Lol India is only a military power on paper, they are barely able to operate the nice stuff they buy, chinks at least have a military industrial complex.
Do you think UK, France, Germany or Turkey could wage such a long and sustained war?
Not him.
The answer is no.
They will need to be bankrolled and sent stuff from USA and their other allies.
You mean like Russia did months ago?
You mean like they would be also firing anti air missiles at ground targets like Russia too?
Get the frick out of here
2 years ago
Anonymous
Russia has never had precice missiles tho.
So they can't run out of them, since they never had them in the first place.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They've been firing hundreds of missiles per month and are still doing it to this day moron. It's the only way they could hit targets deep inside Ukraine given they can't use their air force due to Ukranian AA.
The euros only have on average 200 tanks which half probably aren't even ready to be used. The Ukies and Russians lost that amount each month in the begining
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, they really don't. They are doing the poor gay cobra rocket moves from hinds and su24s Russia run out of PGMs along time ago and have resorted to wasting S300s on land targets because well let's be honest, they aren't hitting air targets any time soon.
>Quality > Quantity
Look at the effect of modern western intelligent weapons in Ukraine, its clear the old doctrine of 100 grads doesn't work anymore.
It is not moronic but just missused. Its name is "Global Firepower" and it shows firepower pretty well, though dumb Black folk think it's the only factor that matters and use it as a "who's better" list, ignoring other 99% of shit that makes armies good.
>though dumb Black folk think it's the only factor that matters and use it as a "who's better" list, ignoring other 99% of shit that makes armies good.
So literally what that anon just did
Like this for instance. GFP isn't perfect but it's better than the lists with Turkey top 5 or South Korea above India lmfao. Those are genuinely moronic and people are trying to be contrarians to make themselves look smarter.
UK is above China.
France is above Turkey
Japan and India shouldn't even be on there.
Imagine unironically thinking France and the UK are above China. They aren't even above India anymore lmfao. China is leagues beyond either of them and China is closer to the US than France and the UK are to China.
what experience does china even have you moronic Black person homosexual? france and the foreign legion have doctrines they've tried and tested, the chinks doctrine hasn't
judging by chink videos its all fluff and show of force, would probably collapse like a building made of match sticks
>Muh experience!
Post WW2, most nations outside the US haven't gotten much experience. This is your only cope against the reality of Chinese dominance. China has more of everything including an economy that is nearly 6x larger than either of them. UK and French soldiers having a bit more """experience""" from WW2 is not going to help them defeat a country that is leagues beyond it. It's like comparing an ant to a boot. Economic strength is and has always been the best indicator of military strength because countries with high GDPs have high tax revenues to sustain wars. And in the case of China, their massive manufacturing base means they can manufacture a lot of the weapons they need in short order.
homosexuals like you just don't want to admit that the West sans the US is not very strong anymore.
Adding onto this, if you were to simply rank the countries by nominal GDP, by PPP, and by military budgets, you'd come up with 3 lists better than what most of the bozos on here come up with. Japan is the only country that would be overrated by this measure because their Constitution forbids them from having a true military.
For decades the main enemy of the west has been Russia, they are infinitely more experienced than the Chinese and arguable had better equipment and tactics.
Right now they are stalled a few miles into what was poorest country in Europe.
What chance in holy hell does China have? Its the most accident prone nation on the planet.
China has a much stronger economy, a fact which a lot of you don't seem to fully comprehend. Assuming China continues receiving oil from Russia and the Middle East, they would be able to totally crush a country like Ukraine. Russia's GDP is a pathetic 1.5 trillion. China's GDP is 20 trillion with the highest manufacturing capacity on the planet. They'd be able to fund their war and blitzkrieg a country like Ukraine with overwhelming numbers and finances. In short, China > Russia in 2022. Russia is a paper tiger on its way out. The only ways it can stay relevant are nukes and oil+gas revenues.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Assuming a country like Ukraine is on their borders ofc. Taiwan is going to fall to China inevitably because we simply can not stop them right in their neighborhood so close to their mainland.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol do you realize that China is going to be broken up into about 30 countries soon
Think of it this way, the Uighurs, Tibetans, Mongols, Manchus, Wu ethnic group around Shanghai, Maio peoples of southern china, cantonese, fujianese, etc. are going to be on the side of the west when this happens and they will be rewarded with being another US colony
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unreal levels of cope. The US is more likely to break apart than China.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Lol do you realize that China is going to be broken up into about 30 countries soon
Fox News boomer cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
China is like 90% Han and the Han are actively culturally genociding the remaining 10%
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wrong stay mad moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
They have literally 10 times the population of Russia. That alone lets them mog them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't forget more than 11x the GDP. The extent to which China mogs Russia is lost on people. Russia's tech and existing equipment is the only reason you can argue them over China. But 10 years from now, the difference between Russia and China will be so vast it'll be laughable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Doesn't mean shit, China is as fragile as well China. Your mentally ill if you think they could survive
I have a properly inflated sense of superiority, I think you can guess.
In reality China would struggle in a real war against a country like Thailand or the Philippines and this is no exaggeration, they simply do not have the genetics for combat
The Chinese military may be big, but they're basically just a glorified military police force at this point. The one thing that made them a terror in Korea - being used to such shitty conditions that they could march through mountains with a full pack on a single bowl of rice a day - is no longer something they can do. The only part of the Chinese military that is potentially threatening is their nuclear arsenal, and I'd be interested to see how their literally 'made in China' tier missiles preform outside of carefully scripted PR stunts.
The threat from China to the west today is economic and political, not military.
Maybe China has more naval tonnage but the UK can move its carrier groups to anywhere in the world and has done so in previous wars. Until we see China take Taiwan, we can only assume their air and ground forces are equipped with Chinesium and would fold against their battle tested and experienced English counterparts. Point is, the UK rates above China.
Fair point, but it is hard to ignore the sheer fricking number of shit they have and are capable of spewing out. As you say it could mean nothing if it is indeed chinesium (99% chance it is)
It sucks everything on China is speculation. It's a dirty mentality, but I want to see them put everything they have on paper to work, and Taiwan is the only situation where that would occur.
I'd easily put Turkey above Australia, they have shown they can manage large scale conventional fronts in Syria and are well acquainted with counterinsurgency at home. What has Australia done besides tag along with American coalitions?
Land: obvious
Air: based on # of operational F35s or F22s, nothing else really matters anymore
Sea: based on # of modern acc, subs, and destroyers, could be higher in a few years as they are developing a nuclear sub, also brazil could join this list soon as they are also developing nuclear subs
>Land: obvious
Not really? They have a large amount of old equipment. By that thinking Russia should be a superpower. >Air: based on # of operational F35s or F22s, nothing else really matters anymore
Well then your ratings are totally fricked, look at the amount of F-35s delivered.
SK shill. They produce some good cheap stuff but it's questionable if they can use it. They should be 3 places lower in every area.
Also Turkey should be above Poland in the Land area. Hell, Poland shouldn't be there at all.
Other than that, the most adequate rating ITT.
>Turkey >France >India >China >NUMBER BIG SO AUTOMATICALLY GOOD >WHAT IS FORCE PROJECTION???????? >DOES IT MATTER WE RELY ON OTHER NATIONS TO DO OUR SHIT ABROAD????
France hasn't needed to rely on anyone for their African operations and can likely sustain themselves further if they needed. It wouldn't be on the scale as the UK or the US, but compared to the other countries at least they could show up to the fight.
Hmm maybe because France had to rely on the UK to carry its African operation from 2013 until they left? Both strategically and tactically? Also the UK has a giant fleet auxiliary that France doesn't have.
Do you live under a rock, new or just moronic?
france essentially relied on the US, the UK were pretty irrelevant in comparison but that's not my question. now calm down and read the posts seething britboi
>just the US now maybe abit of the UK
So we can agree they cannot manage there own operations and logistics then? >But that didn't answer my question
UK had the only heavy helicopter airlift in all of the Mali operation, the fact the UK has never needed to use any French logistics proves they are the more capable nation. >Britboi
Sorry to hurt your fragile feelings frogger
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So we can agree they cannot manage there own operations and logistics then? >there
cringe
also never said they could, i was just asking the other poster what made him think the UK could do it alone. if only you could just read instead of instantly pissing your pants because france is mentioned.
>the fact the UK has never needed to use any French logistics proves they are the more capable nation.
UK hasn't been an active military since Iraq.
>Sorry to hurt your fragile feelings frogger
German. It's just funny how rent free the frogs live in britbois heads.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic or somthing if nation x cannot manage its own logistics but nation y can then by logic nation y would fair better in the conflict by itself. Oh your German, no wonder you haven't a clue about a working military.
The last UK military activity was Afganistan, you thinking it was Iraq only further proves your lack of knowledge. Also the UKs deployments are huge compared to Frances.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Are you moronic or somthing if nation x cannot manage its own logistics but nation y can then by logic nation y would fair better in the conflict by itself.
You still haven't read my question and you're still acting like an angry homosexual.
>The last UK military activity was Afganistan
Hiding in your base isn't military activity, I know you know.
Why do brits get so angry and insecure when france is mentioned?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him, but you know the UK has done larger foreign deployments than France has? Why are you seething so much about the UK?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you know the UK has done larger foreign deployments than France has
when? with no foreign support?
>Why are you seething so much about the UK?
why are brits seething so much about france?
what i don't like is how brits act so arrogantly when it comes to french army when their respective armies are basically 1:1 and brits are literally the only one to do that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afgan, Sierra Leone, N.Ireland, Falklands etc etc
We handle our own logistics and for 10x the size of Mali, don't drag us down with your shitty rep
No one's seething, you just need putting in your place now and again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not only did the UK benefited from huge logistical support by the US during those latest conflicts (Iraq and Afghanistan) but the UK hasn't been on a foreign intervention by itself for decades. You don't even compare.
>don't drag us down with your shitty rep
Again, I'm German. What's up with brits who can't fricking read?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You don't even compare.
Why? I mean their military is built to do it better than France's. I don't get this anti-British seething you French do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean even today in the Nato Deployment the UK has like 90 tanks deployed, France and Germany have maybe 12 combined?
It's pretty sad you have to blow the French horn (literally) because you are so substantially pathetic you aren't recognisable as Germany any more.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nato Deployment
Is that supposed to impress anyone?
>It's pretty sad you have to blow the French horn (literally) because you are so substantially pathetic you aren't recognisable as Germany any more.
I'm not a country, i'm a person. Real life isn't countryballs you moron.
What's sad is seeing britbois getting anally blasted by the sole mention of the word "france" for some reason
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it's not its supposed to show how pathetically unprepared for combat you both are when an island is more capable and prepared for a land war than nations that aren't far from Russias borders. You can deflect all you want though it's pretty cringe.
Your not a person your a sad, sad shadow of your former ancestors.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>when?
2001, 2003, 2018 I guess, I don't follow the British military so could be more. >with no foreign support?
I guess last time with no support was 1983. >why are brits seething so much about france?
I followed replies and it seemed to start
>It wouldn't be on the scale as the UK
What makes you think the UK would have done better than france? They've been doing jack shit since iraq
with French seething
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I followed replies and it seemed to start
>It wouldn't be on the scale as the UK
What makes you think the UK would have done better than france? They've been doing jack shit since iraq (You) with French seething
That's my post and I'm german. As I fricking stated 3 times.
The French REALLY do live rent free in british heads
2 years ago
Anonymous
>B-b-but I am German
No one cares, frick off loser we occupied you for decades. Probably pissed in your people's gardens and smashed up your local boozer while you stood helpless.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That's my post and I'm german
I think you are deflecting and French. Why else would you get bothered by the British doing something better than the French?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry my superiority has triggered the continental gaylords once again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
digits confirm butthurt eurogays
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no, in fact, you're the one who's mad haha!
Can't read a question, can't answer to one. Can barely spell. Embarassing.
neither france or the uk have the logistic capabilities
2 years ago
Anonymous
While France did need support, it wasn't do or die support. The could have done it without any assistance just not as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not true at all. They required support from Canada Denmark US UK, it ranged from C17s to Chinooks to medium helicopters. Its really really embarresing from a military point of view you need that level of help in Strategic and Tactical areas.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. France needed alot more support not only from the US and UK but many other nations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>This.
How can you even tell? The UK has never been in this situation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>UK sails 10k troops 13000km, conducts Amphibious landings without air supperiority against an enemy with a 3:1 advantage, loses all helicopters so has to march all over the island kicking the shit out of the Argies all the way. Conducts the longest bombing run in history, becomes the only nation to sink a ship with a nuclear submarine btfos conventional military in 2 months
>France, can't deploy 5000 soldiers 3000km away without help from tens of friendly nations logistical help, gets bullied and has to leave years later
We are not the same.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A 40yo conflict where you got your ass handed to you by fricking argentinians of all things, Maggy had to threaten to nuke buenos aires because your ships were getting rekt by (french) exocets missiles
glorious indeed lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks for the concession, hopefully one day both Germany and France can surpass the Polish military again until then you are both barely relevant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Thanks for the concession
Running away from the conversation doesn't make you win but bravery isn't a british trait after all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean your resorted to sperging out about Margaret thatcher like your a labour party member or somthing you hardly deserve a structured reply do you?
>Bravery >Be France, lose entire nation in a few weeks >Forever laughed at for being cowards, surrender monkeys etc etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Bravery >Be the UK, lose the war on the continent on a few weeks >Run away like a b***h while the french cover your ass in dunkirk >hide on your island and wait for years while the USA and the USSR are doing the work
Impressive!
Sometimes I wish the UK had been in the place of France instead of cowering behind the sea.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I could correct this but your information is so incorrect it'd take multiple posts.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just sit on your ass and seethe about instead
homosexual brit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Does it hurt on the annual ww2 remembrance days when you have to sit it out and look at all the big dicks who saved you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>whataboutisms
The crying continental has transcended into armatard
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOO YOU CANT DO WHATABOUTSISMS!!!!!! IM THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN NOOOOOOOOOOOO
moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So have you said a correct thing today yet?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tell me you know nothing about UK logistics without using that phrase.
The mission failed, maybe send more than a token force next time you want to be relevant. You think France would have learned its lesson since the tiny gulf war contribution.
neither could do this kind of military operations without us support
Which kind of military operation? 5000 troops to Mali kek? We could do that with a 2 C17s and a few Chinooks.
They're already in use.
That nuclear power plant in Ukraine is one big nuke that both sides want to use without making it go boom. The question is which side will go full moron first.
Everyone who matters has nuke already dumbass, and comparing chinas to uk’s nuclear arsenal is like comparing a Chinese car to a British one. Enough said
Nukes are a deceptive metric, a lot of US allies are covered under the US nuclear umbrella but if they wanted to could easily produce more nukes than the total in the world combined today, think if SK, Germany and Japan were no longer covered by the US nuclear umbrella, they would have 100k+ warheads inside of a year
Take out nukes and the UK and France are probably barely top 10 maybe not even top 10
China is worthless, they can have a trillion "soldiers" but other than bullying India they can't do chit particularly against a modern military
Russia has a decent mentality for fighting wars in that they dgaf and way more likely to find typical russians willing to pick up a rifle and fight with far more frequency than in the west but they are monkey level iq from a command and control perspective and also can't compete against a modern military
Other than the US the only country that have a full combined arms military system on a MODERN level is South Korea, full stop, period, finito, hasta la manana, sayonara, homosexuals
That is why one nuke from NK takes out London, Paris or LA, three nukes from Russia sinks Britain into the atlantics, see how I did that to homosexual?
This is why nuclear weaponry is the ultimate determinant of national power and precisely why SK mogs every nation other than the US, China/Russia/India have nukes but their quality is so bad its just as likely they blow themselves up, Israel would get jumped by 90%+ of the world if they ever used nukes in an offensive scenario, UK/France have very dated technology and no ability to produce advanced weapons in any meaningful numbers
There's nobody else that is even close to the above
> three nukes from Russia sinks Britain into the atlantics
Yes, please!
> nuclear weaponry is the ultimate determinant of national power
Correct.
> SK mogs every nation other than the US
SK can't mog even NK, the laughing stock of the entire planet.. Not to mention the constant american reassurance that if something happens, US will help. It's not even regional power.
Most US operations are supplemented by US combat troops, you can google it yourself, started with Vietnam where over 200,000+ combat troops deployed and had a kill ratio more than 3x US troops, it was pretty brutal stuff and the UK even has a statue in the UK to memorialize all of the unfortunate atrocities committed by the SK marines
So, literally ONLY Vietnam? > they did 3x better than US
Kek.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The only combat effectiveness metric that is not debatable is kill ratio, in Vietnam the SK military had a better kill ratio than the US military, also there were over 325,000+ SK combat troops deployed in Vietnam
Others:
Iraq: 20,000
Afghanistan: 5,000
Lebanon: 4,000
Somalia: 4,200
East Timor: 3,300
Angola: 600
Western Sahara: 550
South Sudan: 300
There are a lot more but other than the US there is no modern country that even comes close to post-WW2 combat deployments
2 years ago
Anonymous
Counting your KDR against your own civilian population doesn't count Kim
Kill ratio is combat troops only and we don't frick around, pull something like a jan 6 in SK and see how well that works out for the deplorables lolol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pull something like a jan 6 in SK and see how well that works out
It already happened, and you let Nork commandos make their way entirely to your white house and then only managed a 1-1 KDR
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid
Israel has a tested modern combined arms system, the only one other than America. The UK as well. Japan low key as well (they can take SK). You don’t know squat, moron
Israel is not even top 10 and if the US did not secure their interest it would be erased inside of a few weeks even western europe is not necessarily a real trusted ally for Israel + Israel is fighting against ragheads who are notoriously bad at war, that said Israel should stand ideally forever, its among the few nations keeping the sandmonkeys in check
SK primary mission is NK but its far more complicated than that, in reality its also a forward combat force for the US coalition in the Pacific + SK focused on having the strongest military in the region in the event things start to get really crazy
But even the NK focus should not be understated
The Korean peninsula is about the size of the British island, 85,000 square miles compared to 84,000 square miles
However as a single data point, there are 9,000+ main battle tanks on the Korean peninsula. In comparison there are 9,000 main battle tanks in ALL of Europe to include Ukraine, Germany, Poland, UK, France, Sweden, Netherlands, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Hungary, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Moldova, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, Czech, Slovakia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Ireland, etc.
The US has 6,600 main battle tanks.
That is just main battle tanks as a metric, a similar trend is with other weapons systems. In reality the Korean peninsula is the greatest concentration of firepower in the history of humankind and its not even close.
SK is easily also the most competent in actual combat
In this incident Somali pirates hijacked a Norwegian owned ship, SK deployed their commandos supported by helicopter gunships with an end result of 100% Somali pirates killed, 100% crew freed, 0% SK casualties, this kind of stuff happens every day
No one cares about SK you idiot go back to making TVs
Go back to getting butt plowed by your bbc homosexual, EVERYBODY cares about SK its the truth and even a homosexual like you knows it deep down in your buttvag you fricking gay
Nope they don't, sorry. Most of their stuff is old ass shit and steel helmets, they are Iraq 1991 tier
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not sure who you are talking to but in the mic industry SK stuff is the hottest topic for the past few years, you are living under a rock or an internet fanboy if you don't know this
I'd put France def before Turkey and maybe even on par with China; lots of combat experience and the only other country after the US with a complete combat proven arsenal
Japan is kinda hard to judge, because while their military is superb, just like South Korea, they are kind of single purpose
I wouldn't put Turkey this high
while they have lots of experience, they lack modern equipment and their logistics isn't properly sized
Honorable mentions for the next ~5 places would be
Pakistan - nearly on par with India
Israel - comparable small but probably one the best trained and equipped standing forces AND reserves
Germany - not necessarily in a solo country vs country war but they have a HUGE pile of modern next gen weapons (like bunker busting missiles and THE best SHORAD) and probably the best logistics after the US
The only nations that have deployed more than 200,000+ combat troops post WWII other than the US are South Korea and Australia, as the US knows whenever they call on SK for combat support their kill ratio far exceeds the US, no other modern nation has any meaningful combat heritage or experience
>vatnik cope in this thread
Russia would get annihilated in days by every modern industrialized military
They have literally zero counter play against Precision-guided munition
Their Anti Air defense Systems are so outdated that almost every modern aircraft has enough defense mechanism against it
And half their stockpile isn't even working
The only positive about them is manpower, domestic oil production and theoretical technological advantages (if their systems would actually be build instead of trickling money into corruption)
>thread about military rank >bong seeth about frog for no reason
every fricking time
anyway here's mine
1. US
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BIG GAP
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2. UK
3. France
4. China...?
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smol gap
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5. Russia (pre war)
6. Israel
7. India (in def war)
8. SK...? (maybe AUS)
SK is easily also the most competent in actual combat
In this incident Somali pirates hijacked a Norwegian owned ship, SK deployed their commandos supported by helicopter gunships with an end result of 100% Somali pirates killed, 100% crew freed, 0% SK casualties, this kind of stuff happens every day
If this kind of stuff happens every day why is the single (1) example you point to as an example of combat prowess going overkill on some somali fishermen 11 years ago >The operation was seen as a huge success by the media, who noted the strong response to the pirates in contrast to the South Korean government's response to several North Korean provocations that had occurred in previous months such as thebombardment of Yeonpyeong
Hahahahaha there it is, you cucked out to the Norks and had to flex on some guys in a dhingy to save your pride, lmao
>pull something like a jan 6 in SK and see how well that works out
It already happened, and you let Nork commandos make their way entirely to your white house and then only managed a 1-1 KDR
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid
This has chink or nip hands all over this seethe cope, sorry chink/nip you are npcs and not even considered human by the world, everybody considers it morally justified to nuke chinks/nips lmfao
Asking the question could X defeat Y if that was an objective and given a few years prep like Russias war on Ukraine. No nukes on cities, but the defender if have they them can use Vs a fleet or tacticaly.
The rest are either land armies militia, without power projection, or very niche defensive power like Finland.
I'd put the UK as second as well. Nuclear subs just go hard, and the British ones are top shit. UK military intelligence is first rate as well. Air force is competently run with modern missiles, ground forces have good training and equipment.
If Ukraine taught us anything it's that quality of equipment, doctrine, training, and intelligence kick the shit out of sheer numbers.
The only reason why the UK is top 5 is because of the nuclear subs, UK intel is effectively a forward listening post for the US intel network, its all controlled by the US and the UK is no different than any other US colony, air force is only decent because they are finally buying the F35, they are trying to get rid of the eurofighter as quickly as possible and the tempest meme program is just their way to ask the US for more F35s, ground forces are a joke, not even top 30 and countries like Turkey and Poland would steamroll UK in a ground war
Dumbass, I'm laughing at you monkeys thinking anybody believes you have a real military, you can't even protect your own women from the shitskin grooming sex slave gangs homosexual lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
Clearly to have those images saved you must find yourself feeling threatened quite alot. Are you a victim? You seem like a victim.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Now that you have conceded defeat and acknowledge the inferiority of your "military" its time for you to go back to cum guzzling and stuffing bbc in your "boi" hole these are your true talents
2 years ago
Anonymous
>, I'm laughing at you monkeys thinking anybody believes you have a real military, you can't even protect your own women from the shitskin grooming sex slave gangs homosexual lol
>still more and better subs than most countries >still more and better carriers than most countries >way better destroyers than most countries
Name 10 countries with a better navy.
No way China is that high, China is below Russia and Japan is below China, Turkey is underrated and probably between France and UK, otherwise fairly accurate
In some respects China is far more advanced and capable than America. (e.g., its industrial supply chain is 100x more robust and much larger, it has more high-IQ manpower and less "diversity," etc.)
In other respects, America still has the clear advantage.
A war between the two is impossible to predict or simulate. One can only speculate that China would have the edge in the eastern Pacific. (If the war expands, it inevitably goes nuclear, so there's no use speculating on a Chinese attack on the American mainland, or vice versa -- the scenario can only be a limited engagement around Taiwan.)
Cope. China has an extremely robust overland supply chain for food, and it's more self-sufficient than you realize. Besides, the USA just forced Russia and China into a shotgun wedding.
>10% to 15% maximum land suitable for agriculture >for 1.4 billion people >"self sufficient"
Yeah after about a billion of their people starve they should be good to go. Until then, they're no where near capable of being self sufficient. Cope.
No, they can feed their people but they lose because they historically absolutely suck and war, probably only better than India, that is why these nations or billions can’t succeed in even a single war
So many morons putting China as 1 or 2 when they have not been in a serious military conflict in recent history.
Where are you drawing this conclusion from?
They beat the USA in Korea the 1950s, contrary to everybody's expectations.
They beat Vietnam through the 1980s.
They are adept at attaining all of their geopolitical objectives. > B-but they didn't get their asses handed to them by Talichads over the past twenty years!
Cope homie.
It completely ignores the nuance of those conflicts. It’s gamblers fallacy. It’s like saying “sports team A has won more than sports tram B, therefore, when sports team A plays sports team B, sports team A will win” without looking at anything else. Bad analysis. The kind of linear thinking i would expect from a slant-eyed, straight-pubed, mongoloid.
The "nuance" is that the CCP Chinese literally don't know defeat. They fight until they win. The Americans, in contrast, don't know how to win. They fight until they get bored or distracted or fed up, and then quit in disgrace.
>They beat the USA in Korea the 1950s,
Didn't happen. SK still exists and has grown into a close and powerful US ally. >They beat Vietnam through the 1980s.
Also didn't happen. They failed harder than the US did. >They are adept at attaining all of their geopolitical objectives.
Taiwan is right there bro, just take it.
>Also didn't happen. They failed harder than the US did.
Holy cope. They lost less men, they attained their objectives, and they permanently gained territory. (Which they still hold and never plan on giving back.) Also, Vietnam has been permanently cucked as a potential rival or strategic threat. Basically, it has become a Chinese client state.
>Didn't happen. SK still exists and has grown into a close and powerful US ally.
Please explain the UN having nearly all of the Korean peninsula under control prior to Chinese intervention lmfao
Size. Technological advancement and number of various weapons. Manufacturing and logistics capability. Remember China has like 5 times as many people as the US and are the world's preeminent manufacturing power.
1. US (king of logistics and systems, command and control, and special operations, nukes)
2. UK (highest trained standard infantry in the world with highest per-solider spending by quite some margin, nukes and a small but potent navy and air force)
3. FRANCE (always seems to get a lot done on the cheap, plus they have a higher operation tempo than most others, nukes and a small but potent navy and airforce)
4. China (completely green and inexperienced at all ranks, huge number of soldiers and materiel, fastest growing navy in the world, nukes, up and coming air force)
5. Doesn’t matter if the aforementioned are involved.
As far as best of the rest go, Finland, Denmark, South Korea, Turkey, Canada, Italy all have decent equipment and training, I just doubt their ability to stick it out in a large conflict on their own for more than a year. Russia doesn’t make the list because they’ve shown to be very incompetent. India doesn’t make the list because everything they do is a farce or pretense combined with being completely green like china, but with atrocious training standards and garbage equipment (except for a handful of units).
So what do you use as a general guideline for military strength? Raw numbers? Raw funding? Projection capacities? Personally I think average funding per soldier is a good general metric for how shit an army is
Those are the top 7 and I've separated the different tiers. Mfs just try to disagree with this to try to be different. BTW GFP's rankings are mostly pretty good considering that they account for a variety of factors, including economic might. I still think they over-rate Japan and SK though.
Actually moronic. You're trying to disagree with GFP for the sake of being different and making it seem like you know more because you don't use the normie ranking. The people who are citing GFP have better lists than the mfs with Turkey in their top 5.
I didn't know North Korea had the 5th strongest navy in the world and the 11th mightiest air force and a stronger tank force than China. GFP rankings is shithole cope that doesn't reflect reality.
Actually moronic. You're trying to disagree with GFP for the sake of being different and making it seem like you know more because you don't use the normie ranking. The people who are citing GFP have better lists than the mfs with Turkey in their top 5.
1. United States of America
2. China
3. Russia
4. India
5. UK
6. France
7. Pakistan
Those are the top 7 and I've separated the different tiers. Mfs just try to disagree with this to try to be different. BTW GFP's rankings are mostly pretty good considering that they account for a variety of factors, including economic might. I still think they over-rate Japan and SK though.
This. GFP over-ranks the thirdies way too much but memes aside North Korea has a shitload of submarines, they are not going to launch an invasion against a modern military but there's no way to deploy forces on North Korean soil without comically high levels of casualties
>there's no way to deploy forces on North Korean soil without comically high levels of casualties
It's called an air force. Does your country have one?
moron, North Korea has more air defense assets than all of europe combined, they also have nukes and with their fleet of submarines can launch them at any country in the world in a kamikaze scenario
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>North Korea has more air defense assets than all of europe combined,
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They have more tanks that all of Europe combined if Ukraine is not counted so despite probably have thirdie tier equipment this could be true
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>They have more tanks that all of Europe combined if Ukraine is not counted so despite probably have thirdie tier equipment this could be true
What are yon own about..,are you seriously shitting out North Korean statistics on what they call 'tanks' and trying to imply one of the most insane despotic failed states on earth armed almost exclusively with ancient soviet rubbish with carboard cut out body kits can somehow magically rival western European shit made by Rheinmetall? Nice B8 but moronic.
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>air defense assets primarily supplied by the soviet union >brown water subs
lol
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You know, I never thought about that.
If Soviet equipment works as well in Nork hands as it does in Russian hands, they would do well not to make any trouble.
The only reason NK still exists is because it's so close to SK that they could cause massive civilian deaths and immense infrastructure damage before getting shat on. Not to mention it'd be the greatest humanitarian crisis on the planet with the sheer number of backwards, low IQ, starving, diseased North Koreans. Imagine trying to assimilate them into SK. Just ignore them, the problem will eventually kill itself.
They've been firing hundreds of missiles per month and are still doing it to this day moron. It's the only way they could hit targets deep inside Ukraine given they can't use their air force due to Ukranian AA.
The euros only have on average 200 tanks which half probably aren't even ready to be used. The Ukies and Russians lost that amount each month in the begining
He said precise. Russia has no precise missiles, that's why they can't hit shit meanwhile Ukraine has superior Western missiles and can actually hit shit like ammo depots and air fields.
>Didn't happen. SK still exists and has grown into a close and powerful US ally.
Please explain the UN having nearly all of the Korean peninsula under control prior to Chinese intervention lmfao
Please explain the goal of UN intervention being to save SK and how SK being saved is a loss. It was a draw for everyone except NK.
>Please explain the goal of UN intervention being to save SK and how SK being saved is a loss.
Pic related, keep coping the UN got btfo by 300k peasants despite overwhelming advantages in air, artillery and heavy equipment.
No way China or India are top 6 let alone top 10, there could be an argument to place them somewhere 10 to 20, but realistically China and India are both outside of the top 20
This is the latest advanced technology that China is capable of a main battle tank that they claim is among the best, they aired this on national tv and the type 90s were literally breaking apart live, the level of panicmode was epic lol
Dumbass. If anything Japan and South Korea are underrated and all of the thirdie nations are overrated. The biggest gripe with GFP is that it counts an F22 the same as some cheapass Chinese/Russian/Indian crap that would not even be considered operational by 1950s US standards
The true rankings
1. US
2. South Korea
3. France
4. UK
5. Japan
6. Germany
7. Turkey
8. Poland
9. Australia
10. Italy
11. Netherlands
12. Spain
13. Canada
14. Sweden
15. Denmark
16. Norway
17. Finland
18. Austria
19. Belgium
20. Switzerland
This is not WW2, a single F35 fully armed could take out 100,000+ people on one sortie and anything that is being targeted by an F35 is basically goldfish in a pond
Are those 900k people going to stand on each other's shoulders until they can reach the F35 and bat it out of the sky? A single F35, with working logistics, could kill an infinite amount of people.
>7. Pakistan
moronic brown and yellow people thinking they are just as good now as their former colonial masters via lists. India has one of the most moronic air forces in existence. China is soviet crap with body kits and Pakistan is literally left6 over western commuter models. Very funny but for your own sake don't try anything or there will be a lot of dead brown and yellow people and a lot of laughing French or UK people. Any western European nation or the USA can switch off India and kill 50% of its population before they have had breakfast and then go on and do a regular workday. This is why they don't have endemic leprosy or cruelly execute children for insufficient love of Mohammed. They don't have bodies drifting in rivers or illiterate village idiots without toilets cooking dogs alive. These are real first world places with high percentages of white people. They only reason they are not occupying China, Indonesia, India, Pakistan etc is because they got bored of war after ww1 and ww2. Not because brown and yellow people made them bored of war, they were just bored of playing it against each other, If brown or yellow people have somehow managed to convince themselves that they are now mighty warriors that are able to fight these people they have gone insane based on any empirical observation possible. Its very funny and evrything until millions of brown or yellow people are dead because some stupid brown or yellow person started really believing this. Look at them with their second hand soviet communist crap and commuter model French and American planes. It is so funny and cute. Look at China with its body kits like some moronic 21 year old with his first car sticking dumb spoilers everywhere. Look it made a Disney cruise ship flat and called it an aircraft carrier. For frick sake brown and yellow people, get a grip and don't piss of the Americans or Europeans or you may wind up colonised. Again.
1. United States Airforce
2. United States Navy
3. United States Army
who cares about the rest lmao they cant even match up to one branch of the US military
Russia vs Ukraine is a good example. Or India vs Pakistan. As you can see if you have w pervading culture of pretense within your military, it doesn’t fare well against a determined opponent in should, on paper, be an easy campaign.
> As you can see if you have w pervading culture of pretense within your military, it doesn’t fare well against a determined opponent in should, on paper, be an easy campaign.
The Chinese are better off right now than the American military, which ritually abases itself before the dregs of society, ultimately harming morale and recruitment.
India vs Pakistan helps his case. India has crushed Pakistan in every war they've had despite the copes of Pakis. When the Pakis tried to invade, the Indians stopped them at the Line of Control. When the Pakis started genociding the Bengalis, the Indians btfod them and ended the war in a matter of weeks.
They beat the USA in Korea the 1950s, contrary to everybody's expectations.
They beat Vietnam through the 1980s.
They are adept at attaining all of their geopolitical objectives. > B-but they didn't get their asses handed to them by Talichads over the past twenty years!
Cope homie.
You can tell how much someone understand how wars *actually* work based on where they rank China and especially India. If they rank them low, then they're probably brainlets who don't understand the extent to which raw economic might predicts military power. A country's GDP per capita can be piss poor, but if their total manufacturing capacity and total GDP is high, then they will be able to buy and produce more equipment than other countries. Countries that grow fast economically can expect to keep increasing their military budgets with time and have a lot more room to approve drastic increases to the budget in times of war. Not to mention that since costs of living are so much lower in India and China, they don't have to pay their troops as much on a per person basis while also benefiting from cheaper costs to maintain those troops' necessities (food, clothing, etc).
You can argue India 7th at worst and China 3rd at worst. 99% of the people who put them lower than that are coping Eurogays who are mad that their militaries wouldn't be able to compete.
But why did they put the ships doors on backwards?
You can tell how much someone understand how wars *actually* work based on where they rank China and especially India. If they rank them low, then they're probably brainlets who don't understand the extent to which raw economic might predicts military power. A country's GDP per capita can be piss poor, but if their total manufacturing capacity and total GDP is high, then they will be able to buy and produce more equipment than other countries. Countries that grow fast economically can expect to keep increasing their military budgets with time and have a lot more room to approve drastic increases to the budget in times of war. Not to mention that since costs of living are so much lower in India and China, they don't have to pay their troops as much on a per person basis while also benefiting from cheaper costs to maintain those troops' necessities (food, clothing, etc).
You can argue India 7th at worst and China 3rd at worst. 99% of the people who put them lower than that are coping Eurogays who are mad that their militaries wouldn't be able to compete.
Dumbass brainlet and why you chinks are the worst in war, it takes a million chinese to equal one western soldier in real combat.
If china was even a top 10 military picrel would never happen. The US and the entire world knows china is about as much of a threat as any rando thirdie like pakistan or vietnam, the US fricking controls the waters immediately on chinese soil lmfao
Btw, chinese media absolutely seething about this but there ain't shit they can do and the chinese people are increasingly realizing their eternal role as defenseless bugs
China is in economic turmoil right now so they can't risk a war that would lead to the deaths of soldiers and possibly more economic pain if the world tries to sanction then. Once they get past their financial crisis of this year, they'll invade Taiwan and they'll be unstoppable there. The US will get BTFOd in that scenario esp since the average American isn't going to want to pay for another foreign war.
>The "nuance" is that the CCP Chinese literally don't know defeat. They fight until they win. The Americans, in contrast, don't know how to win. They fight until they get bored or distracted or fed up, and then quit in disgrace.
Anyone not putting Russia 2nd is blinded by Amerimutt propaganda. As they've shown in Syria they can project significant power to the edge of their regional sphere of influence and accomplish their goals on a shoestring budget. They also shown they can more or less engage a higher level adversary, that being NATO, on a peer-to-peer level and trade blows in Ukraine. This is all while withstanding sanctions, lulzy logistics frickups that result from being poor, the woes of a conscript force, and the combined glowhomietry of the western world sabotaging them at every step of the way. If we're being honest this is the only form of conflict that matters outside of MAD dick swinging, and the fact they're proving themselves victorious while still being on a shoestring budget is commendable.
Yes, yes. Ukraine is looooooosing, we get it vatnig.
https://i.imgur.com/CjiJzGj.jpg
This is the latest advanced technology that China is capable of a main battle tank that they claim is among the best, they aired this on national tv and the type 90s were literally breaking apart live, the level of panicmode was epic lol
Don't forget their shiny new rifles all keyholing. China can't even make a rifle in 2022, they are a third world country.
https://i.imgur.com/PPbaB9a.png
>Please explain the goal of UN intervention being to save SK and how SK being saved is a loss.
Pic related, keep coping the UN got btfo by 300k peasants despite overwhelming advantages in air, artillery and heavy equipment.
>goal was to restore SK's border to the 38th parallel
Which was accomplished. BOOM. Thank you, I win.
Yes, the gif proves his point that Russia is winning by losing half of what they initially held and being forced into WW1 trench combat. Remind me again what happened to Imperial Germany in WW1. They were "winning" vs France so I'm sure something good happened to them.
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Modern Russia is no where near comparable to Imperial Germany in terms of contemporary military power, The Argerntina of ww1 would be a better comparison (has military, had navy, air force army, has no hope against any of the major world powers and has a relatively small and insignificant economy). However the Argentina of the early 20th century probably had less social issues and drug addicts etc than modern Russia. How about modern Russia is comparable to Turkey in 1925? Post imperial collapse, staggering politically economically and diplomatic, previous empire despised by all its constituent peoples, has a military but it is shit, has an airforce but it is shit. Largely armed with leftovers of the Ottoman Empire.
Anyone even considering Russia in the top 50 military powers of the world is blinded by orc propaganda. As they've shown in Syria they can project limited power they are incapable of sustaining outside their sphere of influence, failing to accomplish anything without massive assistance from local despots. They also shown they have to retreat immediately when engaging a higher level adversary, that being Ukraine, a nation a fraction of their size and economic weight; in an engagement with NATO they would crumble in the first few minutes. Despite years of preparing for sanctions and manipulating their currency and trade in creative ways, their constant logistic frickups, their poverty, their unmotivated and poorly trained slave soldiers have resulted in casualties that have effectively crippled their ability to make decisive gains. If we're being honest Russia is a failed state bleeding to death while it flails its severed limbs at its enemies, the fact they've lied constantly about the intent of their war and failed to achieve any of their stated objectives or even the new ones they've made up along the way shows that they areas unimpressive and backward militarily as they are culturally.
>As they've shown in Syria they can project limited power they are incapable of sustaining outside their sphere of influence, failing to accomplish anything without massive assistance from local despots.
Russia completely wienerblocked the US's attempt to pull a Libya 2.0 in Syria, with both ISIS and the FSA getting blown the frick out. The war is basically over and the Assad regime has survived against all odds
True, but they did this with espionage by placing their asset in the white house to give them all the military and political concessions they wanted in Syria. It has nothing to do with the competence of their army.
My God it is some idiot from China who does not realise how the USA and the EU or NATO are vastly vastly more powerful that China could ever be. Why bother? I mean it is not like the aud9icence for this propaganda, half-witted Chinese speaking only impoverish slaves in China are on chans anyway. China is nota military or economic rival to the EU, it is not a military or diplomatic rival to NATO, it is not a diplomatic or economic rival to the G7. It is not a competitor with the USA. We had all this shit from Russia for years and years. China is the same worthless moronic propaganda for the domestic audience bullshit. Stop and consider how many moronic soviet commie weapons China uses. Even the moronic Russian air defense crap. Consider the EU or even the UK with modern NATO standard aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines western elite light infantry like parachute regiments and the FFL, SAS, KSK etc etc Western artillery, satellites, missiles, Eurofighters etc etc etc. All this bullshit about how China is going to rival the USA. China is never ever going to rival teh EU let alone the USA and never ever ever ever the USA and EU or something like NATO. It is sickening watching this shit coming from Chinese belligerents given the only reason they are not starving on a maoist collective agricultural farm is that the westa dn America in particular decided to try and elevate them to democracy via economic prosperity and made china a preferred trading partner. The reason china is less shit today than it was in 1980 is ENTIRELY due to the USA. Chona has learned nothing though it has not adopted the democracies, rule of law, freedom of expression and property rights that make western nations so successful and prosperous and powerful. China has made it self repugnant to its sponsor the USA and it not going to be let rot under its nasty squalid dark ages style tyranny. China is a military threat only to its own civilians
>Turkey
Roachfricker/10
Lol India is only a military power on paper, they are barely able to operate the nice stuff they buy, chinks at least have a military industrial complex.
Source: My ass
China is only impressive in numbers, the only reason people take them seriously is cause the US overestimates all its enemies
china
usa
russia
turkey
all of europe
chinks above the US? what are you smoking
This is the only true and definitive answer.
>Russia in top 10
Found the moron.
They still are, not matter how you meme American vassal states.
You have to meme pretty hard to put that shithole above anyone with functioning army.
Do you think UK, France, Germany or Turkey could wage such a long and sustained war?
Not him.
The answer is no.
They will need to be bankrolled and sent stuff from USA and their other allies.
>such a long and sustained war
It's been 6 months...
France, UK and Germany would be out of missiles by now.
Especially precice ones.
You mean like Russia did months ago?
You mean like they would be also firing anti air missiles at ground targets like Russia too?
Get the frick out of here
Russia has never had precice missiles tho.
So they can't run out of them, since they never had them in the first place.
They've been firing hundreds of missiles per month and are still doing it to this day moron. It's the only way they could hit targets deep inside Ukraine given they can't use their air force due to Ukranian AA.
The euros only have on average 200 tanks which half probably aren't even ready to be used. The Ukies and Russians lost that amount each month in the begining
Nah, they really don't. They are doing the poor gay cobra rocket moves from hinds and su24s Russia run out of PGMs along time ago and have resorted to wasting S300s on land targets because well let's be honest, they aren't hitting air targets any time soon.
>Quality > Quantity
Look at the effect of modern western intelligent weapons in Ukraine, its clear the old doctrine of 100 grads doesn't work anymore.
Russia #1
Seems like a pretty good ranking in my opinion.
Poland should be in place of france.
1# North Korea.
Juche is unironically based and what America wishes it still was.
Go live there
Something you put together on a cheap version of powerpoint is as moronic as you homosexual
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php
>globalfirepower
the most moronic ranking website ever
Not perfect but there is no other credible rankings that even comes close
Your moronic, consider education.
Lmfao wiener gobbler detected
Says the guy who thinks Global firepower is an accurate website. Christ what a dumb frick.
Get off your bf's wiener for a few seconds and find a single other source then homosexual
Go on each nations military website then cross check that with other reliable sources you insufferable homosexual. It's wildly inaccurate.
>credible
In what world?
It is not moronic but just missused. Its name is "Global Firepower" and it shows firepower pretty well, though dumb Black folk think it's the only factor that matters and use it as a "who's better" list, ignoring other 99% of shit that makes armies good.
>though dumb Black folk think it's the only factor that matters and use it as a "who's better" list, ignoring other 99% of shit that makes armies good.
So literally what that anon just did
>calling OP a moron then cites GFP
Why are you a hypocrite
Like this for instance. GFP isn't perfect but it's better than the lists with Turkey top 5 or South Korea above India lmfao. Those are genuinely moronic and people are trying to be contrarians to make themselves look smarter.
US
France
UK
China
SK
Imagine unironically thinking France and the UK are above China. They aren't even above India anymore lmfao. China is leagues beyond either of them and China is closer to the US than France and the UK are to China.
what experience does china even have you moronic Black person homosexual? france and the foreign legion have doctrines they've tried and tested, the chinks doctrine hasn't
judging by chink videos its all fluff and show of force, would probably collapse like a building made of match sticks
>Muh experience!
Post WW2, most nations outside the US haven't gotten much experience. This is your only cope against the reality of Chinese dominance. China has more of everything including an economy that is nearly 6x larger than either of them. UK and French soldiers having a bit more """experience""" from WW2 is not going to help them defeat a country that is leagues beyond it. It's like comparing an ant to a boot. Economic strength is and has always been the best indicator of military strength because countries with high GDPs have high tax revenues to sustain wars. And in the case of China, their massive manufacturing base means they can manufacture a lot of the weapons they need in short order.
homosexuals like you just don't want to admit that the West sans the US is not very strong anymore.
Adding onto this, if you were to simply rank the countries by nominal GDP, by PPP, and by military budgets, you'd come up with 3 lists better than what most of the bozos on here come up with. Japan is the only country that would be overrated by this measure because their Constitution forbids them from having a true military.
For decades the main enemy of the west has been Russia, they are infinitely more experienced than the Chinese and arguable had better equipment and tactics.
Right now they are stalled a few miles into what was poorest country in Europe.
What chance in holy hell does China have? Its the most accident prone nation on the planet.
Bongland gave you too much opium
China has a much stronger economy, a fact which a lot of you don't seem to fully comprehend. Assuming China continues receiving oil from Russia and the Middle East, they would be able to totally crush a country like Ukraine. Russia's GDP is a pathetic 1.5 trillion. China's GDP is 20 trillion with the highest manufacturing capacity on the planet. They'd be able to fund their war and blitzkrieg a country like Ukraine with overwhelming numbers and finances. In short, China > Russia in 2022. Russia is a paper tiger on its way out. The only ways it can stay relevant are nukes and oil+gas revenues.
Assuming a country like Ukraine is on their borders ofc. Taiwan is going to fall to China inevitably because we simply can not stop them right in their neighborhood so close to their mainland.
Lol do you realize that China is going to be broken up into about 30 countries soon
Think of it this way, the Uighurs, Tibetans, Mongols, Manchus, Wu ethnic group around Shanghai, Maio peoples of southern china, cantonese, fujianese, etc. are going to be on the side of the west when this happens and they will be rewarded with being another US colony
Unreal levels of cope. The US is more likely to break apart than China.
>Lol do you realize that China is going to be broken up into about 30 countries soon
Fox News boomer cope
China is like 90% Han and the Han are actively culturally genociding the remaining 10%
Wrong stay mad moron
They have literally 10 times the population of Russia. That alone lets them mog them.
Don't forget more than 11x the GDP. The extent to which China mogs Russia is lost on people. Russia's tech and existing equipment is the only reason you can argue them over China. But 10 years from now, the difference between Russia and China will be so vast it'll be laughable.
Doesn't mean shit, China is as fragile as well China. Your mentally ill if you think they could survive
this scenario.
In reality China would struggle in a real war against a country like Thailand or the Philippines and this is no exaggeration, they simply do not have the genetics for combat
The Chinese military may be big, but they're basically just a glorified military police force at this point. The one thing that made them a terror in Korea - being used to such shitty conditions that they could march through mountains with a full pack on a single bowl of rice a day - is no longer something they can do. The only part of the Chinese military that is potentially threatening is their nuclear arsenal, and I'd be interested to see how their literally 'made in China' tier missiles preform outside of carefully scripted PR stunts.
The threat from China to the west today is economic and political, not military.
Are you crazy, Slovakian army is shitty
UK is above China.
France is above Turkey
Japan and India shouldn't even be on there.
US
China
UK
Japan
SK
France
Maybe China has more naval tonnage but the UK can move its carrier groups to anywhere in the world and has done so in previous wars. Until we see China take Taiwan, we can only assume their air and ground forces are equipped with Chinesium and would fold against their battle tested and experienced English counterparts. Point is, the UK rates above China.
Fair point, but it is hard to ignore the sheer fricking number of shit they have and are capable of spewing out. As you say it could mean nothing if it is indeed chinesium (99% chance it is)
It sucks everything on China is speculation. It's a dirty mentality, but I want to see them put everything they have on paper to work, and Taiwan is the only situation where that would occur.
>Turkey
1. USA
2. UK
3. France
4. Japan
5. South Korea
6. Australia
7. Israel
8. Poland
9. Turkey
10. Germany
If your top 10 includes China or Russia you're objectively wrong, btw
Say the one that includes fricking Germany out all nations.
Your point? They have the economy and industry to frick up your mongols
That works for me
Finland should be on that list, and Germany should not.
I'd easily put Turkey above Australia, they have shown they can manage large scale conventional fronts in Syria and are well acquainted with counterinsurgency at home. What has Australia done besides tag along with American coalitions?
I'm willing to concede on pretty much most of that list except top 3 and that russia/china do not deserve top 10
Israel mogs Australia anyday.
t. Aussie
Your diggers arent worth shit
Nuclear powers:
US
Russia
China
UK
France
India
Israel
Pakistan
North Korea
Land:
US
SK
Russia
Poland
Turkey
Air:
US
SK
UK
Japan
Israel
Sea:
US
UK
France
Japan
SK
>Rating South Korea so high
Why?
Land: obvious
Air: based on # of operational F35s or F22s, nothing else really matters anymore
Sea: based on # of modern acc, subs, and destroyers, could be higher in a few years as they are developing a nuclear sub, also brazil could join this list soon as they are also developing nuclear subs
>Land: obvious
Not really? They have a large amount of old equipment. By that thinking Russia should be a superpower.
>Air: based on # of operational F35s or F22s, nothing else really matters anymore
Well then your ratings are totally fricked, look at the amount of F-35s delivered.
>nuclear submarine operated by brazilians
Well that's a horrifying thought
Not the author, but it’s a large, Western-style military.
SK shill. They produce some good cheap stuff but it's questionable if they can use it. They should be 3 places lower in every area.
Also Turkey should be above Poland in the Land area. Hell, Poland shouldn't be there at all.
Other than that, the most adequate rating ITT.
Israel far above Japan in air. No question
>Turkey
>France
>India
>China
>NUMBER BIG SO AUTOMATICALLY GOOD
>WHAT IS FORCE PROJECTION????????
>DOES IT MATTER WE RELY ON OTHER NATIONS TO DO OUR SHIT ABROAD????
France hasn't needed to rely on anyone for their African operations and can likely sustain themselves further if they needed. It wouldn't be on the scale as the UK or the US, but compared to the other countries at least they could show up to the fight.
>France hasn't needed to rely on anyone for their African operations
I guess your new here.
>It wouldn't be on the scale as the UK
What makes you think the UK would have done better than france? They've been doing jack shit since iraq
Hmm maybe because France had to rely on the UK to carry its African operation from 2013 until they left? Both strategically and tactically? Also the UK has a giant fleet auxiliary that France doesn't have.
Do you live under a rock, new or just moronic?
france essentially relied on the US, the UK were pretty irrelevant in comparison but that's not my question. now calm down and read the posts seething britboi
>just the US now maybe abit of the UK
So we can agree they cannot manage there own operations and logistics then?
>But that didn't answer my question
UK had the only heavy helicopter airlift in all of the Mali operation, the fact the UK has never needed to use any French logistics proves they are the more capable nation.
>Britboi
Sorry to hurt your fragile feelings frogger
>So we can agree they cannot manage there own operations and logistics then?
>there
cringe
also never said they could, i was just asking the other poster what made him think the UK could do it alone. if only you could just read instead of instantly pissing your pants because france is mentioned.
>the fact the UK has never needed to use any French logistics proves they are the more capable nation.
UK hasn't been an active military since Iraq.
>Sorry to hurt your fragile feelings frogger
German. It's just funny how rent free the frogs live in britbois heads.
Are you moronic or somthing if nation x cannot manage its own logistics but nation y can then by logic nation y would fair better in the conflict by itself. Oh your German, no wonder you haven't a clue about a working military.
The last UK military activity was Afganistan, you thinking it was Iraq only further proves your lack of knowledge. Also the UKs deployments are huge compared to Frances.
>Are you moronic or somthing if nation x cannot manage its own logistics but nation y can then by logic nation y would fair better in the conflict by itself.
You still haven't read my question and you're still acting like an angry homosexual.
>The last UK military activity was Afganistan
Hiding in your base isn't military activity, I know you know.
Why do brits get so angry and insecure when france is mentioned?
Not him, but you know the UK has done larger foreign deployments than France has? Why are you seething so much about the UK?
>you know the UK has done larger foreign deployments than France has
when? with no foreign support?
>Why are you seething so much about the UK?
why are brits seething so much about france?
what i don't like is how brits act so arrogantly when it comes to french army when their respective armies are basically 1:1 and brits are literally the only one to do that
>Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afgan, Sierra Leone, N.Ireland, Falklands etc etc
We handle our own logistics and for 10x the size of Mali, don't drag us down with your shitty rep
No one's seething, you just need putting in your place now and again.
Not only did the UK benefited from huge logistical support by the US during those latest conflicts (Iraq and Afghanistan) but the UK hasn't been on a foreign intervention by itself for decades. You don't even compare.
>don't drag us down with your shitty rep
Again, I'm German. What's up with brits who can't fricking read?
>You don't even compare.
Why? I mean their military is built to do it better than France's. I don't get this anti-British seething you French do.
I mean even today in the Nato Deployment the UK has like 90 tanks deployed, France and Germany have maybe 12 combined?
It's pretty sad you have to blow the French horn (literally) because you are so substantially pathetic you aren't recognisable as Germany any more.
>Nato Deployment
Is that supposed to impress anyone?
>It's pretty sad you have to blow the French horn (literally) because you are so substantially pathetic you aren't recognisable as Germany any more.
I'm not a country, i'm a person. Real life isn't countryballs you moron.
What's sad is seeing britbois getting anally blasted by the sole mention of the word "france" for some reason
No it's not its supposed to show how pathetically unprepared for combat you both are when an island is more capable and prepared for a land war than nations that aren't far from Russias borders. You can deflect all you want though it's pretty cringe.
Your not a person your a sad, sad shadow of your former ancestors.
>when?
2001, 2003, 2018 I guess, I don't follow the British military so could be more.
>with no foreign support?
I guess last time with no support was 1983.
>why are brits seething so much about france?
I followed replies and it seemed to start
with French seething
>I followed replies and it seemed to start
What makes you think the UK would have done better than france? They've been doing jack shit since iraq (You) with French seething
That's my post and I'm german. As I fricking stated 3 times.
The French REALLY do live rent free in british heads
>B-b-but I am German
No one cares, frick off loser we occupied you for decades. Probably pissed in your people's gardens and smashed up your local boozer while you stood helpless.
>That's my post and I'm german
I think you are deflecting and French. Why else would you get bothered by the British doing something better than the French?
I'm sorry my superiority has triggered the continental gaylords once again.
digits confirm butthurt eurogays
>no, in fact, you're the one who's mad haha!
Can't read a question, can't answer to one. Can barely spell. Embarassing.
>What makes you think the UK would have done better than france?
Larger logitics? Why would the UK do as well as France?
neither could do this kind of military operations without us support
Why?
neither france or the uk have the logistic capabilities
While France did need support, it wasn't do or die support. The could have done it without any assistance just not as well.
Not true at all. They required support from Canada Denmark US UK, it ranged from C17s to Chinooks to medium helicopters. Its really really embarresing from a military point of view you need that level of help in Strategic and Tactical areas.
This. France needed alot more support not only from the US and UK but many other nations.
>This.
How can you even tell? The UK has never been in this situation.
>UK sails 10k troops 13000km, conducts Amphibious landings without air supperiority against an enemy with a 3:1 advantage, loses all helicopters so has to march all over the island kicking the shit out of the Argies all the way. Conducts the longest bombing run in history, becomes the only nation to sink a ship with a nuclear submarine btfos conventional military in 2 months
>France, can't deploy 5000 soldiers 3000km away without help from tens of friendly nations logistical help, gets bullied and has to leave years later
We are not the same.
A 40yo conflict where you got your ass handed to you by fricking argentinians of all things, Maggy had to threaten to nuke buenos aires because your ships were getting rekt by (french) exocets missiles
glorious indeed lmao
Thanks for the concession, hopefully one day both Germany and France can surpass the Polish military again until then you are both barely relevant.
>Thanks for the concession
Running away from the conversation doesn't make you win but bravery isn't a british trait after all.
I mean your resorted to sperging out about Margaret thatcher like your a labour party member or somthing you hardly deserve a structured reply do you?
>Bravery
>Be France, lose entire nation in a few weeks
>Forever laughed at for being cowards, surrender monkeys etc etc
>Bravery
>Be the UK, lose the war on the continent on a few weeks
>Run away like a b***h while the french cover your ass in dunkirk
>hide on your island and wait for years while the USA and the USSR are doing the work
Impressive!
Sometimes I wish the UK had been in the place of France instead of cowering behind the sea.
I could correct this but your information is so incorrect it'd take multiple posts.
Just sit on your ass and seethe about instead
homosexual brit
Does it hurt on the annual ww2 remembrance days when you have to sit it out and look at all the big dicks who saved you?
>whataboutisms
The crying continental has transcended into armatard
>NOOOOO YOU CANT DO WHATABOUTSISMS!!!!!! IM THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN NOOOOOOOOOOOO
moron.
So have you said a correct thing today yet?
Tell me you know nothing about UK logistics without using that phrase.
France couldn't manage a tiny deployment to Africa by themselves, a token force of only 5000 could not be sustained without foreign intervention.
A nation so incapable of such a small mission cannot be regarded as a world power.
France only had 5000 troops in Mali? Wow the way they talk about it, it sounded much bigger than that. That's not impressive at all.
We sent what the mission required. You're both huffing that refined copium.
The mission failed, maybe send more than a token force next time you want to be relevant. You think France would have learned its lesson since the tiny gulf war contribution.
Which kind of military operation? 5000 troops to Mali kek? We could do that with a 2 C17s and a few Chinooks.
>We could do that with a 2 C17s and a few Chinooks.
An actual moron typed this post.
Oh no no no don't say that frogbro you'll anger the b*ngs.
numbers to matter to a certain extent, having a extremely modern yet tiny military should not put a country on the top 10 list in my opinion
aka
>Israel
>Finland
>Germany
Swap Turkey and UK and put South Korea in Japan's spot, and it's breddy gud
the amount of people making rankings based upon how much they like and dislike a country is amazing
1. USA
2. China
3. UK
4. France
5. Russia
6. Japan
7. Turkey
8. India
9. Israel 🙂
10. South Korea
USA
Russia
China
>>>>>
Everyone else
Nukes exist, get over it already. Sniff your copium and cry in a corner that you're relevant if you're not one of the big three.
Nukes won't ever be used in a war. Cope seethe etc.
They're already in use.
That nuclear power plant in Ukraine is one big nuke that both sides want to use without making it go boom. The question is which side will go full moron first.
>nuclear plant is one big le nuke
get lost reddit
Chernobyl wants a word with you.
Zaporozhye is bigger, too.
The UK alone could wipe out Russias air and sea forces
Really the ranking is:
USA
China
UK/France
The rest
>The UK alone could wipe out Russias air and sea forces
Anyone could do that.
UK can't wipe its own arse without daddy USA. Go back in the corner.
> we were empire once
Were. Past tense.
Bongs and Frogs have nukes too, as do Pakis and Norks
They lack quantity AND quality.
Everyone who matters has nuke already dumbass, and comparing chinas to uk’s nuclear arsenal is like comparing a Chinese car to a British one. Enough said
China has the world's largest automotive industry, the British automotive industry collapsed 4 decades ago.
>can’t even grasp the point
Why do I bother even pissing your way
Nukes are a deceptive metric, a lot of US allies are covered under the US nuclear umbrella but if they wanted to could easily produce more nukes than the total in the world combined today, think if SK, Germany and Japan were no longer covered by the US nuclear umbrella, they would have 100k+ warheads inside of a year
SK would
Krauts would not because they fear nuclear energy, they will not build nukes
Japanese might if they ever revoke article 9
Take out nukes and the UK and France are probably barely top 10 maybe not even top 10
China is worthless, they can have a trillion "soldiers" but other than bullying India they can't do chit particularly against a modern military
Russia has a decent mentality for fighting wars in that they dgaf and way more likely to find typical russians willing to pick up a rifle and fight with far more frequency than in the west but they are monkey level iq from a command and control perspective and also can't compete against a modern military
Other than the US the only country that have a full combined arms military system on a MODERN level is South Korea, full stop, period, finito, hasta la manana, sayonara, homosexuals
> take out nukes
Stop reading there. 1 nuke in the middle of Seoul and your beloved South Korea is GG no RE.
That is why one nuke from NK takes out London, Paris or LA, three nukes from Russia sinks Britain into the atlantics, see how I did that to homosexual?
This is why nuclear weaponry is the ultimate determinant of national power and precisely why SK mogs every nation other than the US, China/Russia/India have nukes but their quality is so bad its just as likely they blow themselves up, Israel would get jumped by 90%+ of the world if they ever used nukes in an offensive scenario, UK/France have very dated technology and no ability to produce advanced weapons in any meaningful numbers
There's nobody else that is even close to the above
> three nukes from Russia sinks Britain into the atlantics
Yes, please!
> nuclear weaponry is the ultimate determinant of national power
Correct.
> SK mogs every nation other than the US
SK can't mog even NK, the laughing stock of the entire planet.. Not to mention the constant american reassurance that if something happens, US will help. It's not even regional power.
Cool, when was the last time South Korea projected force... anywhere?
They can't even protect themselves from the North without American help
Lol are you kidding? Not including the US, SK is the only nation other than Australia that has deployed over 200,000+ combat troops since WWII
> citation needed
Most US operations are supplemented by US combat troops, you can google it yourself, started with Vietnam where over 200,000+ combat troops deployed and had a kill ratio more than 3x US troops, it was pretty brutal stuff and the UK even has a statue in the UK to memorialize all of the unfortunate atrocities committed by the SK marines
So, literally ONLY Vietnam?
> they did 3x better than US
Kek.
The only combat effectiveness metric that is not debatable is kill ratio, in Vietnam the SK military had a better kill ratio than the US military, also there were over 325,000+ SK combat troops deployed in Vietnam
Others:
Iraq: 20,000
Afghanistan: 5,000
Lebanon: 4,000
Somalia: 4,200
East Timor: 3,300
Angola: 600
Western Sahara: 550
South Sudan: 300
There are a lot more but other than the US there is no modern country that even comes close to post-WW2 combat deployments
Counting your KDR against your own civilian population doesn't count Kim
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_South_Korea
Da fuk you sucking on cum guzzler?
Kill ratio is combat troops only and we don't frick around, pull something like a jan 6 in SK and see how well that works out for the deplorables lolol
>pull something like a jan 6 in SK and see how well that works out
It already happened, and you let Nork commandos make their way entirely to your white house and then only managed a 1-1 KDR
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid
Israel has a tested modern combined arms system, the only one other than America. The UK as well. Japan low key as well (they can take SK). You don’t know squat, moron
Israel is not even top 10 and if the US did not secure their interest it would be erased inside of a few weeks even western europe is not necessarily a real trusted ally for Israel + Israel is fighting against ragheads who are notoriously bad at war, that said Israel should stand ideally forever, its among the few nations keeping the sandmonkeys in check
1 US
2 China
3 Russia
4 India
5 France
6 UK
7 Israel
8 Pakistan
9 North Korea
10 South Korea
>(You)
The Anglosphere, Nordic countries, and Israel are the only competent combats on earth. China and Russia are a joke as are the rest of the world.
True rankings just dropped based on 100% objective criteria:
1 South Korea
2 US
3 Rest of the world combined
true, SK is so far ahead of anyone else it is not even funny
isn't SK military just build for one thing
Full blow war against North Korea
Like NK builds something, SK builds a weapon against it
I have no doubt about their strength outside of this scenario but they'd probably rank lower because of their current "single threat" military
SK primary mission is NK but its far more complicated than that, in reality its also a forward combat force for the US coalition in the Pacific + SK focused on having the strongest military in the region in the event things start to get really crazy
But even the NK focus should not be understated
The Korean peninsula is about the size of the British island, 85,000 square miles compared to 84,000 square miles
However as a single data point, there are 9,000+ main battle tanks on the Korean peninsula. In comparison there are 9,000 main battle tanks in ALL of Europe to include Ukraine, Germany, Poland, UK, France, Sweden, Netherlands, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Hungary, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Moldova, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, Czech, Slovakia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Ireland, etc.
The US has 6,600 main battle tanks.
That is just main battle tanks as a metric, a similar trend is with other weapons systems. In reality the Korean peninsula is the greatest concentration of firepower in the history of humankind and its not even close.
No one cares about SK you idiot go back to making TVs
Go back to getting butt plowed by your bbc homosexual, EVERYBODY cares about SK its the truth and even a homosexual like you knows it deep down in your buttvag you fricking gay
Nope they don't, sorry. Most of their stuff is old ass shit and steel helmets, they are Iraq 1991 tier
Not sure who you are talking to but in the mic industry SK stuff is the hottest topic for the past few years, you are living under a rock or an internet fanboy if you don't know this
I don't give a flying frick about SK. Their porn is kinda shit.
Because you are a troony and love wiener, /k is for weapons and military stuff
1. the United States of America
2. the People's Republic of China
3. the Russian Federation
4. the Republic of India
5. the Republic of Turkey
6. the Republic of France
7. the United Kingdom
8. the Empire of Japan
9. the Republic of Korea
10. the Republic of Italy
> Turkey
Get nukes first and then we'll talk. You have no place in top 8.
I'd put France def before Turkey and maybe even on par with China; lots of combat experience and the only other country after the US with a complete combat proven arsenal
Japan is kinda hard to judge, because while their military is superb, just like South Korea, they are kind of single purpose
I wouldn't put Turkey this high
while they have lots of experience, they lack modern equipment and their logistics isn't properly sized
Honorable mentions for the next ~5 places would be
Pakistan - nearly on par with India
Israel - comparable small but probably one the best trained and equipped standing forces AND reserves
Germany - not necessarily in a solo country vs country war but they have a HUGE pile of modern next gen weapons (like bunker busting missiles and THE best SHORAD) and probably the best logistics after the US
The only nations that have deployed more than 200,000+ combat troops post WWII other than the US are South Korea and Australia, as the US knows whenever they call on SK for combat support their kill ratio far exceeds the US, no other modern nation has any meaningful combat heritage or experience
>vatnik cope in this thread
Russia would get annihilated in days by every modern industrialized military
They have literally zero counter play against Precision-guided munition
Their Anti Air defense Systems are so outdated that almost every modern aircraft has enough defense mechanism against it
And half their stockpile isn't even working
The only positive about them is manpower, domestic oil production and theoretical technological advantages (if their systems would actually be build instead of trickling money into corruption)
There is no fricking way India and Turkey are above the UK
>thread about military rank
>bong seeth about frog for no reason
every fricking time
anyway here's mine
1. US
------------
BIG GAP
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2. UK
3. France
4. China...?
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smol gap
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5. Russia (pre war)
6. Israel
7. India (in def war)
8. SK...? (maybe AUS)
>Frog spergs
>Bong bullies him
It's perfectly natural
>US
>UK
>China
>Japan
>SK
>India
>France
SK is easily also the most competent in actual combat
In this incident Somali pirates hijacked a Norwegian owned ship, SK deployed their commandos supported by helicopter gunships with an end result of 100% Somali pirates killed, 100% crew freed, 0% SK casualties, this kind of stuff happens every day
What were South Koreans even doing down there near Somalia anyway?
SK military forces all over the world playing the good guys
Your welcome Norway
If this kind of stuff happens every day why is the single (1) example you point to as an example of combat prowess going overkill on some somali fishermen 11 years ago
>The operation was seen as a huge success by the media, who noted the strong response to the pirates in contrast to the South Korean government's response to several North Korean provocations that had occurred in previous months such as thebombardment of Yeonpyeong
Hahahahaha there it is, you cucked out to the Norks and had to flex on some guys in a dhingy to save your pride, lmao
There are over 1,000+ similar incidents that are public on google, in reality the true numbers are probably a lot more
This has chink or nip hands all over this seethe cope, sorry chink/nip you are npcs and not even considered human by the world, everybody considers it morally justified to nuke chinks/nips lmfao
Brazil
Afghanistan
Papua Guinea
Rhodesia
USA
1. USA
2. Free Space
3. Bugmen
4. Eurocucks
5. SnowBlack folk
6. Poos
7. SandBlack folk
8. Latinxers
9. Wakanda
The UK should annex the Isle of Man and Ireland and buff the British military tbh
USA
UK
China
Japan
France
SK
Asking the question could X defeat Y if that was an objective and given a few years prep like Russias war on Ukraine. No nukes on cities, but the defender if have they them can use Vs a fleet or tacticaly.
The rest are either land armies militia, without power projection, or very niche defensive power like Finland.
> UK at #2.
lol, moron detected.
I'd put the UK as second as well. Nuclear subs just go hard, and the British ones are top shit. UK military intelligence is first rate as well. Air force is competently run with modern missiles, ground forces have good training and equipment.
If Ukraine taught us anything it's that quality of equipment, doctrine, training, and intelligence kick the shit out of sheer numbers.
The only reason why the UK is top 5 is because of the nuclear subs, UK intel is effectively a forward listening post for the US intel network, its all controlled by the US and the UK is no different than any other US colony, air force is only decent because they are finally buying the F35, they are trying to get rid of the eurofighter as quickly as possible and the tempest meme program is just their way to ask the US for more F35s, ground forces are a joke, not even top 30 and countries like Turkey and Poland would steamroll UK in a ground war
I feel bad for you bro, clearly you are upset.
> I feel bad for you bro, clearly you are upset.
Dumbass, I'm laughing at you monkeys thinking anybody believes you have a real military, you can't even protect your own women from the shitskin grooming sex slave gangs homosexual lol
Clearly to have those images saved you must find yourself feeling threatened quite alot. Are you a victim? You seem like a victim.
Now that you have conceded defeat and acknowledge the inferiority of your "military" its time for you to go back to cum guzzling and stuffing bbc in your "boi" hole these are your true talents
>, I'm laughing at you monkeys thinking anybody believes you have a real military, you can't even protect your own women from the shitskin grooming sex slave gangs homosexual lol
Sorry for invading your country at some point LMAO
Its ok you are now a colony of my country now so know your place
I rank Japan pretty high because they are an island nation with a god tier navy.
Japanese subs don’t even have missiles, torpedos only lol
Damn I guess the Japanese Navy is truly not one of the best in the world
Correct.
Subs with no missiles.
Aircraft carriers that are converted helicopter carriers.
Decent destoryers though.
>still more and better subs than most countries
>still more and better carriers than most countries
>way better destroyers than most countries
Name 10 countries with a better navy.
1. USA
2. China
3. South Korea
4. Japan
5. France
6. UK
7. Turkey
8. Poland
9. Russia
10. Germany
No way China is that high, China is below Russia and Japan is below China, Turkey is underrated and probably between France and UK, otherwise fairly accurate
In some respects China is far more advanced and capable than America. (e.g., its industrial supply chain is 100x more robust and much larger, it has more high-IQ manpower and less "diversity," etc.)
In other respects, America still has the clear advantage.
A war between the two is impossible to predict or simulate. One can only speculate that China would have the edge in the eastern Pacific. (If the war expands, it inevitably goes nuclear, so there's no use speculating on a Chinese attack on the American mainland, or vice versa -- the scenario can only be a limited engagement around Taiwan.)
China loses because it cannot feed their people or their machines without imports. NEXT
Cope. China has an extremely robust overland supply chain for food, and it's more self-sufficient than you realize. Besides, the USA just forced Russia and China into a shotgun wedding.
>10% to 15% maximum land suitable for agriculture
>for 1.4 billion people
>"self sufficient"
Yeah after about a billion of their people starve they should be good to go. Until then, they're no where near capable of being self sufficient. Cope.
This is not 1970s anymore Black person.
China is #1 producer in almost every agricultural output item
No, they can feed their people but they lose because they historically absolutely suck and war, probably only better than India, that is why these nations or billions can’t succeed in even a single war
implessive
We don't really know where China is at the moment until they start shit over Taiwan. We were all over rating the Russians 6 months ago.
So many morons putting China as 1 or 2 when they have not been in a serious military conflict in recent history.
Where are you drawing this conclusion from?
Chinese propaganda
This, Russia would probably mog China in a war and Russia can’t even take Ukraine, let that sink in
They beat the USA in Korea the 1950s, contrary to everybody's expectations.
They beat Vietnam through the 1980s.
They are adept at attaining all of their geopolitical objectives.
> B-but they didn't get their asses handed to them by Talichads over the past twenty years!
Cope homie.
yeah you dont know anything kid
That’s a really bad example that makes your argument worse.
The Chinese under the CCP haven't lost a conflict. The US keeps losing.
> B-but muh experience!!
It completely ignores the nuance of those conflicts. It’s gamblers fallacy. It’s like saying “sports team A has won more than sports tram B, therefore, when sports team A plays sports team B, sports team A will win” without looking at anything else. Bad analysis. The kind of linear thinking i would expect from a slant-eyed, straight-pubed, mongoloid.
The "nuance" is that the CCP Chinese literally don't know defeat. They fight until they win. The Americans, in contrast, don't know how to win. They fight until they get bored or distracted or fed up, and then quit in disgrace.
Hahahahahaha
>They beat the USA in Korea the 1950s,
Didn't happen. SK still exists and has grown into a close and powerful US ally.
>They beat Vietnam through the 1980s.
Also didn't happen. They failed harder than the US did.
>They are adept at attaining all of their geopolitical objectives.
Taiwan is right there bro, just take it.
>Also didn't happen. They failed harder than the US did.
Holy cope. They lost less men, they attained their objectives, and they permanently gained territory. (Which they still hold and never plan on giving back.) Also, Vietnam has been permanently cucked as a potential rival or strategic threat. Basically, it has become a Chinese client state.
>Didn't happen. SK still exists and has grown into a close and powerful US ally.
Please explain the UN having nearly all of the Korean peninsula under control prior to Chinese intervention lmfao
Size. Technological advancement and number of various weapons. Manufacturing and logistics capability. Remember China has like 5 times as many people as the US and are the world's preeminent manufacturing power.
1. Canada
2. Mongolia
3. Russia
4. USA
5. Iceland
6. India
1. US (king of logistics and systems, command and control, and special operations, nukes)
2. UK (highest trained standard infantry in the world with highest per-solider spending by quite some margin, nukes and a small but potent navy and air force)
3. FRANCE (always seems to get a lot done on the cheap, plus they have a higher operation tempo than most others, nukes and a small but potent navy and airforce)
4. China (completely green and inexperienced at all ranks, huge number of soldiers and materiel, fastest growing navy in the world, nukes, up and coming air force)
5. Doesn’t matter if the aforementioned are involved.
As far as best of the rest go, Finland, Denmark, South Korea, Turkey, Canada, Italy all have decent equipment and training, I just doubt their ability to stick it out in a large conflict on their own for more than a year. Russia doesn’t make the list because they’ve shown to be very incompetent. India doesn’t make the list because everything they do is a farce or pretense combined with being completely green like china, but with atrocious training standards and garbage equipment (except for a handful of units).
Agreed 100%
So what do you use as a general guideline for military strength? Raw numbers? Raw funding? Projection capacities? Personally I think average funding per soldier is a good general metric for how shit an army is
My criteria are
1. Does the country have a self sufficient military industrial complex?
2. Does the country have a modern military?
3. Does the country have allot of professional troops?
4. Is the country overal developed/industrialized?
5. Can the country hold it's own in a war?
6. (bonus) does the country have a full scale modern era combat experience?
So why is China #2 and why is India even on the list?
China marks allot of those check marks, but now to think of it India does not really belong in the top 10..
US
China
UK
Turkey
South Korea
France
India
North Korea
Russia
1. United States of America
2. China
3. Russia
4. India
5. UK
6. France
7. Pakistan
Those are the top 7 and I've separated the different tiers. Mfs just try to disagree with this to try to be different. BTW GFP's rankings are mostly pretty good considering that they account for a variety of factors, including economic might. I still think they over-rate Japan and SK though.
>BTW GFP's rankings are mostly pretty good
post discarded
Actually moronic. You're trying to disagree with GFP for the sake of being different and making it seem like you know more because you don't use the normie ranking. The people who are citing GFP have better lists than the mfs with Turkey in their top 5.
>You're trying to disagree with GFP for the sake of being different
Does anyone use it? /k/ sure as shit doesn't
I didn't know North Korea had the 5th strongest navy in the world and the 11th mightiest air force and a stronger tank force than China. GFP rankings is shithole cope that doesn't reflect reality.
For
This. GFP over-ranks the thirdies way too much but memes aside North Korea has a shitload of submarines, they are not going to launch an invasion against a modern military but there's no way to deploy forces on North Korean soil without comically high levels of casualties
>there's no way to deploy forces on North Korean soil without comically high levels of casualties
It's called an air force. Does your country have one?
>Spam transport planes at hostile nation
>They all get shot down
>Lose comical amount of soldiers
What shit hole are you from
I have a properly inflated sense of superiority, I think you can guess.
moron, North Korea has more air defense assets than all of europe combined, they also have nukes and with their fleet of submarines can launch them at any country in the world in a kamikaze scenario
>North Korea has more air defense assets than all of europe combined,
They have more tanks that all of Europe combined if Ukraine is not counted so despite probably have thirdie tier equipment this could be true
>They have more tanks that all of Europe combined if Ukraine is not counted so despite probably have thirdie tier equipment this could be true
What are yon own about..,are you seriously shitting out North Korean statistics on what they call 'tanks' and trying to imply one of the most insane despotic failed states on earth armed almost exclusively with ancient soviet rubbish with carboard cut out body kits can somehow magically rival western European shit made by Rheinmetall? Nice B8 but moronic.
>air defense assets primarily supplied by the soviet union
>brown water subs
lol
You know, I never thought about that.
If Soviet equipment works as well in Nork hands as it does in Russian hands, they would do well not to make any trouble.
The only reason NK still exists is because it's so close to SK that they could cause massive civilian deaths and immense infrastructure damage before getting shat on. Not to mention it'd be the greatest humanitarian crisis on the planet with the sheer number of backwards, low IQ, starving, diseased North Koreans. Imagine trying to assimilate them into SK. Just ignore them, the problem will eventually kill itself.
He said precise. Russia has no precise missiles, that's why they can't hit shit meanwhile Ukraine has superior Western missiles and can actually hit shit like ammo depots and air fields.
Please explain the goal of UN intervention being to save SK and how SK being saved is a loss. It was a draw for everyone except NK.
>Please explain the goal of UN intervention being to save SK and how SK being saved is a loss.
Pic related, keep coping the UN got btfo by 300k peasants despite overwhelming advantages in air, artillery and heavy equipment.
You could argue Pakistan isn't top 7 but the top 6 at least should be pretty clear.
No way China or India are top 6 let alone top 10, there could be an argument to place them somewhere 10 to 20, but realistically China and India are both outside of the top 20
If you want to troll, make your take more believable.
This is the latest advanced technology that China is capable of a main battle tank that they claim is among the best, they aired this on national tv and the type 90s were literally breaking apart live, the level of panicmode was epic lol
russia is barely in top 10, and it's very generous of me
Dumbass. If anything Japan and South Korea are underrated and all of the thirdie nations are overrated. The biggest gripe with GFP is that it counts an F22 the same as some cheapass Chinese/Russian/Indian crap that would not even be considered operational by 1950s US standards
The true rankings
1. US
2. South Korea
3. France
4. UK
5. Japan
6. Germany
7. Turkey
8. Poland
9. Australia
10. Italy
11. Netherlands
12. Spain
13. Canada
14. Sweden
15. Denmark
16. Norway
17. Finland
18. Austria
19. Belgium
20. Switzerland
Then countries like China, Russia, India
Then everybody else
>France 3rd
>Sk 2nd
>German 6th
>Finland bellow Norway
You have to go back
Norway has F35s operational, Finland still waiting on delivery
So your telling me a few F35s will make up for the 935,000 man power gap that Norway has?
Have you escaped a lunatic asylum?
Yes.
This is not WW2, a single F35 fully armed could take out 100,000+ people on one sortie and anything that is being targeted by an F35 is basically goldfish in a pond
Are those 900k people going to stand on each other's shoulders until they can reach the F35 and bat it out of the sky? A single F35, with working logistics, could kill an infinite amount of people.
One edit, Israel is somewhere between 16 and 20
I've never seen anything more moronic.
>2. China
>3. Russia
>4. India
>7. Pakistan
moronic brown and yellow people thinking they are just as good now as their former colonial masters via lists. India has one of the most moronic air forces in existence. China is soviet crap with body kits and Pakistan is literally left6 over western commuter models. Very funny but for your own sake don't try anything or there will be a lot of dead brown and yellow people and a lot of laughing French or UK people. Any western European nation or the USA can switch off India and kill 50% of its population before they have had breakfast and then go on and do a regular workday. This is why they don't have endemic leprosy or cruelly execute children for insufficient love of Mohammed. They don't have bodies drifting in rivers or illiterate village idiots without toilets cooking dogs alive. These are real first world places with high percentages of white people. They only reason they are not occupying China, Indonesia, India, Pakistan etc is because they got bored of war after ww1 and ww2. Not because brown and yellow people made them bored of war, they were just bored of playing it against each other, If brown or yellow people have somehow managed to convince themselves that they are now mighty warriors that are able to fight these people they have gone insane based on any empirical observation possible. Its very funny and evrything until millions of brown or yellow people are dead because some stupid brown or yellow person started really believing this. Look at them with their second hand soviet communist crap and commuter model French and American planes. It is so funny and cute. Look at China with its body kits like some moronic 21 year old with his first car sticking dumb spoilers everywhere. Look it made a Disney cruise ship flat and called it an aircraft carrier. For frick sake brown and yellow people, get a grip and don't piss of the Americans or Europeans or you may wind up colonised. Again.
1. United States Airforce
2. United States Navy
3. United States Army
who cares about the rest lmao they cant even match up to one branch of the US military
China
Europe
Maybe US
Who cares about the rest
UK navy would shit all over Chinese "navy"
Uk navy is a joke that would get blown up if the USA didn't literally carry it and protect it. Stfu
Just delusional. lol. China has orders of magnitude more of everything, and a vastly greater ability to replenish losses.
Russia vs Ukraine is a good example. Or India vs Pakistan. As you can see if you have w pervading culture of pretense within your military, it doesn’t fare well against a determined opponent in should, on paper, be an easy campaign.
> As you can see if you have w pervading culture of pretense within your military, it doesn’t fare well against a determined opponent in should, on paper, be an easy campaign.
The Chinese are better off right now than the American military, which ritually abases itself before the dregs of society, ultimately harming morale and recruitment.
India vs Pakistan helps his case. India has crushed Pakistan in every war they've had despite the copes of Pakis. When the Pakis tried to invade, the Indians stopped them at the Line of Control. When the Pakis started genociding the Bengalis, the Indians btfod them and ended the war in a matter of weeks.
>Uk navy is a joke that would get blown up if the USA didn't literally carry it and protect it. Stfu
If you think otherwise you're 100% a deluded Brit, it's not the 70's anymore grandpa
But why did they put the ships doors on backwards?
You can tell how much someone understand how wars *actually* work based on where they rank China and especially India. If they rank them low, then they're probably brainlets who don't understand the extent to which raw economic might predicts military power. A country's GDP per capita can be piss poor, but if their total manufacturing capacity and total GDP is high, then they will be able to buy and produce more equipment than other countries. Countries that grow fast economically can expect to keep increasing their military budgets with time and have a lot more room to approve drastic increases to the budget in times of war. Not to mention that since costs of living are so much lower in India and China, they don't have to pay their troops as much on a per person basis while also benefiting from cheaper costs to maintain those troops' necessities (food, clothing, etc).
You can argue India 7th at worst and China 3rd at worst. 99% of the people who put them lower than that are coping Eurogays who are mad that their militaries wouldn't be able to compete.
This post displays such a delightful ignorance of history.
Dumbass brainlet and why you chinks are the worst in war, it takes a million chinese to equal one western soldier in real combat.
If china was even a top 10 military picrel would never happen. The US and the entire world knows china is about as much of a threat as any rando thirdie like pakistan or vietnam, the US fricking controls the waters immediately on chinese soil lmfao
Btw, chinese media absolutely seething about this but there ain't shit they can do and the chinese people are increasingly realizing their eternal role as defenseless bugs
China is in economic turmoil right now so they can't risk a war that would lead to the deaths of soldiers and possibly more economic pain if the world tries to sanction then. Once they get past their financial crisis of this year, they'll invade Taiwan and they'll be unstoppable there. The US will get BTFOd in that scenario esp since the average American isn't going to want to pay for another foreign war.
Keep telling yourself that homosexual, let me guess two more weeks?
>The "nuance" is that the CCP Chinese literally don't know defeat. They fight until they win. The Americans, in contrast, don't know how to win. They fight until they get bored or distracted or fed up, and then quit in disgrace.
He's not wrong on that part though US > China still
America
China
Everyone else doesn't matter besides nukes
Anyone not putting Russia 2nd is blinded by Amerimutt propaganda. As they've shown in Syria they can project significant power to the edge of their regional sphere of influence and accomplish their goals on a shoestring budget. They also shown they can more or less engage a higher level adversary, that being NATO, on a peer-to-peer level and trade blows in Ukraine. This is all while withstanding sanctions, lulzy logistics frickups that result from being poor, the woes of a conscript force, and the combined glowhomietry of the western world sabotaging them at every step of the way. If we're being honest this is the only form of conflict that matters outside of MAD dick swinging, and the fact they're proving themselves victorious while still being on a shoestring budget is commendable.
Russia lost to fricking Ukraine with some Western MANPADS lmao
Wow
>As they've shown in Syria they can project significant power
How much did they project? A dozen aircrafts?
So you rate Ukraine as number 1 then? lol
Ukraine is currently losing a war despite having more manpower and a higher military budget than Russia thanks to NATO aid
Yes, yes. Ukraine is looooooosing, we get it vatnig.
Don't forget their shiny new rifles all keyholing. China can't even make a rifle in 2022, they are a third world country.
>goal was to restore SK's border to the 38th parallel
Which was accomplished. BOOM. Thank you, I win.
>Initially
Nice way of showing you can't read
That gif proves his point, Russia still owns over 20% of Ukraine and the Ukies haven't been able to push them out via counter offensives
Yes, the gif proves his point that Russia is winning by losing half of what they initially held and being forced into WW1 trench combat. Remind me again what happened to Imperial Germany in WW1. They were "winning" vs France so I'm sure something good happened to them.
Modern Russia is no where near comparable to Imperial Germany in terms of contemporary military power, The Argerntina of ww1 would be a better comparison (has military, had navy, air force army, has no hope against any of the major world powers and has a relatively small and insignificant economy). However the Argentina of the early 20th century probably had less social issues and drug addicts etc than modern Russia. How about modern Russia is comparable to Turkey in 1925? Post imperial collapse, staggering politically economically and diplomatic, previous empire despised by all its constituent peoples, has a military but it is shit, has an airforce but it is shit. Largely armed with leftovers of the Ottoman Empire.
Anyone even considering Russia in the top 50 military powers of the world is blinded by orc propaganda. As they've shown in Syria they can project limited power they are incapable of sustaining outside their sphere of influence, failing to accomplish anything without massive assistance from local despots. They also shown they have to retreat immediately when engaging a higher level adversary, that being Ukraine, a nation a fraction of their size and economic weight; in an engagement with NATO they would crumble in the first few minutes. Despite years of preparing for sanctions and manipulating their currency and trade in creative ways, their constant logistic frickups, their poverty, their unmotivated and poorly trained slave soldiers have resulted in casualties that have effectively crippled their ability to make decisive gains. If we're being honest Russia is a failed state bleeding to death while it flails its severed limbs at its enemies, the fact they've lied constantly about the intent of their war and failed to achieve any of their stated objectives or even the new ones they've made up along the way shows that they areas unimpressive and backward militarily as they are culturally.
>As they've shown in Syria they can project limited power they are incapable of sustaining outside their sphere of influence, failing to accomplish anything without massive assistance from local despots.
Russia completely wienerblocked the US's attempt to pull a Libya 2.0 in Syria, with both ISIS and the FSA getting blown the frick out. The war is basically over and the Assad regime has survived against all odds
True, but they did this with espionage by placing their asset in the white house to give them all the military and political concessions they wanted in Syria. It has nothing to do with the competence of their army.
>Trump was a Russian asset
Frick off back to plebbit Black person
>War is over
>Barely controls 50% of country
So the combined power of Syria and Russia cannot even manage to take back its own country? I see...
My God it is some idiot from China who does not realise how the USA and the EU or NATO are vastly vastly more powerful that China could ever be. Why bother? I mean it is not like the aud9icence for this propaganda, half-witted Chinese speaking only impoverish slaves in China are on chans anyway. China is nota military or economic rival to the EU, it is not a military or diplomatic rival to NATO, it is not a diplomatic or economic rival to the G7. It is not a competitor with the USA. We had all this shit from Russia for years and years. China is the same worthless moronic propaganda for the domestic audience bullshit. Stop and consider how many moronic soviet commie weapons China uses. Even the moronic Russian air defense crap. Consider the EU or even the UK with modern NATO standard aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines western elite light infantry like parachute regiments and the FFL, SAS, KSK etc etc Western artillery, satellites, missiles, Eurofighters etc etc etc. All this bullshit about how China is going to rival the USA. China is never ever going to rival teh EU let alone the USA and never ever ever ever the USA and EU or something like NATO. It is sickening watching this shit coming from Chinese belligerents given the only reason they are not starving on a maoist collective agricultural farm is that the westa dn America in particular decided to try and elevate them to democracy via economic prosperity and made china a preferred trading partner. The reason china is less shit today than it was in 1980 is ENTIRELY due to the USA. Chona has learned nothing though it has not adopted the democracies, rule of law, freedom of expression and property rights that make western nations so successful and prosperous and powerful. China has made it self repugnant to its sponsor the USA and it not going to be let rot under its nasty squalid dark ages style tyranny. China is a military threat only to its own civilians
1. USA
2. China
3. Russia
4. India
5. Pakistan
6. France
7. UK
8. Israel
9. North Korea
10. Egypt
frick off, turkBlack person.
>not posting a template
For shame.
Can Northern-Cyprus beat Southern-Cyprus in a war?
1. Afghan insurgents
2. Vietnamese insurgents
3. Iraqi insurgents
4. Somali insurgents
5. United States
6. rest