How would you win the Pacific Ocean war if you were in charge of them?

How would you win the Pacific Ocean war if you were in charge of them?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you can't
    but otherwise don't blow all your fricking naval resources on three ships you're too afraid to actually send into combat
    also choose a different fricking medium caliber AA gun for your ships

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nab the design for the automatic 37mm from Germany, and build shitloads of them instead of 25mm peashooters.

      I just checked and both IJA and IJN didn't had any medium caliber AA gun. Why?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        IJA had a few leftover 40mm pompoms and made a handful of bofors at the ass-end of the war, but in general they didn't have the industrial throughput to make anything but their 25mm.
        The war was so lopsided you could have had 5 Japans and they still would have lost.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They could've tried improving the 25 mm. It wasn't ideal (bridging light and medium AA happened way later, when the Germans came out with the MK 213) but it beat starting from scratch (since they didn't really have anybody they could buy better guns from). The Type 96 wasn't a genuinely terrible gun (that distinction is reserved for the US 1.1''). It just had low ROF (worsened by the shit 15-round box mags) and poor accuracy (due to both vibrations and bad sights).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sure, but even the British managed to turn the pom-pom into a serviceable weapon even though it was outclassed by the newer Bofors 20 and 40mm being put on every allied ship
            meanwhile Japan's late-war attempted solution to aircraft spam was "lol just put the Type 96 in triple mounts on top of main guns" and sometimes shit like replacing Maya's third turret with another pair of oh so effective time fused 5" guns

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nab the design for the automatic 37mm from Germany, and build shitloads of them instead of 25mm peashooters.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    actually engage logistics vessels
    also send in several more waves to hawaii

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't start one?
    Just keep up colonial efforts in the south pacific.
    actually genocide the koreans properly

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yamamoto was right. There was no winning. Pearl Harbor was the best thing they had going, so they did that and tried to cling on for as long as possible to extract the most concessions.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >yamamoto tells high command and militarists that war with america is genuinely asking the impossible
      >they comically misinterpret it as advocating it and puts him in charge of it
      >his plan hinges on things basically outside of his control
      >attack goes to plan but still is a failure due to said things outside his control
      >everyone celebrates while yamamoto knows instantly how genuinely over it is for japan
      honestly him dying before the Kamikazes and naval suicide run horseshit seems almost like a mercy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they comically misinterpret it
        no, they didn't; they forced him to run the war because he was still their most capable admiral
        no doubt the irony was not lost on them; they probably considered it a humiliation or punishment for daring to speak against the war that he would be forced to plan and manage it
        > him dying before the Kamikazes and naval suicide run horseshit seems almost like a mercy
        probably, yes
        I wouldn't be surprised if he genuinely had a death wish
        it seems pretty reckless for him to go round inspecting the front like that

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The scenario in which Japan wins the Pacific War is Germany defeating Britain and making the US less willing to defend the Allies' former colonies.
    The attack on Pearl Harbour is the worst possible option for American public opinion.
    Occupy the Philippines and destroy the US fleet as they did at the Battle of Malaya.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dubious if the US would've immediately sent a relief force to the Philippines.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also, the Imperial Japanese Navy had not studied total war as much as the Army.
    They thought that if they destroyed the US fleet, as they had done during the Russo-Japanese War, the US would offer peace.
    That was the reason for their aggressive offensive, ignoring supply lines, and it was the Navy's fault that Japanese soldiers had to make Banzai charge with only a sword and hand grenades.
    Crucial to Japan's victory was to continue total war with the US until Germany had defeated the British.
    To do so, it would be wrong to go on aggressive offensive even after the occupation of the resource zones in South-East Asia.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd actually give the Japanese the benefit of the doubt on this. If Pearl Harbor had been 100% successful - sunk carriers, that is - then the Japanese would have successfully attrited away any surviving carriers afterwards (they almost did anyway) and at that point the Japanese are in a position to invade Hawaii - not just "ohhhh we landed troops, time to get in a stalemate on the islands" but "we have successfully blockaded the islands and are now in the process of eliminating resistance and establishing a puppet government". The United States genuinely did almost lose the Pacific theater, but that window was only ever open during the first year or so. So yeah, the US could have hypothetically peaced out if they genuinely couldn't have stopped the Japanese from doing whatever they wanted for several months.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Impossible. Just doing a raid stretched their logistics to the maximum. Landing, supporting and supplying forces on Hawaii was far beyond their capability.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Same and only way Germany could won the war in europe. By luck, and good damn, they good so fricking lucky.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Convince the IJA to throw themselves at the Northern Resource Area after Barbarossa begins. Worst case, you gut the IJA and take full control of Japan.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    never attack america, bypass the philippines and just attack the british
    how would a war waged for the sake of keeping british colonial possession intact ever be sold to the american public without pearl harbor?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just attack into jungles, mountains and try to send their navy through narrow straits the whole war? Sounds extremely moronic. Their attempts were failures and already on the edge of their supplies when they had complete control of the region, now do the same with a risk of the Philippines having a belligerent force inside it to block you if they get involved

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if the philippines are in the war then america is in the war
        if america is in the war then you've lost, no further questions required
        your number one priority should be to avoid war with america

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Japan could project force southwards from Formosa if they controlled either the Philippines or Vietnam; they went with both but just Vietnam would still allow for operations against Malaya, Borneo, and the Dutch East Indies. The only risk the Philippines posed was as a base for an Anglo-American strike fleet to operate out of, but if that happens then you can conquer them anyways; there's no reason to poke the sleeping eagle any more than you have to

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What they did was all they realistically could have done. Strategically they could have dumped their battleships and went more aggressively into carriers and leaned big into training up naval air groups, get more help from Germany re industrial tech, etc — but all of that is hindsight. It’s just, no matter how you shake it, the IJN was going to have it’s shit pushed in and it would have taken a straight-up miracle for there to have been a different outcome.

    Japan didn’t have the resources, the end. Even if you equalize the talent and technology, the massive resource disparity would mean inevitable defeat for Japan. The fact that the USN was notably superior in most ways and that superiority gap widened over time just shut down the IJN that more quickly, Even with the power of hindsight I don’t know what they could have done to change the outcome, only help them survive a while longer.

    Oh and before anyone spazzes out iver “just don’t go to war DUH” that was a flat-out impossibility. Japan was dedicated to carving out an imperial domain out of the region and there was ZERO chance the US would ever accept that. In order to not go to war they’d have to officially give up on that policy would be the same as the government simply resigning and giving up power entirely while abandoning the zaibatsu partners who were the beneficiaries of that expansion, Even if they did mass-resign the zaibatsus would partner with other figures and get a new government back on track to capturing an empire.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just attack the bongs and dutch and gamble on america staying out
    >but your logistics are totally at America's mercy if they choose to intervene
    yes
    it's still the better gamble

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if the philippines are in the war then america is in the war
      if america is in the war then you've lost, no further questions required
      your number one priority should be to avoid war with america

      This

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's only a hair of a percent lower chance than attacking Pearl, because America at the time was already de facto siding Britain against the Axis

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >invent the proximity fuse for AAA
    >invent and deploy superior Japanese radar
    >have unbreakable encrypted naval comms
    >develop and deploy effective anti-submarine patrols and escorts
    >have more resources for building more ships
    Checkmate, waito piggu.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wake up, kiddo

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I lead an espionage effort to remove leftists and israelites from positions of power in the US, so that the US sells us petroleum to use in China.
    Pacific? Pacific is a peaceful ocean, why would I need to fight over it.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The outcome that happened was the best case scenario for the Japanese.
    They lost with dignity, which wouldn’t have happened if the red army made it to Honshu.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >if the red army made it to Honshu.
      With what navy?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    everyone talking equipment is totally missing the plot
    Jap autism had the navy and army actively trying to sabotage each other. The fricked themselves from the start

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >WWFND

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they can't, Japan would always loose to the US in the Pacific, their only chance is to sidestep the War with America:
      Only take French and Dutch colonies, try to introduce anticommunist propaganda in the US, attack the Soviets before Barbarossa, bait the red army into Siberia and let the Germans steamroll through western Russia.
      of course that requires some coordination with the nazis and all of these alt history things are just bending reality but that might work

      I'd watch it ngl

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Funny how not even the IJA x IJN could coordinate

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't attack Pearl Harbor, take the British and Dutch possessions but leave the Philippines. No one has a mutual defense obligation with the US and access to their oil was already lost prior to Dec. 7th.
    Let the Army work in China and the Navy will focus on solidifying the holdings of the islands taken. War with America may still come but let them be the ones to fire the first shots.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >These are your commanders, good luck!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      beating them into the dust in WW2 really did them a big service

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm so sorry America senpai, how about we call it even and I promise to go even harder on China and Russia post WW2

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Consider instead taking over Hawaii with sudden strike of Secret Servants (great book about Jap civilian spies everywhere and why we had to lock up all the "loyal American citizens") in conjunction with ginned up Native Hawaiian and even dis-enfranchised Americans. Pre-State Hood judges would offer criminals a one way ticket to Hawaii in liu of prison.
    Do similar takeovers in Dutch East Indies and Viet Nam and declare them all now "free" but also part of Japanese led Axis. Do same in China and Flips. Its all about freeing from ~~*Western*~~ domination. Start that shit also in INDIA, which was on the brink and waiting for a spark.

    Push the line in USA that all these newly freed asiatics and those still fighting only want to be free like Americans did in 1776.

    Coordinate with Hitler and his anti-Colonial stance. Get help or maybe just limited political support from anti-Colonials in USSR, and/or their flak on US college campuses and Union Halls. israelites would be split, likely much like today over Gaza. Honest israelites would apply their "moral framework" and support non-White freedom, establishment israelites would support old power structure.

    Offer LatinX a "New Way" out from under American domination and path to be Real Nations dealing with Far East as more than equal partners directly.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Kido Butai got into launching range of Pearl without being detected...what if I know that is possible and decide to sail the entire battleline right to Hawaii and shell the shit out the US Pacific Fleet? Even if they detect and set sail then a fight in open water means any losses are permanent.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >US ship gets damaged
      >is in port 15 minutes later
      >Japanese ship gets damaged
      >is 3,000 miles from any repair facilities at bingo fuel

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd start by regularly changing my military and diplomatic codes so that in the unlikely event they get cracked, my complex battle plans to sink the American fleet aren't read like an open book.
    Then I'd hold off on attacking the Americans until I had the logistical ability to actually destroy and/or conquer their primary Pacific naval base on Pearl Harbor

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Then I'd hold off on attacking the Americans until I had the logistical ability to actually destroy and/or conquer their primary Pacific naval base on Pearl Harbor
      So then never

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much. Unless the US gets distracted by a civil war or invasion of the East Coast I'm staying out of it, based solely on her shipbuilding capacity

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Step 1: take Indochina from France
    Step 2: take Singapore from the British
    Step 3: take the Sunda strait from the Dutch
    Step 4: with the 2nd Island chain mostly secure, push out past the Malaysian Barrier to operate in the Indian Ocean and try to seize Ceylon; this will prevent any British reinforcement of Australia and will enable you to meanmug them back to Sydney
    Step 5: Close the Burma road by advancing up the coast with naval supplies
    Step 6: rape

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Seize Ceylon, an immense logistical stretch, when they couldn't even seize New Guinea

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How would you win the Pacific Ocean war
    By not starting one of course. I'd coincidentally discover the massive oil and gas fields of Manchuria which would make Japan self-sufficient rendering the US oil embargo and the plans to secure the Dutch East Indies (thus starting a war with the West) irrelevant. Afterwards Japan could just focus on ending the war in China or invading the USSR if it really wanted to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fantasy land. War with the U.S. was considered to be imminent which is why the Pearl operation was conducted to begin with. Also, Japan didn’t have the technical ability to build up major oil infrastructure in anything like a decent timeframe and hoped to capture existing infrastructure from the DEI. Of course they also didn’t have the merchant marine assets for even that let alone being able to protect in case of war with the U.S. but since war with the U.S. seemed inevitable they planned a preemptive strike and seemed to just go with copes for the future. Because not getting into a war with the U.S. meant abandoning their imperial adventures and that was politically impossible within Japan so the Japanese leadership didn’t just roll over and die, they resisted and coped until the end. Because the outcome seems obvious in theory ("we can’t win in a war against the U.S.") they couldn’t see the future and so it’s possible to keep coping until the end. Because you’re in power with wealth and a lifestyle, and you’ll still be living that life the next day, the next day after that, next week and next month etc. Things will work somehow, or at least you’ll find an exit strategy, etc. That’s the mentality which carried both German and Japanese leadership through a losing war until the very end. Elites care about #1 and their direct supporters and the nation barely at all which they just see as their wealth but which can be sacrificed for their sake.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >which would make Japan self-sufficient
      The US embargo covered basically every kind of material that could be used to make military equipment.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ram the Yamato and Musashi into the Panama canal and wedge them there.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tbh same as in axis and Allies. Get the oil and deal with China while keeping the god damn Americans away from you. If you do Pearl Harbor at all focus on fricking up the fleet repair facilities

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >axis and Allies
      the board game? it's moronic. too Axis-biased for balance.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes that's what makes the game playable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Axis and Allies Miniatures is so much more fun than that crap, shame it's out of print. I try to keep it alive in my game group.
        (Check out aamcardbase.com)

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In the modern era I would join team China

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't attack US.
    Done.
    Britbongs are coping and seething.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >safest way to ski?
      >uhhh don't go skiing
      Hurrr durrrrr

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cancel the Pearl raid, rail coke off a Chinese hookers' breasts while your marines bayonet her husband

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No Pearl, but take Philippines. The US were about to enter, anyway, leaving the Philippines in American hands is just asking for an instant loss.
    No Midway, no Solomons. Just wait, follow the 1930s' war plan of attriting the Americans as they make their way towards Japan while conserving forces.
    Pay attention to ASW. We're an island, dammit.
    Decisive battle at the Marianas, circa mid 1944. My carrier- and land based airpower is still largely intact, my officer corps hasn't been gutted.
    I still lose the battle, but the Americans lose a shitton of men and tonnage way out of proportion of what they lost otl. The Marianas are defended Iwo Jima style and won't be available as airfields for a while.
    Sue for peace in the hope the yanks allow Japan to keep Taiwan, southern Sakhalin and maybe (not gonna happen, but whatever) Korea.
    If the Americans want to destroy me, they can still do it. This is unavoidable.
    But maybe it is possible to convince them that it isn't worth it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Another admiral places you in a Sumo headlock. What now?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Twist his dick

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >nihhon
    God

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Facing the US Navy
    >wanting to win
    Dont start a war with the US or British. The game was rigged from the start

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would yawn really loud when minions present plans

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Begin sinking IJA transports

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't declare war on USA, just eat SEA.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Simple, you formalize an alliance with the US and divide the pacific evenly.

      People should understand that the war with the US was inevitable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Only if they stuck with the tripartite pact.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Simple, you formalize an alliance with the US and divide the pacific evenly.

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