I don't fucking get it. You just level the fucking place, and push with armor.

I don't fricking get it. You just level the fricking place, and push with armor. How are you 2nd army in the world (and in Ukraine) and not be able to take some bum-frick nowhere town?

Are they going to tactical nuke it or something? Seriously, someone draw on a map, and explain this to me.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You just level the fricking place, and push with armor.

    That's how you get Vuhledar

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    But Russia has taken Bakhmut, legally speaking

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't argue with Alabama state law on this one

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the funniest cope I've seen regarding Bakhmut so far

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Legally
      >Metaphysically
      >Decisively
      >Strategically
      >Tactically
      On all levels except physical, they have taken Bakhmut

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then who controlls it, physically?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Their emotional control over Bakhmut is staggering to witness.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        all levels except Suite-404 12-A 2-B box-17761

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >legally speaking

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're not the second army in the world, to start with.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      second from the bottom

      https://i.imgur.com/3s1CnRr.jpg

      I don't get it but at least somebody is making bank off of it.

      >yfw Russia is entirely funding their war with shitty vatnik Youtube channels

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Level the place
    Ruins make better cover than buildings.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can anyone tell me why Bakhmut lasting 10 months so far is such a big deal anyways? Aleppo lasted over 4 years

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Check Bakhmut and Aleppo size.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Aleppo
      >190km2 area
      >capital of a region
      >2,000,000+ population
      vs
      >Bakhmut
      >41.6km2
      >administrative centre of Bakhmut Raion
      >population (pre-war): 71,000
      Yes. Two very similar situations.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bakhmut is closest to Russian logistical lines and theoretically it should be the easiest to attack. But the Russians just kept dying

      This was the line that was *supposed* to be withdrawn from to fight on more favorable ground behind it, but then the Russians just kept doing lemming attacks and dying for it. So the secondary line of defense became a primary line of defense. And Russian gains have been so miniscule compared to their earlier performance last year, that any gains at all is flaunted by the vatniks as a massive victory or a decisive breakthrough, see Soledar.

      Now the defensive line at Bakhmut is meant for Ukrainians to deny symbolic/propaganda victories to the Russians, while still maintaining face for the West. Even if they withdrew, it would be seen as understandable, but if they defeated the Russians here, that would be even more impressive and the West would be vindicated in the fact that they backed the winning horse.

      Meanwhile the Russians collect their dead in large wheelbarrows.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Russians collect their dead
        lies, they leave them lying around

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah the sausage man falling out of the indian window screwed up their corpse starch process

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        its still moronic to hold on for so long

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >moronic to hold on
          Ukraine hasn't lost the population of the city while Russia has. Its a net gain to hold it while Russia burns out it's supplies and stresses its worse than WW2 logistics.
          There's no reason to NOT hold the city when Russia has to capture it to advance and if you lose it, you basically lose a residential city thats already civilian free.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Aleppo is over 4.5 times bigger and had a population 28 times larger than Bakhmut. This shouldn't have been even a blip for Russia. It was literally Ukraine's fallback point to defend while they set up other defences further behind Bakhmut. The fact that Russia ran out of steam at that point and resorted to trying to take it by waves of meat meant it held on and the longer it held on the more political the situation became and more of a PR thing. Same with lots of places in the world that were pretty irrelevant from a strategic or tactical point of view but where everybody involved decided to throw shit at each other.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Aleppo pisses me off.
      The fact that they were basically able to feed themselves should never have been a thing and was entirely counter productive to a siege, you can thank the west for that.
      >Muh starving Syrians muh charities giving food to totally just civilians
      Yeah yeah exactly my point.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >31,275 overall deaths(in whole province)
      >4 years, 5 months and 3 days
      let me guess, half of them died of old age

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know why WW1 was stuck in stalemates? Because they started fighting a war as if it were the 19th century but with 20th century technology.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    russia is too kind, hearts too big
    but russia kindness is running out

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was idly screwing around on Google Maps and realized that as of now the Russians have advanced a grand total of 35km toward Bakhmut from where they started out near Pervomaisk last February.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get it but at least somebody is making bank off of it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The view amounts are nearly always the same, so they're probably paid for. Or partly. Anyway I am sure Bakhmut will finally fall. I just hope it's after 9th.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That entire video is a month out of date
        >Still no end in sight
        Jesus Christ

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The real truth is that all these videos are true and that Russia has taken Bakhmut, but the hyperfortress of Bakhmut exists within a paradox, meaning that there is an infinite number of Bakhmut's

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >TFW Bakhmut exists within a Dragon Break and when it finally falls Numidium will walk again
        What a grand and intoxicating innocence!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      To quote a girl in a porn scene I saw one time: "It just keeps getting bigger!"

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What if Ukraines counter offensive succeeds and they push Russia out of Bakhmut?
      Will he be ok?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then we all just laugh ourselves silly and post our Bakhmut memes for the last time.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >200 vids about backhmut falling in two weeks
      holy shit, I need to keep up...

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/PvxcbqK.jpg

      >200 vids about backhmut falling in two weeks
      holy shit, I need to keep up...

      >I didn't get all of them
      >142 hours isn't the bottom the Bakhmut hole
      Frick it. I'll update the thing when it gets to June.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What armor?

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Russia goal is to demilitarise ukraine.
    Why did it donate so many weapons?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      ?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        During the many goodwill gestures, Russia donated a lot of weapons and vehicles to Ukraine. Also, by missile striking civilian targets, Russia provoked the west into giving more weapons to Ukraine. How is all this demilitarizing again?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          technically even if Ukraine hadn't recovered a single piece of abandoned Russian materiel, a lethal strike on civilians increases the per-capita militarization of Ukraine by reducing the number of non-militants

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            noooooooooooooo!!!!! And at the same time demilitarizes Russia due to expenditure of munitions. YOU SON OF A b***h!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine has more tanks now than it did at the start of the war because it captured hundreds during the various goodwill gestures, tactical advances towards Russian borders and dedicated feints.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Demilitarization is always the funniest meme.
    You cannot demilitarize a country supported by the whole western military industrial complex through attrition warfare. Even if Ukraine spend every single weapon they have, as long as they have western support it would just get more sooner or later.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Almost as funny as denazifying a country by creating millions of traumatized trench warfare veterans

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Almost as funny as denazifying a country by creating millions of traumatized trench warfare veterans
        ...how do you "denazify" a country....by sending MOAR nazis into it?

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >just level the fricking place, and push with armor
    I love dunking on the vatniks too but you gotta be 18 to post here

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No time. The Uruk-hai of Wagner are very busy fighting with the Orcs of Russian Army.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Putin is breeding orcs* with goblin men. He's building an army!
      *The orcs are also men.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You just level the fricking place, and push with armor.
    Boards don't hit back.gif

    The Ukrainians are allowed to shoot too anon.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They can't level it for mine humongous wiener floats above Bakhmut, blocking any ballistic projectiles. When the time comes, mine seed will spread across the land and sprout alabaster soldiers to war at mine behest.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tried too hard. But alabaster is a gud word anon. 4/10

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pearlescent would have been a good choice too.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its hard to actually stage a major offensive when all your staging areas get reported to the ukes by the American spy satellites and then they get struck with rockets or drones in the next few hours.

    If you stage farther away you now have to risk vulnerable and valuable truck runs into the combat zone to make more resupply runs to your tanks and vehicles and men.

    Russia was able to get away with a lot more offensive maneuvers earlier in the fighting because they were attacking on so many fronts Ukraine even with its intel support had to be juggling dozens of axis of attack. Now the lines basically solidified along 3 or 4 big hot spots that are much easier to observe than the initial like 12 thrusts

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Odds ACKmut lasts until after victory day? I just want Russians to be cucked again

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty good chances. Wagner seems to be running on fumes, and I kinda doubt russia can reorganize fast enough to bring new troops in (if it is even capable for that)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They may try to claim that it is "functionality" taken and then slowly move troops out to other areas in hopes to stop a potential counter attack elsewhere

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just waiting for confirmation or debunk of rumors about the counteroffensive of the AFU in Bakhmut.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >be vladimir ivan
    >anno 2054
    >employed in the 3 decade long siege of the homo-nazist satanic black magic khokhol fortress bakhmut
    >do some recon around the place as requested by head rapist
    >find some old shoddy graves in some ruined
    >exhume the bodies and scavenge for usable equipment and food
    >find dogtag, realize it's the corpse of my long lost father who went out for cigarettes with the cops long ago
    >suddenly get shot by a autonomous sniper drone while cooking the bones
    >anno 2070
    >2 more decades they said
    >maybe this war wasn't such a good idea thought vladimir igor
    >dig a trench inside some remnants of what probably was a house
    >suddenly hit some bones and metal
    >pick up dogtag
    >"vladimir ivan"
    >"what a coincidence!" he thought loudly
    >find a rusty old nugget lying next to it
    >pull trigger
    >accidentally bring down the iranian helicopter above and end the entire vladimir bloodline

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like good material for the next great Russian Nobel Prize winning novel.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like how Vlad's the family name, the same way in asiatic countries kek

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is the 41 Millennium and the galaxy is at war. From atop the Golden throne the Emperor continues his timeless vigil.... Yet even on earth under the light the God Emperor himself there is one pit of blackness.

      Deep within the halls of the Imperial Palace there is a great chamber, what goes on inside has been lost to time and space, all that is known is that every few weeks a single tech-priest will walk into the chamber. He will observe what is going on and then he will walk out and make his broadcast.

      >Another 200 Ukie piggies killed today Bakhmut will be taken soon, two more weeks trust the plan -Z

      No one knows the meaning of the words and no one even understands him but the work continues, and will continue, until the Empire falls and the planet is split in two.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        In warhammer Black folk are slaves

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Literally everyone is a slave to the machine, if someone says you are going to be turned into a husk that will perform menial tasks, your opinions will account to little.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://vocaroo.com/196S73Oy8iVc

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vatnikhammer 40,000 needs to be a thing

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's kind of hard to level a trenchline even more so when you are lacking ammo to shell with. Then when you roll in with the tanks the not destroyed units will proceed to destroy the tanks with the stockpiles of AT weapons they have.
    Russia may be the "2nd largest army" or whatever you want to claim but they are severely lacking in materials to supply that army on all levels. They simply did not build up for a long term war but a quick invasion.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They simply did not build up for a long term war but a quick invasion.
      I think they had no plan B if the initial drive towards Kiev failed, so they just scrambled to do something because retreating back was untenable at that point. I think a lack of clear goal is evidence of that. Could anyone even tell you what the goals of this "special military operation" are now? To capture Donbass? And then what, Ukies will just throw in the towel and let them have it?
      I honestly don't even know what they are trying to achieve at this point. Maybe fight the war of attrition hoping that the West will stop supporting Ukraine's war effort resulting in a stalemate, and hope that Ukraine will then consider a diplomatic solution to this conflict. But I honestly doubt it, they stated their position clearly many times, they won't accept anything aside from the return to the border of 91.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Could anyone even tell you what the goals of this "special military operation" are now?
        pretty sure now it's simply to grab and hold just about anything to have something to show off to the masses and monke's lackeys.
        ever since keef failed and their advance in donbabwe came to a halt, it's been about saving monke's head.
        he and his silovik-morons would rather drag their whole country down the shitter, sending hundreds of thousands to their deaths, than to admit defeat

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I was thinking about that the other day. Maybe the war is now purely a question of survival for the people in power. They know it's going badly and that there will be a LOT of blame to go around, and now they're looking for a way to position themselves to avoid the blame.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't look at this war as a contained event. If the current Russian power structure remains then they will continue remilitarizing for whatever future conflict.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Recently, Strelkov made an urgent appeal to monke and friends to find 300,000 mobiks from somewhere, anywhere, if Puccia wanted any chance of holding what they had. Which makes me think that if a push happens in earnest and it's supported right, Puccia will fold again like a house of cards.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >fight the war of attrition hoping that the West will stop supporting Ukraine's war effort resulting in a stalemate, and hope that Ukraine will then consider a diplomatic solution to this conflict
        I think that's their plan. And sadly they might achieve it to some degree. At some point Ukriane will see that it is better to write off ruined Donbas region and restart economy in peacetime focusing on the EU and NATO memebership (both of these can be achieved only in the peacetime) then to prolong war which might in some time maybe result in retaking looted cities burned to the ground empty of people.
        I think that if/when Ukriane retakes Kherson and Zaporozhia oblasts they will consider ednidng the war at that point.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I think that if/when Ukriane retakes Kherson and Zaporozhia oblasts they will consider ednidng the war at that point.
          If their offensive is successful, I don't see why would they simply give up a decent chunk of their territory. What do they get in return?
          They'll be in an even better position to demand the total withdrawal of Russian forces from their land.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            We are talking about war of attrition, so less death and destruction.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            How do you even retake Donetsk oblast and not bleed out doing it? Shit's one big urban sprawl (unlike aftermentioned Zaporozhia and Kherson oblasts) all the way to the Russian border. Imagine siege of the Donetsk city itself, population 900k. That's simply not happening.
            The only condition where Ukies might retake it would be during some collapse/civil war in Russia. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              you surround it with HIMARS and triple sevens and turn it into a graveyard. Donbabweans had their chance.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The US is more likely do give nukes to Ukraine for this purpose then HIMARS.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Great idea but I doubt Russians would sit on their asses and didn't do shit about your artilery.
                Remeber they can easily leverage their air force advatage when fighitng so close to the border.
                And even if you manage to shell it properly you still need to send in the infantry to clean it resulting in awful months long urban combat.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What Air Force, you mean the one they have skirt around the war zone in fear of their irreplaceable planes getting ACKED?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That one. As bad as it is they still have huge advantage over Ukies in that field. That's also why Ukraine wants at least some western jets.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Part's of Croatia weren't retaken by force, they were peacefully reintegrated a few years after the war finished. We might see some type of that scenario, where it becomes crystal clear that Russia cannot achieve it's goals militarily, and that with perhaps increased tensions at force them to give up and peace out.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russo-Ukriane War and Croatian Independence War have a striking similarly IMO.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          There is a problem with this. If they agree to anything, Russia will attack again in 5 or 10 years.
          They didn't solve the issue at hand, which is occupation of part of their country and Russia didn't solve their issue either, which is colonize more of Europe for the greater NovoRussian empire.

          Bakhmut at this point is a PR desaster for Russia. Even the Pajeets stopped talking about it.

          To be honest, i don't see any positive outcome. The west has to support Ukraine, then, at one point either Russia falls apart or a permanent state of war will continue forever, like in Korea, complete with a frozen front line and a big wall like in it was in Germany.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Putin has turned his Trustworthiness into the negative after Feb 2022. He is radioactive. No amount of diplomacy or assurances are worthwhile on a repeat offender of treaties and a literal war criminal kidnapping children.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia will attack again in 5 or 10 years.
            That's why I said they wnat to join NATO. And I believe that sacrificing part of the country that's fricked up anyway is worth the perpetual peace.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I believe that sacrificing part of the country that's fricked up anyway is worth the perpetual peace
              There is no perpetual peace if you give the bully what he wants, in fact it will encourage him to do the exact same thing again and again.
              Russia gets nothing out of it but hundreds of thousands of dead. If you don't like it, go and help them.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they going to tactical nuke it or something?
    They are trying but they havent managed to get a 25 kill streak yet.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wait a second
      Is the reason so many vatniks seem convinced that using a nuke would solve all their problems because the tac-nuke in mw2 was an instant win?

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty keen to see what Ukraine does with the place after the war. It's gonna become some kind of holy ground monument dedicated to the sovereignty of the nation or something. I dunno how Ukrainians feel about it though, so who knows. They might find that distasteful.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't fricking get it. You just level the fricking place, and push with armor.
    Ever heard of Grozny, moronic zoomer?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ever heard of Grozny, moronic zoomer?
      the city they bombed until nothing was left?

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    For your own sake I hope you're trolling fren.
    Love xoxo

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    That’s not actually how you deal with a city. If Russia still had proper mechanized units, they would secure a breakthrough on the flanks and actually surround the city because urban warfare is an absolute fricking nightmare. Urban warfare is a catch-22. Attacking room by room with infantry will result in massive losses, so to avert this you can try reducing the city to rubble with artillery in order to inflict casualties. Except, contrary to what you may think, reducing the city to rubble will actually make the terrain even more defensible, meaning if the enemy can continue to send reinforcements, you haven’t really done anything other than make your job harder down the road. So you have three options. You can cut the city off, starve out the defenders, and reduce the city to rubble without any hope for them to be reinforced. Russia cannot do this because they lack mechanized units, and foot infantry can be immediately addressed by the Ukrainians if they start pushing on the flanks of the city. You can just shell the city and hope the enemy runs out of men before you run out of shells. Prigozhin wants to do this, but diverting that many resources to one area can leave the whole front ripe for a counterattack. It also isn’t ideal because the main goal of the defender is to delay. The last option is to just send your guys into the meatgrinder, the consequences of this can be seen right now. It is also not ideal because, as was stated, the goal of the defender is to delay.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leveling the place makes it way easier to defend. Believe it or not. Well documented from ww2 allies leveled a few cities and found it is way harder to remove defenders from that type of battlefield.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You just level the fricking place
    Bakhmut literally looks like the Somme
    >push with armour
    they have, idk if you know this or not but Ukraine has a lot of very good AT weapons that stack up fairly well against armour, especially older Russian armour.

    "level the fricking place, and push with armour" is what they have been doing, it is literally crusty soviet tactics. Here's a counter: Modernise your army, when I say modernise I say actually modernise, not ebay spetsnaz modernise. Modernise you army's equipment and tactics. Russia is too poor to modernise, thus they lost.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lost Bakhmut?

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idea for a peace treaty - Ukraine gets crimea, Russia gets bahkmut
    Then both sides can claim victory

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Crimmea is uselees without the rest of Kherson oblast.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >2nd army in the world
    I've been trying to ignore this but I can't anymore, why do people accidentally a word here?

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Lol, only people demilitarized is Russia after it's awful wave attacks

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >explain this to me.
    They are being slaughtered by a professional military supported militarily by 40 nations and economically and diplomatically by 100 more. Pic related does not even include Russian MIA/WIA/POW or assassinated collaborators or destroyed Russian facilities like oil tanks, weapons manufacturing, bridges, trains etc. Russia is getting its ass handed to it. This is not just that Russia has lost this war. This is making sure Russia will never be able to go to war or threaten another nation again and disarming it forever by accurate firepower and superior intelligence and tactics.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is Russia being finally taught a lesson, about time

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russia has given the US, EU, G7,NATO and even now places like Ireland and Finland and Bosnia and Albania, most of Africa and South America nothing but shit and threats for a decade. Durr hurr muh wager war criminals raped and murdered so funny muh spoilt brat expatriate kepto zigger scum muh subversion and riots and lies and sponsoring commies and extremists. Most of the globe would be glad to see russia disappear

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Prigozhin: "Yesterday, the Wagner PMCs advanced 160 meters in Bakhmut. Losses - 103 people. If it were not for shell starvation, the losses would have been much lower."

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery shortages. HIMARs blew up their local stockpiles and Russian logistics are so shit they still haven't replaced them.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I assume they want to hold until at least the 9th and not give Russia "a win" for their victory day. Then again, Russia claims bullshit all the time.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >just level the fricking place
    Yeah, enough rockets should arrive in about ten 3-month increments.
    Maybe North Korea has some spare shells.

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Look you are dripping salty hiv tears polvatBlack person. drip them into a cup of frick off and drink it

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tactical nuke requires a decent long killstreak. I doubt ivan ivanovich can manage that

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    bahkmut status?

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's most likely being discussed in the media so the average person doesn't focus on what's really happening.
    It's a bunch of convicts and the worst units the Ukrainian military has fighting each other in a worthless city while not having enough food and ammunition, it'd be smarter and more honest for journalists to just move on to other subjects but for some reason every major news outlet has to mention Ukraine once every day at least, most likely this is to remind the taxpayer this is where his money goes.

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