The size of the shell means that recoil would be a hugely limiting factor for humans firing them, though that doesn't really apply for superhuman space marines.
Otherwise they seem like they weren't very well thought out. It's basically a combination of a normal gun and a gyrojet. What's the point of the combination when it has the disadvantages of both, yet no apparent advantages? Just pick whichever method of propulsion (gunpowder vs. rocket) has the higher energy density and use that one alone. There doesn't seem to be anything gained from combining both other than it sounding cool to a bunch of nogunz idiots.
I thought the ammunition was rocket propelled, like a massive gyrojet. Wouldn't that mean a relatively low recoil? I have never fired a gyrojet so I wouldn't know, I'm just guessing.
It's a two-stage ammo. A stubby cartrige like a shotgun base to kickstart it and then a gyrojet/RAP sustainer motor.
The projo itself is AP with a delay fuze and small explosive core like a WW2 tank.
It gets fired like a bullet from the bolter than the gyrojet kicks in after a distance.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Bolter#Description
It gets fired like a bullet from the bolter than the gyrojet kicks in after a distance.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Bolter#Description
that was the Hague convention, and the British were using early shit-tier hollow points. The US wouldn't have considered the XM29, and by extension, the XM25 if explosive rounds were banned. Not because the US is a signatory, we aren't, but because we still observe it due to close working relationships with allies that are signatories
Second heart, acid-producing gland in the throat making spit both a weapon and a method for chewing through metal, receptor in the stomach for reading a subject's memories after ingesting their brain.
Power armor isn't a functional reality. The "room temperature superconductor" meme turned out to be a fraud, and there isn't a clear path to any power generator capable of doing what a Space Marines does. Things like their helmets are feasible, but also suffer from the power problems. Ceramite isn't real, and its properties vary wildly between authors. The concept of small-arms invulnerable plate armor is limited only by what the power armor is capable of hefting.
As for the Astartes himself? Designer babies are a meme, and there's no known way to allow an entirely artificially produced organ to exist in a human body, and the anti-rejection drugs needed would make the recipient look like he's dying of AIDS 2.0. This applies to all the progenoids and the Black Carapace.
idk wtf a space marine does but actual power armor isn't out of the question, it's just mostly stupid. motorcycle engine and hydraulics and bam you're done.
Not only this but even if the technology did exist there would be little reason to build power armor when you could build a drone/robot/droid instead. That would be a much better combat tool since it isn't constrained by the squishy pilot inside it.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I wasn't suggesting autonomous robots. I'm suggesting they still have a human pilot in command, but like a drone operator sitting back away from the action.
imperium had a war with ai that became sentient so there always has to be a person in the system, so all guided munitions have a lobotomized dude aiming them
rule of grimdark anyway
Are you only talking about what's possible right this second? Because you're listing a bunch of completely real technologies to try to disprove a fantasy idea.
There are big advances in power generation and storage every year, low temperature superconductors are far from a dead end, only ethics committees stop us messing with babies like we mess with corn, total artificial hearts are working temporarily without much immune rejection.
Any or all of it might not advance that far anytime soon, but 38,000 years is a while.
The question as I understood it was if a Space Marine could be produced with today's technology.
I have no doubt that metallurgy and biotechnology will advance to a state that makes even Astartes look cute, but that wasn't what I thought was being asked.
Are you only talking about what's possible right this second? Because you're listing a bunch of completely real technologies to try to disprove a fantasy idea.
There are big advances in power generation and storage every year, low temperature superconductors are far from a dead end, only ethics committees stop us messing with babies like we mess with corn, total artificial hearts are working temporarily without much immune rejection.
Any or all of it might not advance that far anytime soon, but 38,000 years is a while.
>Astartes are designer babies
No. Astartes are normal boys who are compatible with "gene seed" which are artificial organs which cause controlled mutations that change the body. >anti rejection
You either accept the organs or you die. The recruitment process includes strict genetic screening to ensure the greatest compatibility, as those organs ARE valuable.
Sorry for split posting, but your reply hadn't popped up for me yet. I know what the progenoids are, anon. I brought up designer babies to show that our (known capacity for making changes to the human body, even at that nearly tabula rasa state of development, isn't there yet, and that creating and producing organs like them is not in our grasp. I have no doubt we could make a biomechanical 'pump' that doses up a person's pituitary glands, but that's just one of 19 (fuck Paymoreis), and they'd all have to work in concert.
Bolters aren't even viable in 40k.
If the Imperium was better at developing technology they'd give their super soldiers scaled-up more powerful lasguns instead of the overcomplicated automatic grenade launchers that have a two-stage propulsion method to try and overcome the issue with gyrojets..
>If the Imperium was better at developing technology they'd give their super soldiers scaled-up more powerful lasguns instead of the overcomplicated automatic grenade launchers
They did. Originally Space Marines where slated to use Volkite weapons, but those turned out to be less flexible than the bolters.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Volkite_Weapons
Britain nearly memed the Bolter into existing with the FRAG-12 round for combat shotguns but the limitations in range to avoid fragging yourself and the wide use of of 40mm grenade launchers kind of made it niche and pointless.
i know there's some 12ga tear gas kicking around. need cuter smol grenades, thought russia had a 25mm or something but maybe that was just model. the XM nades were 25mm but super duper long and not cute at all.
>this limits range.
This is why the gyrojet part makes sense. To extend range.
Of course this is a very complex projectile that still quite doesn't match an M82 with Raufoss rounds, but I digress...
>bongs don't know what .75 caliber means
For fucks sake that muzzle looks 40mm at the least. And it's overall size is more along the lines of a heavy bolter.
Not very.The full sized bolters are used by super humans in power armor.Normal humans have smaller variants but even those are said to be impractical unless they also have power armor.
I don't know about bolters specifically but when full coverage small arms rated power armor becomes a thing then you'll need something very heavy hitting but lighter and smaller than a .50 cal rifle to deal with them.
please tell me the dude will release more stuff but in GW's platform instead of just youtube. PLEAAASEEE that mini preview of part 2 looked soooo goooooood
The marine ones are because they're intended to be used by 8 foot superhumans in custom built powered armor. There also exist scaled down versions for use by regular humans. And then there's Sergeant Harker, a giant of a man that wields a heavy bolter, which would normally be a crew served weapon, like you or I would use a standard rifle.
In canon all the Black Library and fluff is canonically in-universe propaganda. During the initial editions it was implied Chaos might not exist outside the fever dreams of the decaying totalitarian regime's officers.
>In canon all the Black Library and fluff is canonically in-universe propaganda
Once you accept that, you can just throw everything about the setting in the Garbage.
Necrons might not exist.
Earth might not exist.
blargle blargle blargle lol nothing matters.
>Self propelled ammunition
I think you can count art depicting bolters using self propelled ammunition with fingers of one hand.
Mentioning that is a great way to make 40k tards to sperg out.
The marine ones are because they're intended to be used by 8 foot superhumans in custom built powered armor. There also exist scaled down versions for use by regular humans. And then there's Sergeant Harker, a giant of a man that wields a heavy bolter, which would normally be a crew served weapon, like you or I would use a standard rifle.
Normal marines are only 7ft on average with primaris being almost a head taller and standard bolt shells are just slightly larger than 12 gauge, so the op bolter is excessively large.
11gauge is closer to 19.05mm
Bolters being absurdly heavy could easily be explained by heat mass and self propelled ammunition and need to have more robust gun if it is used in melee.
But shells kind of ruin that theory and I call artists retarded.
Or alternatively Space Marine bolters have an armored outer casing so they don't get disarmed the first time a cultist sprays them with a lasgun. This is referenced several times in the fluff.
The original bolter inspiration was a sleek lightweight 1970s prototype from AAI.
Bolters would need to be very robust for the job but I doubt the AAI CAWS was the inspiration. The gyrojet is far more famous and my theory is that bolters started out as gryojets but then the artist kept adding shells to the art so they combined them and just happened to end up with gun very similar what AAI made.
I look like this.
That's a video of me phoneposting on /tg/.
The size of the shell means that recoil would be a hugely limiting factor for humans firing them, though that doesn't really apply for superhuman space marines.
Otherwise they seem like they weren't very well thought out. It's basically a combination of a normal gun and a gyrojet. What's the point of the combination when it has the disadvantages of both, yet no apparent advantages? Just pick whichever method of propulsion (gunpowder vs. rocket) has the higher energy density and use that one alone. There doesn't seem to be anything gained from combining both other than it sounding cool to a bunch of nogunz idiots.
I thought the ammunition was rocket propelled, like a massive gyrojet. Wouldn't that mean a relatively low recoil? I have never fired a gyrojet so I wouldn't know, I'm just guessing.
It's a two-stage ammo. A stubby cartrige like a shotgun base to kickstart it and then a gyrojet/RAP sustainer motor.
The projo itself is AP with a delay fuze and small explosive core like a WW2 tank.
Ah, I wasn't aware of this. Thank you guys.
It gets fired like a bullet from the bolter than the gyrojet kicks in after a distance.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Bolter#Description
>size of the shell means that recoil would be a hugely limiting factor
It's rocket propelled.
And?
That means recoil is reduced.
Recoil is probably the same as a RPG
There is still an initial charge to kick the round out of the bolter
Its a fucking mag fed AGL. The real world decided belt feed was more efficient because box magazines become stupid once you get past a certain size.
AVERT YOUR EYES FROM THE WHITE CULTURE swarthoid DOG
Belt fed models exist if chaos marine models are anything to go by
That face tho
>FUUUUUUUUUUCKEEEEEEERRRRRRSSSS
>AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
.75cal = ~18.5mm = ~12ga
1.00cal = 25.4mm = 4ga
They're not AGLs.
belt fed bolters exist, they're called heavy bolters
Why's John Oliver manning a Mk 19?
Very they fire exploding rounds like the British had in India before the Indians ran to Geneva crying and got them banned
Correct me if I'm wrong, but bolters fire actual explosives, not just big soft hollowpoints like the Brits had.
that was the Hague convention, and the British were using early shit-tier hollow points. The US wouldn't have considered the XM29, and by extension, the XM25 if explosive rounds were banned. Not because the US is a signatory, we aren't, but because we still observe it due to close working relationships with allies that are signatories
The ban on dumdum rounds in the Hague Convention wasn't India it was Russia crying shitting itself.
India was an English colony at that point.
Ask the krauts
i am going to need sauce on that
Rheinmetall SSW40; it uses 40mm grenades
danke schoen
this is some wacky shit, i cant believe people actually used it
I cannot believe anyone thought it was a good idea to remove the safety on an impact grenade when loading it into the magazine
oh they actually developed a new medium velocity grenade for it too. 40x51 with an 800m range. very sexy.
Ok, how much is missing to get adeptus astartes?
Second heart, acid-producing gland in the throat making spit both a weapon and a method for chewing through metal, receptor in the stomach for reading a subject's memories after ingesting their brain.
Power armor isn't a functional reality. The "room temperature superconductor" meme turned out to be a fraud, and there isn't a clear path to any power generator capable of doing what a Space Marines does. Things like their helmets are feasible, but also suffer from the power problems. Ceramite isn't real, and its properties vary wildly between authors. The concept of small-arms invulnerable plate armor is limited only by what the power armor is capable of hefting.
As for the Astartes himself? Designer babies are a meme, and there's no known way to allow an entirely artificially produced organ to exist in a human body, and the anti-rejection drugs needed would make the recipient look like he's dying of AIDS 2.0. This applies to all the progenoids and the Black Carapace.
idk wtf a space marine does but actual power armor isn't out of the question, it's just mostly stupid. motorcycle engine and hydraulics and bam you're done.
Not only this but even if the technology did exist there would be little reason to build power armor when you could build a drone/robot/droid instead. That would be a much better combat tool since it isn't constrained by the squishy pilot inside it.
The problem with that logic is that path leads to a sentient robot apocalypse ala the Men of Iron and subsequent Dark Age of Technology.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I wasn't suggesting autonomous robots. I'm suggesting they still have a human pilot in command, but like a drone operator sitting back away from the action.
imperium had a war with ai that became sentient so there always has to be a person in the system, so all guided munitions have a lobotomized dude aiming them
rule of grimdark anyway
What if AI was still in the 2030s level and biotech advanced to the 2100s?
>the technology doesn't currently exist therefore its impossible it ever will
fascinating
The question as I understood it was if a Space Marine could be produced with today's technology.
I have no doubt that metallurgy and biotechnology will advance to a state that makes even Astartes look cute, but that wasn't what I thought was being asked.
Are you only talking about what's possible right this second? Because you're listing a bunch of completely real technologies to try to disprove a fantasy idea.
There are big advances in power generation and storage every year, low temperature superconductors are far from a dead end, only ethics committees stop us messing with babies like we mess with corn, total artificial hearts are working temporarily without much immune rejection.
Any or all of it might not advance that far anytime soon, but 38,000 years is a while.
>Astartes are designer babies
No. Astartes are normal boys who are compatible with "gene seed" which are artificial organs which cause controlled mutations that change the body.
>anti rejection
You either accept the organs or you die. The recruitment process includes strict genetic screening to ensure the greatest compatibility, as those organs ARE valuable.
Sorry for split posting, but your reply hadn't popped up for me yet. I know what the progenoids are, anon. I brought up designer babies to show that our (known capacity for making changes to the human body, even at that nearly tabula rasa state of development, isn't there yet, and that creating and producing organs like them is not in our grasp. I have no doubt we could make a biomechanical 'pump' that doses up a person's pituitary glands, but that's just one of 19 (fuck Paymoreis), and they'd all have to work in concert.
>As for the Astartes himself? Designer babies
You have no idea about the setting, retard. Stop talking about shit you don't understand.
What a smug retard
Really digging that camo
Bolters aren't even viable in 40k.
If the Imperium was better at developing technology they'd give their super soldiers scaled-up more powerful lasguns instead of the overcomplicated automatic grenade launchers that have a two-stage propulsion method to try and overcome the issue with gyrojets..
Lascannons are a thing
But that's a heavy weapon, not the standard armament.
Also its an anti-tank weapon with a low rate of fire. The idea would be more of a Las-Rifle.
>If the Imperium was better at developing technology they'd give their super soldiers scaled-up more powerful lasguns instead of the overcomplicated automatic grenade launchers
They did. Originally Space Marines where slated to use Volkite weapons, but those turned out to be less flexible than the bolters.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Volkite_Weapons
Britain nearly memed the Bolter into existing with the FRAG-12 round for combat shotguns but the limitations in range to avoid fragging yourself and the wide use of of 40mm grenade launchers kind of made it niche and pointless.
i know there's some 12ga tear gas kicking around. need cuter smol grenades, thought russia had a 25mm or something but maybe that was just model. the XM nades were 25mm but super duper long and not cute at all.
You mean the 12g ferret rounds?
I always wondered why they didn't have explosive 12ga slugs. They're actually big enough to put some boom in.
thing about booms is you have to shoot them hard so they go far away but not so hard that they explode in your face. this limits range.
>this limits range.
This is why the gyrojet part makes sense. To extend range.
Of course this is a very complex projectile that still quite doesn't match an M82 with Raufoss rounds, but I digress...
>bongs don't know what .75 caliber means
For fucks sake that muzzle looks 40mm at the least. And it's overall size is more along the lines of a heavy bolter.
Bolters come in different scales depending on who uses it.
.75 is the largest for pistols and normal bolters, other bolters can range between .45 to 69 caliber.
British are prone to think flash can style muzzle brakes on plastic models = the actual bore size.
Not very.The full sized bolters are used by super humans in power armor.Normal humans have smaller variants but even those are said to be impractical unless they also have power armor.
That magazine would fit max 10 rockets
Not very practical
warhammer is cringe and so are bolters. they look like shit designed by a retarded child
Concept is cool, design looks a bit stupid with bad dimensions but it still blows chunks of Tyranids.
I don't know about bolters specifically but when full coverage small arms rated power armor becomes a thing then you'll need something very heavy hitting but lighter and smaller than a .50 cal rifle to deal with them.
>we will never get more of this kino because goy's workshop are such greedy fucking cunts
pain
please tell me the dude will release more stuff but in GW's platform instead of just youtube. PLEAAASEEE that mini preview of part 2 looked soooo goooooood
Bolters aren't that big.
The marine ones are because they're intended to be used by 8 foot superhumans in custom built powered armor. There also exist scaled down versions for use by regular humans. And then there's Sergeant Harker, a giant of a man that wields a heavy bolter, which would normally be a crew served weapon, like you or I would use a standard rifle.
In canon all the Black Library and fluff is canonically in-universe propaganda. During the initial editions it was implied Chaos might not exist outside the fever dreams of the decaying totalitarian regime's officers.
>In canon all the Black Library and fluff is canonically in-universe propaganda
Once you accept that, you can just throw everything about the setting in the Garbage.
Necrons might not exist.
Earth might not exist.
blargle blargle blargle lol nothing matters.
>Self propelled ammunition
I think you can count art depicting bolters using self propelled ammunition with fingers of one hand.
Mentioning that is a great way to make 40k tards to sperg out.
why is it you never see space marines carrying spare magazines?
Most artists are noguns who forget to add them.
Normal marines are only 7ft on average with primaris being almost a head taller and standard bolt shells are just slightly larger than 12 gauge, so the op bolter is excessively large.
11gauge is closer to 19.05mm
Bolters being absurdly heavy could easily be explained by heat mass and self propelled ammunition and need to have more robust gun if it is used in melee.
But shells kind of ruin that theory and I call artists retarded.
Or alternatively Space Marine bolters have an armored outer casing so they don't get disarmed the first time a cultist sprays them with a lasgun. This is referenced several times in the fluff.
The original bolter inspiration was a sleek lightweight 1970s prototype from AAI.
Bolters would need to be very robust for the job but I doubt the AAI CAWS was the inspiration. The gyrojet is far more famous and my theory is that bolters started out as gryojets but then the artist kept adding shells to the art so they combined them and just happened to end up with gun very similar what AAI made.
Very.
You see a KS-23?
Mod it to take magazines.
Now put giga drum mags on it and load the shells with slug rounds.