H&R ?

Are these gtg or are they psa jank?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.
    Iirc their retro stuff is Nodak Spud after psa bought it out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've never been into retro stuff, how would you describe Nodak Spud quality? Is PSA simply using their name on psa facility produced items?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've never seen anyone complain about nodak spud stuff. I assume PSA is making it in South Carolina (palmetto state) instead of North Dakota (NoDak) using Nodak Spud's tdp.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I assume PSA is making it in South Carolina (palmetto state) instead of North Dakota (NoDak) using Nodak Spud's tdp.
          So it's psa jank with a different roll mark. Got it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So it's psa jank with a different roll mark

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I dislike PSA. That said, all of the H&R shit that PSA sells goes through one of the guys who used to work for Nodak Spud, and their shit was very high quality. I understand words are hard for some anons ITT, namely and

            It's PSA junk with a rollmark designed to get boomers' panties wet

            , but it is not the same production lines as regular PSA shit.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Do you have a reason to dislike PSA besides being a contrarian?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but they make subpar, civilian firearms that are not milspec, don't go through milspec QC, testing, or requirements.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, 3 out of the last 4 PSA rifles I've touched were fricked up in ways that even a 30 second look-over would've probably managed to catch. Canted front sight posts, loose or extremely tight safeties, over/under torqued barrels, you name it, all common with PSA.
                >nooo you have to heckin' like my BRAND! you're a contrarian!
                You're a massive homosexual, stop licking corporate heel.

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                >we kept it shitty and unfinished because... its more authentic that way bro just fricking buy it for this marked up price too

                You're a gay for wasting your life posting bait on PrepHole, I hope for your sake you're at least drunk or already decided you're going to have a nice day.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >over/under torqued barrels
                how do you check for that?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                With a torque wrench

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What rpoblems does it cause if its overtorqued or undertorqued?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Undertorqued is generally not safe, depends on whats under torqued exactly. But as you can imagine, under torqued parts can come loose.

                Over torqued isn't unsafe but means its a b***h if you ever have to take it apart. If its over torqued too much it can damage the components.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How the hell can a company get such a crucial part of basic AR-15 making wrong?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                tbh I'm not sure. Should be as simple as installing with a torque wrench that's been set properly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Same way Anderson manages to frick up lowers. The TDP isn’t hard to find, but following it costs money and extra steps. When your target market is people who can’t save another few hundred dollars for something to be done right, you can cut corners and get away with it because odds are that they’ll never shoot enough for the problems to reveal themselves.
                Same thing with staking a castle nut. It takes thirty seconds to stake it in two places, yet you have companies and home builders skipping it all of the time to save time, money, effort, etc

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The torque spec for an ar15 barrel nut is ridiculously wide - like between 30 and 80ft lbs. You don't even need a torque wrench to hit that, just go hand tight + a little bit. It's better to be on the loose end than the tight end.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are unironically fricking moronic

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        tl;dr: it's one of the two guys behind Nodak Spud (they made the best stuff ever) making stuff that satisfies his autism in a PSA facility
        the other guy retired
        it's not going to be immune to PSA problems but he'll get you fixed

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's kind of an offshoot of PSA run by the owner of Nodak Spud (Mike). I like my pre-built H&R lower. Never had an issue with it, looks nice. Close to the color of Colt's old stuff. Lighter, though. Trigger is good.

          >it's one of the two guys behind Nodak Spud (they made the best stuff ever) making stuff that satisfies his autism in a PSA facility
          Pretty much this; just look at his arfcom thread and what he was showing off at ShotShow. Early M16 stuff and stuff like Colt DOE carbines. You want retro builds? He's probably going to make everything you'll need.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've never seen anyone complain about nodak spud stuff. I assume PSA is making it in South Carolina (palmetto state) instead of North Dakota (NoDak) using Nodak Spud's tdp.

        Magically they will suddenly be shit tier now that PSA owns them and no one will be able to show you any examples or tell you why

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I never get why people hate PSA so hard then never mention some of the atrocities from other companies like delton and ati.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    psa lowers:

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >KAC fart huffer

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Milspec is milspec, it literally comes down to paying more for a stick cat roll mark.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Milspec is milspec
      lmao no it is not. A company can very easily, legally, say milspec and cut A LOT of corners. It is very nearly a useless term.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >lmao no it is not. A company can very easily, legally, say milspec and cut A LOT of corners. It is very nearly a useless term.

        Do you know how many forges make uppers and lowers? They are all the same shit unless you get some polymer shit.

        Have you EVER seen a LOWER or UPPER receiver fail in any way?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I see PSA receivers standing at the stop sign in front of walmart holding cardboard all the time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The forge isn't necessarily where the finish machining is done. Fricking noob.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I have an out of spec Anderson lower, every other lower I own works fine on every other upper I own. The Anderson lower caused bolt over base malfunctions in certain magazines. Odd phenomenon, no on on /arg/ has been able to properly diagnose the specific concern. But swapping to a different Anderson lower from a different batch fixed my issue.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have a receiver yet and a few random small parts from them, it's been good quality that I've seen.

      >Milspec is milspec
      That's not the point. H&R makes weird retro shit, specific lowers markings yes, but things like receiver forge lines, partial/no fencing, gray anodizing, etc.

      >I assume PSA is making it in South Carolina (palmetto state) instead of North Dakota (NoDak) using Nodak Spud's tdp.
      So it's psa jank with a different roll mark. Got it.

      They are owned by PSA but are a separate company within. You can talk to the owner on arfcom.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        off that's a nasty line, what upper is that? IS that shit normal?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, that's a forging flash
          the originals from the 60s didn't have it shaved off and the retro reproductions don't have it shaved off either on purpose

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Only non-Colt M16s had the forging flash. It may correct for a H&R M16 but it'd be incorrect if you're building anything other than a strict H&R M16A1

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            SP1s don't have that. And I'm pretty sure original M16 uppers niether.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              H&R manufactured M16's for Vietnam at the time, which had the forge flashing. GM hydramatic lowers did as well, idk about their uppers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wanna provide some pictures as your profff?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >proooooof proooof? Proofffff???
                frick of back to r*ddit is my proof
                https://smallarmsreview.com/forgotten-m16a1-rifle-manufacturers-gm-hydra-matic-and-harrington-richardson/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wanna provide some pictures as your profff?

                https://i.imgur.com/8WkIULf.jpg

                >proooooof proooof? Proofffff???
                frick of back to r*ddit is my proof
                https://smallarmsreview.com/forgotten-m16a1-rifle-manufacturers-gm-hydra-matic-and-harrington-richardson/

                The anodizing under the park is goldish too. There is a guy that makes really nice GM lowers and used to make H&Rs. Just expensive.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >IS that shit normal?
          Not for modern AR-15's but for "retro" lowers it is. Just how they used to make them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        off that's a nasty line, what upper is that? IS that shit normal?

        yeah, that's a forging flash
        the originals from the 60s didn't have it shaved off and the retro reproductions don't have it shaved off either on purpose

        https://i.imgur.com/3JPnlxx.jpg

        >IS that shit normal?
        Not for modern AR-15's but for "retro" lowers it is. Just how they used to make them

        >we kept it shitty and unfinished because... its more authentic that way bro just fricking buy it for this marked up price too

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're genuinely moronic. I'm so sorry.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so its jank?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just don't drop it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you can fix that easily
      you are telling of the society at large by being a man wielding firearms with no basic tools to bend metal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >my fighting rifle grade upper has a purely aesthetic dent that doesn't affect the actual use of the carry handle or rear sight
      skill issue

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is it made out of period authentic 6061 aluminum? 7075 would probably fare better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I thought this was one of those rubber duckies from the thumbnail.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Only have experience with their complete retro uppers, and they’re pretty great quality.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's PSA junk with a rollmark designed to get boomers' panties wet

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the A1 lowers and A1 uppers are new, PSA never had that before

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cool, now do Hydromatic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure GM will let them use an active trademark.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yeah ive got 2 of their lowers, lot better than brownells imo. also one of their lpks, works well

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Psa junk, I had high hopes with the ex nodak guy but psa is doing their normal cut all the corners shit

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i got a complete 604, and i dont have much experience with ar15s, so i'm not aware of any potential nuanced shit, but the lower and upper do wobble a lot
    otherwise it seems great to me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is that whole rifle H&R ? Looks to nice to be one. H&R rifles usually look like gray chinese pot-metal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i swapped out the bolt and flash hider, and got new mags (the one it came with had palmetto mark) otherwise all stock H&R

        the gray finish did look oddly blue when i first got it but i buffed it out with some steel wool which made it look a lot better

        difficult to pick up just how blue it was on camera, but pic rel is before i messed with it

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do H&R still use the same tooling and machines from 60s?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    H&R AR-10s when?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's about time..
      Althoguh it they do pic related I'll literally cream myself

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He doesn't know

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh I know they teased it but they're only thinking about it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >H&R considers this and wood M16A1s profitable enough to make or consider making
            >mike from nodak was insistent the colt 605 will never be profitable enough to consider making

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              nobody's ever going to make an SBR 605 until the NFA goes away and the letters SBR no longer have any meaning that anybody cares about

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just make it in 16 inches like del ton and Anderson but with actually good quality

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lolwut
    are people actually paying 160+tip for a stripped lower?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Iirc their more expensive lowers are half fenced for clone autism, their complete 653 lowers with the aluminum stock are like $400+ because there’s only so much to cut down costs on niche limited production parts for a limited production product line (my M16A2 receiver serial from them is only in the 2000 range to give an idea of production scale)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I guess this sorta makes sense.
        >653 with aluminum stock
        I didn't know psa was making these. that's kinda neat. those are always pricey though, I was looking at the other manufacturer for that stock, and they're insanely priced, of you can ever find them. I cheaped out tho. Stubbs Customs did a 3d printable version of it, so that's what I've been using.

        Right, we should instead be spending $6,000,000 on a KAC rifle.

        no you dummy, unless it's for something specific and speshul, then you buy cheap shit poverty pony lowers. they're basically free. you can just have them. I have 267 lowers in my garage.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I respect them going all in on such a niche market but I also hope we see more products like the 605. Iirc they’re currently doing the M16A1, 604, XM16E1, M16A2, 653, 635, 723 (pencil and m4 barrel), DOE pistol, possibly the colt LMG, C7 uppers, and new vegas service rifle furniture thats permanently oos

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >(my M16A2 receiver serial from them is only in the 2000 range to give an idea of production scale)
        My M16A2 in grey is sub 300 lol. It was what was in stock and I figured it'd go with what I wanted it for.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Right, we should instead be spending $6,000,000 on a KAC rifle.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love my 723 build and my only complaints are lower and upper wobble (just get an accuwedge lol) and the action was kind of gritty until i swapped out the phosphate bcg for a nitrided I had. I had no qualms about swapping parts because it wasn’t a clone build and I got it in black anodizing so i could abuse it without worrying about the finish.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To this day I wish I had bought more then one kac sr-15 stripped lower from primary arms for less than 195$, un blemmed. Now they are worth 1500-2000$ and the non blems are confirmed to be gen 1 sr-15 lowers. Buy quality and don't frick around with lowers if they are not m16 cut these days.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fricking lower. All it needs to do is be within spec to fit trigger, buffer, and upper pins and then withstand the (mild) force on the cotter pins holding the upper and the shear on the buffer tube using lthreading. It's really hard to manufacture a useless AR lower.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Very very good lowers. The grey anodization is sleek. Top is a grey ano lower and bottom is a black ano lower. QC fixes are very good in case you get a blem as well. They don't have M16 pockets but the rollmark makes it worth it anyways.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah they need to make a dissy thumper version

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      too bad the only seller i can find charges nearly half the price of the rifle

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