How to conduct a planetary invasion?

How would, let's say the galactic republic, Invade a planet that's prepped an insurgency for them? What weapons/tactics/strategy would they need to use?

Bonus question: How would you invade Scipio, a mountain world, and what weapons would you use?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I personally think that the way to go would be to try and co opt the local police/militia by offering amnesty and good wages. Other than war crimes I have no ideas.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this. An entire planet's population would require decades of work to subjuate through force

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My theory is you don't need to subjugate the entire planet. Just subjugate the areas you need for bases or natural resources.

        You use your star shit to make sure you don't have any issues with artillery and fixed wing harassing your bases, and then just tell everyone within a twenty mile buffer zone of your installations to go away.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You use your star shit to make sure you don't have any issues with artillery
          What stops insurgents from using IED's and mortar attacks like the IRA and Iraqi Insurgents? Also what if they occur within the same city? Are you really going to anhilate a city with tens of millions of people and maybe hundreds of thousands of your own troops in it by firing at people who are fighting with meters of eachother? It's simply not feasible.

          I think that unless there's overwhelming superiority or some sort of pre-existing power structure that already supports you that you can tap into that planetary invasions would be absolute hell on earth and the casualties would be incredibly immense.

          The only way to use large calibre orbital bombardments without retarded amounts of friendly fire, civilian casualties and collateral damage would be in cases where you're fighting in vast open spaces like fields. Using them on a farming world that's mostly flatlands would be incredibly effective providing you have enough firefighters and firefighting equipment on standby to contain the flames and make sure you don't accidentally set large sections of the planet ablaze.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think the only way to really pacify the planet would be to commit huge amounts of war crimes, other than improving the living standards and bribing people to switch sides I can't think of anything else that'd work on a planetary scale.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >other than improving the living standards and bribing people to switch sides
      That isn't really the Imperial doctrine.

      It's pretty much: identify the local leader
      Inform that they must submit to imperial control or die
      When they don't, proceed with orbital strikes on civilian targets because you're baddies, then on military targets for a bit until the ground forces are sufficiently soft, then invade and commit even more war crimes.

      That's how pretty much every uprising goes.

      That's a war crime. How would you win without doing that, winning being actually occupying the planet and setting up a successful occupation. Smashing their planet with rocks is neither.

      >That's a war crime
      That's Imperial Doctrine in a nutshell.

      They're pretty much "someone ambushed our patrol so we'll execute 100 civilians"
      rinse and repeat

      They did inspire a massive galaxy wide resistance and lose after all.

      Spoken like a true Centauri.

      >Spoken like a true Centauri.
      They tried the East India Company approach with Earth first, tried to basically buy Earth with trinkets and make it a Centauri outpost.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They tried the East India Company approach with Earth first
        Say what you want about their ethics but the East India Company were damn effective at what they did. What every evil corporation aspires to.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just drop some asteroid sized rocks on them from orbit and send them back to the stone-age.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's a war crime. How would you win without doing that, winning being actually occupying the planet and setting up a successful occupation. Smashing their planet with rocks is neither.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you really want to conquer a planet, you spend a few generations selling it's inhabitants mEmePhone37 and use the profits to buy up all their land as they take on debt to buy the mEmePhone(n+1)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fine. Send in the nanobots and turn them all into grey-goo

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          thats genocide, not an occupation.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Identify the number of enforcers you'd need to put the entire planet's population under military overwatch, work out how many people you'd need to train, administer, and supply all those enforcers, that's your minimum occupation force, at least to begin with.
        If that's more than you can afford to commit, then either give up or prepare to commit a war crime or two

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spoken like a true Centauri.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What if you want to preserve the industries and skilled laborers.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You say "xeno occupied planet", I say "future enterprises currently occupied with pests".

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Using asteroids as a weapon is the most common fucking Dunning-Kruger example possible. The amount of effort it requires to do such a thing is so massive that if you're at the stage of such technology that you can do it, you're at a stage where you can use conventional weaponry to do much better pinpoint strikes.
      >b-b-but what if you want to just clear the planet?!?!
      Then you can use a biological agent or something that wipes out the population in a few weeks, or enough that you can just land troops down and finish off the rest and you leave the planet perfectly intact for you to enjoy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon I don't know how to tell you this but deorbiting a rock differs from orbiting a rock (a satellite, a cold war era challenge) only in amount of fuel used for delta v. And if you have access to more efficient engines like fusion (see: prerequisite for interstellar war) it's solved preemptively

        You don't need to destroy the planet, rock can be as little or as big as necessary. And if it's from the star"s side, it is extremely difficult to detect, so a 100m rock becomes a piss cheap strategic nuke that outshines entire country wide arsenals.

        This thread is hamstringing and /r/iamverysmart, no ship can out-supply a fucking planet, and no planet can out-gun a ship chucking meteors. Every factory city risks becoming a gigantic crater unless they accept unconditional surrender

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This, the very question itself is retarded and nerd anons here crying that the answers are dumb are even more retarded

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The amount of effort it requires to do such a thing is so massive

        You must have rotted your brain with a lot of fucking space opera, because it's absurdly easy. You just slow an asteroid down in the vicinity of an earth size planet to the point that it's gravity captures it. You can even mount a mass driver on a large enough asteroid and use a portion of its total volume to propel it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. brain rotted by space opera
          >moving lose dirt barely held together by gravity
          >easy
          Easier said than done.
          The recent DART mission is meant to learn wether or not it is possible at all.
          It's possible you may need a scoop at least as large as the asteroid to prevent it from disintegrating under acceleration and the center of mass will shift as the dust settle.
          And god help you if you need to rotate the asteroid to get a better hold. Better chose a nice round asteroid.

          Also, using mass-driver may mean pulsed acceleration which you better avoid with lose dirt

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ROCKS ARE NOT FREE

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >spending as much on paint as five warheads
        >paint is over 10x as valuable as crew rations
        kek

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          rations aren't what the emperor cares about

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The funniest is that it is very logical.
        - as soon as FTL is involved, waiting for asteroid become a waste of time
        - asteroid are lose rocks/dust barely held together by gravity, to move one you'd have to consolidate it first

        You remind me of the time a petition to build a Death Star got to the White House.
        https://www.cnet.com/culture/white-house-shoots-down-petition-to-build-death-star/

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >asteroid sized rocks
      asteroids ARE rocks dipshit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        but not all rocks are asteroids.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Presumably if their technology was more advanced than the indigenous population's and they had the firepower, it wouldn't be too hard to just claim a piece of land as their own and slowly expand outwards. Maybe do this twelve more times in different geopolitical locations. Though unless they were hellbent on genocide, the best thing to do first instead after establishing a base is establishing first contact with the local government and seek diplomatic relations. They're probably going to want guys who've been on the ground for a while to help them do that.
    Once you get a permanent seat on the UNSC with full veto power, the world is your oyster.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Presumably if their technology was more advanced than the indigenous population's and they had the firepower, it wouldn't be too hard to just claim a piece of land as their own and slowly expand outwards.
      What's stopping them from just doing thousands of suicide bombings, snipings and terror attacks against you and those who collaborate with you until you leave? What safeguards would you put in place to stop this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's part of the fun.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Once you get a permanent seat on the UNSC with full veto power, the world is your oyster.
      I'm taking about star wars wtf?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Strike from orbit. If star destroyers can fire precisely at each other at a distance of 1000s of miles, so they can hit surface targets. It's basically the ultimate artillery position. If planetary shields prevent this, use fighters to strike ground targets from inside the atmosphere.
    Clear a landing zone close to the place you want to capture and send your guys in with landing ships.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much. You have instant artillery/air support available at any point on the planet, the war itself will be trivial. The defender would be retarded to even try and resist.
      Of course, assuming political constraints, you could still run into an afghanistan scenario, but at this point it's really a political problem, not a military one.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but at this point it's really a political problem, not a military one.
        the clone war is a civil war, the goal isn't to genocide planets which have senators in the government but instead to reclaim and occupy them in order to realign them with the republic so genociding them just defeats the entire purpose of the war and doesn't qualify as a win

        it's like saying the solution to the chinese civil war as the nationalists is just to genocide every chinaman not currently in nationalist territory, it defeats the purpose of it being a civil war

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Strike from orbit. If star destroyers can fire precisely at each other at a distance of 1000s of miles, so they can hit surface targets.
      So obliterate a squad of insurgents fighting within meters of your troops every time they appear? sounds unfeasible

      >If planetary shields prevent this, use fighters to strike ground targets from inside the atmosphere.
      anti air and MANPADS

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So obliterate a squad of insurgents fighting within meters of your troops every time they appear? sounds unfeasible
        No but troopers > untrained insurgents.
        And then they execute a few hundred locals for every attack. Maybe round up the local low-level leadership and execute them too.
        Then they put the most powerful and immoral local in charge and tell them that they'll have some troopers at their command but will be executed if the resource extraction falls below required levels and let them get on with some atrocities to save their own skin.

        Is there some reason I want the planet?
        This question matters a lot. Because I'm already space faring and gravity wells are fucking pointless. I'd rather hang out up here and harvest asteroids and stars for resources while the roaches skitter in their gravholes.

        >Is there some reason I want the planet?
        Yeah, the empire requires mines, farms, slaves, ancient holocrons, lots of things that are most easily found in gravity wells.
        The empire has a *lot* of planets but it does draw its resources from planets which it needs to control.

        Hence the prison camps on Kashyk etc.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >No but troopers > untrained insurgents.
          bruh they're gonna blend into the civilian population, not wear uniforms, play dirty and snipe the shit out of you and star wars snipers are literally insane so i doubt training will do much

          >And then they execute a few hundred locals for every attack.
          this would just make the civvies hates you also thats a war crime, how would you win the planet legit?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Taking hostages, and in some cases executing them is not a war crime.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Planetary invasion is silly. If you have your starships poised in orbit, the world is already yours. The enemy cannot mass in any numbers, their industry is free real estate, their residential sectors are prime hostages. Once enemy ships reach orbit of a planet the battle is over. No reason fir boots on the ground.hprjvg

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >their residential sectors are prime hostages
      thats a war crime, also it'd cause a huge stink in the senate if word got out so you'd need to cut communications and occupy cities to control the population which leads back into the problem

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >implying they wouldn’t have a ground to orbital cannon

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A ground-to-orbit weapons platform would be the first target, dummy.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Big talk for someone who had to sacrifice weapons for engines.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How to conduct a planetary invasion?

    let me tell you how actual planetary invasions look like in the universe.

    you drop a virus-bomb the size of your fist into the atmosphere - it is absolutely undetectable due to its tiny size - the entire population dies, and the aliens land and colonise a free planet.

    the few conquests WITHOUT the use of virus bombs, is only in situations where the aliens just want to have some fun.

    You know.
    WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I liked Out of The Dark better. Only the ending was a little silly.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why was Niven such a horny writer? I swear every chapter of this book contained seggs or a lead on to seggs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Amazing novel!
      I'm a big fan of this series, but Turtledove is an awful writer

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Turtledove is an awful writer
        He comes up with interesting concepts and then shits all over them with words.
        Awful writer.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Couldn't put it better myself

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just offer fantastically good trade deals to every political entity left right and centre to nestle myself in there, establish some universities where graduates get cushy imperial jobs etc.

    I don't care if the planet isn't formally imperial since I'll own it in all ways that matter.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nice try, skywalker

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    fuck man it's impossible to say
    it depends on the kind of biological organisms living there, what tech they have, what tech you have and what are your objectives
    is your objective to genocide the locals and replace them or to just destroy them or to enslave them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Objective is to create a stable and successful occupation government with minimal insurgent activity.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        k, but what is their tech level vs yours
        in general the best strategy in this situation is to avoid war
        you might introduce your self as a helper, study their population and use genedited virus to reduce their levels of aggressiveness and increase submission, then use subtrefuge to create internal conflict and present your authority as only possible guarantor of peace and stability

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Clone wars republic tier vs a planet occupied by CIS troops plus native militia using standard equipment found in the galaxy.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >study their population and use genedited virus to reduce their levels of aggressiveness and increase submission
          that's a war crime, try and create a stable occupation without them (war crimes)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >their residential sectors are prime hostages
            thats a war crime, also it'd cause a huge stink in the senate if word got out so you'd need to cut communications and occupy cities to control the population which leads back into the problem

            Galactic republic's don't care about no pesky war crimes.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I agree to a certain extent but the point still stands

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there some reason I want the planet?
    This question matters a lot. Because I'm already space faring and gravity wells are fucking pointless. I'd rather hang out up here and harvest asteroids and stars for resources while the roaches skitter in their gravholes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yea, you've been ordered to conquer the planet by the supreme chancellor himself and he's put you in command of the whole operation.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Given OP won’t let us just blow it up I can only assume its necessary for cultural value. The last emperor tried building a giant laser to blow planets up to scare the rebellion into submission, now he’s dead. The current regimes thinking is if they can take the enemy capital without blowing it up maybe this show of conventional force will scare the rest of the galaxy into compliance.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >emperor
        >clone wars

        small brain moment

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The last emperor tried building a giant laser to blow planets up to scare the rebellion into submission, now he’s dead.
        that was mostly tarkin's idea tbh

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >now he’s dead
          First emperor is dead yes but what about second emperor?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Video here unironically answers your question in depth (and even deals with an enemy who overuses "noooook" threats)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the templin institute
      i hate yt channels with names like this

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why invade?
    Just sit in orbit and order them to do your bidding. If they don't, drop bombs on their heads.

    There's nothing on a planet worth expending your fleet to obtain, and there's no way a fleet's soldiers can overpower a planetary garrison in conventional battle unless there's a gigantic difference in technology a la the Aztec Empire.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    same old hearts & minds, economic development, preemptive incarceration of key political figures.
    most people just want to live a normal happy life, there will always be hardcore rebels but they wont have any foothold if the population dont want them.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >total genocide
    Engineer a prion disease to wipe out the targeted life form and wait.
    >subjugation
    The same way Europe did to the rest of the world in the 15th to 19th century. Make allies on the planet you want to control and use your superior tech and intel to make sure your allies are the dominant force. Meanwhile slowly invade your allys' political systems until you can establish yourself as the defacto ruler. Some limited military intervention may be necessary.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, direct occupation of an entire planet without using political skullduggery, elaborate virus release schemes, just glassing the place or what have you is kind of a pain in the ass.

    Basically, there's very little chance they've covered the ENTIRE planet in orbital defense batteries, but they'll be able to force you to land in unpleasant places away from the defended areas.

    Also, your logistics are going to be a nightmare and if you're not glassing cities you're going to have to deal with urban fighting on an unimaginable scale. You'll need like.... what, 1 soldier for every five people to occupy the areas you take (I forget the 'magic number'), so you'll need a whole other planet's worth of soldiers to keep everyone under control.

    You'll ALSO need to immediately get civic services up and running with almost no records and no disruption in order to 'win hearts and minds', as there's few things that piss people off more than getting their pensions disrupted.

    If this is a standard sci-fi planet with billions of people on it, you're basically going to need billions of soldiers for the GARRISON ALONE, all of which will need to be watched by MPs to ensure no atrocities that undermine the occupation occur. You'll need millions of fresh bureaucrats to keep civil services running. You'll also need to basically prop up the entire world's economy to stop people from getting unemployed and vengeful. And that's for AFTER you invade.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The invasion itself will be hell. If they have fleets and they fight you in orbit, you'll lose millions of soldiers in their transports if they choose to recklessly charge into your fleet to attack transports. Orbiting stations might also be able to significantly harm your fleets. Assets will flee into the depths of space to periodically return in pirate campaigns. Ships will crash due to simple accident, killing more of your men and losing valuable supplies. The war will kill hundreds of millions of people and cause famines due to disrupted logistics chains. Falling wreckage will cause significant infrastructure damage, not to mention the millions of skirmishes all over the world at the same time steadily grinding across the road and rail networks.

      Basically, don't do this, but if you DO do this, do so with billions of garrisons and MPs. You can 'make do' with less frontline troops as long as your back lines are secured. It will be a horrible attritional conflict even with orbital supremacy, but you will eventually win if you can stop enemy rebels and your own soldiers from enflaming tensions behind the lines and keep guerillas from getting out of control.

      The second you go 'off the reservations' and start getting oppressive on the locals, that's it, they'll never trust you. It will be too easy for rebels to inspire them to rise up and then the invasion is impossible.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine taking over a mountainous as fuck world like scipio, my head hurts just from thinking about it

        t. former army officer

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Taking over a mountain world like Scipio would be honestly insane, for every insurgent you'd need like 10 troopers and even then given that it's a planet of mountains the enemy likely have built huge tunnel networks that stretch for kilometers into the crust of the planet. I can easily forsee a battle over this tora-bora (but worse) type planet starting a few weeks into the war and then ending only when the final peace is announced on coruscant. If they have a planetary shield which makes bombardment impossible and a planetary invasion a nessecity then you're basically fucked unless you have a huge material advantage in terms of numbers.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People really misunderstand scale when it comes to galactic level civilization. Billions of people are still a drop in the bucket, a rounding error, compared to the population of the Galactic Republic, and any galactic civilization would be able to draw up a military force proportional to that scale.

    4.2% of the USA's population is in the armed services, an as the galactic hegemon the Galactic Republic would almost certainly have the means to maintain a military/population ratio at LEAST at that scale, and probably higher.

    The most common number throw around of the number of sentient inhabitants in the SW galaxy is around 1 quadrillion sentients, which at 4.2% leaves a total galactic military size of 42 trillion servicemen, with a galactic economy capable of providing the administration capacity, equipment and ships to support them.

    42 trillion.

    Assuming a standard terran planet has a carrying capacity of around 10 billion, and providing for Sci-Fantasy Bullshit allowing populations several times that size, the military means to conduct a traditional assault of a planet should be well within the possible reach of the Galactic civilization. Even a peacetime force half or a quarter as big would still have absolutely zero problems rounding up a force to invade and occupy a single planet, and probably has enough given the force multipliers of total orbital supremacy to conduct massive multi sector campaigns simultaneously before running into any form of serious manpower issues.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The galactic republic used clones and near the end they used spaarti clones that took only 1 year instead of 10 to make and there were a lot of them so i doubt it was only 42 trillion, probably more like 150-250 trillion and given they were fighting literallly quintillions of battle droids the numbers make sense

      I think landing, lets say, 1 billion clones, on a planet for the initial invasion would be difficult as fuck if there was a planetary shield and an ion gun or hypervelocity gun given the fact that the planetary guns would force the larger ships to keep a wide distance while the transports would flood the world with only fighter and bomber support, they'd get absolutely mauled to shit in my honest opinion but it'd be super cinematic to watch from a civilian's ground point of view

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually the number of clones is insanely small. Only a few million. Most of the army was PDF and guerilla soldiers. Clankers outnumbered them so much everyone couldn't understand how the republic wasn't steamrolled. Papa palpatine rigged the game from the start though.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Near the end of the war Palpatine added billions of spaarti clones plus some sources say when lama su (the kamino guy) said units in AOTC that each unit was a battalion which is 500 and something clones bringing it up to about 600 plus million for the first installment which makes sense for winning the battle of geonosis and piloting the first installment of ships.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    depends on the planet, if earth

    >bombard all hard targets from space with large metallic asteroids while your fleet waits out of ICBM / missile range
    >let earths armies fire their pathetic nuclear weapons at my ships, protected by shields
    >bring ships into bombing campaign range next
    >get smoked by a single small tactical team who snuck on my ship through my tactical stargate

    pic related

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      talking bout star wars, read the thread

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mountain world
    >full of redoubts, heavily fortified, high morale
    Its obvious any kind of conventional assault would be a complete shitfest meatgrinder. Theyd probably have some anti-orbital weapons to punt suckers in orbit too so I can't just gloat menacingly overhead. With that said we have many options.

    >C-strike from the system periphery
    In the relatavistic scale of things, your mountain world is stationary. Accelerate rocks big enough to flatten the mountains yet not destroy the planet entirely. This should make extraction of any precious resources easier after reclamation, by dint of most of them being rubble. Or just do it with the futuristic equivalent of nukes at the same range, good luck intercepting a salvo travelling at a significant fraction of the speed of light. The only thing they can do is come out of their little hideyhole and fight face to face, which would be a pitched battle on my terms.

    >tectonic weapons
    I just like the idea of a big fucking bass cannon bros. Enjoy living in your rat Warren tunnels when they collapse due to tectonic shifts.

    >fastball propaganda special
    Siege them. Stage a battle in orbit with "Republic forces" and retreat. Then have the "Republic" bombard the atmosphere with biological weapons to fuck up their agriculture and mutate the populace with horrible deformities. Claim the atrocity as a casus belli to damage the republicucks reputation and further our own aims.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just put all the colonists in camps lol. The guerilla is a fish swimming in a sea of people, if you drain the sea, the fish dies.

    t. COIN expert

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, first up let's assume the fleet's managed to establish dominance over the system. Maybe orbit's not totally secure, the enemy could still be hiding ships in mountainous hangers along with anti-orbital weapons or whatever, but the point is that they can't act with impunity anymore.

    Might be a good idea to set up shop, logistically speaking, on another planet or in an asteroid belt or on a moon or something of that nature. No need to make it easy on the enemy to disrupt our shit.

    Now we flatten anything military from orbit - might take a few months of 'fishing' to bait the locals into letting loose their remaining ships and anti-orbital shit so we can ambush them, but hey we're not in a rush.

    Now, I'm going to assume we want the planet intact for standard imperial reasons: they have shit we want. Maybe a resource or industrial good technical expertise or what have you. And if that's the case, good news! We don't actually need to 100% occupy the planet, just the major cities with spaceports, the infrastructure leading to anywhere where such things are extracted/made/trained, those locations themselves, and enough of a hinterland around them to keep things relatively secure. This is apparently a mountain planet so that shouldn't actually be too much of a problem.

    Who cares if the insurgents hold the whogivesafuck wastelands or the idiotsayswhat mountains when they don't produce anything of value? As long as they don't have weapons production and are successfully kept *over there*, it doesn't matter.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >unironic star wars fags having a discussion about planetary invasions

    It's completely retarded, once you have access to the resources of an entire star system there is absolutely no need to invade a planet for its resources. The only logical thing to do when conducting any type of interstellar war is to just launch and interstellar planet killer missile and annihilate any opposition before they respond or are even aware of your own presence. This stupid Star Wars shit needs to end as the reality of actual space warfare is much more boring but also an order of magnitude more terrifying.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's like saying the only reasonable way for nuclear powers to engage in conflict is to just fucking go wild with the nukes, and yet we see mutual destruction not happen despite frequent disputes between such powers.

      There would be degrees of escalation, no? Steps taken besides annihilation according to the situation, severity of the dispute, temperament of both parties, and so on.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, that's simply impractical when you're talking about the vast distances involved with an interstellar civilization. Any type of warfare or conflict is going to be totally existential in nature, there wouldn't be any type of military police actions or interventions like there is on our own world. The distances are simply too vast to warrant a boots on the ground invasion. The whole goal of an actual interstellar war would be to completely wipe out your enemy with a first strike before they can even respond.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, that's simply impractical when you're talking about the vast distances involved with an interstellar civilization. Any type of warfare or conflict is going to be totally existential in nature, there wouldn't be any type of military police actions or interventions like there is on our own world. The distances are simply too vast to warrant a boots on the ground invasion. The whole goal of an actual interstellar war would be to completely wipe out your enemy with a first strike before they can even respond.

      Clearly, in the lore of star wars, the majority of economic value comes from on-planet activities, so destroying planets effectively means destroying your own population and economy.

      Not to mention the fact that rebellion is an existential thread to such a huge, diffuse empire, and planet cracking entire sectors would probably lead to widespread mutinies and defections.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A galactic civilization like Star Wars is fundamentally impossible if the theory of relativity is to be believed. Like I said the vast distances of space are so astronomically huge that maintaining any type of galactic empire that's cohesive to a human being is just fundamentally impossible. For our purposes as humans expanding the accumulation of resources outside of our solar system is completely useless for anybody that actually lives here. A true galactic civilization would be millions of solar system that function as entirely autonomous islands that have little to no contact with each other. The only presiding political force that could unite this hypothetical civilization would be some hyper advanced artificial intelligence that thinks on a time scale that is not comprehendible for humans. The whole galactic civilization LARP of Star Wars is simply a fantasy, just like George Lucas intended when he made Star Wars in the first place.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Superluminal travel is obviously possible and common in this setting though.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            For the record, I don't think FTL is impossible. You just can't disentangle it from time travel. The day we crack FTL and by extension time travel is the day we will finally wake up and see the universe for what it really is. To go beyond that is to delve into the territory of God itself. Either way, human civilization and culture will become unrecognizable after such a radical transformation of thought.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >FTL = timetravel
              I hate this shitty misinterpretation.
              We have plenty of alternative concept moving the impossible factor away from that one argument, warping space itself would let you travel faster than a photon would without any problem with causality.
              Sure we can't imagine a real way to warp on purpose, but conceptually you'd still achieve FTL speed.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Think of Klendathu, but even more soldiers and ships. The Russian way.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >study race from a distance, record their customs and cultural values
    >contact sympathetic leaders, try your case at arguing that you are a benevolent race and are willing to let them become your vassals
    >promise them a panacea of some kind to ease their societal ills, like medicine or spiritual leadership
    >if xenophobic, block out the sun and hit their pressure points again

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do starships always warp in on a flat plane? It's omnidirectional in space without an up and down. You'd figure there'd be a lot less banking in flight wings like an atmospheric fight and a lot more ships flying everywhere in every frame of reference because you're in space.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because warping a nuke into the enemy HQ is undignified.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://honorverse.fandom.com/wiki/Ship_of_the_Wall

      >Ship of the Wall was a naval term that was the Post Diaspora evolution of the term "Ship of the Line" used in Old Earth navies.

      >Ship types included in the wall definition included battleships, dreadnoughts, and superdreadnoughts. They were sometimes referred to as "wallers". Wallers participated as the main elements of a "Wall of Battle", with lighter elements being the "screen".

      >Post Diaspora, due to the nature of space being three-dimensional rather than merely a two-dimensional ocean, allowed for the development of a Wall of Battle, with ships forming up both side to side, and up and down as well, in order to bring the maximum amount of broadside weapons to bear on an enemy formation. (HH3[1])

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    In starwar the lore has star destroyers decimating entire planets in bombardments alone if they didn't have shields.
    The death star wasn't needed, they already had the capability to depopulate entire planets realistically with how many they had.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What I said was "lore" retard, it's all "lore". battle-board gays might buy your cherry picking but it wont fly here lol.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How to conduct a planetary invasion?
    Like this, ya big dummy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ISA should have done the long subversion route and snuck pornography into the trad Helghast society.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    secure orbit of planet and moons along plane of orbit and/or rotation

    issue call to planetary governers to surrender, initiate blockade

    interdict any shipping between continents from orbit, build up forces and interdict any shipping within continents

    land at the first area to surrender and form a bridgehead

    proceed to planetside combat with the goal of forming bridgeheads on every populated continent

    aim to surround and breach population centers, rural areas work only to secure LOCs with occasional land and air patrols outside of those LOCs, supported by orbital reconnaissance

    eventually establish dominance so overwhelming that if there is any population center with like a dozen people in it, half of them better be your soldiers

    sure it’s manpower heavy, but if you’re in a future where you capturing planets is even possible, manpower and materiel are absolutely not a concern for you

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Come over the horizon and say that space boy I've got 90 megatons of hypervelocity fusile hydrogen nice and warmed up for you.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hispanicy rocks? cute. Gonna make your own star? You think that’s gonna let you see your star again?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Planets are useless. If the wellwala dirt siders get too uppity just drop rocks on them and check back in 20 years if they're still uppity.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Establish military presence in the orbit
    >Inform the planet about your interest and attempt to strong arm them into concessions based on the military presence alone
    >The planet refuses to give up enough for you to secure your interest
    >Start limited hostile actions, small scale orbital bombardment, cyberattacks, kidnappings.
    >If you are successful and they are not able to respond go back to negotiation table
    >If this doesn’t work repeat the last steps with increased intensity

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Hey check it out, we have this shit called bacta and it's more or less fucking magic to you. Plus a bunch of other stupidly advanced stuff like faster than light travel. Just sign on with us, it's the only way to get it." You'd barely need force with a few years of goodwill building and demonstrated value of joining the Republic compared to "or you can keep dying on the same planet you've always existed on of entirely preventable things."

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      where did i say that the planet is underdeveloped? ffs stop making these assumptions and read the header of the thread

      >the CIS
      the cis was on the same level as the republic in terms of tech, in star wars every fucking planet has bacta ffs

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you will pick up the can

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you have orbital superiority and can suppress ASATs, you have the planet. The easiest way to capture Scipio or any developed world would be to simply transmit media from on high. Drop TVs if needed, not soldiers. Shitpost on their ‘chans. Use culture as that weapon.
    >or just walk population centers with MIRVs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imo that might not work simply because they can just jam your signals and go full taliban: kill everyone who listens to republic news

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    CONTEXT NEEDED
    Is this an even fight?

    Seriously, you'll need to spend hours just to come with a setting where a battle remotely equal can happen.
    If your enemy is a hyper-advanced civilization, no your shitty human cold virus isn't going to deter them, they'll engineer the superior version and exterminate all of mankind without you even knowing where it started.

    Invading a planet is a lot harder than genocide. Especially if you intend to keep it usable. Just trying to take over the orbit is almost impossible, any heavy damage here will turn it into a Kessler effect and make it impossible for you to come later.

    Kinetic bombardment is obviously a possibility, but the travel time for anything give enough time for the defender to deflect your projectile unless you babysit them nonstop... which is going to be harder than you think. Your supply-line for your invasion fleet better rely on FTL (a kind that don't let you teleport nuke in front of the defender Leader during his big speech)

    Here, enough reading to last week.
    http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/planetaryattack.php
    http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/planetaryattack2.php
    http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/planetaryattack3.php

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simplest answer I can give is to have a huge advantage in terms of sheer numbers, offer amnesties out the ass and shower the place with economic aid. Other than that there's nothing.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    hidden probe that can wipe the planet by itself, let the moon dwellers know that the empire now expects tribute bi-century or face extinction

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >destroy whatever "fleet" they have
    >blockade the planet
    >prep all assets and offer terms of surrender
    >scan as much as possible from orbit
    >publicly announce civilians and other non-combatants are allowed to leave.
    >bombard until they are rubble
    >send in the boots to clean up.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    On the ground intel + droid probes to identify C&C centers, and then fire off hundreds of self-guiding double-hulled refrigerated tungsten rods from the edge of the solar system so they never appear on any kind of scope or provide any warning before screeching onto their targets at thousands of meters per second. After the first and second wave of orbital strikes, deploy massive amounts of jamming so no distress signals can be fired off, and run hyperspace disruptors in the vicinity of the world so civilians and enemy vessels cannot send word of what was transpiring to allies. After that, atmospheric deployment of millions of kamikaze drones to screech down and detonate atop enemy forces. Ground deployment of troops would be solely for mopping up, and would be heavily augmented by mechs and droids and gunships. Fleet battles over worlds are meaningless in a universe where Newtonian physics exist. Pretty much any ships in orbit would be triangulated and hit with chaff, rods, or various other projectiles fired from extreme range. This is why having big fucker space ships makes no sense. You won't be able to outmaneuver or out-tank death. So any IRL fleet duels would involve small fast stealthy vessels that are basically glass cannons, and rapid-reaction forces that can arrive from far away inside of a few hours or days. A la Mass Effect.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tottr

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >First Contact Was Friendly
    >When aliens trundled a gate to other worlds into the solar system, the world reacted with awe, hope and fear. But the first aliens to come through, the Glatun, were peaceful traders and the world breathed a sigh of relief.

    >Who Controls the Orbitals, Controls the World
    >When the Horvath came through, they announced their ownership by dropping rocks on three cities and gutting them. Since then, they've held Terra as their own personal fiefdom. With their control of the orbitals, there's no way to win and earth's governments have accepted the status quo.

    >Live Free or Die.
    >To free the world from the grip of the Horvath is going to take an unlikely hero. A hero unwilling to back down to alien or human governments, unwilling to live in slavery and with enough hubris, if not stature, to think he can win. Fortunately, there's Tyler Vernon. And he has bigger plans than just getting rid of the Horvath.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same way militaries conduct naval invasions.
    >fight an orbital battle to achieve orbital supremacy
    >choose a landing location would be difficult to reclaim with a purely planet based force, like an island
    >bombard from orbital the landing location, block off resupply
    >send in sappers and orbital drop shock troopers straight from orbit to take out key assets the enemy might use for a counter attack
    >launch a full scale invasion from orbital drop ships, secure the initial landing point to set up a base of operations on the planet
    >repeat until you control enough key strategic points that you can begin overtaking large swaths of land
    >probably make most of them surrender from the relentless orbital bombardment and blockades

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