How to defeat future fictional body armor

I'm writing a story set in 2132 (100 years after The Great Consolidation) and i'm trying to figure out how a separate faction working with current day tech would be able to defeat 2132 body armor. I've looked into sabot rounds fired from rifles but found out those don't work very well so now i'm stuck between each soldier using very high caliber low capacity rifles, or each soldier being trained to go for headshots only. Any ideas on how else a 2023 tech level soldier would be able to defeat a 2132 tech level soldier?

pic related.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    12 Gauge shaped charge slugs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      40mm shaped charges can't get through more than 2 inches. You'll be lucky to get any pen with that 12 gauged, you're better off using some sort of .50 cal armor piercing ammo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're not putting 2 inches of fucking armor on something being shot at by small arms retart
        >you're better off using some sort of .50 cal armor piercing ammo
        you think 50 BMG API or APIT is going to do better than 2 inches of steel? at what range, exactly?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My point is that 12 gauge shaped charges are going to be even more useless than 20mm shaped charges. You're not going to get through modern composite armor, and you're probably better off just going with traditional high velocity tungsten penetrators. (which can reliable penetrate level IV)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >My point is
            that you never actually looked up what 50BMG AP can actually do and just started making shit up
            > 12 gauge shaped charges are going to be even more useless than 20mm shaped charges.
            you were today years old when you had to be told that 12 gauge solid projectiles are within cuddling distance of 20mm, and will have negligible differences in terminal performance.

            case capacities, however, for whatever that's worth to a small diameter explosive meant for small arms to fire, is where one of the many 20mm chamberings would be superior.
            >You're not going to get through modern composite armor
            you're sure as fuck getting through anything an infantryman can possible wear.
            >and you're probably better off just going with traditional high velocity tungsten penetrators.
            being unable to specify at what range a slug or a dart has an advantage over a shaped charge tells me you've never spared a serious thought for this before this thread

            btw just in case this thought is bouncing around your skull, lvl 4 composite plates do not have 2 inches, or even inch (singular), of steel HA equivalent protection, that'd be an insane misconception.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >12 gauge solid projectiles are within cuddling distance of 20mm

              No they're not. You've clearly never handled 12 gauge or 20 mm rounds. There's a 3.5 mm difference in diameter, and the efficacy of shaped charges with even that amount of difference in size will be massive

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There's a 3.5 mm difference in diameter
                anon whats the result of 20 minus 17.5

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You passed the test anon, well done very inplessive

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There's a 3.5 mm difference in diameter
                anon whats the result of 20 minus 17.5

                you guys know 12 gauge = .73 inch = 18.5mm right
                right

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post foreskin btw

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uh, wouldn't the more obvious difference be that one is four times the weight/overall volume of the other?

                I mean, .45 has a larger diameter than .30-06, but that's not really relevant because one is far larger and so has way more room for packing propellent, or some sort of EFP type thing for that matter.

                Shotgun EFPs could work against sci-fi armor. You might need larger shells though, but maybe less propellant so recoil isn't so bad.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My point is that 12 gauge shaped charges are going to be even more useless than 20mm shaped charges. You're not going to get through modern composite armor, and you're probably better off just going with traditional high velocity tungsten penetrators. (which can reliable penetrate level IV)

        A 12ga explosive round could be fired from low pressure, relatively low recoil, relatively compact systems at an automatic rate of fire, unlike a 40mm or 20mm grenade system or 50 caliber rifle. A small grenade's explosion could compromise more composite armor per hit than a bullet with equivalent penetration also.
        I'm not saying a 40mm under barrel grenade launcher wouldn't be a good option, either.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no one on this site is going to have a good answer for you.
    By the time 2132 comes around there will either be a massive shift in firearms that allows for some great advancement in penetration to be possible, or there'll be something like lasers.
    Because we already have rifle rated helmets, it's not difficult to imagine rifle-rated face visors.
    All answers anyone is going to give you are stupid, including trying to cause lethal BFD with dangerous game rifles and dumb shit like that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just give each soldier light anti-tank weapons, like RPGs, and have them set up ambushes with EFPs. Problem solved, elegantly.

      lmaooo
      The ECH won't even stop M855.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, it's a PE helmet retard, it's not going to stop steel core at impact velocity, it stops lead core

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not really 'rifle rated' because just about every military-issue rifle round is steel core.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the ability to stop basic bitch m80 ball at a few hundred yards and 7.62x39 lead core at the muzzle for more money and no extra weight sounds pretty swagulous

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hell, I'd take a modern level III helmet that can do that even with some extra weight... all I can find are just basic bitch IIIA bump helmets for people to use with NODs on Instagram.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blackface deformation has nothing directly to do with most BABT injuries anyhow. It's a symptom of armor getting hit by a projectile, you don't get injured because your armor depressed slightly, you get injured by the pressure wave.

      But yes, using big game rifles as a solution is dumb.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >blackface deformation
        That's called a beating.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As you can see we have seen how useless an AK in 7.62x39 is against Sangheilis

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Traps, explosives, .50 MGs, finding out their identity and killing them off duty.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IEDs, grenades and anti-material rifles in 20mm.

      My biggest concern about using anti-material rifles as standard issue is that they wont be able to establish a good base of fire or volume of fire due to rifles being semi-automatic. Heavy MG's will definitely be used but those alone won't be able to establish the same volume of fire as a 2132 squad.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They will be unable to match the 2132's in a standup fight, beating them in a firefight should not be the goal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It really is not the goal. I just want them (good guys) to be able to hold them (bad guys) off for a while during the end of the story when the fighting actually starts. The good guys are going to be very heavily outgunned but not outnumbered and they will be fighting in home territory. Basically they just need to hold out long enough for Good Guy Main Character to do his thing and I feel like semi-auto anti-material rifles just isn't going to cut it.

          I like the idea

          1) tungsten flechettes fired from high pressure cases (the 1980s engineering answer)
          2) spray them all over and hit an unarmored part (the modern part. use aimbot scopes if it makes you feel better)
          3) use explosives (the other modern part)

          has with the flechettes so far as well as IED's from

          Traps, explosives, .50 MGs, finding out their identity and killing them off duty.

          and

          IEDs, grenades and anti-material rifles in 20mm.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            watch Predator for ideas

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ancient warfare used at times include thrown pots full of things, including snakes. what if they used catapults to launch venomous snakes at the enemies?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the pots of snakes was an idea Hannibal suggested when he was in exile and working as a military advisor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >traps
      How would a girl with a penis defeat futuristic armor?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Trigger the lgbtq school curriculum programming its like the manchurian gay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It would induce a state of undressing in which target would be vulnerable to any traditional means

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IEDs, grenades and anti-material rifles in 20mm.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is what I meant when I said grenades - a relatively man portable auto-grenade launcher.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QLZ-87_grenade_launcher

      • 3 weeks ago
        OP

        I like that, i'll add it to the story at some point.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fuck, is that a chig?

    • 3 weeks ago
      T-I-G-E-R-S

      Based taste, anon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fucking based. I'll give up my pancakes for you, anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based taste, anon

      fucking based. I'll give up my pancakes for you, anon.

      In space no one can hear you scream - unless it is the battle cry of the United States Marine Corps

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the thing about that show I could never wrap my head around is that like the Star Trek bridge crew the fighter squadron does *everything*: fly fighters, fly transports, do ground assaults, recon, intelligence, etc
        it would have been better if like BSG the cast were split up into different areas of the ship doing different things

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >deploying your air crew as ground infantry
          Classic strategy really

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pearly is not an armored personnel carrier, she's a tank!
        Why did she have to die, why did they cancel her?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I fucking loved that show. You a cool invitro anon

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The weapons which future tech faction uses are caseless and not too different from what we have today due to the fact that after The Great Consolidation, there was no one left to fight except 2023 tech faction. There will be some future fictional weapons such as micro-drones that act as self guiding flechettes but for the most part the weapons aren't too dissimilar from what we have today. Biggest changes are energy, armor, and experimental walkers because those are cool.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1) tungsten flechettes fired from high pressure cases (the 1980s engineering answer)
    2) spray them all over and hit an unarmored part (the modern part. use aimbot scopes if it makes you feel better)
    3) use explosives (the other modern part)

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >battery on the exosuit starts leaking
    >suit stops working
    >operator can't take it off
    >superjspecial exosuit becomes a death trap for the operator

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I am very smart, no one else ever thought of this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The lowballed idea I've seen crop up a few years ago on PrepHole for power armor is essentially an armored up bomb suit worn over the exoskeleton. Bomb suits, from what I understand, are already designed to support its own weight so the guy inside wouldn't be totally screwed.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Peasant archers could shoot the kinks in knights armor, imagine if they had a shit tier ar with a few mags now. Punji traps more for the hole than the stakes, piranha solution bombs.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if everyones running around in powered or semi powered exoskeletons, then everyone with an exoskeleton is running around with either some sort of firearm to match. Microwave weapons to fry the suits and render them useless, hypervelocity traditional firearms, 20mm shaped charge guns, etc. Artillery is going to get fucking wild too, once every soldier is running around with a ton of fucking metal and electronics, modern cluster munitions are probably going to resemble magnetic anti ship mines scaled down to man size.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pump action grenade launcher
      >XM25 derivative firing HEAT versions or the airburst variant
      >DU munitions or dense penetrators
      >Rifles modified to fire HV munitions (Ghost in the Shell type, where they ruin the action in short order).

      https://i.imgur.com/t4d6VIw.jpg

      I'm writing a story set in 2132 (100 years after The Great Consolidation) and i'm trying to figure out how a separate faction working with current day tech would be able to defeat 2132 body armor. I've looked into sabot rounds fired from rifles but found out those don't work very well so now i'm stuck between each soldier using very high caliber low capacity rifles, or each soldier being trained to go for headshots only. Any ideas on how else a 2023 tech level soldier would be able to defeat a 2132 tech level soldier?

      pic related.

      If Infantry require Anti-Tank weapons to cause casualties, then the Armored Fighting Vehicles 30 tons and up are going to be horrific. Hell, even 10tons and up and its a problem.

      Everyone here is proposing anti-tank mines and RPGs and ATGMs. The Russians infamously produced functional prototypes of chest plate that could stop .50BMG.

      And it was confirmed. But well, corruption, cheapness, bullshit and a genuine lack of utility due to weight concerns meant it has never been mass produced and fielded.

      That suit is likely a hybrid energy suit, electrically powered, supplied by everything from the sun, plugins and a tiny gas turbine generator. Wouldn't need much power, after all, 10 horsepower can get a human moving 35mph on wheels for 100 miles on a gallon of gasoline.

      Switchblade and other drone explosives are likely standard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        OP

        This is why the Good Guys are going to get fucked once the Bad Guys break the peace. Drone strikes will destroy pretty much all but the most defended outposts and bases and the only thing stopping the Bad Guys from going all out is the ice which they are trying to stop from being destroyed.

        https://i.imgur.com/glN3otc.jpg

        Multi barreled rifles that fire the same rifle rounds we have today, but they all fire at once and converge on a single point for greater transfer of energy.

        Massive leaps advancements in technology enables railgun carbines shooting tungsten flechettes. Guns are reloaded with a P90 style mags and separate battery packs. Idk maybe it's retarded but it's a fun idea. It would be an interesting mechanic in a shooter game if you had the battery pack draining faster during prolonged auto or something.

        I like both of these ideas very much, multi-barreled rail guns shooting tungsten flechettes. Very Kino.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dont think they'll neet ATGM's but Exo Skeletons will likely pack the minimum required firepower to defeat other exo skeletons and maybe tanks of IFV. I'm thinking more belt fed Neopup style guns, or suit portable M2 machineguns, and maybe a bolt on ATGM system in case the odd tank or IFV roll in.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine it
        >20mm Barrett as a standard issue rifle

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AUTOCANNONS FOR EVERYONE

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There will also be new CW munitions with acidic concoctions that eat through lenses and metals etc. to damage the electronics/sensors and degrade the armor into a more frail & penetrable condition.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    E = 1/2*m*v^2

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pump action grenade launcher
    >XM25 derivative firing HEAT versions or the airburst variant
    >DU munitions or dense penetrators
    >Rifles modified to fire HV munitions (Ghost in the Shell type, where they ruin the action in short order).

  14. 3 weeks ago
    OP

    I should mention now that the Good Guys operate mainly out of South America and the only reason they haven't been destroyed is because they threaten to burn the Amazon Rainforest if they are ever invaded.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Won't work. Without insane tech, you can't reasonably burn a wet forest like that. It's a lot bigger than you think it is.
      Let me offer a suggestion: They operate out of Antarctica and threaten to demolish the ice shelves.
      https://phys.org/news/2022-09-scientists-expose-vulnerabilities-critical-antarctic.html
      This would be easy enough to do, and would sincerely fuck the larger nations of the world.

      • 3 weeks ago
        OP

        Yes, that is much better and doable. Adding it to my "To-Add list".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Real neat guys you got there

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Multi barreled rifles that fire the same rifle rounds we have today, but they all fire at once and converge on a single point for greater transfer of energy.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Massive leaps advancements in technology enables railgun carbines shooting tungsten flechettes. Guns are reloaded with a P90 style mags and separate battery packs. Idk maybe it's retarded but it's a fun idea. It would be an interesting mechanic in a shooter game if you had the battery pack draining faster during prolonged auto or something.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    axes of course

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Underbarrel spring-launched suicide the drone the size of a 40mm grenade

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    space/future mg42s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The meta quest pro has pass through technology that allows the user to see through the headset via cameras.
    I could see that being used in an armored visor system inside the helmet of power armour.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That concept is in a bunch of science fiction books and video games, too. Cameras and sensors on the outside of the helmet, screens on the inside.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The F-35 helmet works the same way.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    6.8mm DUDS

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just gotta go Ewok on em

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Question: how heat tolerant is modern body armor? Would it make more sense to melt a hole in the armor instead of piercing it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no man-portable weaponized laser powerful enough to melt through a plate of something like silicon carbide. (Melting point 4,946°F.)
      In the distant future, sure, lasers and particle beams make great sense. But not with 2023 tech.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was thinking more along the lines of a grenade launcher that fires white phosphorus at people. Yes I know that would be a war crime.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Solid gold bullets fired with coilguns. Your welcome. Depleted Uranium and maybe tungsten could also work. Gold is best.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gold is not magnetic.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What about a disintegrating sabot?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Gold is not magnetic.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    OP

    Very low quality picture of concept sketch of what Good Guys would be using so far. Its a railgun which their chief engineer was inspired to make after a vision.

    Pretty much everything needed to make them requires parts from the Bad Guys. Good Guys get the required parts by smuggling them into Antarctica through insider agents and such.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What I would do is use explosive rounds.

    Whaling for the past 100 years uses and explosive tipped harpoon to kill the whale and then an airhose to keep them floating.

    If you had a round that exploded on impact it wouldn't need to penetrate the armor necessarily if it did enough blunt force trauma.

    • 3 weeks ago
      OP

      would a shaped charge tungsten flechette work? If so I'm gonna insert it into the story immediately. Give the Good Guys a fighting chance.

      pic sort of related

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Generally flechettes work by being really small so it would be hard to put an explosive on it. So if you were going to do that you might need to make up a new explosive with a really high RE factor.

        A bigger bullet would be easier to have a sufficient amount of charge on it.

        Here's another obsolete weapon system, the Ketchum Grenade. If the good guys are low tech this might be a weapon they use.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's a NERF football, you can't fool me.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Great Consolation
    Is it just Globohomo going full mask off?

    • 3 weeks ago
      OP

      Yes. They still haven't achieved their ultimate goal yet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >goal
        Is it just basic cuckservative talking points or are you going for a Turner Diaries sort of thing?

        • 3 weeks ago
          OP

          I don’t know what turner diaries are, but the reason the Bad Guys are doing what they are doing is simple. They want control. To get control, they need to control the minds of the people. To control the minds of the people, they need to satisfy their every carnal need to keep them satisfied. With no reason to revolt or question anything, the general populace will do whatever is asked of them to maintain their own comfort. That’s the gist of it.

          Able to post because lull in workload

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Like Brave New World?

            Except Brave New World wasn't just fulfilling people's most carnal desires. I feel like many people miss that point. The super intelligent, driven guy is unhappy so they say: "hey, no problem. We have most people doing drugs, fucking, and watching TV all day because that's what they ask for, and as you've seen, they get pissed when they don't get it. But we have whole cities of just accomplished artists and ground breaking scientists who don't fit that mold. Come live with us and you can see Beethoven preformed live and have your own laboratory."

            The critique, is that the society is giving people what they ask for in the end. Bernard is only unhappy because he somehow got incel genes and Savage literally goes insane and ropes because modernity mins broke him, not because he had any sort of higher goal or sense of purpose.

            Brave New World IS a utopia that seems dystopic only because of what it says about man.

            • 3 weeks ago
              OP

              Brave New World is dystopian because the society forgets, or ignores, that man is more then flesh. There is more to man then the flesh he lives in, and there is more to a man’s wants then carnal desires.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't though. It literally sends anyone who wants more to cities full of other intellectuals who want to explore philosophy, the arts, science, etc.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's dystopic because life is ultimately about fulfilling God's desires/designs for your life, not your own. Thus, the "utopia" is completely contrary to nature.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh forms behind more forms
                Perhaps the meaning of life is simply to live it.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Instead of engaging the supersoldiers directly your fighters would focus on using artillery and explosives. Ambushes with IEDs and claymores firing heavy shot like the Viuhkapanos 84 in pic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is probably the best option given what OP is going for, we already have laser-guided artillery rounds like Excalibur so you could just issue laser designators down to the squad level

      It might create an interesting dynamic where most frontline soldiers are glorified meat shields and the JTACs are the only guys actually killing the enemy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also if you are in an exosuit that completely covers you then you will need to rely on sensors to see. Those could be disabled with handheld dazzlers or blinding lasers

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2132 body armor.
    AP bullets, AP explosives, bigger boolet(autocannon).
    Modern ceramic plate body armor will stop 1-2 14.5mm heavy machinegun rounds and maybe more if they're very very lucky. A future kinetic-only body armor might do it more consistently, but they all fail the same that enough big enough rounds will eventually penetrate the depleted armor.

    Your underdogs fighting against the superior armored foes are going to have a very difficult time because they're not only more vulnerable, but are forced to carry heavier weapons meanwhile the armored force can use more rapid fire and explosive fragmentation weapons that can wound large areas. They're nearly immune to hand grenades and you aren't.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >soldiers will ever be valuable enough to protect with expensive mechanized suits of armour

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not common grunts, but special forces will definitely have it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      OP

      There is not a whole lot of 2132 soldiers. The population of the Bad Guys (total population) is about 300-350 million. All of these people, except in military bases, are in huge and I mean fucking huge mega-cities. Most of these people don't sign up to the armed forces because they are comfortable getting their dicks sucked by robots while high on non-addictive super-drugs. So the total infantry of the 2132 armed forces numbers ~60,000.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So Brave New Blade Runner?
        >2132
        Why hasn't robotics advanced to the point where infantry are obsolete? Is it cost? Vulnerability to hacking?

        • 3 weeks ago
          OP

          >why hasn't robotics advanced to the point where infantry are obsolete?
          I haven't really given that much thought.
          Maybe the robots gain sentience and because they are incapable of feeling pleasure the same way a human does...
          Oh shit.
          Robot infantry, but they are sentient (sapient, whatever the fuck) and they are coereced into fighting because if they do as they are told, they are given bursts of pleasure. The Bad Guys do the same thing to their own citizens, keeping them in line using sex and drugs and carnal pleasure, so they do the same thing to complex robots just in a different context.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it's 2132 I would hope we have coil guns figured out by now, in which case man portable armor might not even be worth using. An efficient coil gun should be able to get a 3mm projectile up to 7,000 FPS, easily blowing through any armor coming out any time soon. Since the projectile doesn't need any propellant, they are very small/light, and coil guns have far less recoil, no muzzle flash, no smoke when used for artillery, no report. Which means you can fire them on auto and fuck some armored guys up, baring some miraculous innovations in materials or exoskeletons that allow very heavy armor.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    le french ahead of the game as expected.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    OP

    have to go to work, hopefully thread won't be archived when I get back. This thread has really helped me progress my story so far.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Any ideas on how else a 2023 tech level soldier would be able to defeat a 2132 tech level soldier?
    You don't. This is like having time traveling soldiers from the opening of WWI in 1914 fight present day soldiers, or soldiers from 1805 (2 years before the first inventor experimented with using mercury fulminate to set off his muzzleloader instead of a flintlock, and 21 years before the first successful experiment with projectiles to make rifles practical for military use) fight in WWI. Even if you had a top tier army from the earlier time period fighting a shit tier army from the later, they'd still get absolutely roflstomped, even if fighting as an insurgent force.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/k96gbiD.gif

      >I'm writing a story set in 2132
      Unless the story you are writing has any actual cultural value pls stop already or just put it on wattpad like all the other autismo timesink shit. You should have gotten over this phase of writing whatever "feels cool" when you were 12 like the rest of us.

      These OP. This is pure hero fantasy bullshit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        OP

        it ain't really.
        The good guys gets their shit pushed in hard throughout the story. Defeat after defeat, character death after character death. Even the 'victory' I have planned out in my head isn't exactly a guaranteed win for the good guys. I'm going to be actively avoiding hero fantasy bullshit type stuff. If an engagement is realistically bad, people are going to get killed. If they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, they get perforated by a micro-drone flechette etc. No one is safe. I'll be rolling dice to see who survives which engagements and write the scenes accordingly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/QPlqzUG.png

          Don't get me wrong, it's fun to do. By cultural value I mean something that introduces new ideas, values, and/or concepts beyond mere set dressing. Alternatively it could seek to venerate some existing ideal that speaks to you.

          It's easy to write a story for the sake of writing one, but to do so with a higher purpose is where the true value is. Nonetheless, please write

          Oops.

          *Nonetheless, please write what speaks to you the most. If you can't like it, then nobody else will.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a 2132 tech level soldier
    Will have HV rail- and dense laser "guns", armored exo-suits, if they aren't just a robot to begin with.

    The only way for a 2023 tech level to compete is geurilla tactics, high explosives, high caliber weaponry with discarding sabot. Tricks, traps and bombs. ECM and EW.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sabot, the mean of not working is retards absolutely wanting moa group for when they pray and spray

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shoot the battery pack, use vietcong style booby traps, API 50 cal ammo, IEDs, simply running the bastard over with a heavy vehicle

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          do the fins pop out and slow them down like helo rotors spinning?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the diagram shows them popping open and has arrows suggesting they rotate
            but I dont know if it is powered or unpowered autorotation
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I fucking love the fact that ODST's are going to eventually be a real thing.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm writing a story set in 2132 (100 years after The Great Consolidation) and i'm trying to figure out how a separate faction working with current day tech would be able to defeat 2132 body armor.
    My brother in christ, that's so far beyond the comprehension of modern day sciences that you might as well just make some bullshit up and call it science. War 100 years from now will be nearly incomprehensible to the modern soldier, moreso to the modern historian.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    armor piercing heavy caliber weapons, high explosives

    killing them once you see them might not be the hardest part, but seeing them in the first place

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good old .50 BMG

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically knives

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He

    Heat

    Small arms apfsds at hydrodynamic velocities could pen many inches of any armor

    Chemical rounds

    Incendiary / thermobaric rounds

    Gamma weapons

    Anti eye weapons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot to add, gyrojet hvap

      Miniaturized CKEMS down to the 5mm scale could fuck any armor. Down to 10mm you can throw in anything short of a tank. At 80mm + theres basically no hard target immune to the liquid penetration mechanism of a

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh fuck the cia got him before he could finish his comment

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Due to a design fault in the suits waste exhaust system, when a concentrated electrical force is applied it travels up their dick and electrocutes them.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Velocity defeats armor so rail guns using the suit psu

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neopup PAW-20 as standard.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spraying them with a sticky substance/glue or which causes the joints on the armour to seize up. They already have stuff like this which can cause people to bind up in their clothing.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Put more thought into the design of the armor itself, and how it’s going to be dealing with energy transfer when hit, so that the soldier wearing it would not get knocked down when hit with a high velocity shot. Even if the bullet does not penetrate the armor, its kinetic energy would not magically disappear

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's momentum, not kinetic energy that matters for that. And for an exoskeleton it's irrelevant unless the shot is big enough that it would just penetrate anyways. There's a webm I don't have that shows a guy taking a 7.62 center mass in a plate as a demonstration and he doesn't even flinch. It's only ~9 kg*m/s of momentum. A .50BMG is ~40. People don't go flying when shot like in movies.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All that fancy shit and he's still carrying a fucking M4

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AR's on MARs
      >100kpsi 77 grain hyperalloy penetrator
      >4500fps from a 10" barrel
      >Liquid uranium core for fatman-esque explosion internally
      I mean, we're already halfway there.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Economics.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    OP

    I dub it, the Retard Railgun

    • 3 weeks ago
      OP

      forgot pic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here's mine, I call it:

        SUPER 420.69 ANAL MASTER BLASTER SUPREME EDITION

        • 3 weeks ago
          OP

          HOLY SHIT I LOVE IT IM ADDING IT IMMEDIATELY THANK YOU

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          HOLY SHIT I LOVE IT IM ADDING IT IMMEDIATELY THANK YOU

          Pls remember that moar speed is not always moar better.
          http://ciar.org/ttk/mbt/papers/lakowski.2006-09/ARL-TR-2395.pdf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/tIEArNg.jpg

      forgot pic

      Please. Stop.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm writing a story set in 2132
    Unless the story you are writing has any actual cultural value pls stop already or just put it on wattpad like all the other autismo timesink shit. You should have gotten over this phase of writing whatever "feels cool" when you were 12 like the rest of us.

    • 3 weeks ago
      OP

      what is 'cultural value'?
      I write shitty stories for the purpose of creative exercise. None of what I have written has nor ever will be published, unless I think it's really good which will never happen.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't get me wrong, it's fun to do. By cultural value I mean something that introduces new ideas, values, and/or concepts beyond mere set dressing. Alternatively it could seek to venerate some existing ideal that speaks to you.

        It's easy to write a story for the sake of writing one, but to do so with a higher purpose is where the true value is. Nonetheless, please write

        • 3 weeks ago
          OP

          Oh, then I should have a few new things I think. After an emp disables and fries most of the electronics of a robot, it is captured and eventually wakes up in a scrap heap inside a good guy base. This plot line eventually leads to the good guys asking, is this robot alive or is it a malfunctioning machine? I'll let the dice roll decide that.

          As for venerating existing ideas, it will mostly consist of Christianity and Christian ideals. I don't like to mention Christianity on PrepHole most of the time because it can derail threads very easily and I'm hoping that won't be the case here.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The robot thing doesn't really sound all that new but I suppose it will be up to the execution then as to whether or not such is a step forward.

            • 3 weeks ago
              OP

              Yeah it really isn't too original. I'll have to sit down and think up a few ideas for actual substance, thanks for the critique.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, considering the massive amount of reliance on electronics, small EMP mines would really screw them up. Even if it only temporarily knocks them out of the action that is useful.

    • 3 weeks ago
      OP

      adding to my list

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can make a functional EMP out of a taser and a coil of copper wire that will make phones unhappy. Not too hard to scale it up to a power factor that would mess up a hud. Maybe a car’s ignition coil, or a few coils together.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you're going against people who have lv4+ protection all around then unironically a bolter. A bolter is basically a souped-up shotgun that fires rocket propelled explosive slugs. It also uses conventional propellant to kick it out the barrel at a decent speed but the rocket would help it maintain velocity and increase range without needing to increase the propellant charge which would make recoil unmanageable and necessitate heaver components. They could be a caseless or plastic cased telescopic HEDP and in a futuristic setting the fusing might be small enough to incorporate an air-busting function that would be useful against the less well armored. China recently developed a 24lb HMG which might be viable if your tactics are mobile MG focused but it and its ammo would be much heavier and bigger than a beefy automatic 12 gauge.

      Current day militaries harden their electronics against EMPs so I doubt a future military would be vulnerable to them.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Miniaturized HESH and shape charge rounds.
    >Grenade and mortar sized thermobarics.
    >Noxious or otherwise immobilizing foam that impedes movement and visibility.
    >flame throwers and nerve gas

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    genetically modified giant humans sporting giant 30mm machine guns to match

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like small APFSDS and missiles in my setting for the more conventional side. On the less conventional side, I have energy weapons powered by explosively pumped flux generators on belts similar to a chaingun and extremely low yield directed pure fusion weapons (think Casaba-Howitzer minus the fission stage but small).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also grasers are great for committing war crimes against infantry sans powered armor since shielding is so heavy.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Body armor probably isn't going to advance all that much in that time. In fact it may decline as we eventually lose the technology to continue producing it in great quantities.
    Sure, we COULD develop some wonder tech like lasers, power armor, and spaceships. Or more likely our grifted and corrupt governments are going to fall apart again like they always seem to do and we're back to the dark ages for a couple thousand years. What do you think is more likely? In fact, don't answer that, just look at what people in 1960 were saying we'd be doing in the far future year of 2002 with our flying cars and hyperdrives, then tell me.
    Just write what you want man, it's fiction and our species is too fucking stupid to make that a reality. But if you want me to make a suggestion, do something with hydrazine for the brutality factor. Some hollow titanium AP round that pens the armor and dissolves the poor fuck from the inside with that vile stuff, assuming your proposed armor is sealed against biochemical threats and such.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Buddy future historians are going to call *this* the dark ages wether they do so from Mars or a wooden hill fort. We're *in* the nightmare time people will use as an example later.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't wait for a VR world that take me away from reality

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the armor is composite, weight of fire. You focus multiple automatic weapons on the target and rip through the armor progressively. Yeah it'll be hard, but if it wasn't why would anyone use the armor?

    You say that "sabot rounds didn't work very well" but you don't seem to have an appreciation for how limited the scale of development was; the solution is literally "just dump more money into it until you get it to work" there's nothing magical about small arms that prevents flechettes from working there but not out of HMG scale weapons, it just requires more money to develop and there's no demand.

    Our soldiers aren't at the peak of what we can design in terms of pure small arms armor penetration because there's no need and significant trade offs in expense. But if *all* you want is armor penetration there's nothing stopping you from giving everyone guns that operate at significantly higher pressure and give way better velocity.

    Mach four is easily achievable for an infantry rifle if you really want that, and a Mach four tungsten dart is a hell of a lot more effective than one hovering around Mach 3. You can have longer bodied projectiles, or stack up to three separate smaller projectiles to try to overwhelm composite armor with near-overlapping hits. You can easily design an assault rifle to have a higher rate of fire, you can even make a double barreled assault rifle, it's been done. If all you want is "infantry maxed out against personal/powered armor" you have loads of options before you even have to resort to dedicated anti tank weapons.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    airburst flechette

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hot sci fi take
    ~~*globalist*~~ government actually stable enugh to sustain an entire century would have a shit military with barely any budget or standing force left after a century of budget cuts

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have m203 type weapons that explode in caustic gas turning their armor into a coffin

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Writeanon have you considered:
    >They don't, are underequipped and undertrained but have soul and and the indomitable will of man and despite setbacks are able to improvise and grow in creative ways that make for an interesting story

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    556. Think of knights after muskets came around, armor became obsolete. Suppose the future soldier was protected against energy weapons because projectile weapons have become obsolete. A sword can still kill and it has been obsolete militarily for a while. Or maybe a canon, causing enough blunt force trauma to incapacitate the future soldier.

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since the soldiers are presumably in power armor, stuff such as recoil and ammo weight don't matter as much, so just having everyone using 12.7 assault rifles is perfectly doable.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Emp to disable suits or using highly concentrated radiowaves or infrared causing overheating. Both would disable suit and make it an easy target and from close up it would be easy to exploit weak spots / flamethrower.

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    microwave field turret
    try to cook the high-tech soldier inside his armor

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh emp
    because the MIC would never think of hardening their electronics
    >muh lack of endurance
    because they’d field something with a limited battery life
    >muh shaped charge munitions
    like you have the wherewithal to produce that

    At their basics PA is going to be a lightly armored vehicle which means you’re going to have to go after them with antitank weapons at the most or .50bmg/20mm canons at the least

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