How would the balance of power on the battlefield change if Ukraine suddenly had one (1) B-2?
How would the balance of power on the battlefield change if Ukraine suddenly had one (1) B-2?
How would the balance of power on the battlefield change if Ukraine suddenly had one (1) B-2?
It's not too different from having tomahawks.
B-2 with what payload? JDAMs? that would be extremely painful.
Russias a big country
Most russian's relevant MIC is between Moscow and the Urals.
>he doesn’t get the meme
NGMI shiggy diggy
You've just described an area that's 800 miles wide (Jacksonville to New York) and 1,700 miles long (New York to Idaho). 1,360,000 square miles.
if that area was a country it would be the 20th largest country in the world between Peru and Mongolia.
Did you know they have T-I-G-E-R-S
Big for you
Not much. B2 was stealthy when it had the entire ocean/pole to move around in, so it could use it's expensive ESM to detect gaps in radar coverage, move through them, then use an LPI radar to hunt for targets behind enemy lines in the vast wilderness of Russia.
In a modern cramped battlefield like Ukraine with lots of overlapping radars it has zero chance of penetrating airspace, probably less than even 4.5 gen fighters since it can't just run the gauntlet in nap of the earth.
It's primary use would be as a stand off weapons platform but Ukraine already has that as it's how Storm Shadow is getting delivered.
B2 was never intended for flying over the front lines.
it's a weapon delivery platform for long range atg missiles. it would be useful, but not overly, since Russian targets can easily be reached from Ukrainian ground. other systems would be more useful.
brother they flew drones right into moscow
>brother they flew drones right into moscow
Shitty home made drones that can fly low and slow. Likely flown from in or near Moscow. They didn't fly over all of Russia air defences at 600mph and 36k feet.
B2 gives you advantages but it has to be used correctly, it's not a cheat code where you're invisible.
>brother they flew drones right into moscow
they flew them into kyiv too
shitty small drones that can virtually hug the ground are not something modern radars have been designed to detect or fight against. thats why we are seeing the evolution of this in ukraine right now
a b2 is flying much higher
you do realize that sea skimmers and cruise missiles fly extremely low to the ground/sea right? The evolution is the density and proliferation of the threat, not the flight profile. Also if you're implying that a B-2 is less survivable than a cheap drone because it's a 50k feet then holy kek no.
yes, thats why cruise missiles and sea skimmers are shot down by SHORAD with the appropriate radar systems, not things like s400
SHORAD isn't the only thing that deals with cruise missiles, the S-400 for example has more than one missile type, the 9M96 has a cruise missile capability apparently. We've also seen medium range systems like NASAMS and IRIS-T deal with cruise missiles quite well too but that wasn't my point. I was saying that the issue with drones is how cheap they are to spam compared to missiles that fly at the same heights. The low flying shit is challenging but not anything new, what is new is just how many threats are in the air now.
>toy drones loaded with fireworks-tier explosives that were deployed somewhere near Moscow
I want to pet the 71 ton warmachine
>overlapping radars it has zero chance of penetrating airspace
>B2 was never intended for flying over the front lines
Actual moron that probably spent 2 minutes on google reading clickbait article. Ignoring the consistent failures of Russian sensors and AD against all manner of threats this environment full of overlapping radars is exactly what the B-2 was designed for.
You think B2 was designed to fly though the thickets air defences and not around them? might be you who needs some education.
B2 has three main missions, all involved flying over the pole and not over European frontlines.
1. Stand off first strike, get as close as you can and then dump AGM-126's
2. Deep penetration strike, same approach route getting deep into Russia before gravity bombing high value targets
3. Counter force search and destroy, as above, approach over the poles, get into the Russian wilderness and start hunting ICBM TEL's with an LPI radar and EO sensors.
All of these missions rely on the powerful sensors on B2 and it's long range, combined with low profile to thread the needle through gaps in radar coverage in a vast landscape. It would be dogshit at trying to directly overfly an IADS.
>he's trying to imply the B-52 wouldn't use SRAMs in support
Yes, because AGM-69 was never integrated on B2. Like I said, I think it's you who needs an education.
He didn't say it was, he said B-52 moron. Your whole argument strategy is trying to make counterpoints against arguments no one is making lel, it's pathetic
>You think B2 was designed to fly though the thickets air defences and not around them
No. I'm just saying that you're moronic if you think this current overlapping radar environment in Ukraine is something that it can't handle. If you're going to try an argue semantics and try and say I'm claiming it LITERALLY will fly right over an IADS you're fricking moronic and also disingenuous. The rest of your post outlining it's missions is irrelevant and frankly a weak attempt to look like you know shit. Please go back.
Thankfully what you think isn't important considering your lack of knowledge about B2's limitations. You're so fragile you see well understood stealth aircraft doctrine as some kind of insult. Perhaps you're just totally oblivious to the quantities of air defence in Russia and Belarus?
>b-2 has zero chance, because... it just DOESN'T okay!
So far you've tried a moronic strawman about flying over an IADS and now you're just spouting shit about vatniks and their vassal having a lot of air defense kek. Please tell me based stealth expert anon, why exactly could the B-2 not deal with russias air defense. Be specific, tell me why what specific radars and bandwidths would make the chance zero, don't forget electronic warfare system on the B-2 and the wavelengths it's optimized to defeat.
how about you suck it out of my wiener?
and there it is kek, the cope and deflection because you know frick all. Also nice projection immediately mentioning wiener, thanks for the (you)s homosexual.
Or maybe you asking time wasting questions instead of presenting an argument gets exactly what is merits - contempt. You've had all of my time that you're going to get.
Kek but anon, All you gotta do is prove your point anon, tell us all why the B-2 has zero chance. You'd make me look like a complete moron if you did, and all you have to do is back up your claim. Why can't you? Surely it should be easy right?
It can handle the environment in that it would be able to get a bit closer to air defense meaning it could potentially hit targets with cruise missiles that non LO aircraft couldn't, but there are other, cheaper aircraft that could do the same thing. The B-2 wouldn't be able to play to its strengths in Ukraine, it's a long range strategic bomber, not a strike aircraft.
>It can handle the environment in that it would be able to get a bit closer to air defense meaning it could potentially hit targets with cruise missiles
Actual moron take. A huge plus of cruise missiles is standoff, you don't NEED to be close to fire so that entire notion that a VLO flying wings only advantage over cheaper airframes is that it can toss it's standoff weapons from closer is fricking dumb. Like yes, you're correct that if you need a bomb truck to toss JASSMs you easily can get something like Rapid Dragon out of a cargo plane and save a shitload of money but it's not going to fly into the rear and shit on a bunker with a MOP.
It would handle the environment in that it's signature would be so low the gaps between even overlapped radars would be exploitable, and early warning radars in UHF and VHF that are currently employed by the Russians would likely still struggle to generate weapons quality tracks at a meaningful range considering the EW system on the B-2 is optimized to deal with Bands in the MHz range and even some L-band radars given their abysmal performance against low signature drones, many of which are designed with zero concern for stealth.
the f117 has a smaller RCS than the b2 and was shot down by some serbs armed with shitty s125's
stop the cope and stop being so incredibly defensive
0/10 low effort and extremely obvious.
except its literally true
>f117 rcs smaller than b2
yeah im gonna need a source on that
Based moron doesn't know that opening bomb bays paints a massive target on your back and the f117 flew along the exact same path multiple times
Im going with the other guy, you seem like a gay
>all involved flying over the pole and not over European frontlines
could it be thats literally the shortest way to every major enemy of the us....no that cant be...
>Her outer elevons are open for us to see
She's so tired of not being seen that she has a bit of an exhibitionist streak I see
>needs specialized climate controlled hangars
>extremely long range bomber based in Ukraine
It'd get fricking slaughtered, the Russians would stop at nothing to kill it. In the air it would be mostly safe but whenever it was on the ground (and these things require a LOTTT of maintenance) it would have TBMs thrown at it continuously.
If it were based in, say, Morocco, with guaranteed flight through Turkish airspace though? It could probably suppress all Russian activity south of Belgorod when it was in theater.
the b2 is a long range stealth strategic bomber capable of striking from effectively anywhere in the world without anyone knowing they were even taking off
it makes zero sense having them so close to the battlefield and letting everyone know you have them
When the frick are the ayys gonna show up. I want to see the US in a peer conflict
This picture is all you need to know. The b2 has huge range and the JASSM it’s dropping has double the range of the storm shadow land storm shadow is absolutely wrecking Russians right now
your ban expire?
Come again?
A single plane of a single platform wont do shit at the end of the day really. It would be useful for sure but for the price of one plane you could give them a shitton of long range ground missiles instead and they would be far better off.
Ukraine already has aid from NATO and America and Russia is being ignored by China, so I think Ukraine already has the advantage.
Shooting it down would be a huge PR victory for Russia, so having 1 of these is just a negative.
It’d be utterly useless since nobody knows how to fly or maintain them
>How would the balance of power on the battlefield change if Ukraine suddenly had one (1)
it wouldn't. doesn't matter what they have one (1) of, even if it's a fricking ICBM with all its megaton nuke-tipped MIRVs. there is nothing out there that can win a war in one instance.
Depends on how many B83s it has on board
why havent they developed a system thats basically just "camera pointed at sky" with a crazy telescopic wide angle lense and just track these by sight. even if its only effective during the day and at lower altitudes, each unit would cost you, what, 5 grand tops and fits in the space of a closet.
>a crazy telescopic wide angle lense
These things are mutually exclusive. High zoom levels means a narrow FOV, a wide FOV means you'd need massive high resolution sensors to be able to resolve details at long distance. Higher resolution images take huge amounts of memory to store, and lots of computational power to process. Consumer grade camera lenses can cost several grand on their own, film quality ones are tens of thousands of dollars, I don't even want to think about how much optics for a system like this would cost. Something like this could cost millions per unit, easily.
What I've seen amateurs do is create an array of smart phone cameras and compose a high resolution picture that way. I'm not suggesting this is in any way viable, just putting it out there.
carpet bombing of strategic bombers' airbase and black-sea fleet
They would sell it to Israel or China for 500 dollars and ask for a replacement.
we are going to release these
Without long range standoff munitions it would get shot down, with them it would basically be ATACMS but with a much higher logistical support requirement.
If you want to give Ukraine a single plane and have it make a difference give them a SR-71, while it's obsolete for recon it would make Russia waste every SAM they have trying to hit it.
I like to imagine ukies launching this beast to drop one vog/f1 on some dude in the trench
I mean they could frick up the Kerch bridge with impunity.
they could troll the frick out of Putin with a countdown timer and a live feed of the bridge shortly before showtime.
not knowing how the frick that thing would be blown up or even what/if anything would happen; imagine the fricking despair as it disintegrates into smoke and tidal waves.