Ignoring nukes, excellent in the short term, poorly in the long term. Take Moscow but quickly relearn that trying to hold on to a population that doesn't want you in control of them or trying to get an entire people to change their values to match yours just doesn't work. As we should have learned from the middle east.
Military hardware is still going to get stolen and vandalized, they're never going to put effort into building the Western democracy America would try to force on them. Resistance may not take the exact same form as it did in the middle east, but it'd still be a money pit with no hope of anything ever coming out of it.
How would America fare if it tried to invade Russia?
>How would America fare if it tried to invade Russia
it would lose the entirety of its naval forces, surface and sub, and most of its aircraft along with most of its land forces. All military bases out of USA would be destroyed. Almost all embassies would be destroyed. All naval battle groups would be destroyed within a very small amount of time.
Ignoring nukes, and all other weapons of that kind.
Military hardware is still going to get stolen and vandalized, they're never going to put effort into building the Western democracy America would try to force on them. Resistance may not take the exact same form as it did in the middle east, but it'd still be a money pit with no hope of anything ever coming out of it.
Even a passive resistance would make continued occupation hell. You need a population that's gung-ho about being reformed to make it worthwhile. It happened with post WWII Japan and we're still high on that working even though it'll probably never work again.
It wasnt the population it's that Japan had a working bureaucracy and the Us mostly kept it intact. So everyone was still working under the same structures just with a us army commander on top instead of the emperor. That's why afghanistan is such a shitshow but Iraq is far more stable. It's a hard balance to get a puppet popular enough to not spawn more revolutions
Japan also had the Emperor endorse the US stuff. So it was a flip from expecting to be tortured by US pigs for losing to the Emperor saying "hey these guys are alright, let's play along".
At a museum in one of the tiny island's off the last coast I read that the women were given cyanide pills because they were worried American's would rape them to death(because it's what maps did to prisoner women), and instead mixed race marriages mean the island is like 20% Irish descended now lmao.
will never happen no matter how much vatniks want to dream. the simple truth of the matter is nobody wants russia, they want russia to fuck off and leave them alone. russia will never be conquered simply because nobody wants to deal with russians afterwards.
How would America fare if it tried to invade Russia?
depends on scope. Invade to remove monke? They'd fare very well. Taking it over? Poorly.
It's very hard to hold territory with civilians that hate you but it's also a big modern no no to force people to move or genocide them
Depends. If nukes are involved, it would go badly. maybe the US could deploy some kind of advance "Iron Dome", Aegis systems, and other anti-ICBM systems, but could never get them all. So while the US would "win" in the long run if it really really wanted to, it would probably take too much damage to make it worth it.
If nukes are excluded, the US would probably be successful. Just include cheap vodka, food, and economic opportunities with the invasion. Take full advantage of collaborators and setup a new "legitimate" regime as soon as possible.
I wonder if you payed the Wagner group enough, if they would turn against the russian government?
>I wonder if you payed the Wagner group enough, if they would turn against the russian government?
Just imagine the most Hollywood CIA stereotype dude saying to them "Think about how much your government pays you to die. We'll pay you double to live."
The US wouldn't invade Russia
Instead the plan is destroying Russian armed forces until they are incapable of conventional aggression
Invading Russia does not fare
Could the archetypal western society and soldiery of the US withstand the onslaught and horrors witnessed by Russians and Ukrainians for the past one and half years?
I highly doubt a western army and society can stomach real war. > t. quasi westerner
WW2 says 'yes.' They wouldn't have to though, because the US actually has PGMs, tanks that can reverse, and useful airplanes.
In a strictly conventional war the US would've concluded this thing in summer and all that'd be going on now is executing government officials and deciding which American companies get monopolies over which resources.
What does WW2 have to do with 2023?
Is the american society of 1930s the same as the contemporary?
I'm from a much delayed/ rougher western society and can adamantly state that we in no way measure up to our ancestors of the 30s, 40s in terms of corporeal and mental fortitude and hardiness.
My point revolves around collective societal fortitude to withstand the impact of all out war and don't really care for tech banter. I can't see how degenerate zoomers can hold it together for years in a warzone equivalent to Ukraine.
America would exert such incredibly overwhelming air superiority that Russia would never get another artillery round off and turn the theater into a cushy one sided war like we did in the Middle East. US casualties would be in the margin of error to the point background suicide rate is higher than death in the line of duty. The biggest daily struggle is coping with the fact we only flew over a Burger King truck but they want a Big Mac.
America can't stomach war like we're seeing in Ukraine NOW, but it doesn't matter because that's not what war looks like once America's fucking hilarious number of aircraft and carriers get involved.
>you may have decapitated the government and destroyed 98% of our military but you didn't completely take over the country so we won
kek i can hear it already
Russia would bend the knee to the Marvel Alliance
accurate.
Total Zister Genocide
Probably fine.
Ignoring nukes, excellent in the short term, poorly in the long term. Take Moscow but quickly relearn that trying to hold on to a population that doesn't want you in control of them or trying to get an entire people to change their values to match yours just doesn't work. As we should have learned from the middle east.
Russians have no fight in them. They're a bunch of beaten dogs that will bow to whoever is in power.
Military hardware is still going to get stolen and vandalized, they're never going to put effort into building the Western democracy America would try to force on them. Resistance may not take the exact same form as it did in the middle east, but it'd still be a money pit with no hope of anything ever coming out of it.
>Ignoring nukes,
>How would America fare if it tried to invade Russia
it would lose the entirety of its naval forces, surface and sub, and most of its aircraft along with most of its land forces. All military bases out of USA would be destroyed. Almost all embassies would be destroyed. All naval battle groups would be destroyed within a very small amount of time.
Ignoring nukes, and all other weapons of that kind.
Amish would survive though.
oh Lord anon, you can't do that to me
the FAA called pissed that I launched my sides into orbit without flight clearance.
>Take Moscow but quickly relearn that trying to hold on to a population that doesn't want you in control
Comparing sand chads to servile monkeys
See
Even a passive resistance would make continued occupation hell. You need a population that's gung-ho about being reformed to make it worthwhile. It happened with post WWII Japan and we're still high on that working even though it'll probably never work again.
It wasnt the population it's that Japan had a working bureaucracy and the Us mostly kept it intact. So everyone was still working under the same structures just with a us army commander on top instead of the emperor. That's why afghanistan is such a shitshow but Iraq is far more stable. It's a hard balance to get a puppet popular enough to not spawn more revolutions
Japan also had the Emperor endorse the US stuff. So it was a flip from expecting to be tortured by US pigs for losing to the Emperor saying "hey these guys are alright, let's play along".
At a museum in one of the tiny island's off the last coast I read that the women were given cyanide pills because they were worried American's would rape them to death(because it's what maps did to prisoner women), and instead mixed race marriages mean the island is like 20% Irish descended now lmao.
Well the only context in which a country would try to invade the US is after it had already been hit with probably 100 nuclear bombs.
read the op again
100% casualty rate. Russian women would suck the dicks right off their pelvises in exchange for a green card.
>invade russia
will never happen no matter how much vatniks want to dream. the simple truth of the matter is nobody wants russia, they want russia to fuck off and leave them alone. russia will never be conquered simply because nobody wants to deal with russians afterwards.
This but
depends on scope. Invade to remove monke? They'd fare very well. Taking it over? Poorly.
It's very hard to hold territory with civilians that hate you but it's also a big modern no no to force people to move or genocide them
Depends. If nukes are involved, it would go badly. maybe the US could deploy some kind of advance "Iron Dome", Aegis systems, and other anti-ICBM systems, but could never get them all. So while the US would "win" in the long run if it really really wanted to, it would probably take too much damage to make it worth it.
If nukes are excluded, the US would probably be successful. Just include cheap vodka, food, and economic opportunities with the invasion. Take full advantage of collaborators and setup a new "legitimate" regime as soon as possible.
I wonder if you payed the Wagner group enough, if they would turn against the russian government?
>I wonder if you payed the Wagner group enough, if they would turn against the russian government?
Just imagine the most Hollywood CIA stereotype dude saying to them "Think about how much your government pays you to die. We'll pay you double to live."
For what purpose. Destroying its military amd economy while encouraging ethnic rebellion against the government would be far more successful.
Moscow in three weeks
The US wouldn't invade Russia
Instead the plan is destroying Russian armed forces until they are incapable of conventional aggression
Invading Russia does not fare
not well lets be honest
not like we even have to anywyas
>inb4 vatnik
They wouldn't. They'd just kill Russians and then let the state collapse.
>pic related
If you actually invade you're assuming responsibility for the country afterwards.
Could the archetypal western society and soldiery of the US withstand the onslaught and horrors witnessed by Russians and Ukrainians for the past one and half years?
I highly doubt a western army and society can stomach real war.
> t. quasi westerner
WW2 says 'yes.' They wouldn't have to though, because the US actually has PGMs, tanks that can reverse, and useful airplanes.
In a strictly conventional war the US would've concluded this thing in summer and all that'd be going on now is executing government officials and deciding which American companies get monopolies over which resources.
What does WW2 have to do with 2023?
Is the american society of 1930s the same as the contemporary?
I'm from a much delayed/ rougher western society and can adamantly state that we in no way measure up to our ancestors of the 30s, 40s in terms of corporeal and mental fortitude and hardiness.
My point revolves around collective societal fortitude to withstand the impact of all out war and don't really care for tech banter. I can't see how degenerate zoomers can hold it together for years in a warzone equivalent to Ukraine.
All those ukie zoomers look like they can fight and that's good enough.
I would gladly observe the corn fed American society test its' advertised mettle in the Ukrainian hellscape. Believe you me, anon.
America would exert such incredibly overwhelming air superiority that Russia would never get another artillery round off and turn the theater into a cushy one sided war like we did in the Middle East. US casualties would be in the margin of error to the point background suicide rate is higher than death in the line of duty. The biggest daily struggle is coping with the fact we only flew over a Burger King truck but they want a Big Mac.
America can't stomach war like we're seeing in Ukraine NOW, but it doesn't matter because that's not what war looks like once America's fucking hilarious number of aircraft and carriers get involved.
It would have no purpose like trying to carjack a bum pushing an empty shopping cart. Russia has already self-inflicted all the damage.
>you may have decapitated the government and destroyed 98% of our military but you didn't completely take over the country so we won
kek i can hear it already
yes this is the ukrokope as they wither away their soldiers at bakhmut soon they will have no army left and the ruling regime will collapse