How will this winter affect through the russo-ukrainian war? Which side will have the advantage?

How will this winter affect through the russo-ukrainian war? Which side will have the advantage?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian Logistics are still massively vulnerable.

    Advantage: Ukraine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. The normal Russian advantage in winter is lost because they are attacking not defending. Also this will be Ukrainian land subjected to a Ukrainian winter. Home field advantage is a real factor.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I heard the Ukrainians have gotten like 200k sets of winter clothing from NATO. What do the Russians have? All their winter clothing is probably moth eaten.

        Also Yurop just had the hottest summer in living memory, I'm not sure they'll be freezing. Like holy shit winters have been getting warmer over the past few years. Forgive me for drama gayry but I'm from WNY and when I was a kid in the 90s we used to have huge, terrible blizzards. For the past few years though we barely have roads closed more than once or twice. If it's the same in Yurop, they might well have problems but winter will no longer be one.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only way Europe's gonna have cold winters is if the gulf stream kicks the bucket

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hoosier Reich here.

          Use to get 2-5 blizzards yearly here and the last 5 or so years I've been able to ride my motorcycle during Feb/March in 70+ weather, summer was hot as shit here locally they were breaking records monthly on new highs.

          Climate change is my guess but who fucking knows.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Southern Bavaria here, like half an hours drive from the Alps.)

          In my childhood we used to have power outtages and entire villages getting cut off by heavy snowfall almost every winter. Nowadays we don't even get half a meter of snow anymore most of the time. I went to fucking school at -10-20°C during the coldest parts of winter, nowadays it's rare that we get -10.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I went to fucking school at -10-20°C
            Why would you not go to school just because its a bit cold?
            Also the reason you don't get power outages may also be technical in many places power lines were put underground instead making power outages from snow a thing of the past.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well, -20 was kinda shit. Standing aorund waiting for the schoolbus at that kinda temperature (and you'll have to wait, because it'll be late when the weather is that shit) was a pain in the ass.

              My old home village never had the power lines moved udnerground, we're truly in the middle of nowhere by centrla european standards. Like, 18km before you even hit anything bigger than another village. We've had windmills and a small garbage/biocompost-burning plant pop up in the municipality, though, which does kinda help I guess.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its always unnerving to me when Christmas music plays and it's 20C and sunny outside. And children from this century will think a white Christmas with snow and cold is weird.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What do the Russians have? All their winter clothing is probably moth eaten.
          Is advantage of huge losses, each soldier get two sets of jacket! HATO BTFO!!!

          >Forgive me for drama gayry but I'm from WNY and when I was a kid in the 90s we used to have huge, terrible blizzards.
          Dude, I'm from Chicongo, and the Blizzard of 1979 is legendary there. Your 1990s winters were mild in comparison to the late 1970s.

          But the thing about "climate change" is that the climate is ALWAYS changing -- and right now, we're nearing the END of the typical cyclic 10,000 year "interglacial" period. This is because the Sun has a cooldown mode for about 50,000 to 100,000 years, and then goes into a hot mode for about 10,000 years. It's a cycle that has repeated for as far back as geologists can track. Just like there is an 11-year (really 22-year) sunspot cycle, which ALSO has a (much smaller) heating cycle associated with it.

          The reality is that while our puny "greenhouse gases" might have a tiny effect, the sun going out will have a much larger effect, and that's due any day now. We are actually overdue for the cooldown period. And no, that's not a human thing, we have about as much effect on the Sun's internal fusion processes as we have on the black hole at the center of the galaxy in the direction of Sagittarius.

          tl;dr buy land in Ecuador, and no I'm not joking. Your great-great-grandkids will fucking freeze to death otherwise.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Dude, I'm from Chicongo
            Sorry, I meant "Dude, I am Steve from Chicongo Oblast".

            Dammit, missed an opportunity there.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Also Yurop just had the hottest summer in living memory, I'm not sure they'll be freezing.
          anon, that's not how this "climate is fucked up" shit is working

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, Europe's winters can still get pretty nippy, what with climate change fucking everything up. Still, they've had worse. I feel like the Russians are projecting about the harshness of the winter that they are so looking forward to.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What do the Russians have?
          Serbian Cum

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Isn't the snow and cold more helpful for defensive? Ukraine is now making the lead for ofensive

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We can send Ukraine a million logistical vehicles and more winter combat gear than they know what to do with.

        russia will reclaim their ancestral lands after all the euros freeze to death without their precious gas

        It's NOT your land. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only if you can actually supply the defenders with the stuff to survive the winter.
        Frozen corpses make good scarecrows, not that good fighters

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just imagine how many photos like this we are going to see of posed bodies

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Soviets made big fat counterattacks in the winter, they didn't just dig in. The Russians need to consolidate their logistics because if they're even a little bit overextended it will be punished.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Soviets had weapons. Russia ain’t the Soviets.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        logistics logistics logistics
        Ukraine is being pushed by the hands of a combined NATO and the doctrine and manufacturing might each country's MIC can contribute, while russia is hemorrhaging trucks, supplies, and pretty much everything while their MIC is struggling to procure various critical materials.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ukraine will have a large advantage in the winter. not so much in terms of momvement but with targeted fuel and supplpies and destroying morale for the russians. they will also have a nice targeting of russian supply channel that will exist between azov sea and ukrainian controlled territory. i think they can really bleed russia through there and across dniper river. it will likely just be all about bleeding russia and russia will bleed a lot

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russia will reclaim their ancestral lands after all the euros freeze to death without their precious gas

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I spent a winter being homeless in Scandinavia. Cold is comfy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's fucking crazy. I live in Tahoe California, we have tons of snow >30 feet per year and some hardcore homeless bums maybe 10 that camp outside make fires, you name it. Most Homeless in the US migrate to LA for winter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        where though? the location makes a big difference you are going from -3 in some parts to -27 in others

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      European gas reserves are at 95%.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if everything actually gets frozen over then russia
        ukraine wont be able to flood their fucking country again to stop the russians
        they did it in kiev and basicly stalled them

        lmao no its not not a single country that actually has strategic reserves are at 90% germany is at 83%

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        EU reserves are at 83% on average, the 80% target was for the 1st of November. So not as amazing but pretty good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >3 months forecast is "warmer than usual" in a region where it only snows like twice a decade
      Sorry, looks like God isn't on your side.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >God literally wants russia to lose.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know how the saying goes that God fights on the side with the better artillery?
          Russia
          >Wastes a ton of PGMs on civilian targets and empty fields
          >Most of its PGMs and rocket artillery turned out to be horrendously inaccurate
          >Gun artillery is passable at best
          >Buying artillery shells from the norks
          Ukraine
          >Using a mixture of older Soviet artillery and modern NATO artillery, such as the Krab, PzH 2000, HIMARS, and M777
          >The NATO stuff is all equally or longer ranged than its Russian counterparts and is more accurate in all cases

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know, you vatmorons better hope and pray to god that the Euros won't freeze to death. Because if they do, they will burn you and your shithole nation to keep themselves warm.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like the implication that this war will drag on into 2023 btw, nice year-long "3 days special operation" you got there

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Implication hell, that's the Ukrainian command's expectations. There was an article on UkrInform yesterday, and the translation of one of the paragraphs is, to borrow a metaphor, chilling.

        https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/3566162-ak-zabezpeciti-voennu-kampaniu-u-202
        3-roci-ukrainskij-poglad.html

        > Only in this case can we discuss the impact on the real center of gravity of the Russian Federation in this war. It lies in its "remote" - in the understanding of most Russians - character. Due to this distance, citizens of the Russian Federation do not so painfully perceive the losses, failures, and most importantly – the cost of this war in all its understandings. A convincing example of the correctness of this approach this year is the successful efforts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to physically transfer hostilities to the temporarily occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. We are talking about a series of successful missile strikes on the Crimean air bases of the enemy, first of all - on the airfield of Saki[4]. The task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2023 is to make these feelings sharper, more natural and quite tangible for Russians and other occupied territories, despite the considerable distance to the targets.

        Read that last sentence again.

        > The task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2023 is to make these feelings sharper, more natural and quite tangible for Russians and other occupied territories, despite the considerable distance to the targets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not if we pray for a nice warm winter, Vatnik.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh no, europeans dont have firewood

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You cannot turn firewood into electricity.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why not? It burns just fine.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fortunately, when you have American gas, Australian and German coal, and nuclear power all around you don't need to. Europe's gas storage is already at 80% maximum capacity...ahead of schedule, too.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People freezing to death without gas is just BS used for common-grade propaganda. As Germany is currently proving steps can be taken minimize and likely eliminate that risk. That messaging is there only because it has the best impact vs regular people (especially women).

            The REAL issue is that German industry is uniquely dependent on gas. That’s why their business community has been desperately begging the government to abandon the gas sanction regime. We’re talking about the industrial heartland of Europe.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which German industries, just out of curiosity?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                T-t-the ones that use gas

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                May I see them?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Steel, chemicals, confections and others I’ve seen mentioned in other stories. Basically a very large chunk runs on gas.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sweden recently invented fully electric steel production iirc, they should take the opportunity to invest

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                BTW, "chemicals" includes "making fertilizer" and also "making munitions". Natgas (methane) is an essential input for making ammonia using the Haber process.

                Amusingly, the WEF has been pushing governments to restrict the use of nitrogen fertilizers. That's what the riots in Denmark and the Netherlands have been about. It's also why Sri Lanka's food production got cut in half, resulting in starvation and the government being overthrown. BTW, in Canada, Trudeau is pushing fertilizer restrictions now. . . .

                And then all the leftards chant that there's no global WEF conspiracy, and you're an alt-right conspiracy nutcase Nazi transphobic bigot if you tell them to just look at the documents the WEF has published about restricting the use of chemical fertilizers on the WEF's own website.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Riots in Denmark

                What riots?
                t. Dane

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The anon saw an angry post on twitter so surely there must be riots.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Uh, what is a gasifyer?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's called a boiler.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yea but you can spin up coal plants and French nuclear power is going to be fully operational again once river temperatures drop.
          Electricity was never an issue.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If my home drops below 20 Celsius for even one day I will import furniture from conquered Kremlin for use as firewood.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You realize the Rus ARE Ukrainian right? Modern Russia got raped by the mongols.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't matter. But, I jonly want to see the Germans and poles frozen to death

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      German winters have been getting milder and milder with the years so good luck lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      German gas storages are full. That's enough gas to last them through the whole winter and spring.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats not even enough for 2 Month.
        t. germanoid

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Jake Epstein"

      The garden gnome wants you to think Russia is weak and foolish, they want you to underestimate them. But why?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        idk you tell us rabbi

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Getting rid of whites.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The garden gnome wants you to think Russia is weak and foolish

        Well Russia has been doing a great job of that themselves the past 6 months.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine will probably receive a fuckton of winter gear and expertise

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Ukrainians will end up warmer than ski addicts on Mount Everest, lol.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We'll, one side has socks on and the other doesn't. You do the math

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a false war anyways. If you look at where the battles have been fought, it's probably in the shape of a pentagram.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was about to say that the Donbabweans will receive no equipment and will certainly freeze to death, but I remembered that there are already none left.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure they have to deal with a second mud season in Autumn first. That's probably why the Ukrainians are moving now; they can secure what they've taken after both sides take an operational pause because it's impossible to move heavy armor in quantity until the ground hardens again in winter.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I ride my bicycle entire last winter, I don't think we even had enough snow to cover the sidewalks once.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia won't be able to deliver, let alone afford, clothing, warming, and feeding their military. Ukraine is consistently given blank checks by the DoD.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainian troops will be comfortably hunkered down with western supplies while russian troops freeze to their BMPs...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More like "Ukrainians will freeze to death and be unable to heat their own MRE's, while Russian troops are warm and well fed."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is so lazy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia is the one with the fuel and the fertilizer.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >fuel
            eeee... non
            >fertilizer
            eeeee... a non

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              wasn't there an incident of russian soldiers using bags of ammonium nitrate fertilizer as sandbags

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but they found it much more convenient to dig trenches . . . in Chernobyl's Red Forest.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is the one with the fuel and the fertilizer.

        Hey, how's your logistics?

        Surely your troops won't need to pull back to Belarus just to get some diesel or a hot meal or a crust of bread, right?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian troops are warm and well fed
        get a load of this vatnik.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >winter in Europe
    What’s the best European Christmas market to visit?

    Also, why don’t we pool together and visit Kiev for a week or two? Maybe Poland?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Strasbourg in France is famous for its christmas market

    • 2 weeks ago
      /out/ie

      My prediction for Russia in Ukraine is this: Ukraine will continue to hit their logistics, thus stopping all possible advances. Time, as well as Gods will, is on the Ukies side.
      Ukies will have less and less casualties, while the Russians numbers rise and rise. Eventually Ivan either has to nook or admit defeat.

      Nürnberg. They invented Christmas markets in 200BC.

      German gas storages are full. That's enough gas to last them through the whole winter and spring.

      First, they aren't completely full, only almost.
      Second, they will only last till about mid of January if we don't shut down industry.
      That means, as it looks right now, the LNG terminal in Wilhelmshaven, supposed to go online in December, really needs to go online.
      Otherwise we have to turn off some industry, which will be a costly affair.
      What i'm saying is, nobody will freeze, that is absurd at this point, but we might get an economic hit if the preparations fail for some reason.
      No need to panic, but we must be aware that not all risks are mitigated fully.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Otherwise we have to turn off some industry, which will be a costly affair.
        Most likely some of your industry has already turned off.
        My friend in the plastics business told me they run at half capacity in daytime because of electricity prices. Mind you that is in Scandinavia so historically prices have been low. But when energy is 50% of your operating costs you would have needed a very good profit margin before this started in order to not be affected.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lots and lots of Kacaps frozen solid into "Finnish Scarecrows"

    Also, everyone in the EU sipping cocoa in their warm homes.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Which side will have the advantage?
    The side that didn't allow funds for wintering gear to be embezzled systematically for the last 30 years.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Winters are good for defenders, not attackers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Winters are good for defenders, not attackers.

      So even more of a stalemate. I don't see either side making any major advances any time soon.

      https://i.imgur.com/EOnqAR1.jpg

      How will this winter affect through the russo-ukrainian war? Which side will have the advantage?

      >How will this winter affect through the russo-ukrainian war?

      The main effect will be geopolitical. Winter is going to exacerbate Europe's energy crisis which will put pressure upon NATO to resolve the conflict so that they can resume Russian oil shipments. My expectation is this will result in NATO backing a peaceful settlement that ends up ceding Donetsk and Luhansk to the Russians or more likely set them up as "independent" republics which will effectively act as Russian satellite states and a buffer zone between Russia and Ukraine. That said NATO could go full balls to the wall and say fuck it lets send in NATO forces and maybe start WWIII.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NATO backing a peaceful settlement
        Europe most likely, Amerca idk. The entirety of NATO could pressure Ukraine to end the war, but if the US says no, its a no.
        ~90% of Ukraine's funding comes from the US anyway

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >My expectation is this will result in NATO backing a peaceful settlement
        The gif you posted proves why that is not going to happen. Russia has tried to deny ukrainian gas/oil to the EU fearing because it feared becoming economically irrelevant to it, and that's what is going to happen now that the russian military has proven to be a failure.

        NATO and the EU countries aren't going to risk being black mailed by Russia again in the future. Putin's Russia based in EU money for natgas is over.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The future of Europe is grim without a cheap source of energy. Europe will become irrelevant in a single decade, surpassed by the Asian tigers.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If only such a thing existed

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/tZrmU46.jpg

            >The future of Europe is grim without a cheap source of energy. Europe will become irrelevant in a single decade, surpassed by the Asian tigers.

            The only form in which Russia and China could be considered tigers on the international scale is entirely on paper.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russians are struggling to keep the troops supplied since day one
    russian army will freeze to death

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Which side will have the advantage?
    The side that can sit in a house with a cozy fire, probably why Ukraine's making a bunch of moves rn

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Won't UAs superior night vision capabilities play a role? More darkness hours. SOF hit and runs. More opportunities for partisan activity.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shit will drag another 6 months. Another 150k people will die. Some village will swap hands 30 times and both sides will frame it as a major strategic victory.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The future of Europe is grim without a cheap source of energy. Europe will become irrelevant in a single decade, surpassed by the Asian tigers.

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