All of their spells require direct line of sight and need to be aimed from a stick. The president can launch a nuke from his iPhone. They were right to leave us be.
He literally can't. The President of the United States does not have the ability to physically or order the use of a nuclear weapon with his iPhone. It's an intentionally convoluted and overly complicated process to prevent unauthorized launches
>If the US president, who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, decides to order the use of nuclear weapons, the briefcase would be opened. A command signal, or "watch" alert, would then be issued to the United States Strategic Command and perhaps the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The president would then review the attack options with others such as the secretary of defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and decide on a plan, which could range from the launch of a single or multiple ICBMs. These are among the preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010 (formerly the Single Integrated Operational Plan).[15] A two-person verification procedure would precede the entering of the codes into a Permissive Action Link. >Before the order can be followed by the military, the president must be positively identified using a special code issued on a plastic card, nicknamed the "biscuit".[16] The authentication is conducted between the President and the National Military Command Center Deputy Director of operations, using a two phonetic letters challenge code. The President will read from the biscuit the daily phonetic letters and the deputy director will confirm or deny if that is correct, confirming indicating the person is the president and the attack orders can be given. Down the chain of command, the United States has a two-man rule in place at nuclear launch facilities. This verification process ensures the order came from the actual president; the secretary of defense has no veto power. Many sources show that the President has sole launch authority.
From there, the attack orders are transmitted by USSTRATCOM via HFGCS radio or TACAMO aircraft.
The ones who actually give a shit about taking over the world are wizard supremacists who want overt domination rather than ruling through influence or whatever.
Yes, they are. As written, only an extremely tiny percentage of wizards even understand the muggle world, and most of all of them are the muggle-born. If both worlds were aware of each other and declared war, a particularly intelligent leader might just decide to imperius the muggle prime minister and call it a day, thinking it a job well done because they really don't know anybody or anything else. An average wizard leader would just order everybody to go out wands blazing and get wrecked.
>>they don't use them to control the world through puppet regimes
They kind of do, though. They have a direct line to the prime minister, listen to his conversations in his office whether the prime minister likes it or not. They update him on what's going on, but leave him no option other than accepting it. And maintain an inside man on his staff just because they can.
And they rearrange the prime minister's appointment with the president on a whim and without his knowledge.
For all practical intents and purposes, wizards control the muggle world.
They just don't really do anything with it since, well, what for? The muggle world has nothing they want or need. Arthur Weasley's attitude towards muggles is typical. He's basically the White British traveller visiting brown countries and being fascinated, yet belittling the quaint natives, and not taken seriously by the establishment because lol, natives.
On the one hand, Wizards SHOULD be unbeatable as assassins and saboteurs. They can teleport, turn invisible, disguise themselves, subtly start fires or destroy the foundations of buildings or enchant people to do as they command even if they're loyal. It should be trivial to collapse any modern society with HP magic even before getting into stupid stuff like "Fire that never goes out" and shit like that.
But in practice these are some of the most braindead fuckers to ever stumble out of a mentally ill woman's imagination, so 99% of them will get killed just doing something stupid.
The general unbeatable strategy for human soldiers would be "cooperate with your enemy wizard's enemies", as there's no getting around the fact that Dog-sized spiders and stone knights wielding fucking axes are considered meaningful additions to a wizard army, so in other words once you have a few wizards around to clear the "only magic can pass go" hurdle, you can do a hell of a lot of "support" with grenades and machine guns.
>wizard
HQ is a lavish castle where every room has about 5+ large windows. Weapon is a pointy stick with no sights and slow rate of fire. >SAS
Breach every window at the same time.
They only need one wizard to point out the castle in the first place, because of "concealment charm" BS.
>They only need one wizard to point out the castle in the first place, because of "concealment charm" BS.
Nah the problem is wizards can do shit like just wipe your memories in a fraction of a second or turn half of you against the other half, without magic there's no direct defense. Drones and AI systems could help a lot, I don't think Imperio/Obliviate/Crucio/Killing Curse would work on computers and wizards don't understand them at all. That and an absolutely ENORMOUS ranged advantage, if you can just snipe the wizards you see from 1000+ yd that'll help a lot.
But
This splits in two directions
On the one hand, Wizards SHOULD be unbeatable as assassins and saboteurs. They can teleport, turn invisible, disguise themselves, subtly start fires or destroy the foundations of buildings or enchant people to do as they command even if they're loyal. It should be trivial to collapse any modern society with HP magic even before getting into stupid stuff like "Fire that never goes out" and shit like that.
But in practice these are some of the most braindead fuckers to ever stumble out of a mentally ill woman's imagination, so 99% of them will get killed just doing something stupid.
The general unbeatable strategy for human soldiers would be "cooperate with your enemy wizard's enemies", as there's no getting around the fact that Dog-sized spiders and stone knights wielding fucking axes are considered meaningful additions to a wizard army, so in other words once you have a few wizards around to clear the "only magic can pass go" hurdle, you can do a hell of a lot of "support" with grenades and machine guns.
>The general unbeatable strategy for human soldiers would be "cooperate with your enemy wizard's enemies",
is probably correct that teaming up with a chunk of wizards would be the best. Fortunately there is a very convenient slice of wizards who are "muggle born" and actively discriminated against by the shitty ones and seem ripe for joining their rightful governments.
>wipe your memories in a fraction of a second or turn half of you against the other half
Requires pointing a wand and mental concentration. Sometimes even speaking magic words. Lets see how many troopers that bald fucker can "Imperio" when he's hit with a flashbang + assault team + snipers outside.
Ally with the goblins in exchange for wandlore.
>goblins
They'll be running your entire financial sector before you know it. On the bright side they do use a gold standard.
>They only need one wizard to point out the castle in the first place, because of "concealment charm" BS.
If you're on team castle (or are castle neutral) blowing up the castle is not a win condition.
The evil wizards had no central location. It was their one smart strategy.
end game of the series should have been Harry and Hermione using magic to enhance guns and BTFO of the bad guys who are completely unaware of modern technology. That's the real advantage Harry had being raised as a muggle >could literally create an AR with an endless magazine and no recoil
Rowling is too British to come to the logical conclusion that guns are better than wands for a fight
Black Company casters are deity level, old as fuck death eaters (I think every single one of them uses some sort of fetish shit). So we win if we catch them young. We lose if they're 500+ year old.
The Black Company's own pair of wizards were primarily illusionists and not particularly powerful, though they did pull off some high-level shit at the very end.
They worked well mainly because they leveraged their magic as a force multiplier for the Company's regular soldiers.
nta but Shadowrun is one of the only series that blends magic and tech in a really awesome way, including serious military usage. Pretty fun setting.
youjo senki is the only thing I can think of, if you're willing to tolerate japslop
Youjo Senki surprised me, manga is unironically bretty gud even if it is nip. Author is clearly a huge weaponboo and he picked a great setup, Second Reich uniforms and practices were pretty based. And he gets a lot of core basics of military right in a way most don't. No lone hero no matter how strong can ultimately win against overwhelming logistical and industrial superiority. Also decently does the victory trap, falling into militarism and losing sight of diplomacy and politics and the importance of recognizing force is just another tool of statesmanship, stuff like that. It's a fun enough yarn though I don't know if it'll all go to shit in the end since it's still ongoing. I heard from some people that apparently the original web novel went off the rails and got all fucking weird later.
Mahouka (Light Novel, the anime is mediocre) was kinda the canon of "magic realism/engineering", very autistic (maybe too much). It it's good before the 2nd Parasites Arc*. (it gets too long and it isn't bad but goes offtopic shifting from pure magic to a more folklore-spiritual second system that feels off compared to the first 5-10 volumes of mahouka).
Honzuki (probably) is influenced by Mushoku Tensei, itself influenced by mahouka, but magic isn't the center of that LN. Like mushoku tensei the world system based in magic is pretty coherent but simple.
youjo senki is the only thing I can think of, if you're willing to tolerate japslop
YS magic system is good although it's more about a retelling of the WWI-II than magic.
Has anyone done magic cowboys? The wild west would be the perfect place for a 19th century magic practitioner to lie low for a while. Making money would be easy if you can talk to horses or dowse for gold or enchant your guns for perfect aiming or something.
>They only need one wizard to point out the castle in the first place, because of "concealment charm" BS.
If you're on team castle (or are castle neutral) blowing up the castle is not a win condition.
The evil wizards had no central location. It was their one smart strategy.
IIRC Voldy used to hold meetings at people's houses, which are all massive castles because they're the wizard aristocracy. If they don't have any hostages you could just shell the place, but if they do you drop troopers on the roof. Either way should be an easy win for the muggles.
The fact these people had a ranged weapon before anyone else and never thought to put sights on it tells you everything you need to know about them. Their days of innovating are long behind them.
>the evil wizards from Harry Potter
So basically British high society, right?
More like dying aristocracy, while the "good guys" are the enlightened neoliberals. Think Lord Lucan vs Tony Blair.
I would guess that most of voldy's followers have enchanted houses that don't show up when muggles look at them. Even the wizard aristocracy that doesn't hate muggles on principle still don't want to be bothered by them, and while they might not be the absolute most talented, they've definitely been there long enough to get whatever magic they want on their homes.
Didn't they literally teleport into the UK Prime Minister and tell him to cooperate when DEH returned?
That's pretty much a surewin assassination.
Hogwarts also stops tech from working so guns and missiles would be useless.
They say ADVANCED technology doesn't work, electrical stuff, but guns probably would as described in the books. Really that's hard to avoid in these settings, guns are so simple, if the basic laws of chemistry still exist with magic just a way to manipulate the world on top then firearms will work too they're very very simple machines. I guess there could be a magic "gunpowder nullification field" if the author wanted since it's fucking magic and can do whatever anyone wants.
I'm pretty sure "shotgun muggle vs wizard goes to whoever strikes first" is Harry Potter deconstruction 101. Only the best wizards can cast silently and without a wand and/or gestures, and only the ones with what they consider esoteric muggle knowledge would feel threatened by a gun in the first place, so most of them couldn't put up a defense fast enough to stop someone firing at them, and of the small group that can, most wouldn't think to do so in the first place.
Though since the setting is bongland not America a lot of that issue probably goes away purely by virtue of guns and weapons in general being so massively restricted. British wizards at least just AREN'T likely to encounter shotgun muggles, let alone AR-15 muggles or even glock muggles, in the normal course of affairs. And since this is /k/ >"shotgun muggle vs wizard goes to whoever strikes first" >Only the best wizards can cast silently and without a wand and/or gestures
Let's also remember the kind of hilarious shit IRL all of us have seen the general public do with guns on public ranges. If the wizard are even 20-30 yd away even if muggle shot first honestly wizard would have a decent chance of teleporting away or putting up a projectile shield or whatever because the shot missed entirely or only hit somewhere not immediately lethal. The amount of mag dumping I've seen with like, 20% hitting a 12" target at 15yd is fucking depressing.
But by the same token, most wizard attacks are brightly glowing projectiles that can be dodged. Either side could miss, but either side hitting is likely to win.
harry potter is the reason I grew up to hate urban fantasy stories tbh
It's absolutely retarded lorewise that the statute of secrecy was a thing that could possibly exist, being able to police the whole world and every single mage, especially when you consider how every two bit wizard could fuck off to the muggle side and suddenly become the biggest fish in a very little pond and live like a literal king in comparison to their normal life of working at magical mcdonalds
They're actually really bad at the policing part, they're just really good at cleaning up spills with their memory altering spell. Wizards are free to do whatever, the government response comes after.
I think a few people did some amusing short stories exploring that, like the wizards casually used memory alteration and planted drugs and left without really thinking about it because "hurr muggles who cares" and drug issue aren't really a thing with them, then it fucks up tons of innocent people's lives because the British police state never believes "no these aren't my drugs I'd never!" particularly when their memories are wonky anyway.
I also find HP a little interesting in that it was so much a product of its time. In 1993 internet was barely getting the slightest attention from normal public, cell phones were near non existent and huge bulky things with external antennas. Now 30 years later we live in a world of ever more ubiquitous networked AI cameras and drones and so on, biometric networked identity systems and cross checked papers etc. The whole masquerade the way it's portrayed in the books is basically inconceivable as being even vaguely believable. Entire setting is completely obsolete.
the most amusing plothole imo is how nobody in the wizarding world understands muggle tech or culture at all even though a large portion of the wizarding populace are muggleborn
the most amusing plothole imo is how nobody in the wizarding world understands muggle tech or culture at all even though a large portion of the wizarding populace are muggleborn
Some fanfiction being better than the original books makes me think, occurs to me that maybe being so-so is actually part of the attraction for a big community these days? Like, if something is a masterpiece already nobody will really do much with it. But if something has some interesting bits, world building and popularity, but is deeply flawed, more people may feel fine giving a go at doing something with it. 99% of which will be shit but a few will be fun.
[...] >they will soon get nuked.
This is probably the only possible real logical rational to try to stay so intertwined while still being separate: wanting to perpetuate a semi-parasitical permanently "good old days" way of life, but not wanting to get wiped out. Nuclear weapons would probably work fine in wiping out wizards, but of course government would never accept nuking london just to hit some weirdos who keep to themselves even if they're theoretically dangerous, they'd always kick that can down the road.
You probably COULD make a decent setting around that: lots of people IRL aren't super excited about the exponentially increasing pace of technology or perpetual total surveillance and increasing AI/automation or megacorp control or whatever and would love to live in "forever 1800s, but with advanced medicine, lighting, and post-scarcity food situation". So if someone just honestly was like >Yeah muggle tech is >>>>>>>> then our magic overall, if they wanted to they'd crush us. >But that's why we base in stealth in their capitals and intermix through their land, they couldn't wipe us out without sustaining casualties their democratic comfy populations would never tolerate. >So we need to balance being not threatening enough to be worth major sacrifice, but still threatening enough they can't wipe us out without a heavy cost. >And we keep progress from advancing too much because that's just what people want. We make sure electronics will never work.
I could see that being believable.
In one of the movies, Harry and Ron's Dad are walking around London and he's just blown away by the most mundane shit. It's what happens when your culture never evolves past 1915 and it's why I'm confident the SAS could have easily handled a wizard uprising.
she tried to work around that with the "electronics short out around magic" BS
we need a sequel where Harry realizes Voldemort was right and goes back in time to fix things >modern tech reveals wizarding world >magical creatures and wizards being used as lab rats or hunted down >Voldemort saw this coming, dude was raised a muggle during WWII in London >realized wizards needed to take over before it was too late and technology mogged them
Rowling is too much of a hack to do it
Electronics don't stop around magic in general, like any amount of it including a lone wizard, just in weird places like hogwarts where they have centuries and centuries of massive magic buildup. And those places have tons of muggle repellent or are flat out unnoticeable to the nonmagic eye so nobody is around anyway. It'd be impossible to maintain their masquerade if every time a wizard walked around it caused cell phones to all die lol.
Electronics don't stop around magic in general, like any amount of it including a lone wizard, just in weird places like hogwarts where they have centuries and centuries of massive magic buildup. And those places have tons of muggle repellent or are flat out unnoticeable to the nonmagic eye so nobody is around anyway. It'd be impossible to maintain their masquerade if every time a wizard walked around it caused cell phones to all die lol.
Dumbledore has that Put-Outer/Deluminator so it's not much of a stretch to imagine wizards being issued pocket-sized devices which kill all electronics in an area.
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I mean sure, it's magic so it can probably do whatever, agreed if they wanted to come up with a "kill all electronics within a quarter mile" they probably could it just hasn't come up. Was just saying it's not a passive effect. In a war they could but it'd be bad when they were trying to be hidden.
>It's absolutely retarded lorewise
I mean, yeah? It was literally author's first book and she had no major previous stuff either, she had the seed of something fun and it happened to catch a wave and take off. She made lots of mistakes in the setup because she never imagined it'd become some gigahit epic, she was a single mother ultra poor bong. Honestly the book wasn't bad for a kids one hit fun thing and various plot holes could be ignored easily enough it just got big and then all the stuff that was just silly "hey wouldn't this be funny" suddenly became more glaring. You'll note how the whole magitech in book 2 got dropped hard when it began to really take off and they suddenly realized how fucking badly the entire concept would be broken by magical weapons.
There's other universes that blend magic and tech (which honestly is very hard to do in a quality way) massively better but that wasn't really the point it was just a plot device. Story would have worked about the same by the end if it was set in another universe accessed by portals from earth or some shit and magic only barely worked on earth.
Use MI5 to collect infomation on public portkey sites and known floo network entry points across the country (likely via disenfranchised Squibs or other groups of semi magical people).
Contact the ministry of magic and report that a goverment envoy would will be sent to meet the head minister in person regarding senstive and classified scenario that threatens the barrier bewteen the muggle and wizarding world.
Send the envoy down during peak office hours with an armed escort and an aerial dispersian unit concealed in a senstive material case. At the centre of the department the envoy deploys the aerial dispersion unit and immediately vacates to nearest floo network entrance.
Nerve agents fill the ministry and quickly immobilising bureaucratic functions. The wizards and witches begin to panic with a select few fast enough to act try to use protection charms, unaware that the nerve agent is not a curse or other form of dark magic.
The fleeing wizards begin to use floo networks as well as portkeys, taking them to the documented sites where weapon special operation weapon teams begin liquidating the panicking and surpised magical men and women.
Once the sites traffic is nothing but a mass of bodies send in military assets and begin destroying major wizarding villages and quarters connected to the network which are likely still reeling from their enclave government going dark.
At this point casualties are not the focus but to cause heavy infrastructural damange and dehousing to force wizarding communities on the run. As powerful as wizarda are they are still susceptible to fear and reaction times thay a bullet can bypass. They do not have a photographic memory of spells and their main killing power is slow and requires intense hatred that only few wizards can trully channel unconditionally. Enchanted weapons are still vulnerable destruction like from explosives or high caliber rounds.
It is called using your imagination to tackle a difficult combat scenario. You do not nessasarily need to hate the universe to have fun thinking about how you would beat it.
That already exists. Certain spells are tracked when cast and the wands associated with them can be used to trace the last wizard that used it. Its featured in the goblet of fire book when a terror attack happens at the wizarding cup and when harry is placed on magic parol in the muggle world.
I'm reminded of that one Harry Potter fic that's literally called the Deus Ex Machina where it saves Sirius's brother who teams up with James Bond and MI6 and the British Military gets involved with the Death Eater War.
Actually kind of based, especially when they start finding out how to work around Wizards anti-Muggle Wards.
Some fanfiction being better than the original books makes me think, occurs to me that maybe being so-so is actually part of the attraction for a big community these days? Like, if something is a masterpiece already nobody will really do much with it. But if something has some interesting bits, world building and popularity, but is deeply flawed, more people may feel fine giving a go at doing something with it. 99% of which will be shit but a few will be fun.
I assume that the point of the wizards is that magic has made them retarded and lazy meanwhile muggles reproduce faster and seek out new technology, so while wizards are busy inbreeding their retarded spawn they will soon get nuked.
>they will soon get nuked.
This is probably the only possible real logical rational to try to stay so intertwined while still being separate: wanting to perpetuate a semi-parasitical permanently "good old days" way of life, but not wanting to get wiped out. Nuclear weapons would probably work fine in wiping out wizards, but of course government would never accept nuking london just to hit some weirdos who keep to themselves even if they're theoretically dangerous, they'd always kick that can down the road.
You probably COULD make a decent setting around that: lots of people IRL aren't super excited about the exponentially increasing pace of technology or perpetual total surveillance and increasing AI/automation or megacorp control or whatever and would love to live in "forever 1800s, but with advanced medicine, lighting, and post-scarcity food situation". So if someone just honestly was like >Yeah muggle tech is >>>>>>>> then our magic overall, if they wanted to they'd crush us. >But that's why we base in stealth in their capitals and intermix through their land, they couldn't wipe us out without sustaining casualties their democratic comfy populations would never tolerate. >So we need to balance being not threatening enough to be worth major sacrifice, but still threatening enough they can't wipe us out without a heavy cost. >And we keep progress from advancing too much because that's just what people want. We make sure electronics will never work.
I could see that being believable.
I assume that the point of the wizards is that magic has made them retarded and lazy meanwhile muggles reproduce faster and seek out new technology, so while wizards are busy inbreeding their retarded spawn they will soon get nuked.
That's basically the Wizarding World's largest problem, they're dying of low birthrates made worse when they keep having civil wars over the fact that their society is declining.
The Death Eaters only make it worse by killing more of their pure blooded kin.
How can you save your kin while your own brother collaborates with an enemy race that wishes to perpetually force your people into segregated shires or enclaves? A race that does not have the insight or power to wield the spiritual or metaphysical? A race that despite being objectively lesser than you is telling you that in actuality you and them are one in the same and you should accept your place in THEIR shadow and their control over your life is carried out by none other than other magical wizarding people. Would you not think that would be a betrayal? A crime that is worth letting your brother die for if it means the rest of your people can live free and enact a golden age of wizarding kind? I dunno, I think the death eaters ethical reasoning was coherent from that perspective.
In one of the movies, Harry and Ron's Dad are walking around London and he's just blown away by the most mundane shit. It's what happens when your culture never evolves past 1915 and it's why I'm confident the SAS could have easily handled a wizard uprising.
>I assume that the point of the wizards is that magic has made them retarded and lazy meanwhile muggles reproduce faster and seek out new technology, so while wizards are busy inbreeding their retarded spawn they will soon get nuked.
Honestly this, the Wizarding World in Harry Potter is almost totally culturally stagnant and basically living multiple centuries in the past on both the technological and ideological level. The pre-9/11 Taliban were unironically a more advanced form of civilization.
Reminder that the Wizards live in hiding because we stomped their asses back in Antiquity and we can do it again. Muggle Pride World Wide!
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Look, I might have some Grand Wizards in my family tree, but not THAT kind of Grand Wizard.
Any discussion about how things work in the Harry Potter world needs to take into account the fact Rowling is a shit writer and none of it makes any sense. It gets worse as the book series goes on, probably because she got too popular for the editors to crack down. Her best work was on Twitter, and a world of mad troons is worth a fanfic-tier book series.
>It gets worse as the book series goes on, probably because she got too popular for the editors to crack down
I think it's more the opposite, the original few books weren't that serious and didn't have some real pre-worldbuilding and thinking it all through invested in them upfront, they were just fun yarns with enough window dressing to setup the scenario she wanted. Then as it took off and decided to get "serious" the logical inconsistencies in the setup snowballed out of anyone's control. It would have taken a ton of work, skill, and significant retcons to fix that and if anything publisher would have been pushing her to pump out new stuff as fast as she could to ride the popularity wave and make $$$$$$$$$$$$.
She also let herself be baited by fans. So many people asked about the time travel things that she had her fat dumpy useless friend character literally knock over the cabinet where every single time machine was stored, breaking them all irreparably.
A solution to that which I think would work is to make the killing curse so absolute that not even time travel can undo it. Cutting a bitch or setting them on fire might be prevented, but once someone gets hit with the Hispanicy light, they're 100% dead and nothing can ever undo it. That makes it an actually scary spell with serious gravitas.
>Dumblydor fookin dies >Time turner that shit to him in the great hall during supper >Motherfucker immediately ragdolls into a corpse at his podium thing in front of all the first years >Panic insues
lol
>ragdolls >THUMP-KATHUMPPA-BUMP-BUMP-KATHUMPTHUMP >Dumbledore said calmly.
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>One of his limbs stretches and hits a table sending plates flying with loud Bethesda clanging sounds
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>falls through the floor as stretched limb jerks >"Only the most powerful wizards can prevent clipping through world geometry" said Dumblecorpse with a twinkle in his eye >"Buy my game" said the wizard Todd
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>NOO NOT THE DUMBLYDOORS HURRY POOTER stated hagrid with agitated motions
Think a few series have played with that idea of magic, stuff that fucks with causality or wipes someone from reality or whatever. Could be cool. But time travel in general tends towards stupid shit almost all of the time when played straight and is almost always a bad idea to include in a story. Same thing with PROPHECIES which are another classic "this is retarded and everything could have been done and been better without it". That she included both and the time stuff as a kind of throwaway gimmick just shows how lulrandum it was to start.
>Dumblydor fookin dies >Time turner that shit to him in the great hall during supper >Motherfucker immediately ragdolls into a corpse at his podium thing in front of all the first years >Panic insues
lol
That'd be pretty hilarious, though probably the better way to do it would be "fixed your inevitable death at that exact moment in time no matter the world line, and from then on fate always conspires to have you die at that moment". Though maybe time games would still let you change the nature of your death in useful ways (like you take the other fag with you or something).
I actually think her prophecies were handled pretty well since they can be gamed a bit and aren't absolute. Harry or Neville could have been the subject of that one prophecy, depending on what moldy decided to do. It's when you get into absolutely accurate prophecies or multiple intersecting ones that you have problems. One prophecy that has to be taken literally, but carries no subtext at all is workable for a story.
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yeah guess in fairness it wasn't horrible in hp vs most, but I still stand by saying the vast super majority of ZE CHOSEN ONE stories would have been the same or better if the hero was just a classic decent dude who ended up fighting for what's right without any choice destroying homosexualry making it all destined or some shit.
>She also let herself be baited by fans
I mean, yeah, but can't say it's particularly surprising given the circumstances. Not long before that she was poor as absolute fuck, her husband was a piece of shit and beat her, and then suddenly she turns into a megastar with millions of tweens and teens turning on her word and slick producers trying to option for movie rights and celebrity shit, all in a matter of like 4 years. First book had an initial run of <6000 copies, and then by book 3/4 it was selling fucking millions. And all this around the dawn of the general internet age too. Shit I was on BBS then AOL then by then Something Awful IIRC holy fuck was that forever ago.
Anyway can't say it's a surprise she got swept up in it as a newb author.
Our good friends over at Raytheon and Lockheed have made sure that we have the tools necessary to handle a few carnival clown wizards.
I would use a high powere Microwave Directed Energy Weapon to cook those fuckers and make their heads explode. I would also make liberal use of the aptly named Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System II on any targets that are slow enough. But really, HP wizards aren't a threat to anyone with a rifle.
Yes. It is shown in the intial siege of hogwarts. But such a force field takes a while to develop an area and depending on the thing's size it can take multiple magic users to form it.
Nothing like that has been shown, but something close was demonstrated in the theatrical film adaptation of the order of the phoenix when Dumbledore and Voldermort dueled in the ministry of magic. During one exchange between them they end up shattering all of the glass in the ministry offices. Voldermort enchants these shards and launches them like a swarm of frangible shrapnel towards Dumbledore who, quick on his feet, formed a protective shield that rendered the glass into grains of sand. Its not exactly bullet proof shield material and you still need to be able to cast it within human reaction times but its the closest available comparison.
He literally can't. The President of the United States does not have the ability to physically or order the use of a nuclear weapon with his iPhone. It's an intentionally convoluted and overly complicated process to prevent unauthorized launches
>If the US president, who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, decides to order the use of nuclear weapons, the briefcase would be opened. A command signal, or "watch" alert, would then be issued to the United States Strategic Command and perhaps the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The president would then review the attack options with others such as the secretary of defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and decide on a plan, which could range from the launch of a single or multiple ICBMs. These are among the preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010 (formerly the Single Integrated Operational Plan).[15] A two-person verification procedure would precede the entering of the codes into a Permissive Action Link. >Before the order can be followed by the military, the president must be positively identified using a special code issued on a plastic card, nicknamed the "biscuit".[16] The authentication is conducted between the President and the National Military Command Center Deputy Director of operations, using a two phonetic letters challenge code. The President will read from the biscuit the daily phonetic letters and the deputy director will confirm or deny if that is correct, confirming indicating the person is the president and the attack orders can be given. Down the chain of command, the United States has a two-man rule in place at nuclear launch facilities. This verification process ensures the order came from the actual president; the secretary of defense has no veto power. Many sources show that the President has sole launch authority.
From there, the attack orders are transmitted by USSTRATCOM via HFGCS radio or TACAMO aircraft.
you wont bewitch me with those words!! GET THE ROPE, SUFFER NOT A WITCH TO LIVE
Harry Potter, in comparison to everything I read in school (that I chose to read) was boring. Dragons of Deltora was what was competing with HP when I was in about...6th grade. And those books kicked ass. On top of that my dad crammed a bunch of Tolkien shit in my face and made me read that too.
I also found Gossebumps more interesting. Then Spooksville. And if you want to stick to JUST fantasy, as I got older the Dresden Files bro. Dresden Files is what would happen if Harry went on /k/.
Eh, if you had kids in that era anon kinda unavoidable for a lot of us though cultural zeitgeist has probably moved on by now.
As stated above, I just found so much more cool stuff. And my parents introduced me to a lot of it.
OK? Anon, when you get older you'll hopefully come to understand a bit that knowing about something isn't the same as thinking it's great or even good. Some stuff you may just need to have some knowledge of to fit in with normals and office water cooler chatter or family or your children. I know about HP to some extent same as I know something about various megahit sitcoms or beanie babies or whatever.
Look at this fucking hipster. He thinks he's better than other people because he didn't read Harry Potter. >I read Dragons of Dildora, you probably haven't even heard of that!
Lol
The problem you have with the british wizard government, besides Rowling being a bad worldbuilding writer, is that most wizards want to be left the fuck alone. Extremists like Voldemort are a pain in the dick, but literally all of the wizard governments focus is on making sure wizardkind is left the fuck alone.
Like some kind of micronation that only has one ministry that makes sure motherfuckers stay away from their lawn.
With that context, you'll have to ask yourself what the point of an all out war with wizards should be.
We're not in antiquity or the middle ages where magic would be super useful, muggle tech is getting more sophisticated each day.
What british military planners would probably more likely propose is a joint task force with the Auror's office. A "you help me and I help you" kinda deal. MI5 needs some towelhead removed before he allahu snackbars a school? A wizard goes in with an SAS squad invis, whacks all the terrorists and then fucks off.
In turn, the wizards get live drone footage of some shack that is used by crazy evil mugglekiller dark wizard #29040.
Then the minister of magic gets live footage of white phosphorous eating inferi, stormshadow-chan blowing up the shack and a sick nade drop video of the evil wizard hiding in some hole.
Wizards don't really wanna fight all the muggles, more smart ones like Dumbledore know full well that muggles would fuck them up.
Furthermore, should the brit government decide to deal with the wizard menace in some way, they'll have plenty of collaborators from the magic world. Wizards not liking the current minister of magic, goblins offering their services to make muggle guns/getting hired by lockheed or squibs wanting revenge.
Also Trolls could be used for cheap construction labour.
I never understood why people act like it’s so cool to hate on Harry Potter. Sure, JK is still a feminist cunt even if she also hates trannies, but this revulsion to Harry Potter just feels so forced. It’s like people just pretend to hate HP just to look cool >look at me I hate this franchise of books and movies for middle schoolers, aren’t I so cool?
Did you people just spend your entire childhood scowling?
HP was always pretty mediocre and never should've been a series. I don't care about Rowling's politics as they apply to her artistic craft. I do find it funny she's been eaten alive by the people who used to be her most zealous defenders, though. Not that she cares about her twitter cred, considering her revenue is literally untouchable.
Its exclusive to twitter circles. At least from my experience in the UK boomers and millennials dont really give a fuck and HP merchandise is everywhere. HP world is packed at peak holiday seasons and Rowling still has a public image as a famous writer.
Muggles would be destoyed by wizards just by the teleport spell alone. Wizards still in high school can master teleporting anywhere they want at the blink of an eye. You can't wage war against something like that.
As soon as you start war with wizards they can just teleport to all of your leaders and kill them and then teleport away. You appoint new leaders? They just do it again.
I can't be the only one to think that all Volsemort would have accomplished is getting wizards rounded up and killed? I never really read into the expanded universe but surely Rowling acknowledged the gun factor at some point.
>I never really read into the expanded universe but surely Rowling acknowledged the gun factor at some point.
See this post:
Muggles would be destoyed by wizards just by the teleport spell alone. Wizards still in high school can master teleporting anywhere they want at the blink of an eye. You can't wage war against something like that.
As soon as you start war with wizards they can just teleport to all of your leaders and kill them and then teleport away. You appoint new leaders? They just do it again.
Your enemy can teleport and assassinate any muggle in the world at any time. How do you wage war against this?
Even at his most powerful, he never openly showed himself to muggles, he just made them miserably by unleashing invisible monsters who feed on happiness and souls. He doesn't need to reveal wizards to anyone.
Probably call in the US military
>wizards have all these bullshit OP spells
>they don't use them to control the world through puppet regimes
Are they stupid?
All of their spells require direct line of sight and need to be aimed from a stick. The president can launch a nuke from his iPhone. They were right to leave us be.
>The president can launch a nuke from his iPhone.
He literally can't. The President of the United States does not have the ability to physically or order the use of a nuclear weapon with his iPhone. It's an intentionally convoluted and overly complicated process to prevent unauthorized launches
>If the US president, who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, decides to order the use of nuclear weapons, the briefcase would be opened. A command signal, or "watch" alert, would then be issued to the United States Strategic Command and perhaps the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The president would then review the attack options with others such as the secretary of defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and decide on a plan, which could range from the launch of a single or multiple ICBMs. These are among the preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010 (formerly the Single Integrated Operational Plan).[15] A two-person verification procedure would precede the entering of the codes into a Permissive Action Link.
>Before the order can be followed by the military, the president must be positively identified using a special code issued on a plastic card, nicknamed the "biscuit".[16] The authentication is conducted between the President and the National Military Command Center Deputy Director of operations, using a two phonetic letters challenge code. The President will read from the biscuit the daily phonetic letters and the deputy director will confirm or deny if that is correct, confirming indicating the person is the president and the attack orders can be given. Down the chain of command, the United States has a two-man rule in place at nuclear launch facilities. This verification process ensures the order came from the actual president; the secretary of defense has no veto power. Many sources show that the President has sole launch authority.
From there, the attack orders are transmitted by USSTRATCOM via HFGCS radio or TACAMO aircraft.
Magic hands typed this post
>teleports behind you
The ones who actually give a shit about taking over the world are wizard supremacists who want overt domination rather than ruling through influence or whatever.
Yes, they are. As written, only an extremely tiny percentage of wizards even understand the muggle world, and most of all of them are the muggle-born. If both worlds were aware of each other and declared war, a particularly intelligent leader might just decide to imperius the muggle prime minister and call it a day, thinking it a job well done because they really don't know anybody or anything else. An average wizard leader would just order everybody to go out wands blazing and get wrecked.
>>they don't use them to control the world through puppet regimes
They kind of do, though. They have a direct line to the prime minister, listen to his conversations in his office whether the prime minister likes it or not. They update him on what's going on, but leave him no option other than accepting it. And maintain an inside man on his staff just because they can.
And they rearrange the prime minister's appointment with the president on a whim and without his knowledge.
For all practical intents and purposes, wizards control the muggle world.
They just don't really do anything with it since, well, what for? The muggle world has nothing they want or need. Arthur Weasley's attitude towards muggles is typical. He's basically the White British traveller visiting brown countries and being fascinated, yet belittling the quaint natives, and not taken seriously by the establishment because lol, natives.
Give them the holy land in the middle east for their own ethnostate at the expanse of the indigenous people there
>Palestinians
>indigenous people
lmfao actual retard
Meanwhile in the real world
imagine if Hitler proposed to the germans in eastern europe that a new Ostland would be formed, with half going to germans.
>Imagine
No.
This splits in two directions
On the one hand, Wizards SHOULD be unbeatable as assassins and saboteurs. They can teleport, turn invisible, disguise themselves, subtly start fires or destroy the foundations of buildings or enchant people to do as they command even if they're loyal. It should be trivial to collapse any modern society with HP magic even before getting into stupid stuff like "Fire that never goes out" and shit like that.
But in practice these are some of the most braindead fuckers to ever stumble out of a mentally ill woman's imagination, so 99% of them will get killed just doing something stupid.
The general unbeatable strategy for human soldiers would be "cooperate with your enemy wizard's enemies", as there's no getting around the fact that Dog-sized spiders and stone knights wielding fucking axes are considered meaningful additions to a wizard army, so in other words once you have a few wizards around to clear the "only magic can pass go" hurdle, you can do a hell of a lot of "support" with grenades and machine guns.
>wizard
HQ is a lavish castle where every room has about 5+ large windows. Weapon is a pointy stick with no sights and slow rate of fire.
>SAS
Breach every window at the same time.
They only need one wizard to point out the castle in the first place, because of "concealment charm" BS.
>They only need one wizard to point out the castle in the first place, because of "concealment charm" BS.
Nah the problem is wizards can do shit like just wipe your memories in a fraction of a second or turn half of you against the other half, without magic there's no direct defense. Drones and AI systems could help a lot, I don't think Imperio/Obliviate/Crucio/Killing Curse would work on computers and wizards don't understand them at all. That and an absolutely ENORMOUS ranged advantage, if you can just snipe the wizards you see from 1000+ yd that'll help a lot.
But
>The general unbeatable strategy for human soldiers would be "cooperate with your enemy wizard's enemies",
is probably correct that teaming up with a chunk of wizards would be the best. Fortunately there is a very convenient slice of wizards who are "muggle born" and actively discriminated against by the shitty ones and seem ripe for joining their rightful governments.
>wipe your memories in a fraction of a second or turn half of you against the other half
Requires pointing a wand and mental concentration. Sometimes even speaking magic words. Lets see how many troopers that bald fucker can "Imperio" when he's hit with a flashbang + assault team + snipers outside.
>goblins
They'll be running your entire financial sector before you know it. On the bright side they do use a gold standard.
>They only need one wizard to point out the castle in the first place, because of "concealment charm" BS.
If you're on team castle (or are castle neutral) blowing up the castle is not a win condition.
The evil wizards had no central location. It was their one smart strategy.
end game of the series should have been Harry and Hermione using magic to enhance guns and BTFO of the bad guys who are completely unaware of modern technology. That's the real advantage Harry had being raised as a muggle
>could literally create an AR with an endless magazine and no recoil
Rowling is too British to come to the logical conclusion that guns are better than wands for a fight
Rowling said exactly that though.
The ending we were all rob'd of
There're better novels related to "militarized magic", HP is cringe.
>There're better novels related to "militarized magic"
Please elaborate.
Probably black library shit.
youjo senki is the only thing I can think of, if you're willing to tolerate japslop
Not that anon, but The Black Company comes to mind.
Black Company casters are deity level, old as fuck death eaters (I think every single one of them uses some sort of fetish shit). So we win if we catch them young. We lose if they're 500+ year old.
The Black Company's own pair of wizards were primarily illusionists and not particularly powerful, though they did pull off some high-level shit at the very end.
They worked well mainly because they leveraged their magic as a force multiplier for the Company's regular soldiers.
nta but Shadowrun is one of the only series that blends magic and tech in a really awesome way, including serious military usage. Pretty fun setting.
Youjo Senki surprised me, manga is unironically bretty gud even if it is nip. Author is clearly a huge weaponboo and he picked a great setup, Second Reich uniforms and practices were pretty based. And he gets a lot of core basics of military right in a way most don't. No lone hero no matter how strong can ultimately win against overwhelming logistical and industrial superiority. Also decently does the victory trap, falling into militarism and losing sight of diplomacy and politics and the importance of recognizing force is just another tool of statesmanship, stuff like that. It's a fun enough yarn though I don't know if it'll all go to shit in the end since it's still ongoing. I heard from some people that apparently the original web novel went off the rails and got all fucking weird later.
Rifts is pretty fun too. The central premise is basically the Warhammer vs Lord of the Rings.
Mahouka (Light Novel, the anime is mediocre) was kinda the canon of "magic realism/engineering", very autistic (maybe too much). It it's good before the 2nd Parasites Arc*. (it gets too long and it isn't bad but goes offtopic shifting from pure magic to a more folklore-spiritual second system that feels off compared to the first 5-10 volumes of mahouka).
Honzuki (probably) is influenced by Mushoku Tensei, itself influenced by mahouka, but magic isn't the center of that LN. Like mushoku tensei the world system based in magic is pretty coherent but simple.
YS magic system is good although it's more about a retelling of the WWI-II than magic.
Monday begins on Saturday
Has anyone done magic cowboys? The wild west would be the perfect place for a 19th century magic practitioner to lie low for a while. Making money would be easy if you can talk to horses or dowse for gold or enchant your guns for perfect aiming or something.
IIRC Voldy used to hold meetings at people's houses, which are all massive castles because they're the wizard aristocracy. If they don't have any hostages you could just shell the place, but if they do you drop troopers on the roof. Either way should be an easy win for the muggles.
The fact these people had a ranged weapon before anyone else and never thought to put sights on it tells you everything you need to know about them. Their days of innovating are long behind them.
More like dying aristocracy, while the "good guys" are the enlightened neoliberals. Think Lord Lucan vs Tony Blair.
I would guess that most of voldy's followers have enchanted houses that don't show up when muggles look at them. Even the wizard aristocracy that doesn't hate muggles on principle still don't want to be bothered by them, and while they might not be the absolute most talented, they've definitely been there long enough to get whatever magic they want on their homes.
Didn't they literally teleport into the UK Prime Minister and tell him to cooperate when DEH returned?
That's pretty much a surewin assassination.
Hogwarts also stops tech from working so guns and missiles would be useless.
>Hogwarts also stops tech from working so guns and missiles would be useless.
The Car had non magical parts, radios work as well, as do cameras.
It was enchanted by a skilled functionary of the ministry of magic....
They say ADVANCED technology doesn't work, electrical stuff, but guns probably would as described in the books. Really that's hard to avoid in these settings, guns are so simple, if the basic laws of chemistry still exist with magic just a way to manipulate the world on top then firearms will work too they're very very simple machines. I guess there could be a magic "gunpowder nullification field" if the author wanted since it's fucking magic and can do whatever anyone wants.
I'm pretty sure "shotgun muggle vs wizard goes to whoever strikes first" is Harry Potter deconstruction 101. Only the best wizards can cast silently and without a wand and/or gestures, and only the ones with what they consider esoteric muggle knowledge would feel threatened by a gun in the first place, so most of them couldn't put up a defense fast enough to stop someone firing at them, and of the small group that can, most wouldn't think to do so in the first place.
Though since the setting is bongland not America a lot of that issue probably goes away purely by virtue of guns and weapons in general being so massively restricted. British wizards at least just AREN'T likely to encounter shotgun muggles, let alone AR-15 muggles or even glock muggles, in the normal course of affairs. And since this is /k/
>"shotgun muggle vs wizard goes to whoever strikes first"
>Only the best wizards can cast silently and without a wand and/or gestures
Let's also remember the kind of hilarious shit IRL all of us have seen the general public do with guns on public ranges. If the wizard are even 20-30 yd away even if muggle shot first honestly wizard would have a decent chance of teleporting away or putting up a projectile shield or whatever because the shot missed entirely or only hit somewhere not immediately lethal. The amount of mag dumping I've seen with like, 20% hitting a 12" target at 15yd is fucking depressing.
But by the same token, most wizard attacks are brightly glowing projectiles that can be dodged. Either side could miss, but either side hitting is likely to win.
the skirts
Ally with the goblins in exchange for wandlore.
harry potter is the reason I grew up to hate urban fantasy stories tbh
It's absolutely retarded lorewise that the statute of secrecy was a thing that could possibly exist, being able to police the whole world and every single mage, especially when you consider how every two bit wizard could fuck off to the muggle side and suddenly become the biggest fish in a very little pond and live like a literal king in comparison to their normal life of working at magical mcdonalds
They're actually really bad at the policing part, they're just really good at cleaning up spills with their memory altering spell. Wizards are free to do whatever, the government response comes after.
I think a few people did some amusing short stories exploring that, like the wizards casually used memory alteration and planted drugs and left without really thinking about it because "hurr muggles who cares" and drug issue aren't really a thing with them, then it fucks up tons of innocent people's lives because the British police state never believes "no these aren't my drugs I'd never!" particularly when their memories are wonky anyway.
I also find HP a little interesting in that it was so much a product of its time. In 1993 internet was barely getting the slightest attention from normal public, cell phones were near non existent and huge bulky things with external antennas. Now 30 years later we live in a world of ever more ubiquitous networked AI cameras and drones and so on, biometric networked identity systems and cross checked papers etc. The whole masquerade the way it's portrayed in the books is basically inconceivable as being even vaguely believable. Entire setting is completely obsolete.
the most amusing plothole imo is how nobody in the wizarding world understands muggle tech or culture at all even though a large portion of the wizarding populace are muggleborn
Obligatory
she tried to work around that with the "electronics short out around magic" BS
we need a sequel where Harry realizes Voldemort was right and goes back in time to fix things
>modern tech reveals wizarding world
>magical creatures and wizards being used as lab rats or hunted down
>Voldemort saw this coming, dude was raised a muggle during WWII in London
>realized wizards needed to take over before it was too late and technology mogged them
Rowling is too much of a hack to do it
>electronics short out around magic
That's fucking great, so wizards are walking, talking, teleporting EMPs.
Yea I think we are fucked.
Electronics don't stop around magic in general, like any amount of it including a lone wizard, just in weird places like hogwarts where they have centuries and centuries of massive magic buildup. And those places have tons of muggle repellent or are flat out unnoticeable to the nonmagic eye so nobody is around anyway. It'd be impossible to maintain their masquerade if every time a wizard walked around it caused cell phones to all die lol.
Dumbledore has that Put-Outer/Deluminator so it's not much of a stretch to imagine wizards being issued pocket-sized devices which kill all electronics in an area.
I mean sure, it's magic so it can probably do whatever, agreed if they wanted to come up with a "kill all electronics within a quarter mile" they probably could it just hasn't come up. Was just saying it's not a passive effect. In a war they could but it'd be bad when they were trying to be hidden.
>It's absolutely retarded lorewise
I mean, yeah? It was literally author's first book and she had no major previous stuff either, she had the seed of something fun and it happened to catch a wave and take off. She made lots of mistakes in the setup because she never imagined it'd become some gigahit epic, she was a single mother ultra poor bong. Honestly the book wasn't bad for a kids one hit fun thing and various plot holes could be ignored easily enough it just got big and then all the stuff that was just silly "hey wouldn't this be funny" suddenly became more glaring. You'll note how the whole magitech in book 2 got dropped hard when it began to really take off and they suddenly realized how fucking badly the entire concept would be broken by magical weapons.
There's other universes that blend magic and tech (which honestly is very hard to do in a quality way) massively better but that wasn't really the point it was just a plot device. Story would have worked about the same by the end if it was set in another universe accessed by portals from earth or some shit and magic only barely worked on earth.
Who is it that even writes these low effot spam threads?
Go back to plebbit, war tourist.
Your thread sucks
It's not my thread but this is hardly off-brand for /k/ and I've seen several "Harry Potter v. /k/" threads over the years.
Use MI5 to collect infomation on public portkey sites and known floo network entry points across the country (likely via disenfranchised Squibs or other groups of semi magical people).
Contact the ministry of magic and report that a goverment envoy would will be sent to meet the head minister in person regarding senstive and classified scenario that threatens the barrier bewteen the muggle and wizarding world.
Send the envoy down during peak office hours with an armed escort and an aerial dispersian unit concealed in a senstive material case. At the centre of the department the envoy deploys the aerial dispersion unit and immediately vacates to nearest floo network entrance.
Nerve agents fill the ministry and quickly immobilising bureaucratic functions. The wizards and witches begin to panic with a select few fast enough to act try to use protection charms, unaware that the nerve agent is not a curse or other form of dark magic.
The fleeing wizards begin to use floo networks as well as portkeys, taking them to the documented sites where weapon special operation weapon teams begin liquidating the panicking and surpised magical men and women.
Once the sites traffic is nothing but a mass of bodies send in military assets and begin destroying major wizarding villages and quarters connected to the network which are likely still reeling from their enclave government going dark.
At this point casualties are not the focus but to cause heavy infrastructural damange and dehousing to force wizarding communities on the run. As powerful as wizarda are they are still susceptible to fear and reaction times thay a bullet can bypass. They do not have a photographic memory of spells and their main killing power is slow and requires intense hatred that only few wizards can trully channel unconditionally. Enchanted weapons are still vulnerable destruction like from explosives or high caliber rounds.
Muggle supremacy.
And yes I phone post.
what's the point of one upping a children's book series
why do zoomers hate harry potter so much? do you have nothing magical in your lives?
It is called using your imagination to tackle a difficult combat scenario. You do not nessasarily need to hate the universe to have fun thinking about how you would beat it.
Just use the eagles dude
Magic licenses
That already exists. Certain spells are tracked when cast and the wands associated with them can be used to trace the last wizard that used it. Its featured in the goblet of fire book when a terror attack happens at the wizarding cup and when harry is placed on magic parol in the muggle world.
>the evil wizards from Harry Potter
So basically British high society, right?
I'm reminded of that one Harry Potter fic that's literally called the Deus Ex Machina where it saves Sirius's brother who teams up with James Bond and MI6 and the British Military gets involved with the Death Eater War.
Actually kind of based, especially when they start finding out how to work around Wizards anti-Muggle Wards.
Some fanfiction being better than the original books makes me think, occurs to me that maybe being so-so is actually part of the attraction for a big community these days? Like, if something is a masterpiece already nobody will really do much with it. But if something has some interesting bits, world building and popularity, but is deeply flawed, more people may feel fine giving a go at doing something with it. 99% of which will be shit but a few will be fun.
>they will soon get nuked.
This is probably the only possible real logical rational to try to stay so intertwined while still being separate: wanting to perpetuate a semi-parasitical permanently "good old days" way of life, but not wanting to get wiped out. Nuclear weapons would probably work fine in wiping out wizards, but of course government would never accept nuking london just to hit some weirdos who keep to themselves even if they're theoretically dangerous, they'd always kick that can down the road.
You probably COULD make a decent setting around that: lots of people IRL aren't super excited about the exponentially increasing pace of technology or perpetual total surveillance and increasing AI/automation or megacorp control or whatever and would love to live in "forever 1800s, but with advanced medicine, lighting, and post-scarcity food situation". So if someone just honestly was like
>Yeah muggle tech is >>>>>>>> then our magic overall, if they wanted to they'd crush us.
>But that's why we base in stealth in their capitals and intermix through their land, they couldn't wipe us out without sustaining casualties their democratic comfy populations would never tolerate.
>So we need to balance being not threatening enough to be worth major sacrifice, but still threatening enough they can't wipe us out without a heavy cost.
>And we keep progress from advancing too much because that's just what people want. We make sure electronics will never work.
I could see that being believable.
I assume that the point of the wizards is that magic has made them retarded and lazy meanwhile muggles reproduce faster and seek out new technology, so while wizards are busy inbreeding their retarded spawn they will soon get nuked.
That's basically the Wizarding World's largest problem, they're dying of low birthrates made worse when they keep having civil wars over the fact that their society is declining.
The Death Eaters only make it worse by killing more of their pure blooded kin.
How can you save your kin while your own brother collaborates with an enemy race that wishes to perpetually force your people into segregated shires or enclaves? A race that does not have the insight or power to wield the spiritual or metaphysical? A race that despite being objectively lesser than you is telling you that in actuality you and them are one in the same and you should accept your place in THEIR shadow and their control over your life is carried out by none other than other magical wizarding people. Would you not think that would be a betrayal? A crime that is worth letting your brother die for if it means the rest of your people can live free and enact a golden age of wizarding kind? I dunno, I think the death eaters ethical reasoning was coherent from that perspective.
Fuck off voldemort, I dunno how you learned to use a computer but I'm not falling for your propaganda. TWD
>Gets beaten to death by a copper wire because he can't use his magic without it becoming an electro whip
In one of the movies, Harry and Ron's Dad are walking around London and he's just blown away by the most mundane shit. It's what happens when your culture never evolves past 1915 and it's why I'm confident the SAS could have easily handled a wizard uprising.
>I assume that the point of the wizards is that magic has made them retarded and lazy meanwhile muggles reproduce faster and seek out new technology, so while wizards are busy inbreeding their retarded spawn they will soon get nuked.
Honestly this, the Wizarding World in Harry Potter is almost totally culturally stagnant and basically living multiple centuries in the past on both the technological and ideological level. The pre-9/11 Taliban were unironically a more advanced form of civilization.
Reminder that the Wizards live in hiding because we stomped their asses back in Antiquity and we can do it again. Muggle Pride World Wide!
>Magic hands typed this post
Look, I might have some Grand Wizards in my family tree, but not THAT kind of Grand Wizard.
arrest them for owning wands
Someone at the ad company was having a laugh while doing this.
Any discussion about how things work in the Harry Potter world needs to take into account the fact Rowling is a shit writer and none of it makes any sense. It gets worse as the book series goes on, probably because she got too popular for the editors to crack down. Her best work was on Twitter, and a world of mad troons is worth a fanfic-tier book series.
>It gets worse as the book series goes on, probably because she got too popular for the editors to crack down
I think it's more the opposite, the original few books weren't that serious and didn't have some real pre-worldbuilding and thinking it all through invested in them upfront, they were just fun yarns with enough window dressing to setup the scenario she wanted. Then as it took off and decided to get "serious" the logical inconsistencies in the setup snowballed out of anyone's control. It would have taken a ton of work, skill, and significant retcons to fix that and if anything publisher would have been pushing her to pump out new stuff as fast as she could to ride the popularity wave and make $$$$$$$$$$$$.
She also let herself be baited by fans. So many people asked about the time travel things that she had her fat dumpy useless friend character literally knock over the cabinet where every single time machine was stored, breaking them all irreparably.
A solution to that which I think would work is to make the killing curse so absolute that not even time travel can undo it. Cutting a bitch or setting them on fire might be prevented, but once someone gets hit with the Hispanicy light, they're 100% dead and nothing can ever undo it. That makes it an actually scary spell with serious gravitas.
>Dumblydor fookin dies
>Time turner that shit to him in the great hall during supper
>Motherfucker immediately ragdolls into a corpse at his podium thing in front of all the first years
>Panic insues
lol
>ragdolls
>THUMP-KATHUMPPA-BUMP-BUMP-KATHUMPTHUMP
>Dumbledore said calmly.
>One of his limbs stretches and hits a table sending plates flying with loud Bethesda clanging sounds
>falls through the floor as stretched limb jerks
>"Only the most powerful wizards can prevent clipping through world geometry" said Dumblecorpse with a twinkle in his eye
>"Buy my game" said the wizard Todd
>NOO NOT THE DUMBLYDOORS HURRY POOTER stated hagrid with agitated motions
Damn that would be a sick spell. Just fucking death no matter what you do
Think a few series have played with that idea of magic, stuff that fucks with causality or wipes someone from reality or whatever. Could be cool. But time travel in general tends towards stupid shit almost all of the time when played straight and is almost always a bad idea to include in a story. Same thing with PROPHECIES which are another classic "this is retarded and everything could have been done and been better without it". That she included both and the time stuff as a kind of throwaway gimmick just shows how lulrandum it was to start.
That'd be pretty hilarious, though probably the better way to do it would be "fixed your inevitable death at that exact moment in time no matter the world line, and from then on fate always conspires to have you die at that moment". Though maybe time games would still let you change the nature of your death in useful ways (like you take the other fag with you or something).
I actually think her prophecies were handled pretty well since they can be gamed a bit and aren't absolute. Harry or Neville could have been the subject of that one prophecy, depending on what moldy decided to do. It's when you get into absolutely accurate prophecies or multiple intersecting ones that you have problems. One prophecy that has to be taken literally, but carries no subtext at all is workable for a story.
yeah guess in fairness it wasn't horrible in hp vs most, but I still stand by saying the vast super majority of ZE CHOSEN ONE stories would have been the same or better if the hero was just a classic decent dude who ended up fighting for what's right without any choice destroying homosexualry making it all destined or some shit.
>She also let herself be baited by fans
I mean, yeah, but can't say it's particularly surprising given the circumstances. Not long before that she was poor as absolute fuck, her husband was a piece of shit and beat her, and then suddenly she turns into a megastar with millions of tweens and teens turning on her word and slick producers trying to option for movie rights and celebrity shit, all in a matter of like 4 years. First book had an initial run of <6000 copies, and then by book 3/4 it was selling fucking millions. And all this around the dawn of the general internet age too. Shit I was on BBS then AOL then by then Something Awful IIRC holy fuck was that forever ago.
Anyway can't say it's a surprise she got swept up in it as a newb author.
Which was dumb, because the answer was right fucking there.
>You can’t use a time turner to change things because it’s a stable time loop
it's like if roald dahl wrote 10 more sequels to The BFG, each one trying to get edgier and more grounded
Our good friends over at Raytheon and Lockheed have made sure that we have the tools necessary to handle a few carnival clown wizards.
I would use a high powere Microwave Directed Energy Weapon to cook those fuckers and make their heads explode. I would also make liberal use of the aptly named Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System II on any targets that are slow enough. But really, HP wizards aren't a threat to anyone with a rifle.
The British Military is a Potemkin Military. They couldn't handle a terrorist attack by some hanglider bros, much less some smokey-bros.
>They couldn't handle a terrorist attack by some hanglider bros
What? You mean the IDF and not the british military right
Who would win?
Voldemort himself vs. >(you) with a loaded Glock .40
Would you prevail?
What is the status of his whore-crux trinkets during this confrontation?
Couldn't wizards just come up with a force field spell to block bullets?
Yes. It is shown in the intial siege of hogwarts. But such a force field takes a while to develop an area and depending on the thing's size it can take multiple magic users to form it.
I mean more like a suit of armor style or sized one
Nothing like that has been shown, but something close was demonstrated in the theatrical film adaptation of the order of the phoenix when Dumbledore and Voldermort dueled in the ministry of magic. During one exchange between them they end up shattering all of the glass in the ministry offices. Voldermort enchants these shards and launches them like a swarm of frangible shrapnel towards Dumbledore who, quick on his feet, formed a protective shield that rendered the glass into grains of sand. Its not exactly bullet proof shield material and you still need to be able to cast it within human reaction times but its the closest available comparison.
DD is the Jerry Miculek of spellcasting tho
you wont bewitch me with those words!! GET THE ROPE, SUFFER NOT A WITCH TO LIVE
>"YA GOT A LOICENSE FOH DAT WAND M*?!?"
Also the fact that /k/ apparently knows this much about Harry Potter is disgusting.
You didn't read harry potter in school?
Everyone did
Harry Potter, in comparison to everything I read in school (that I chose to read) was boring. Dragons of Deltora was what was competing with HP when I was in about...6th grade. And those books kicked ass. On top of that my dad crammed a bunch of Tolkien shit in my face and made me read that too.
I also found Gossebumps more interesting. Then Spooksville. And if you want to stick to JUST fantasy, as I got older the Dresden Files bro. Dresden Files is what would happen if Harry went on /k/.
As stated above, I just found so much more cool stuff. And my parents introduced me to a lot of it.
OK? Anon, when you get older you'll hopefully come to understand a bit that knowing about something isn't the same as thinking it's great or even good. Some stuff you may just need to have some knowledge of to fit in with normals and office water cooler chatter or family or your children. I know about HP to some extent same as I know something about various megahit sitcoms or beanie babies or whatever.
Ok, which of the two people I replied to are you?
Look at this fucking hipster. He thinks he's better than other people because he didn't read Harry Potter.
>I read Dragons of Dildora, you probably haven't even heard of that!
Lol
Eh, if you had kids in that era anon kinda unavoidable for a lot of us though cultural zeitgeist has probably moved on by now.
I read Harry Potter and pretended to hate it in middle and high school just for the sake of being contrarian lol
The problem you have with the british wizard government, besides Rowling being a bad worldbuilding writer, is that most wizards want to be left the fuck alone. Extremists like Voldemort are a pain in the dick, but literally all of the wizard governments focus is on making sure wizardkind is left the fuck alone.
Like some kind of micronation that only has one ministry that makes sure motherfuckers stay away from their lawn.
With that context, you'll have to ask yourself what the point of an all out war with wizards should be.
We're not in antiquity or the middle ages where magic would be super useful, muggle tech is getting more sophisticated each day.
What british military planners would probably more likely propose is a joint task force with the Auror's office. A "you help me and I help you" kinda deal. MI5 needs some towelhead removed before he allahu snackbars a school? A wizard goes in with an SAS squad invis, whacks all the terrorists and then fucks off.
In turn, the wizards get live drone footage of some shack that is used by crazy evil mugglekiller dark wizard #29040.
Then the minister of magic gets live footage of white phosphorous eating inferi, stormshadow-chan blowing up the shack and a sick nade drop video of the evil wizard hiding in some hole.
Wizards don't really wanna fight all the muggles, more smart ones like Dumbledore know full well that muggles would fuck them up.
Furthermore, should the brit government decide to deal with the wizard menace in some way, they'll have plenty of collaborators from the magic world. Wizards not liking the current minister of magic, goblins offering their services to make muggle guns/getting hired by lockheed or squibs wanting revenge.
Also Trolls could be used for cheap construction labour.
Op here, I’m trans btw if that matters
Shut up you! The grown ups are talking.
Pepper spray and empty threats, ultimately running away like little girls.
>hide weapons under robes
>google glasses-like prototype helps ID targets
>hitman HVT's
Or just blow up the building
What you say
>Avada Kedavra!
What I say
>Oi, Suzy!
Put two blokes in a shed for a month and see what they come up with.
I never understood why people act like it’s so cool to hate on Harry Potter. Sure, JK is still a feminist cunt even if she also hates trannies, but this revulsion to Harry Potter just feels so forced. It’s like people just pretend to hate HP just to look cool
>look at me I hate this franchise of books and movies for middle schoolers, aren’t I so cool?
Did you people just spend your entire childhood scowling?
HP was always pretty mediocre and never should've been a series. I don't care about Rowling's politics as they apply to her artistic craft. I do find it funny she's been eaten alive by the people who used to be her most zealous defenders, though. Not that she cares about her twitter cred, considering her revenue is literally untouchable.
dunno, it was a great young adult book.
Maybe if it was the first book you ever read. Otherwise it was a poor-average children's book.
>Did you people just spend your entire childhood scowling?
NO.
/pouts
Its exclusive to twitter circles. At least from my experience in the UK boomers and millennials dont really give a fuck and HP merchandise is everywhere. HP world is packed at peak holiday seasons and Rowling still has a public image as a famous writer.
Muggles would be destoyed by wizards just by the teleport spell alone. Wizards still in high school can master teleporting anywhere they want at the blink of an eye. You can't wage war against something like that.
As soon as you start war with wizards they can just teleport to all of your leaders and kill them and then teleport away. You appoint new leaders? They just do it again.
I can't be the only one to think that all Volsemort would have accomplished is getting wizards rounded up and killed? I never really read into the expanded universe but surely Rowling acknowledged the gun factor at some point.
>I never really read into the expanded universe but surely Rowling acknowledged the gun factor at some point.
See this post:
Your enemy can teleport and assassinate any muggle in the world at any time. How do you wage war against this?
Even at his most powerful, he never openly showed himself to muggles, he just made them miserably by unleashing invisible monsters who feed on happiness and souls. He doesn't need to reveal wizards to anyone.
I guess that's fair, probably the smartest thing he did.
KINO INCOMING