an uncircumcised cartridge
Oh. That's what I meant
GNR Reeder Cartridges have been pretty reliable for the past few decades. .375 GNR is a .445 SuperMag necked down, he also offered .358 GNR also a .445 necked down. He used Blackhawk stretch frames and Dan Wesson SuperMag revolvers. There are also many more .454 necked down to .429, .429 necked down to .401, .357 Max necked down to .30.
Theres also .357/44 B&D. A lot of custom blackhawks were made in this. Bottleneck cartridges in Single Actions are a lot better.
Also look at .353 Casull data. It's crazy how hot Bubba's load .357
It's another thing for Smith and Wesson to sell.
Also you're comparing it to the wrong gun, funny enough.
The 686 (in .357) is an L frame
The 610 is an N frame, like the 629 (in .44).
So you have a gun that is the size and capacity of a .44 but in the same power range as a .357 but with a significantly narrower load range. 10mm is great but its hard to make the argument for 6 rounds vs 16 in any semi-auto 10mm that weighs less and is smaller.
Not to mention, the 357 outperforms the 10. So there's really no reason to even bother with the idea
I agree with you, but even for arguments sake you can just say that .357 is "at least as powerful" as 10mm and remove the room for contrarians to argue marginal power differences. Even if they are ballistically identical (and again, I agree that .357 is more powerful), you still have .357 being a smaller gun, with the same capacity, and better ammo availability that is "at least as powerful".
It's a spork.
If you want a 10mm, get a semi auto and have 3x the rounds but weigh 10 ounces less.
If you want a mid power magnum revolver, get a .357 and it will be just as powerful but be 25% smaller.
If you want a large revolver, get a .44 and it will have the same capacity and weight but be 50% more powerful.
All this talk about performance but nobody has mentioned so far that 10mm revolvers are also downwards compatible with 40 S&W, since it's just a shorter 10mm and fits on the same moon clips.
That means affordable and reasonably effective ammunition that is readily available to shoot without having to load your own. Even if there's panic buying going on.
If you already bought into the 10mm/40 S&W ecosystem with your automatic pistols you can have a revolver that fires your existing ammunition rather than branching into a new caliber. For some people that is appealing.
And yes, obviously .357 Magnum revolvers are also downwards compatible with .38 Special but there aren't a lot of automatic pistols out there firing either of those calibers.
if you already have an autoloader in 10mm/.40 why would you need to buy a revolver in the same caliber? it's not like a pcc where there actually is an advantage in sharing magazines and ammo
I doubt anyone has a real "need" for it but plenty of people might pick one up just as a fun range toy.
You are right, nobody mentioned that you can use 40 because nobody gives a shit about 40 and 357/38 does it better.
>If you already bought into the 10mm/40 S&W ecosystem with your automatic pistols you can have a revolver that fires your existing ammunition rather than branching into a new caliber. For some people that is appealing.
Yeah if you are looking for something new to buy, Smith and Wesson is looking for something to sell you. May as well buy an inferior product since you are part of the "ecosystem" already.
>10mm fags
.40 Short & weak made for limp wristed FBI agent shouldn't exist
>also 10mm fags
akshually 10mm good because you can shoot .40 out of it!
i have already have a gun in 10mm, yet no 357 guns; its just easier to get something in the same caliber
Oh wow the size of a 44 but the power of a 357 just what I always wanted
i found them easier to reload, just my experience. moonclips work a little better.
People were taking S&W model 610s and Ruger Super Redhawks and converting them to 10mm SuperMag. It's ballistically the same as .41 Magnum, and allows you to shoot regular 10mm and .40 s&w. That always seemed pretty cool to have.
>It's ballistically the same as .41 Magnum
Lol, lmao even. You fucking shills jumped from .357 Mag to .41 mag, what’s next .44? 10mm gays are the most annoying ill-informed people on this goddamn board.
he said 10mm magnum, a lengthened version of the 10mm cartridge
>not wanting to shoot a clip of 10mm
>cant show the other side because of the cuck hole
shit and worsen
I bet none of them even own a 10mm, most likely noguns like the majority of 10mm shills.
And those that do only fire 20rds per year
what i want is a modern revolver that has the ejection rod casing just like on the model 27-28-29 i dont like the full length ones on modern s*ws
You can just buy a new production Model 27. I think what you're referring to is the underlug, the new Model 66s don't have a full underlug either.
YES that. full underslugs are so hot. what made smiths perfect was the cylinder release ergos + that hot fucking underslug. idk why they quit doing them that way
partial underlug not full sorry
>Buffalo Bore
>.357 Mag
180 gr JHP - (1,500fps/M.E. 899 ft. lbs.)
>10mm
180 gr JHP - (1,350 fps/M.E. 728 ft. lbs.)
these are their hottest loads
Guns are chambered in rounds people have and want to shoot. Basically everything works from .22LR and whatever. They all put holes in people and paper.
"it uses the same ammo as my G20 and is easier to load and unload because clips"
This is your daily reminder that the 10mm is a ballistic twin to Elmer Keith's .41 Police Magnum, which was fielded in the 1960's.
.41 Mag was originally envisioned as being offered in two main loadings, the "police load" being a 180–200gr bullet at around 1000 fps—basically .40 S&W—and a substantially hotter hunting load more in line with "real 10mm"
And interestingly enough, the real advantage to 10 mm is the versatility. Not the max power offerings. You're generally able to shoot 40 Smith & Wesson without a conversion barrel, so that effectively ensures you can always find ammo and takes care of any subsonic needs. Sectional density is good. Capacity is the reasonably good for a semi-automatic and kicks the shit out of a revolver, even in the compact offerings. Flat nose FMJ is the norm which is better than round nose for penetration so that's nice, look it up if you don't believe me. Even if the max power stuff only got as strong as 45 ACP I think I would still choose 10 mm. If you are going to carry a full size, and the FN 5.7 won't do the trick, 10 mm is the way to go.
Op here. I never disputed 10mm as a great semi auto cartridge.
I'm saying it's fake and gay for wheelgunz
yeah seems like a good take
Keith's hat and that picture just make me think of this song.
I have the 6.5" dash 3. I like it. I got it because I reload 40 and 10mm, and wanted a wheel gun. 40 has great barrier penetration compare to those smaller 9mm-esque cals. As far as rim, could be a cope, but at the range, I just pluck out the shells, and for all other uses, including dry firing and training, the moon clips are lickety split good.