A picture of some sort of important item upon physical inspection (After the cope cage failed to intercept a homemade explosive microwave) appears to be a hollow box that gives the impression in photographs of being some kind of important equipment.
A modern 1PN96MT-02 sight with a thermal imaging channel and a laser rangefinder, which will allow the tank gunner to detect targets at a distance of up to 3000 meters
Stay mad? Naa I think we'll just keep laughing at the new lows of pathetic cope Russia keeps having to resort too in a desperate attempt to maintain their image as the second greatest military in the world.
>Put a scarce thermal imaging sight >On a fricking t62
Good grief, if they have the tools and resources to rebuild t62 why they are not doing the same to t72A/B's, there were suppsed to be 12k sitting in yards around russia even if they were plundered of everything usable at least the tanks will be more useful.
That pic is the physical embodiment of "lipstick on a pig"
At this point, I'm willing to believe those hulks are stripped to the point of being unsalvagable and/or the tooling needed to remanufacture them is gone.
While it is not impossible that they just get off on humiliating themselves, this seems to be the best they can do now.
Why else would they be wasting man-hours and production space?
The thing is the tech divide between a late t62 and a t72A are not that big and you can crew them with three guys, guys who have been trained on them all this time, not until the late 70's, and share the gun ammo with the rest of your tank forces.
I would like to really know why they are wasting resources on this, if they can do it with a 62 the should be able to do it with the 72's.
T-72 was a sales success. T-62 wasn't. WHich means one of them will have a shitload of components and spare parts sold off on the black market over the decades, while the other won't.
Pretend I'm a complete idiot and please explain to me what I'm looking at and why it spells disaster for western society.
During russian military exercise, covering by state TV for propaganda uses, it was showed 50 years old tanks with modern thermovision sights for gunner - probably 1PN96MT-02
a tank that was designed in the late 50s with a thermal sight and a couple egg-carton era blocks slapped on it. majority of the ammo being issued are steel dart rounds manufactured in the early 70s and can only penetrate about 220mm RHA at 500m 90 degrees.
far less capable than all the T72B3, T80, T90, russia has already lost so they are totally gonna be so useful and help russia win.
>kontakt 1
damn, they might as well shoot them in the head and be done with it. If you're going to pull ancient tanks from reserve with shit tier armor, you might as well add the ERA you claim will help defeat older penetrators.
>Steal from Reddit >Stealing a post some Redditor pulled from a twitter thread
Go back.
As hilarious as it is that Russia is now having to replace its losses with antique tanks, it’s simultaneously sick as frick to see old ass tanks upgraded with “new” hardware.
I WANT to see the T-34/85 with ERA and thermals
Russia and Ukraine have armored repair plants they send their equipment to before they bring them back into the field. All of the T-64BM bulats you see in Ukrainian service now are refurbished hulls they took out of storage from the Kiev repair plants grounds or from Kharkov. All of those satellite images you see of just rusted out abandoned equipment left out in fields, well the vehicles in them are still perfectly exploitable. The Russians have 8 big plants for vehicle modernization and restoration, and the Ukrainians had a few big ones themselves before they got bombed (they're still restoring and re-building IFV's covertly).
I'll believe this is being mass produced when I see T-62M with thermal sights abandoned in Ukraine. Until then these photos are just for show
Doesn't matter how much they modernize them, the fact that they NEED to modernise shit thats ~60 years old is embarrassing
This is just a wartime materiel mobilization measure that's happening parallel to the massive orders that other repair plants are undertaking. Russia isn't just modernizing the T-62, It's also modernizing the BMP-1 and BTR-80 with 30mm modules, and the T-72 plus T-80 tanks with Kontakt 5 and thermals. Also the BMP-2's are coming out with Berezhok modules.
As hilarious as it is that Russia is now having to replace its losses with antique tanks, it’s simultaneously sick as frick to see old ass tanks upgraded with “new” hardware.
Funnily enough media showing LDR and DPR troops fell off right around the time one of their units posted videos calling out russia for using them like cannon fodder and basically refusing to do any more than fight "defensively" in their own territories. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though and that those units leaders didn't get rolled into a ditch and their men reassigned new ones from russia :^)
When the LDR and DRP start to getting rowdy, Lugansk and Donestk are inmediately shelled by "ukranian artillery" for no reason whatsoever...
That makes you wonder.
That's why it doesn't matter to Russia who can afford to lose millions of ethnics and poors because they're not moskals who matter.
It's doing everyone a favor because if Russia has no use for you, you're truly worthless. Dunno how the separatist survivors feel about that but that problem gets smaller every day.
M900 can at least beat T-72As frontally and T-72Bs from a relatively generous side angle
but with the CITV, it would dab over any T-72 with a first strike advantage and hull-down
Nah, give them upgraded Pattons since they're known to absolutely mog T-72s and 64s back when those tanks were seen as something to fear
the M60A3 SLEP is supposed to put the M60 on par with the M1A1 in capability in every department except armor
loader-assisted 120mm cannon can fire 6 RPM, has thermals for both gunner and commander, an improved engine that isnt beat up over 40 years of service, and RWS with a .50 replacing the original gun-turret cupola
as long as it gets the first shot off, and with thermals it just might, it can take out pretty much any russian tank
>the M60A3 SLEP is supposed to put the M60 on par with the M1A1 in capability in every department
except for crew survivability, optics, mobility
The original M1A1 would be obsolete today as it lacks a CITV, has an ancient armor package and much worse sights
Black person this isn't wargame, you can't just put cage armor and composites + new electronics on an M60 and pretend it's to par with anything other than the very first block of Abrams
because even the US Army has to sit down some times and Say "how much is this costing again?"
which is why perfectly functional Ma Duece is still thrown on everything, fricker probably costs less than than the bolts used to mount it to the frame.
Ah Dave Decker, I remember him, he did a 2nd tour in Vietnam as a loach door gunner because he wanted to fly. He died around 2000 from cancer caused by exposure to Agent Orange.
Body made of aluminium instead of balsa wood and string?
An engine with more than 80hp?
Mini-missiles strapped between the wings?
The coolest thing we could possibly do is turn them into drones and start having dogfights with them. But that's far too expensive for Russia's current budget of frick all, so we'll probably have to rule that option out.
>russians fly their entire fleet of AN2s into Kiev >air defense just thinks its a flock of birds since they have a top speed of 40mph >one billion russian paratroopers run a train on zelensky
congratulations PUCCIA
you did what the west did in the 80s to its old MBTs only 35 years later and not because you could, but because you fricking have to
>Uh, T-62 is bad because... It just is ok?!
The autoloader itself isn't the problem, it's the poor crew survivability. That's even worse with the T-62 because the ammo stowage is pretty much wherever you can chuck a spare round and the crew are crammed in like sardines. Any penetrating hit will roast the crew even if they aren't sent into the stratosphere.
Read the post I replied to, I was saying the autoloader isn't the problem for the T-72. The big problem is crew survivability which is even worse in the 62
>The autoloader itself isn't the problem, it's the poor crew survivability.
You are completely making up shit, the T-62 does not have an autoloader, and it has full metal cartridges, which means that they wont get ignited from molten metal spray from a shaped charge penetration.
They would have been better off adapting the external camera system the DPRK uses on the Pokpung-ho so they could actually see stuff outside the tank. Of course they should adopt the everything from that tank but the cameras would be a good and cheap first step.
Is Russia actually a looter-shooter state? What could be more looter-shooter than scrapping the large, relatively modern Soviet arms build-up for spare parts, and then having to scrounge around in warehouses abandoned by the USSR thirty years ago for only the most barely-functioning things you have left? Third world countries must be shaking and crying right now, they're literally watching the Russians cannibalize everything they can afford. Ukraine probably fields the largest, most-advanced fleet of legacy-Soviet equipment now between its T-80UD's, the upgraded T-64's, and the upgraded T-72's they're starting to field. I hope they get Kharkov tank plant up and running again after the war, it would be kino to see the T-80 line continue to survive.
I mean, if they fielded them with the pimped out 18th Century uniforms, I most certainly wouldn't complain. You might as well drip and die instead of just dying dressed as an extra playing a random mook in a B-Movie.
My dad told me stories about them when he worked as an army mechanic after being conscripted. They don’t have heaters and all the heat from the engine just escapes out, they sometimes had a sleeve that should’ve been used to heat the inside of the tank, but those were always lost or misplaced. So many crews would suffer frostbite after having to go out on simple training missions. The feet and the face of the gunner or driver were the first to be effected. Because the feet touch the metal floor at all time and you have to put your face against the optics to use them which were very cold at all times.
I mean, it's still just a T-62. It's nice that the poor bastards crewing the thing aren't stuck with the export model anymore, but it's certainly no T-64.
Do the upgrades improve abandoonment speed? When will we see ejection capsules like on F-111 instead of just tossing turrets and crew (who do bounce amusingly)?
Russian vehicles need to solve the egress problem. Removal of hatches, doors and turrets in advance would save not just steel but expensive Ladas.
what am I looking at
A gunner thermal sight.
Russia is so strong, they've almost caught up to North Korea's last generation of tanks.
A picture of some sort of important item upon physical inspection (After the cope cage failed to intercept a homemade explosive microwave) appears to be a hollow box that gives the impression in photographs of being some kind of important equipment.
A modern 1PN96MT-02 sight with a thermal imaging channel and a laser rangefinder, which will allow the tank gunner to detect targets at a distance of up to 3000 meters
So hyper-advanced bleeding edge tech from 1985?
T-62 has finally reached the level of AMX-30B2
The T-62 first entered service in 1961. So updating them to 1985 tech is a huge leap forward. Stay mad r/ukraine reddit cuck.
Too bad the west is using shit from 2022. Maybe the gloves would finally be removed if russhit could actually keep up.
Stay mad? Naa I think we'll just keep laughing at the new lows of pathetic cope Russia keeps having to resort too in a desperate attempt to maintain their image as the second greatest military in the world.
>which will allow the tank gunner to detect targets at a distance of up to 3000 meters
Like drones dropping nades?
>Put a scarce thermal imaging sight
>On a fricking t62
Good grief, if they have the tools and resources to rebuild t62 why they are not doing the same to t72A/B's, there were suppsed to be 12k sitting in yards around russia even if they were plundered of everything usable at least the tanks will be more useful.
That pic is the physical embodiment of "lipstick on a pig"
At this point, I'm willing to believe those hulks are stripped to the point of being unsalvagable and/or the tooling needed to remanufacture them is gone.
While it is not impossible that they just get off on humiliating themselves, this seems to be the best they can do now.
Why else would they be wasting man-hours and production space?
They would never spend that many resources on a T-62 if they could use them on something better.
The thing is the tech divide between a late t62 and a t72A are not that big and you can crew them with three guys, guys who have been trained on them all this time, not until the late 70's, and share the gun ammo with the rest of your tank forces.
I would like to really know why they are wasting resources on this, if they can do it with a 62 the should be able to do it with the 72's.
T-72 was a sales success. T-62 wasn't. WHich means one of them will have a shitload of components and spare parts sold off on the black market over the decades, while the other won't.
During russian military exercise, covering by state TV for propaganda uses, it was showed 50 years old tanks with modern thermovision sights for gunner - probably 1PN96MT-02
stage light
A tank to finally match the most advanced wunderwaffe in HATO's arsenal, the M60A3 TTS.
TV parade, proving every mobile gets not just sausage, children's gloves and a paintball mask, but also thermals and a t64
Pretend I'm a complete idiot and please explain to me what I'm looking at and why it spells disaster for western society.
a tank that was designed in the late 50s with a thermal sight and a couple egg-carton era blocks slapped on it. majority of the ammo being issued are steel dart rounds manufactured in the early 70s and can only penetrate about 220mm RHA at 500m 90 degrees.
far less capable than all the T72B3, T80, T90, russia has already lost so they are totally gonna be so useful and help russia win.
So is anyone going to ask for source so we can get date and location? And if there is more than just the 1?
If you're going to steal from Reddit, at least post the whole thing.
>kontakt 1
damn, they might as well shoot them in the head and be done with it. If you're going to pull ancient tanks from reserve with shit tier armor, you might as well add the ERA you claim will help defeat older penetrators.
>Steal from Reddit
>Stealing a post some Redditor pulled from a twitter thread
Go back.
Russia and Ukraine have armored repair plants they send their equipment to before they bring them back into the field. All of the T-64BM bulats you see in Ukrainian service now are refurbished hulls they took out of storage from the Kiev repair plants grounds or from Kharkov. All of those satellite images you see of just rusted out abandoned equipment left out in fields, well the vehicles in them are still perfectly exploitable. The Russians have 8 big plants for vehicle modernization and restoration, and the Ukrainians had a few big ones themselves before they got bombed (they're still restoring and re-building IFV's covertly).
This is just a wartime materiel mobilization measure that's happening parallel to the massive orders that other repair plants are undertaking. Russia isn't just modernizing the T-62, It's also modernizing the BMP-1 and BTR-80 with 30mm modules, and the T-72 plus T-80 tanks with Kontakt 5 and thermals. Also the BMP-2's are coming out with Berezhok modules.
Do you have any numbers for expected equipment delivers?
The story for the T-62s are 800 over 3 years, as referenced
Don't know about others. But I have seen a BMP-1 with the 30mm turret and it looks sick.
Yes it will smash all the Leopard 1s and Centurions.
Well apart from those that also have thermal sights.
Congratulations on reaching 1985.
Age is no object to the abandoooner
As hilarious as it is that Russia is now having to replace its losses with antique tanks, it’s simultaneously sick as frick to see old ass tanks upgraded with “new” hardware.
I WANT to see the T-34/85 with ERA and thermals
Unless they're time travelling then it's going to be worse in almost every respect that modern systems even with upgrades.
Would be worth it to see a T-34 with a 100mm gun fighting with an M4 hyper sherman armed with a 105mm L7
It isn't even Russian military using these shitty tanks. They are lpr and dnpr volunteers.
Still spouting this bullshit I see.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russian-military-lost-t-62m-and-t-62mv-tanks-in-kherson-region/
>anti-cumulative screens
>anti-cum screens
>They are lpr and dnpr volunteers.
Stop lying.
On that subject, it feels like I haven't heard them mentioned much in reports recently. Have they ACTUALLY killed all the men by now?
Funnily enough media showing LDR and DPR troops fell off right around the time one of their units posted videos calling out russia for using them like cannon fodder and basically refusing to do any more than fight "defensively" in their own territories. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though and that those units leaders didn't get rolled into a ditch and their men reassigned new ones from russia :^)
When the LDR and DRP start to getting rowdy, Lugansk and Donestk are inmediately shelled by "ukranian artillery" for no reason whatsoever...
That makes you wonder.
There is no lpr or dnpr anymore, they "voted" to become a part of russia remember? This makes them russian forces.
nyet, annexation has been of on hold until 2026.
>lpr and dnpr
>volunteers
""""volunteers""""
That's why it doesn't matter to Russia who can afford to lose millions of ethnics and poors because they're not moskals who matter.
It's doing everyone a favor because if Russia has no use for you, you're truly worthless. Dunno how the separatist survivors feel about that but that problem gets smaller every day.
>They are lpr and dnpr volunteers.
Donbassers are conscripts, Russians are volunteers (sort of up until partial mobilisation).
>I WANT to see the T-34/85 with ERA and thermals
I'll believe this is being mass produced when I see T-62M with thermal sights abandoned in Ukraine. Until then these photos are just for show
Doesn't matter how much they modernize them, the fact that they NEED to modernise shit thats ~60 years old is embarrassing
20,000 T-72s in Kyiv by February, 2023.
And they'll all be driven by Ukrainians.
absolutely BASED tanked abandoner anon
doing God's work
It's armor would be such dogshit. Bet it could still kill Russians though.
M900 can at least beat T-72As frontally and T-72Bs from a relatively generous side angle
but with the CITV, it would dab over any T-72 with a first strike advantage and hull-down
the M60A3 SLEP is supposed to put the M60 on par with the M1A1 in capability in every department except armor
loader-assisted 120mm cannon can fire 6 RPM, has thermals for both gunner and commander, an improved engine that isnt beat up over 40 years of service, and RWS with a .50 replacing the original gun-turret cupola
as long as it gets the first shot off, and with thermals it just might, it can take out pretty much any russian tank
>the M60A3 SLEP is supposed to put the M60 on par with the M1A1 in capability in every department
except for crew survivability, optics, mobility
The original M1A1 would be obsolete today as it lacks a CITV, has an ancient armor package and much worse sights
>optics, mobility
its been updated with modern FCS and gunners thermals
mobility is improved with a new suspension and improved 950hp engine
this would definitely have no problem dealing with T-72Bs or even B3s
Black person this isn't wargame, you can't just put cage armor and composites + new electronics on an M60 and pretend it's to par with anything other than the very first block of Abrams
based and SUSK pilled, this is now a Sherman upgrade thread
Nah, give them upgraded Pattons since they're known to absolutely mog T-72s and 64s back when those tanks were seen as something to fear
I want see hundreds of picrel decimating snowBlack folk.
why was the minigun confiscated?
also, why not use miniguns instead of m2 on tanks?
Because the logi guys hate fun.
because even the US Army has to sit down some times and Say "how much is this costing again?"
which is why perfectly functional Ma Duece is still thrown on everything, fricker probably costs less than than the bolts used to mount it to the frame.
Ah Dave Decker, I remember him, he did a 2nd tour in Vietnam as a loach door gunner because he wanted to fly. He died around 2000 from cancer caused by exposure to Agent Orange.
Looks like a tank from metal slug
Let me guess, you 'need' more?
Just two more weeks huh Ivan?
waiting for russia to modernize their bi-planes next.
How would one go about modernising a bi-plane?
Body made of aluminium instead of balsa wood and string?
An engine with more than 80hp?
Mini-missiles strapped between the wings?
The coolest thing we could possibly do is turn them into drones and start having dogfights with them. But that's far too expensive for Russia's current budget of frick all, so we'll probably have to rule that option out.
>russians fly their entire fleet of AN2s into Kiev
>air defense just thinks its a flock of birds since they have a top speed of 40mph
>one billion russian paratroopers run a train on zelensky
>intercepted with surplus M45 quadmounts
>modernize their T-62s
a modernization would be giving the tank COMMANDERS thermals alongside gunners thermals
congratulations PUCCIA
you did what the west did in the 80s to its old MBTs only 35 years later and not because you could, but because you fricking have to
At this point, any Warsaw Pact nation of the 1970s-80s is better armed than the Russian Federation of 2022.
Why send more tanks when they've lost so many already?
You can't into defense / offense without tanks.
Seems wasteful at this point
At this stage the entire war is sunk cost, but monke doesn't care because he doesn't want to be Ghadaffi'd.
>ABRAPS GOOD MUH MANUAL LOADER!! MUH AMMO DOOR!!!
>Uh, T-62 is bad because... It just is ok?!
>Uh, T-62 is bad because... It just is ok?!
The autoloader itself isn't the problem, it's the poor crew survivability. That's even worse with the T-62 because the ammo stowage is pretty much wherever you can chuck a spare round and the crew are crammed in like sardines. Any penetrating hit will roast the crew even if they aren't sent into the stratosphere.
ITT: morons who don't know that the T-62 doesn't have a autoloader
Read the post I replied to, I was saying the autoloader isn't the problem for the T-72. The big problem is crew survivability which is even worse in the 62
First guy does specify that T-62 doesn't have one, but it's evne worse because the ammo is stacked fricking everywhere.
That can be fixed but it requires a reworked turret with a bustle and Russia is already paying Kim through the nose for functional 115mm AP.
>The autoloader itself isn't the problem, it's the poor crew survivability.
You are completely making up shit, the T-62 does not have an autoloader, and it has full metal cartridges, which means that they wont get ignited from molten metal spray from a shaped charge penetration.
>moron has no idea about the ammo layout of a T62
dunning kruger's finest right here
Tank is tank cyka! Get in in tank!
They would have been better off adapting the external camera system the DPRK uses on the Pokpung-ho so they could actually see stuff outside the tank. Of course they should adopt the everything from that tank but the cameras would be a good and cheap first step.
Is Russia actually a looter-shooter state? What could be more looter-shooter than scrapping the large, relatively modern Soviet arms build-up for spare parts, and then having to scrounge around in warehouses abandoned by the USSR thirty years ago for only the most barely-functioning things you have left? Third world countries must be shaking and crying right now, they're literally watching the Russians cannibalize everything they can afford. Ukraine probably fields the largest, most-advanced fleet of legacy-Soviet equipment now between its T-80UD's, the upgraded T-64's, and the upgraded T-72's they're starting to field. I hope they get Kharkov tank plant up and running again after the war, it would be kino to see the T-80 line continue to survive.
Just you wait until they deploy the mechs they've been building out of all those washing machines and fire engines
That's a late 90's upgrade.
At this point Russians would find a way to brag about deploying musket equipped line infantry
I mean, if they fielded them with the pimped out 18th Century uniforms, I most certainly wouldn't complain. You might as well drip and die instead of just dying dressed as an extra playing a random mook in a B-Movie.
If the Russians show up in 18th-19th centaury uniforms and weapons, we're doing the same, grabbing France and invading Crimea again.
My dad told me stories about them when he worked as an army mechanic after being conscripted. They don’t have heaters and all the heat from the engine just escapes out, they sometimes had a sleeve that should’ve been used to heat the inside of the tank, but those were always lost or misplaced. So many crews would suffer frostbite after having to go out on simple training missions. The feet and the face of the gunner or driver were the first to be effected. Because the feet touch the metal floor at all time and you have to put your face against the optics to use them which were very cold at all times.
Russian? Was he raped?
Just once, and he beat the guy who did it nearly to death and got kicked out instead of being charged.
Hot
>Russian
No.
I mean, it's still just a T-62. It's nice that the poor bastards crewing the thing aren't stuck with the export model anymore, but it's certainly no T-64.
ukrainan "upgrade"
>your modernized T-62, sir
Do the upgrades improve abandoonment speed? When will we see ejection capsules like on F-111 instead of just tossing turrets and crew (who do bounce amusingly)?
Russian vehicles need to solve the egress problem. Removal of hatches, doors and turrets in advance would save not just steel but expensive Ladas.
imagine the smell