I am a firm believer in the concept of the ar-180.

In a hypothetical world war scenario, armies will need guns they can mass produce cheaply for millions-strong conscript armies, not the current main rifles that cost thousands a pop. Not to mention gear weight, but that's another subject. When total war breaks out militaries will drop their fancy tech and downgrade very quickly to 'good enough' gear. Mark my words.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    40 hears now, any day now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2 more decades, PATRIOTS ARE IN CONTROL.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How am I able to put together an AR-15 for about $500, then? And I'm not talking about PSA, BCA, or radical firearms either.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      back when the AR-18 was new, it was cheaper to set up steel stampings than aluminum forgings. nowadays aluminum and the associated technology is cheaper. I think in a total war situation, the US may do extruded aluminum upper receivers like the PWS Pro stuff. Could get any machine shop to churn out 6061 extruded uppers and handguards at a lower cost than setting up forgings or billet aluminum would be.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but the processes are already set up to churn out cheapo AR-15's forever of good quality. This guy killed your thread btw:

        Cheaper would be making the quickest cheapest good enough polymer molds for all non bearing parts and using the core system of either the 18 or the 15. Fixed sights, simple muzzle device (if any), and cheapest and simplest producible magazines. But if you're at that point you're either being stormed or nukes/chemical/bio weapons were dropped in the modern day. Also most nations have old war stock going back almost a century now so itd have to get real nasty and close to home to pull from those if it got that bad.

        He also mentions the possibly no muzzle device but sorry there has to be about 500 million spare A2 flash hiders laying around.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The fact they exist and can easily be made is one thing, the time and material needed to machine them and attach them would be considered in a total economies situation. When you look at any rifle and think "How can I make this so disposable, inexpensive, fast to make, and with as accessible manufacturing with tooling available as possible?" thinks like threading a barrel, finishing, heat treating, and even parts interchangability go on the wayside. I'm talking about making a serviceable AR-15 for like sub $80 from scratch type stuff would be out there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Like I said, he already said: in that scenario we are entering end of the globe, mad max end game level conflict. Nukes are flying.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              In that case most fighting would be with stocks on hand, but ARs like most classic firearms can be made in a manual machine shop. Any design predating ubiquitous CNC can be done manually. Due to familiarity and existing spare parts the AR is the natural choice.

              The fact they exist and can easily be made is one thing, the time and material needed to machine them and attach them would be considered in a total economies situation. When you look at any rifle and think "How can I make this so disposable, inexpensive, fast to make, and with as accessible manufacturing with tooling available as possible?" thinks like threading a barrel, finishing, heat treating, and even parts interchangability go on the wayside. I'm talking about making a serviceable AR-15 for like sub $80 from scratch type stuff would be out there.

              For utter junk tier a Sten would do instead of an AR, or a M3 style grease gun. It doesn't take a very large industry to turn out significant volumes of weapons designed in the era of simple mills and lathes (though Browne and Sharpe mechanical screw machines are on another fricking level of machine god awesomeness than firearms). They were so good that computer retrofits are profitable but a considerable number of manual machines exist. They were absolutely fricking key to US firearms production in WWII.

              https://www.coxmanufacturing.com/brown-sharpe-screw-machines

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you give out molds to make lowers and hand guards out of recycled "good enough" polymers, make and distribute a TDP for button rifling dyes or chemical electric rifling, and are able to cheapen out on the materials for the gas tubes, saving the good steel for the barrel and BCG, you could shit out some AR-15s on the real cheap. It really depends on the common machines available around, with total wartime production who knows what mass industrial equipment would be available then.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >. I'm talking about making a serviceable AR-15 for like sub $80 from scratch
            Why do need $80 rifle while soldier would be costing you at least $80000?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              "Well, Connecticut Conscript, the Iranian Super Zigger Nazis are at our door and we need you on the lines at the Battle of Baltimore. We are really scraping here, but here, take this rifle, take these steel plates, and don't forget your water bottle, OD jumpsuit, and cheap boots. Change your footwraps, and God Bless America."

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Could get any machine shop to churn out 6061 extruded uppers and handguards at a lower cost than setting up forgings or billet aluminum would be.
        In current situation it's opposite. Every machine shop has CNC machine that can chug out receivers from billets. They are not fastest machines but there are thousands of them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There will never be another total war. The atomic bomb has assured it. Conflicts from here on out will at most be Iran-Iraq or Russo-Ukrainian war type affairs where two countries slug it out really hard until one or both sides back off and they sit down and negotiate a peace. You're not gonna see "victory or total destruction" when the nuclear power threatened with total destruction will also bring its opponent down with it.

        Countries simply will not go all-in, total war mode anymore.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. Hiram Maxim

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hiram Maxim claimed his gun would make war impossible. If you're stupid enough that you can't tell the difference between a total war and a conventional war then I would ask you to "do the needful" as your people call it and refrain from posting on Western websites from your hovel in Bangalore.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      homie how? Even with a stripped PSA lower I bought on sale I can't see how to make a competent AR for less than $1000.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A complete PSA AR for 600 bucks is still mil spec and works fine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know, I have a few PSAs and I'd trust my life to em. This time around I want something a bit higher in quality. Not Gucci, mind, just something like BCM or Aero. But that still comes in at about a grand.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            PSA Stealth lower on sale for $100
            https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-classic-stealth-lower.html

            BCM Midlength Upper (comes with BCG deal, include MLOK handguard) $592
            https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-standard-16-mid-length-upper-receiver-group/#

            Strike Industries charging Handle $32
            https://palmettostatearmory.com/strike-industries-charging-handle-for-ar-15-m-16-m4-rifles-hardcoat-anodized-black-archbk.html

            Magpul MBUS Rear Sight $56
            https://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-mbus-back-up-sight-gen-2-rear-black-mag248-blk.html

            Total: $780 before shipping, leaves you $220 left to buy ammo, mags, and an optic. Gotta shop around a bit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks man!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >buy BCM/brownells DD upper uses or new
            >put on existing PSA lower
            There, I just saved you like 300 ish dollary-doos.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    m4s are cheap as frick, if you take inflation into account a current ar is cheaper than an 18 was when it was in production

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MGSV made this gun look sexy, surely that will rip the scales

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cheaper would be making the quickest cheapest good enough polymer molds for all non bearing parts and using the core system of either the 18 or the 15. Fixed sights, simple muzzle device (if any), and cheapest and simplest producible magazines. But if you're at that point you're either being stormed or nukes/chemical/bio weapons were dropped in the modern day. Also most nations have old war stock going back almost a century now so itd have to get real nasty and close to home to pull from those if it got that bad.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The AR-18 has more small parts than the AR-15 and is more complicated, which was fine back then since it was all stamped and theoretically cheaper.
    Nowadays CNC machining and the huge AR-15 industry means that the AR-15 is easier/cheaper to produce and production is decentralized, so definitely more advantageous for wartime production. Not to mention that the initial investment into stamping machinery is high and problems are harder to iron out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True starting from scratch setting up ar18s would be better but America has some of the largest factors cranking out ar15 parts for decades it would be better to just defense act them into turn all their production to the government than setting up new shit

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ar18 is found in tons of modern weapons, just not in the original intended configuration

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want someone, anyone, to crank out some metal AR-180s. Frick, I'll take the shitty Canadian ones if they get exported.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah frick that. The military spends more money on gimmick aircraft that still doesn't fricking work right and they have to use old ass F-16s that run windows XP. If they think I'm gonna be a zogbot without the latest shit they can go frick themselves

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black person the F-16 is older than Windows XP, hell the first F-16 is older than Microsoft.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is going to blow your mind, but a modern gun like an FN SCAR, the bulk of which is an aluminum extrusion and some injection-molded plastic, does not cost anywhere near its commercial MSRP to produce. Same goes for ARs, which have the added benefit of heaps of fully amortized tooling in basically every NATO-adjacent country that still has a domestic arms industry.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are plenty of rifles based on the ar18 that are better than the ar18. You aren't gonna have commonality with that platform ever, just get 2 rifles if you think something is gonna break.

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