Hypothetical scenario: Russia nukes the fortified cities of Bakhmut, Vuhledar, Soledar and Slavyansk and others along the contact line
What happens and how does the West react? They can't do shit other than give nukes to Ukraine which will just get Kiev and the rest of the cities nuked and Ukraine will be a radiated hellscape
Everyone would laugh at Russia having to resort to nukes for capturing a few minor towns.
what if the avengers stopped the nukes
>how does the West react?
>They can't do shit other than give nukes to Ukraine which will just get Kiev and the rest of the cities nuked and Ukraine will be a radiated hellscape
They'll nuke some place in belarus the russians are using.
they'll also put an ultimatum; leave ukraine now or get more nukes.
iwishabrowould,png
Basically Stalker becomes a reality
>What happens and how does the West react?
They said earlier in the war that if that happens they would intervene with conventional force and eliminate the Russian army in Ukraine. The use of nukes would be horrifying enough for the general public as to generate support for that decision, with some pockets of fearful people being afraid of getting dragged into a nuclear war.
It's hard to say if they would actually intervene, tho. But at least that's what they said
>eliminate the Russian army in Ukraine
That's a long winded way of saying they won't do shit. There is no russian army in the ukraine, they're all in russia, defending russian soil. If the US wants to send in troops to attack russia, then russia will nuke the US into a glowing heap of rubble and be completely justified in doing so. So bring it on bitches.
Contrary to popular belief, the West doesn't consider occupied Ukraine as part of Russia just because Russia says so.
Hell, even the Russian shills can't seem to agree whether to actually treat them as Russian territory or not, otherwise they'd have to admit they lost Russian territory to Ukraine.
>West doesn't consider
Russia doesn't care what the west thinks. Russia considers them part of Russia, so if the west sends in troops Russia will defend its own.
Russia can't even defend "its own" from Ukraine. Good luck pidor.
good luck dodging the nukes, chud.
>muh noooooooks
i hope they nuke ukraine just to teach americans a lesson
they've been getting too cocky lately
I hope they nuke moscow just to show russia a lesson.
Who knows maybe Russia could finally capture Bakhmut if they do.
So why do they consider DPR troops as not part of their own army?
There was literally more media coverage of couple random dudes "invading" a village 1km from the border then losing Kherson - a Russian regional center (by your own logic). Pooding didn't utter a single word about that, not even his regular nuclear threat.
>Russia doesn't care what the west thinks
Russian opinion is irrelevant.
Simple as.
Now go become fertilizer under Bakhmut.
Then Russia will get nuked into oblivion, Pidor.
Lol I wish Biden would just say fuck it and send in troops. I wanna just see the vatniks seethe on 4chan 24/7 when they are pushed back to their border in a week
> There is no russian army in the ukraine,
I dont know if you've been living under a rock but they've been attacking ukraine for year now.
>xaxaxa is not actually Ukraine anymore is actually new part of Russi-ACK!
What a cheap bait lmao
Try to be more subble moron
They said no such thing you illiterate swine.
Only Petreus said this thing and he currently hold no military responsabilities If I'm not wrong
Us did that shit in brosaki and Anheroshima. I fail too see why anyone gives a fuck. Russia should just nuke and save countless lives in the process, just like daddy did.
That's the thing. You don't know what Biden might do. He thinks he's in the cold war. He might nuke Ukraine to make a point too.
i keked XD
don't samefag my own shitpost
why would a samefag wait ten to twenty minutes to samefag? im clearly not a samefag
in response to this it was actually me who responded to my own post to make sure no one missed my great reddit tier humor
Russia using nukes would actually make NATO invade Russia.
In the current Zeitgeist nukes only work as threat, the moment you actually use them the world decides that you are a global threat and have to be put down because no one is safe from you anymore and its no longer a regional conflict.
In other words: Dear god I hope monke is dumb enough to use nukes.
>Russia using nukes would actually make NATO invade Russia.
if by invade russia you mean immediately nuke the kremlin with B2s
Essentially this. First one to confirmed use nukes will be branded as enemy of humanity and their lands and culture will be wiped. If Russia is retarded enough you will see an immediate and unprecedented shift in global politics as the world basically fights to carve up Russia. You would hilariously see US/NATO, Chinese, Islamic terrorists, North Koreans, and probably even some kiwis on the same side as Russia will get the international Roman Proscription
China would mainly join for the land grabs.
China still has a nuclear security guarantee with Ukraine in effect - the unilateral declaration goes back to 1994. China has also never recognized any annexation, Crimea or otherwise.
Would China do nothing in the face of Russian nuclear discharge, at the risk of looking ineffectual and weak on the global stage? Maybe. But it's just as likely that they'd view it as the final straw from a "partner" whose erratic behavior just became too much of a liability.
If they resort to nukes NATO (and neutral great powers) would HAVE to respond with violence and probably nukes of their own, because the alternative is even scarier than WW3. A lawless world where you are only safe if you have nukes of your own. Every nation would have to go the north korean route (leading to ww3 anyways)
You dont nuke a nation you invaded in an offensive war, you just fucking don't.
So simply put, if nukes are indeed used it is the entire human races way of actually saying, yes, we need depopulation, and in large amounts.?
>A lawless world where you are only safe if you have nukes of your own
Are you so retarded that you don't realize we're already there since the Cold War ended in 91? Or are you probably just another Plebbit tourist?
What is a nuclear umbrella.
No one wins a nuclear war, unless it overmatches its opponent over 1000:1. If Russia starts slinging nukes at NATO members there's simply no choice, however. Russia will never be less prepared for nuclear war than when it fires the first nuke, hitting as much of its capabilities as hard and fast as possible is the only move compared to waiting for them to actually fix their dilapidated warheads and MIRV up.
>If Russia starts slinging nukes at NATO members there's simply no choice
And why do you think they would sling nukes at NATO members? Last I checked Ukraine isn't.
>What is a nuclear umbrella.
And is that something only the West have?
Also
>What is a hypersonic missile
Read bro read. The scenario in
involved Russia nuking Warsaw (or at least trying to) before NATO even considers using nuclear weapons.
>is that something only the West have?(sic)
No, I'm pretty sure Belarus is protected from western arms by Russian nuclear arms, not just the nuclear taboo. The threat of nuclear war isn't nearly as powerful as Russia would like to think it is, but it's also not zero.
>The scenario in
This. Russia NOOKING would just start a slow-roll MAD.
1. Russia nukes Bugmutt
2. NATO gives the Russian military an all-expenses paid vacation to scenic Hell.
3. Russia attempts to nuke Poland (it's the only place they could reasonably hit before counterfire)
4. Either A: the missiles are intercepted and Moscow is glassed or B: Warsaw saw war, at least until the flash, and Moscow is glassed. involved Russia nuking Warsaw
That's a retarded thought. Russia will never make a first move like that against NATO stop living in your retarded plebbit-tier fantasies
That wasn't my post, I was just responding to you. I agree that it would be deeply retarded and highly unlikely, but OP's scenario is already a plebbit tier fantasy.
Okay, go ahead and tell me what Russia's response would be to having their assets in Ukraine destroyed by a full NATO intervention?
Or are you retarded enough to think that NOOKING wouldn't elicit a NATO response?
>Or are you retarded enough to think that NOOKING wouldn't elicit a NATO response?
A NATO response means the end of this planet and unless Klaus Shwab has that planned they can't do shit
Then russia nuking ukraine means the end of the world, because there is no possible way NATO could let it slide
>because there is no possible way NATO could let it slide
Why not? Ukraine isn't a NATO member
Let me rephrase, there is no possible way the US could let it slide. If states are allowed to use nukes aggressively the world has ended. If NATO/US responds conventionally to a russian strike then russia can decide whether losing a conventional war or mutual annihilation in a nuclear one is preferable
Maybe not, but it sends the message that anywhere not CSTO or NATO MUST get nukes, or else they'll get Ukraine'd. Nuclear proliferation would become Metal Gear levels of retarded.
The nuclear taboo. It's simply unimaginable that using nukes completely unprompted in a war of territorial conquest wouldn't face a concerted military response unless the country that did it was under no form of sanctions. With Russia already under as many sanctions as the West can think of and bully others into agreeing to, the only response would be a military one. Probably not and outright invasion of Russian soil, but an powerful intervention nonetheless. I don't agree with Warsaw being nuked as a likely outcome, Russia nuking Bahkmut would be a bluff under a mistaken belief that it would intimidate the west into stopping aid and Ukraine into surrendering, neither of which would happen. The US calling their bluff would almost certainly lead to them backing off and heading directly to the negotiation table, rather than further nuclear escalation that would amount to suicide.
Based on the road the world is on, death is becoming a better answer.
Better answer than what?
If you have to ask, you’ll never know
It's really a decision between Poland and the US
>hey we just got nuked I want Russian blood
>Russian blood you say?
Also
>What is a hypersonic missile
All ICBMs? lmao
Sounds like cope. Putin can nuke and all you'll do is pussy out rationalizing it with some retarded midwit pseudologic.
>They can't do shit other than give nukes to Ukraine
Try it, see what happens.
NATO has made it explicitly clear that if Russia deploys nuclear weapons of any kind in Ukraine they will respond with a massive conventional strike aimed at removing all Russian forces from Ukraine.
NATO and the West know full well that they cannot afford to not act against unprovoked nuclear aggression, especially in Europe. Appeasement in that situation would embolden tinpot dictators with nuclear weapons to first strike their non-nuclear neighbors, which in turn will force smaller nations to procure nuclear weapons of their own for deterrent.
Nuclear nonproliferation would crumble overnight, along with the rules based liberal order the West has been maintaining for the last 80 years.
This. Russia NOOKING would just start a slow-roll MAD.
1. Russia nukes Bugmutt
2. NATO gives the Russian military an all-expenses paid vacation to scenic Hell.
3. Russia attempts to nuke Poland (it's the only place they could reasonably hit before counterfire)
4. Either A: the missiles are intercepted and Moscow is glassed or B: Warsaw saw war, at least until the flash, and Moscow is glassed.
Why do you think NATO can win a nuclear war?
>they will respond with a massive conventional strike aimed at removing all Russian forces from Ukraine.
Idk what's funnier NATO thinking they can do that or thinking this isn't going to automatically start an all out World War 3, a war they cannot even win conventionally since they gave everything they had to Ukraine let alone winning a nuclear exchange
"gave everything they had to Ukraine"
lol, lmao even
they haven't even given Ukraine FOURTH generation fighter jets that first flew in the 1970s, much less the fifth-gen stuff currently operating. And that's one example in one specific category. If NATO gave Ukraine "everything they had" to Ukraine you'd have seen videos of Ukrainians thunder-running their way to the Volga River during the counteroffensive last year. Russia can't even take out one of its former satellite nations; the rest of Europe would plow a road to Siberia within a week, and the US would cross the Bering Strait and meet them halfway just to prove a point
It's not even NATO thinking this. It's the retarded shills posting here.
Russia has lost this war and they were fighting Ukraine. Russia uses a nuke, then Russia is fighting NATO and stops existing.
West already has decided what they will do if any nukes are deployed. The only wild card is poot
>What happens
80 megatons fall on Serbia
We've been through this a thousand times before so I'll give you the abridged version
>NATO has no way of knowing what nuclear weapons russia is using until they detonate
>NATO has no way of knowing where the nukes are going to land until they detonate
>NATO has no way of knowing when Russia is going to stop firing nukes
Therefore, NATOs only possible response is a full scale nuclear counterforce strike against Russia, followed immediately by a conventional ground invasion to clean up any warheads the nukes missed.
There is no such thing as a limited nuclear exchange, any use of nuclear weapons on a modern battlefield will immediately and unavoidably escalate to a strategic exchange
its likely NATO intelligence will receive the orders to fire the nukes 2 hours before the Russian silos do, giving them some time to decide how to respond (not counting the time it will take to get those nukes ready to fire)
The west will cripple Russia with conventional strikes to make a point about using nukes. NATIONAL has said they’d destroy all forces in Ukraine but I think that is only pretext for then “defending themselves” from Russia forces over the boarder. From there? Assuming Russia doesn’t use nukes, western powers would be doing everything short of invading to force a regime change. If Russia does try to use nukes again, West will decapitate Russia brutally.
The only rational response to the use of offensive nukes is to make an example of them and it needs to be a convincing one.
The West will wipe out Russian forces in Ukraine and take over Kaliningrad and Transnistria.
Inb4 the ukies detonate a falseflag nuke in Bakhmut
Demilitarization of the Russian border under the pretext of a 'no fly zone'. Not a single NATO boot will set foot on pre-2014 Russian territory, but it'll make the air campaigns against Iraq look like training exercises. Unlike Russia, NATO has an escalation ladder that doesn't jump immediately to nooooks. Russia will instantly lose all sympathy from China and be left to its fate.
>What happens and how does the West react?
2 weeks later surprise counterforce nuclear strike against Russian nukes by US, transitioning into war of total elimination of Russian military treat.
2 years later only place where Russian language is spoken would be Hell.
They would kill every russian.
Which is a pretty good deal, including for the Russians.
The best strat from the US would be to launch a counterforce first strike before the Russians ever actually pull the trigger. Or, if the pieces are in place at all, instigate a palace coup.
Why would the US risk WW3 if Russia nukes some small town?
Because maintaining the nuclear taboo is all important. If america allows it to be broken without co sequence they would be committing national suicide
They are already imploding
Things were much worse 60 years ago
whatever you say bud
>I don't ever leave my basement or put on
clean clothes every day, but 4chan said that America is imploding so it must be true.
It would be quite possibly very bad
I suspect it would involve war because of the implications as to the irrationality of Russian leadership
>What happens and how does the West react
Total commitment first strike against Russian nuclear arsenal, triad and forces, sadly for the Russian population their leads placed s lot of that like military ports airbases, depots and command and control near population centres. Conventional forces would also be used for example against strategic bombers and Russian missile subs. I don't think a place or people called 'russian' would survive. Putin was warned clearly.
Getting fucked by everyone, including China. The moment that happens they'll probably annex Vladivostok and the whole part Russia took from them during their "Century of Humiliation". The moment you become an irrational actor is the point you lose all your friends. In essence it would be suicide, that could lead to worse things assuming they still have proper nuclear capability and those nukes are actually not capable anymore due to piss poor mainteance.
Air interdiction over ukraine and bombing campaign (russian armed forces in ukraine destroyed in two weeks by the mutated remnant of the ukrainian army)
More settings for Stalker games.
Russian forces in Ukraine would become a target for NATO strikes and the 100,000~ U.S. troops in Europe would increase and begin moving into Ukraine. If they get nuked, it's World War III.
Russia would cease to exist.
If one nation uses nukes in a war of aggression and survives then everyone needs to get nukes. Nobody could blame Iran, Taiwan, Vietnam and many other countries to get nuclear weapons if they are used as a legitimate means of conquest. Every nation on earth would be in an instant and endless nuclear arms race.
The only solution is to destroy Russia so thoroughly that every nation on earth feels like they are already unnukeable.
>completely wipe a country off the face of the Earth so everyone feels safe
Russia ceasing to exist is certainly going to make the world a better place, but that's a really funny concept.
>What happens and how does the West react?
Sternly worded letter and new sanctions
Russia will probably end up nuking itself when there's some civil unrest and they don't have the hardware and manpower to surpress it.
Russia gets intervened against in Ukraine with land forces and a no fly zone.
Then if Russia keeps escalating, counterforce nuclear launch + invasion of Russia.
Given the state of the Russian nuclear arsenal a favorable outcome might have a few million casualties instead of tens/hundreds.
It's already effectively a nofly zone though anon.
A no-fly zone is just a euphamism for complete SEAD and destruction of all aircraft anywhere near the front.
>Russia nukes the fortified cities of Bakhmut, Vuhledar, Soledar
Why would they nuke cities they already own
>fortified cities of Bakhmut, Vuhledar, Soledar and Slavyansk
Half of these "cities" had pre war population of 10 000.
it would be like the US having to nuke Juarez, it's embarrassing and retarded by every measure
Stop deadnaming Kyiv.
인류의 총 핵 대학살
Less than hypothetical scenario: Fuck around and find out, gays.
Levels of white anger:
>Hey there buddy
>Woah there pal
>What's your problem?
>Cool it, partner!
>Activate protocols for DEFCON 1 nuclear response
I believe this has been discussed one tactical nuke would result in NATO destroying all Russian forces in the recognized territory of Ukraine. A second nuke would basically result in the targeting of all Russian forces.
Realistic answer is that the west and friends come together and collectively impose sanctions on whoever is giving Russia a lifeline until Russia becomes a much larger North Korea, completely isolated from global trade and then we continue to let them attrit themselves to death in Ukraine while their economy implodes.
Nah, it would be NATO air campaigns inside Ukraine the very least.
It was already a close call when russia was indiscriminately bombing civilians in Mariupol.
Russia renders huge swaths of it's supposedly important brother ukraine nuke zones for a few years.
In the meantime every single nation bordering russia rill buy, steal or produce their own nuclear weapons because it's clear that ANY confrontation with russia is nuclear by default and existential by default. Russia becomes locked in and turns into big North Korea and loses all global relevancy.
The world will be shocked for the first few days, who know how the NATO will react, maybe a strike, boots on the ground, etc but even chinks will tell the russians to fuck off and die, nobody will back them anymore.
The most brutal thing to do and show the World nukes are a no-no, is to kill every soldier and destroy every russian tech in Ukraine and Belarus, then issue an ultimatum, use more nukes and we glass you.
Nukes are a red line, nobody will cross it, not even China man or the fat fuck from North Korea. Putin is a retard, but he won't use nukes, he know that will mean the end of Russia as he know it and his reign