and they are fucking dogshit
they don't even cover half of my torso, any bullet lower than my sternum is going throuhg because those pieces of shit are only a foot in diameter
i bought lvl 4 plates for 200 bucks
and they are fucking dogshit
they don't even cover half of my torso, any bullet lower than my sternum is going throuhg because those pieces of shit are only a foot in diameter
>they don't even cover half of my torso,
yup. don't worry, they make you invincible, though.
i dont feel invincible bro, why aren't they made for normal human proportions, im not a fucking dwarf
you're supposed to get emergency trauma care after getting shot anywhere but the heart and lungs, just rely on your squad's combat medic and you'll be fine 🙂
Being obese is not normal human proportions nagger
fatass
i'm 5'7" and 130lbs that's the fucked up part
how is 10x12 inches the standart for level 4 plates when it can't even cover my skinny ass
i don't feel protected bro, i want my fucking money back
>i want my fucking money back
Unless you were sold queer giraffes, then no chance, Proximo.
Rattle rattle you fucking skelenagger
>5'7" 130
turning sideways would be infinitely more effective at protecting you.
>tfw 5'11 140
If I tuck my stomach in I can RP as a holocaust survivor
Get a groin plate, side plates, and delt plates. Thigh and neck too if you’re feeling adventurous.
That's >$1,500.
Really sounds scammy tbh
>Buy this lvl 4 body armor? What was that? You want to protect more than 30% of your upper body? No worries, we also got *shit that should be there from the start* for purchase!
Your chest is worth $200. How much are your other body parts worth? Any that are less valuable than the armor that would protect them I say skip.
Buy a bigger fucking plate dipshit
Even a right sized plate isn't meant to cover your whole chest, just your vitals inside
Plates exist to stop your fucking heart, lungs and a handful of "if this gets nicked you die in five seconds" arteries from being penetrated
The rationale is that as a US soldier, if you get shot anywhere else you'll be medevacked and live
This has been massively effective btw and is a big reason the US shifted from a ratio of 3 wounded soldiers per dead soldier to about 17 over the course of 50 years
>to about 17 over the course of 50 years
Also notable in that the majority of deaths in recent wars were from IEDs, which obviously kill from an entirely different mechanism than bullets. If you count only gunshot wounds, the figure probably rises incredibly dramatically.
If you have plates and don't die immediately, getting shot is really not that big a deal from a survivability standpoint.
Why don't they cover the brain then?
A helmet is just body armor for your brain
Holy fuck... that's deep...
Depends on the caliber
Because you're too much of a pussy to do enough barbell neck curls at the gym to support the weight.
I know it wouldn't be practical, but I wonder how heavy would a full torso lvl armor be?
full torso level 4 armor
Heavier than the breastplate in that pic.
That's obvious, but just how heavy? Too heavy to stand? Too heavy to walk more than 20 feet?
>Too heavy to walk more than 20 feet
I dunno about you, but I can hold up about 200 pounds of extra weight and move around with it on favorable terrain slowly and with much exertion. could I do that and anything useful? no. but I could make it more than 20 feet.
I'd guess between 25 and 30lbs for two solid pieces if it's boron carbide, 40 if it's aluminum oxide
Sounds surprisingly manageable if you're right
The reason Armor weight is at a premium in the modern day has less to do with the armor and more to do with all the other shit you have to carry to fight as modern infantry.
If all you had to do was fight one engagement, not march a significant distance or anything else you could wear five times the amount of armor as a modern soldier easily.
So, like a SWAT team?
I guess that's where the real advantage of an exoskeleton system might come into play. If you have a device that does nothing more than add 50-100 pounds of carry capacity to your average soldier, suddenly they're wearing full body lvl4 armor and carrying twice the ammo or higher caliber weapons.
I've been thinking it over a lot lately and I think larger armor carriers may be better suited to a civvie use case than a PC. Like you said, PC's protect your vitals and assume medevac. But you may or may not get that as a rando. Rifle caliber threats aren't the only threats you'll see either and in an unrest situation you are just as likely to be shot by da bliky as an AR. Kevlar inserts will stop pistol threats. A PC doesn't help you if you are shot anywhere other than the small area of the plate by a pistol. You're also more likely to sit in place and protect your property than you are to assault an objective or run off looking for a fight so the added weight shouldn't matter as much. BALCS carriers with plates and soft armor sounds better all around.
im in
>tfw i will never get to carry an M240 again
anything is possible if you follow your dreams 🙂
>No medevac
Focus more on not getting into fair gunfights.
>BALCS carriers with plates and soft armor sounds better all around.
Given the price of plate carriers these days, you might as well have both.
But, yeah, in general I reckon the greater coverage of plates+soft vest are worth the discomfort for a civilian. Chances are that if I'm wearing armor of any sort it'll be because I'm bunkered down in my home, standing guard with a few neighbors at the end of our street or riding around in the back of some guy's truck like when the Pajeets in SA went full day of the rope in 2021. Maybe knocking on a local senator's door to explain my grievances in person. In any case, I won't be rucking long distances in the sandbox.
This, the point is the odds off you dying before the corpsman can get to you are much lower and the odds of him being able to stabilize you are much higher.
Sure it would be nice to be able to run around a warzone bouncing 308 but until exoskeletons are issued gear that isn't possible.
no shit retard. This is what high speed lo drag gear queer fag oper8tors bullshit does to a nigga
Just get another plate and hang it lower
This is not a hard concept
Idiot. They are only supposed to cover your vitals. Your fat gut is not vital. In the cowboy days people lived for days being gut shot. Thats how they all are. You're just ignorant. Just do aome more googling or watch a youtube video or three before you start bitching, saves you a lot of getting made fun of.
why arent lower dick and butt plates more popular
people don't wear armor to larp at the range for an hour, and maybe go on a hike to test their kit. they wear armor most of the day pretty much every day for extended periods of time. what seems like a minor inconvenience ends up adding a lot of weight, bulk, and discomfort. There are plenty of examples of people being issued extra armor and they end up not even wearing it because its such a pain
I wouldn't want to sit down in a trench for 30 days wearing a butt plate
It' the kind of thing that should be available in case you are doing shit where it's worth the hassle.
>sitting in a trench
Fuck the cock block
>kicking doors
If I'm the poor bastard on point I would take them
seems to be how they are used sometimes but obviously it depends on the kind of conflict you are in
yeah i can imagine that shit would kill airflow on your crotch
>There are plenty of examples of people being issued extra armor and they end up not even wearing it because its such a pain
Yeah, I don't remember what youtube video it was from, but a marine was talking about his service and how he got issued this crotch armor but never wore it and he said something like
>If you are not wearing this armor you might die, but if you are wearing this armor, you are dying every day
Because it was so incredibly uncomfortable.
>crotch armor
>Because it was so incredibly uncomfortable.
>yeah i can imagine that shit would kill airflow on your crotch
It's great when you have to lay down on the ground in the snow for a long amount of time. Keeps your dick warm and dry. Very comfy but hard to take a piss with all the layers in the winter
Paul Harrell said that about a friend or family member, but it was in the Gulf war and was talking about his armor carrier or similar, due to having to drive around their HMmv with no ac
Think it was his body armor video
>1 foot in diameter
Did you mean radius you fucking retard? Maybe your problem is you don't know shit about measurements
Nvm I misread
>skim your post
>hurl insults
>nvm
based
Based skim reader and insult thrower
best post on /k/ right now
A gentleman and a scholar
man i really hated that year-long boogboi meme fad
when the boog yeet fedboi hawaiian clacker rooma claymore nods light raid house trap meemaw igloo plates lvl4 vibe check 1776 glicky swat stack giggle switch?
Medieval armor was the same, a cuirass ends at the ribs because longer plates would prevent you from flexing and moving properly. The best way to survive gunshots is not getting hit and mobility is key for that.
Of course, medieval armor supplented plate with mail but since bullet-proof and flexible can't be done you will just have to accept getting shot.
>you will just have to accept getting shot.
Don't tell me what to do bro, you're not my mom.
Medieval armor covered a lot more than plate carriers because while a bullet to the gut in the 21st century is often survivable an arrow to the foot had a high chance of killing you over the course of months as "doctors" treated your infection with leeches.
>Of course, medieval armor supplented plate with mail
With plate skirt like in your pick.
Peascod breastplates
went much lower than waist line
Y'know if I was concocting some kind of meta counter to level four armor my answer wouldn't be something that could be rendered completely irrelevant by a 2a Kevlar flap.
>If you get shot while wearing armor you're out of the fight regardless
This is a misconception.
Modern ceramic plates are unbelievably good at both ballistic protection and kinetic energy dispersal.
When you get shot with steel plates, all of that energy is directed into you, not the plate.
When you get shot with ceramic plates, that kinetic energy disperses with the individual plates inside the armor breaking.
I've seen videos of dudes getting shot with .308, getting knocked down, then immediately getting back up.
See something like this for reference, an Italian dude did something similar.
Wouldn't plates of all kinds simply spread the force out through the whole plate face? Bullets don't knock you over when they hit plates, I doubt some even leave a mark.
NTA
in practice ceramic plates deform locally somewhat, so you do get some level of concentration of the force, just not enough to reliably cause an injury that stops you. That's why BFD standards exist, I believe in America the maximum allowed by the NIJ for soft and hard armor is 40mm? That's how deeply a plate will "bulge" into a block of clay.
In theory, you could produce substantial injuries behind the plate without penetrating it, but in practice they're very rare. Even on the extreme ends, the only recorded case of someone dying from BFD I've ever found was someone who caught a 45-70 in an old school soft vest, and when tested this produced more than 120mm of BFD.
>the only recorded case of someone dying from BFD I've ever found was someone who caught a 45-70 in an old school soft vest
got a link?
https://www.astm.org/jfs11502j.html
The whole case was a fun novelty because I'm pretty sure IIIa isn't rated to stop 45-70, at all, but the round's "fat and slow" enough that technically it did fail to penetrate and instead just drug a fist-sized clump of kevlar directly into the guy's sternum, like throwing a cannonball onto a trampoline and hearing it thud instead of bounce
>it did fail to penetrate and instead just drug a fist-sized clump of kevlar directly into the guy's sternum
Jesus.
It is only noteworthy because of how gnarly and weird it is though, in any other repeat scenario the round would have just whizzed through the kevlar and killed the guy the way any rifle round to center mass does, soft armor or not
There were ***allegedly*** cases in the old musket days of Ottomans at the right range getting shot in an overlapping part of a silk garment so that the ball only went a couple inches into them, and twisted up the shirt so much it prevented the worst of the bloodloss. ***Supposedly*** the surgeons thought this made everything a hell of a lot easier during surgery, too.
> Shooting a LEO with a 45-70
Did this person not have anything other than their big boy Henry?
Highly depends, some bullets won't penetrate for example steel armor but vibe check your internal organs so hard you wish it did.
Why does the buckshot flying at your dick look so menacing and malicious. I feel weird looking at this.
On the topic of body armor, what I find really weird is whenever I watch POV war footage, where I assume everyone is wearing body armor, the dudes ALWAYS immediately drop after a shot or two. Like I never saw footage of a dude tanking shots, like the vest wasn't doing what it's supposed to.
From the inexperienced it's emotional shock of "holy fuck I got shot"
From the hardier it's a tactical response of "holy fuck I'm getting shot, better hit the deck"
I'm sorry, I meant "drop" as in "drop dead". Just from the top of my head, a lot POV from the Russian-Ukrainian war come to mind where one sees the other, gives him 2-3 center mass shots and the dude just perishes, but I'm thinking "Ok, wasn't the armor supposed to stop this?". Surely everyone there is carrying level 4 plates, level 3 at the absolute minimum, but even those are rated for rifle rounds.
Without descending too far into /k/s yearlong shitposting obsession, it's fair to assume a lot of people in the trenches in Ukraine are NOT wearing plates of any variety.
Oh, I didn't know that, I assumed everyone was.
Sorry, I genuinely wasn't trying to shitpost or derail anything (I'm sick and tired of that whole story myself)
Ukraine is still taking armor donations, and back in 2014 had a dire announcement that their military had virtually no body armor whatsoever
Russian soldiers allegedly have super titanium alloy plates and in practice they keep finding dead Russians with pieces of steel mailboxes/tufts of cotton/stolen Macbooks in their plate pockets
None of it's extraordinary, people have this misconception that flak jackets were hypothetically used in ____ or flecktarn was floating around in ____ but in reality the US didn't commit into "No seriously, everybody in the warzone actually gets body armor" until the '90s, the rest of NATO in the '00s, and you can imagine how functionally the rest of the world still lags behind
>Surely everyone there is carrying level 4 plates
You realize a lot of Russians have cardboard, pistols-and-shrapnel armor from Chechnya, or nothing at all?
Its just armor doesn't cover everything and when people spam shots they hit around plate
i've read the same but about mongols wearing silk and arrows
oops meant for
Would you ever buy expired body armor, if it is cheaper? I'm not talking 15 years expired, 1-3 years. I'm thinking they're still perfectly 100% working after that, but maybe I'm coping.
>he believes in the "body armor expires!" scam
Lol
Kevlar doesn't expire. Neither should most rifle plate materials.
There's a grain of truth in that certain Kevlar alternatives like Twaron or Zylon turn into fucking plastic bags after five years, but they mostly only existed as a fad in the 2000s anyway (5% lighter than Kevlar for 3x the price!) so their stocks are exhausted
armor isn't for letting you stand up in a hail of gunfire you dingus, it's protecting the shit that'll kill your fastest
I made a lvl3 dangler out of a $40 italian plate for that reason.
If I were forced to assume all my enemy combatants are plated up on all sides they should be forced to assume I am aiming for both femurs. Hurr durr geneva shots below waste no maiming laws and blahblah
No fuck you. If someone is plated the killshot is their femoral artery.
Says you nigga
>geneva shots below waste no maiming laws
What?
Good luck hitting them, that's the real issue
"muh vitals"
Enjoy being shot in the gut and the wonderful sensation of acid leaking into all sorts of places it really shouldn't be.