How would the American military fare in drone warfare?

How would the American military fare in drone warfare? Do they have the equipment available to disable them or would they take similar punishment to what the Russians are taking?
Could an American government even stay in office if such videos of soldiers getting helplessly slaughtered kept getting published?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how would the american military fare in drone warfare

    Black person we invented it. How old were you in 2008?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He said drone not UAV

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >drone not UAV

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You KNOW he means a quadcopter style machine, tartlet

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >drone not UAV

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You invented 15 mill a piece tech able to devastate the goatfricker wedding. Dont forget 50k per flying hour or something. Neither of it has anything to do with a present and future of drone warfare.

      On a serious note, how good is american EW? Russians are circlejerking themselves since forever and it is so-so at best, never heard about anything of a kind at NATO disposal.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know that Humwees on patrol were equiped with jammers to prevent IEDs activation back in 2008, so systems must be plentifull, but how good are they, actually?

        do you actually expect responses to these questions or is the point just to FUD?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russians are circlejerking themselves since forever and it is so-so at best
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/05/22/ukraine-drones-losses-are-10000-per-month/
        >Ukraine Drone Losses Are ‘10,000 Per Month’

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those grenades and RPG warheads aren't cheap.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So, this staggering number sums up to like .66 of one loss of Reaper per month.

          [...]
          do you actually expect responses to these questions or is the point just to FUD?

          Both

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Quadcopters and most other robotics innovation are MIT projects funded by DARPA and DARPA adjacent interests.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NATO EW is decades ahead of any Russian system because Russians can't source modern high performance radio ICs. They can make MMICs or ASICs at a significant cost but they have zero actually adaptible transceivers, and if there was an industrial demand the US could probably equip a lot of soldiers with some 5-10k$ drone detection and jamming kit. Nevermind airborne jamming and the like which is what you would want to protect e.g. a spearhead

        EW is a 'zero-day' capability in the sense that you do not want to reveal the capabilities until necessary because most techniques ultimately can be countered

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was telling when they bragged about the EW system they were installing on tanks and just how narrow its operating range was.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The U.S. could equip every soldier with anti-droning devices
          Surely this is science fiction.. The U.S. doesn't have that ability, does it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See

            It would be a Humvee in the GWOT situation.
            >year one
            >not enough jammers
            >not enough AAA

            >year 2
            >jammers have started flooding in

            >year 3
            >specilized anti-drone AAA has been fielded

            >year 4
            >after combat use the AAA has been revised and entered serial production

            This timeline can be speed up or slowed down based on drone produced casualties.
            If they are losing 500 men a day it might take 1 year for the lot.
            If they are losing 2 men a month it might take 10 years.

            Like the GWOT they will go into the next war missing capabilites they didn't even know they would need.
            The good news is if you throw enough money at the MIC they can get shit done and any shortcomings could be solved for a couple of hundred billion.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The bog standard US infantryman has at least $20k worth of shit, they would absolutely issue jamming equipment at at least the squad level, same as they did with rf jammers in GWOT

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Does the biggest MIC customer on the planet have the ability to do this? Yes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was slightly hyperbole, but equipping every man or atleast fireteam with a device that counters commercial drones and maybe some purpose-built military ones (really depends on the quality, countering every single possible drone is of course not possible) is very doable. My understanding is that .mil does EW support at higher echelons which really made sense in the past because electronic threats themselves were typically divisional, e.g. radars, enemy RF links, enemy comms, and small ground based jammers are ultimately a really inefficient way to jam an airborne target, but it absolutely can be done. If high quality jamming resistant threats arise, then detecting drone emissions is atleast helpful

            My bet is that Israel (and the US does or will do so in an appropriate conflict) primarily jams from the air where you can absolutely overwhelm the radios without obstacles, and you can directly attack the drone video downlink.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why on earth would anyone in their right mind opt for the Stone Age method of human carriers for anti-drone systems when we're living in the age of advanced technology? It's like trying to fight a tank with a slingshot. Seriously, who dreams up this stuff? You're essentially putting a big, fat target on the field, ripe for enemy fire, just so they can lug around a contraption that could easily be handled by a smarter, more efficient counterpart—another drone.

              Let's get real here. What exactly is the added value of having a human schlepping around with a so-called anti-drone system? Apart from being a liability and a drain on resources, they're essentially glorified pack mules with a side of misplaced machismo, toting around gear that could be seamlessly integrated into a sleek, agile drone. Why waste time and money on such a laughably outdated approach when we have the technology to do it smarter and safer?

              Imagine this: instead of some poor soul sweating it out in the field, you have a nimble, intelligent drone, equipped with real-time data from the entire battlefield, analyzing threats and neutralizing them with surgical precision. It's a no-brainer, really. So, let's leave the caveman tactics where they belong—in the history books—and embrace the future of warfare with innovation, not antiquated bravado

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                frick off GPT spammer.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >what is pitbull, beam, prophet, duke, etc etc
            manpack EW has been a thing since the 00s or earlier.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My friend worked with a company who's under contract for the US govt for this sort of thing. I can't say a lot but what we have in terms of anti-drone microwaves are much better than what you'll see in Ukraine. It would still be a problem for quick moving suicide drones but these videos you see of drones adjusting for 3 minutes before dropping a bomb on some snowBlack person wouldn't happen, at least not nearly as much

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >anti-drone microwaves are much better than what you'll see in Ukraine
      you actually believe your own moronic shit?
      >anti-drone microwaves
      >in Ukraine
      at least be less obvious

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My friend of 8 years who almost exclusively flies drones as a hobby who also has a Mechanical Engineering degree from the best engineering school on the west coast must be a complete fricking moron then, just like the dozens of videos I saw of drones getting taken out from a mile away.
        Try feeling anything except pride and contempt and maybe you'll get somewhere. Stick to your 1911 lil fuddy

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >shitty commercial drones without any shielding
          >look microwave weapons work

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but I'm familiar with the system you are likely referring to and while I think it is really fricking cool I have my doubts about the practically of trucking dozens of twenty foot tall microwave phased arrays through a warzone. Mobile SAAM site survivability is generally measured in minutes after the radar is turned on for even a few seconds...

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really depends on how competent the enemy would be. Ukraine has used drones very effectively but something like the Taliban wouldn't be able to.

    Drones would be a problem for maybe 6 months into the conflict before anti drone systems are provided to the US troops.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know that Humwees on patrol were equiped with jammers to prevent IEDs activation back in 2008, so systems must be plentifull, but how good are they, actually?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Humwees on patrol were equiped with jammers to prevent IEDs
        Those were Warlock boxes. There were a couple of variants. Warlock Red worked on one set of frequencies, Warlock Blue worked on a superset of those frequencies.
        > idea was to block cell frequencies
        > garage door openers
        > one other that I forget
        > hadji was using cheap cell phones or garage door openers to command detonate IEDs
        t. saw a freq counter light up when Warlock was turned on

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would probably adapt faster because of the sheer money available and the size of MIC.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its gonna be situational. Mass use of fpv drones on vulnerable troops like we've seen in Ukraine is enabled by the fairly static front line. In any conventional conflict the US would be involved in the line would move quickly and there wouldn't be as much opportunity. So the other scenario where you would see it, and we have, is in lower intensity operations. ISIS and ISIL have used small drones as weapons for years in Iraq and Syria and the US is one of the more experienced forces in dealing with them. What we see in Ukraine isn't strictly new. The scale and rapid pace of innovation is. But consumer quadcopters used as weapons has been going almost as long as they've been on the market. Because of that the US has deployed various counter drone systems over the last decade including man pack EW systems, smart scopes so you can actually shoot them down and vehicle mounter counter-UAS systems too.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be a Humvee in the GWOT situation.
    >year one
    >not enough jammers
    >not enough AAA

    >year 2
    >jammers have started flooding in

    >year 3
    >specilized anti-drone AAA has been fielded

    >year 4
    >after combat use the AAA has been revised and entered serial production

    This timeline can be speed up or slowed down based on drone produced casualties.
    If they are losing 500 men a day it might take 1 year for the lot.
    If they are losing 2 men a month it might take 10 years.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When I was in all the vehicles outside the wire had rf jammers.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US would shit out palletized airport security lasers since fpv drones are usually similar to the drones flown by idiots into airfields. Thats if you could even launch your drones with all the interference. Id recon even shortwave would be nigh unusable.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we've been dealing with these for decades. Useful consumer drones have been available for about 15 years and the US military has had deployed, effective jammers for about that long.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US military arguably introduced drone warfare itself with larger UAVs, which were emulated with the weaponization of small commercial drones.

    Small drone warfare itself is still evolving, conventional armed forces have a much greater potential to create swarms/fleets of manufactured drone weapons. The commercial drone rigged with an IED is an evolution of the typical landmine IED for guerrillas.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Future conflicts will test the efficacy of anti-drone measures, which are manufactured from both conventional and improvised explosives.

      Cost effectiveness is very striking. Fully armored tanks worth millions destroyed/disabled by a device that can be manufactured, especially when using IED munitions, for very cheaply. Tank destroying mines have been made for under one hundred dollars. The same recipe, say sodium chlorate plastic explosive, can be adapted to small drones to great effect at cost.

      Cost effectiveness means accessibility and volume in an insurgent force that is educated and trained in the manufacture of IEDs, as well as high potential for the same in a conventional force with an established manufacturing base.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The same recipe, say sodium chlorate plastic explosive

        Sodium chlorate can be manufactured as a substitute for potassium chlorate for PE filler, like the IED recipe in TM 31-210. This was accomplished by electrolysis of a salt water and sulfuric acid solution, the mechanism is complex but the process is simple:

        Two copper/lead rods are rigged to an installed car battery (say a pickup truck) with jumpers. The rods are lowered into the salt water acid solution and the truck engine is accelerated to drive a current through the solution to produce the salts.

        The process is about 64 hours and is performed in shifts, the resulting salts are a purity suitable for plastic explosive in a 9:1 ratio with petroleum jelly (vaseline).

        This is the recipe that Western intelligence gave to Middle Eastern insurgents to use against American forces.

        There are more detailed documents published, many were translated to Arabic, have prepared a more detailed guide from these sources for anti-government forces and all friends in the holy struggle against international zionism.

        In this is a poetic justice for the Lord. Our zionist government betrays the US military and the American people, trains and creates our enemies for corrupt reasons. Now this same physical IED recipe can be used to empower the people against the same corrupt authority. This is not some coincidence, God has designed all things.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Awwshit, the christBlack person is back.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, we literally dealt with them in 2014 when we went back to iraq. We still are improving our anti drone defenses since the war has given enough data for it. Aside from that, these type of drone warfare has been in use for a while. ISIS were the one that popularized the use of commerical drones for their own operations.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ISIS and other terrorists have been using them forever, the quickest solution to the problem is to have the air force identify and destroy the places they're being manufactured and to assassinate the suppliers and engineers who can put them together. Neither air force in the Ukraine war is capable of doing that. Other solutions were nets jammers and devices that let them disable and hijack drones. The US and UK are also investing heavily into lasers that can take down swarms of the things, the UK tested one a few months back

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