How is Russia stuck using BTR-50s and MT-LBs but somehow North Korea managed to produce a modernized APC based on the same concept?
It not only does everything better but pushes the line between APC and light IFV, why did Russia forget the basics instead of wasting money on non existent crap like the T-14?
>How is Russia stuck using BTR-50s
Show me an example.
proofs
We haven't seen them in the combat zone yet.
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1628730696138166272?lang=en
>russian vehicle driving around in russia
wow. truly amazing proofs anon. we're all in awe of your single digit iq.
This was how the T-62 cope started.
Then the cope was that they were just going to the DNR/LNR.
Then the cope was they were just going to be used as fixed gun emplacements
Then the cope was Ukraine was wasting precious ATGM's to blow them up in Kherson
>T-62 cope
Don't shit talk T-62s just because one bunch of idiots are using obsolete monkey models.
Many nations not named Russia know what to do with them. Algeria, Ethiopia and North Korea don't deserve being lumped into the same category as a second rate power.
North Korean T-62s are probably on par with Russian T-72s at this point.
Better and that's not a joke although the latest Pokpung-ho variants aren't really T-62s, they are a T-62 that went through a half century of development.
North Korea spent a decade after the gulf war trying to get a T-72 from Iran but Iran didn't want to risk their arms agreements with Russia which were VERY, VERY specific about not doing technology transfers to the DPRK.
Best Korea didn't want the tank, they wanted to know what was wrong with it. Eventually Iran found a way around it, they gave the DPRK a captured Iraqi T-72. The DPRK decides that everything besides the gun was utter garbage, they copied the 125mm, deleted the autoloader and installed it with a western style turret based wet ammo storage system on their 'T-62' variants.
I can't think of a single reason why you would want a Russian tank over a Pokpung-ho IV in Ukraine, it is far more capable without even considering the VASTLY better crew quality.
I don't care what arguments anyone has about the twin 30mm AGLs, as a tank commander with beyond LOS ATGMs and AA missiles if i can't shoot something else i want to light someone up with those twin AGLs.
You mean import for thermal sights right?
>You mean import for thermal sights right?
Yeah, sending artillery shells and receiving food and technology.
Not sure want you mean but yeah, North Korea is selling artillery shells and basic rockets for oil and food as well as gold to Russia.
North Korea doesn't need Russian technology, if anything North Korea is selling thermal sights to them. On a practical level North Korean military technology is better that of Russia than in terms of ground equipment.
Russia can't even make uniforms without North Korea: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/russia-uniforms-11072022172110.html
>North Korea doesn't need Russian technology, if anything North Korea is selling thermal sights to them.
Really? I haven't seen any real evidence of North Korean thermals. Russian thermals suck, but they actually exist.
I think I remember your posts from an earlier thread about this topic several weeks ago. Very good read. Didn't the DPRK try to obtain a T-90 as well for R&D purposes?
>Didn't the DPRK try to obtain a T-90 as well for R&D purposes?
Not that i know of but years ago Putin tried to sell them to Kim Jong Un's dad, he wasn't interested. They probably stole all the tech from it years ago.
From what every defector and insider tells us here is how it works with foreign weapons:
If they already have a system like it that they will use it.
If they can improve it or adapt it to their doctrine or production methods they will use it.
If they can't produce it themselves or make a better version they throw it in the trash.
Any system that would require them to depend on a foreign supplier they refuse to use it.
They sold Chonma-ho's to Ethiopia 20 years ago that had them. They were modified copies of the thermals the Iranians had from their left over Chieftains.
Never underestimate their ability to copy tech and use it in weird ways. You wouldn't think that you could take a single wreaked LAV, a 30 year old sight from a UK tank and a D-30 to mass produce a discount Striker but here we are:
Bore evacuator.
Better design than the T-14.
Even the Taliban have some in better shape/modernization, and they've got some excellent left-behind trucks to provide operational mobility too.
Infrared spotlight cover missing and not covered with a expedient cover. Shameful display. Otherwise it looks fine, they even repainted it.
Pretty sure East Germany didn't have 40-50 atomic warheads, otherwise the DDR might still be around.
Russia just did their big test launch of the big bad Satan 2 missile to intimidate NATO, it failed. Meanwhile the DPRK successfully launches missiles on an almost weekly basis. Not to mention it has been 30 years since Russia could make a nuke work, in that time the DPRK detonated 6 including a fusion trigger.
The North Korean atomic stockpile could exterminate one half to one third of the PRCs population which is one of it's primary deterrent goals, North Korea isn't worried about China.
If anything it is the other way around, the DPRKs predatory nature and near invulnerability to sanction and intimidation means that they are preying on china and Russia with near impunity. Russia and China don't have influence over them, Russia and China are their victims.
>40-50 atomic warheads
Proofs? All their tests were measured to be borderline duds.
Also with what delivery?
>If anything it is the other way around, the DPRKs predatory nature and near invulnerability to sanction and intimidation means that they are preying on china and Russia with near impunity.
Top fucking kek.
>Proofs? All their tests were measured to be borderline duds.
The USA, PRC and Russia (your own government) all said they worked, somehow i'll believe the worlds three greatest nuclear powers over some random stranger on the internet.
Successful DPRK nuclear tests in the last 15 years: 6
Successful Russian nuclear tests in the last 30 years: 0
>Also with what delivery?
Probably the ones they test a few times a month, the last one was two weeks ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-fires-ballistic-missile-south-korea-military-2023-02-19/
>Then the cope was that they were just going to the DNR/LNR
Yea? You got a picture of it in use with regular Russian army units?
>We haven't seen them in the combat zone yet.
T-62 cope all over again
Those would be the BTR-50s being moved to the front by the trainload anon: https://defence-blog.com/russia-to-deploy-vintage-btr-50-tracked-carriers-to-ukraine/
It just dawned on me that if you compare their top tier units almost every major piece of ground equipment used by North Korea is not only more modern but more advanced than Russia's.
>modified PT-76/Type-63
No it isn't. They used the opposite of the PT-76/Type 63 process. They modified the APC into a native version, modified that into a light tank then modified it back into a APC.
>they can pull out the very few modern tanks they have to parade around a couple times a year for propaganda purposes
Which proves their superiority to Russia, North Korea can parade more than one or two modern tanks at once and they are clearly more advanced because they don't catch fire driving down a few miles of paved road.
> No it isn't. They used the opposite of the PT-76/Type 63 process. They modified the APC into a native version, modified that into a light tank then modified it back into a APC.
The vehicle it was based from, the M1981 light tank, was based on a modified 323 chassis.
That stupid thing is literally a modified PT-76/Type-63 chassis with some machine guns slapped on top, with the concept of of dating back to the 1970s. It’s not terrible for North Korea but it’s more intended for parade duty while 50 year old APCs do all the work.
There was some BTR-50s spotted on train carriages and pro-Russian accounts announcing BTR-50s heading for service. Makes sense given the loss rates for MTLBs and the fact Russia is fielding early model T-72s and T-62s in combat.
>They're not still using BTR-50s!
>Ok, well, they're not being transported to Ukraine!
>O-ok, well, they're not being put on the front lines!
Ahahahha, fuckin pathetic. Next you'll say, "those are Ukrainian BTR-50s!"
North Koreans aren't having theirs blown up 24/7. It's easy to have a more modern military than Russia when you're not waging retarded wars of aggression and losing men and equipment at an unsustainable rate.
Forbes is retarded 99% of the time, but they actually provided photos.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/03/the-btr-50p-was-the-soviet-armys-main-fighting-vehicle--in-1954-now-its-back-replacing-russian-losses-in-ukraine/?sh=f264e987af07
>North Koreans aren't having theirs blown up 24/7. It's easy to have a more modern military than Russia when you're not waging retarded wars of aggression and losing men and equipment at an unsustainable rate.
Take aways from this statement:
>North Korea isn't having their military blown up 24/7 because their enemies actually fear them
>North Korea has a more modern military than Russia because their leader actually makes sure his factories make the stuff he tells them to make
>North Korea isn't retarded and Russia is
The DPRK Special Military Operation in 2030 to liberate the Choson Citizens of the illegally occupied 'Kim Il Sung Memorial parking lot' AKA '"Vladivostok" from genocidal Russian oppression is going to be hilarious.
North Korea fun fact: Did you know that there is a canal system linking Nampo on the west coast of the Yellow sea, Pyongyang and their East coast? They can use it to transfer subs like Sangos from coast to coast quickly and unobserved, putting three dozen subs in the harbor of Vladivostok from their east coast within a week.
>North Korea isn't having their military blown up 24/7 because their enemies actually fear them
What enemies of North Korea fear is WINNING, and subsequently being responsible for the fate of 25 million of hungry, uneducated, brainwashed turd worlders and their dilapidated hellhole of a country.
It would be like the reunification of Germany but 100x worse.
russians are less advanced than NORKS, simple
Because North Koreans lack the Imperial delusions of the Vatniks. They KNOW they're a global pariah and put in legit effort.
Russians just coast on their fucking hubris and ego.
I can respect North Korea for implementing R&D with what they have and with the extremely limited resources available to them. For example, it’s led to them having some of the longest range tube artillery in the world.
they finance it through the narco production like fentanyl factories or organ harvesting. Think any activity typical mobsters/cartels get their claws into and norks are already doing it. For distribution they use their embassies diplomatic package to smuggle it out of the hermit kingdom
I hate vatmorons, but they’re actually using/losing their equipment in a war at the moment. Meanwhile NK hasn’t been in a war since 1953 so they can pull out the very few modern tanks they have to parade around a couple times a year for propaganda purposes
I get that. BUT so are the Ukrainians. The difference is, the Ukrainians are actually putting in real and serious effort to improve.
Russia is far too corrupt and degraded as a military power. They'd have more assets if they'd stop SQUANDERING them in Phyrric Victories.
Friendly reminder that it took Russia almost 25 years to produce a handful (7 officially) of failed prototypes.
Meanwhile the DPRK produced three new tank designs, two new SP guns, two new APCs, several MLRS systems not to mention a sub launched missile all of which have been visibly confirmed to be produced in deployable numbers.
>NORK invades Russia and takes some coastal cities
DO IT KIM!
The 155th was the only real ground force on the entire Russian Pacific coast and Vladivostok is within tube artillery range of the border. They could easily grab the peninsula, sink/confiscate the fleet (and nukes) then dig in like ticks behind a river. SMO Vladivostok soon?
That is literally what was written anon.
>The 155th was the only real ground force on the entire Russian Pacific coast and Vladivostok is within tube artillery range of the border. They could easily grab the peninsula, sink/confiscate the fleet (and nukes) then dig in like ticks behind a river. SMO Vladivostok soon?
China has claims to this land, they would not allow north korea to occupy it - they barely tolerate the russians being there.
NORKS would kill chink bugs too.
the only reason NK is still a thing is because of China
hasn't been true for decades
China isn't charging across the Yalu anytime soon, not to mention everything floating with a Chinese flag in the yellow sea would be destroyed within hours.
Oh hell yes. Oil and grain for sure but alot will be in straight up gold, the DPRK is a strictly cash on delivery supplier. After all, it isn't like Russia can can bribe them with military technology is it? Even nuclear tech; Russia hasn't tested a nuke in 30 years while the DPRK has set off 6 not to mention the North successfully tests missiles weekly while the latest Russian missile tests....Not so successful.
Bloodbath on Paektu Mountain will be the kino of 2030.
They had decades to upgrade and update basic equipment, this is what corruption and a lack of on the spot guidance sessions does to you.
They have been building a second DMZ and have made it clear their nuclear weapons are meant as a long term deterrent to the PRC and Russia. The DPRK arsenal could easily wipe out half the PRCs population.
They don't call it best Korea for nothing
>Norkies resist Chinese demands and utterly clap them in 2046
I want to live in the timeline where this happens.
>How is Russia stuck using BTR-50s and MT-LBs
That's kinda what losing hundreds of armored vehicles every month does to a bro.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
norks have gotta be making bank right now, right? If the Russians are buying artillery rounds from them, the Russians surely aren't sanctioning them and the Norks are getting shipments of that sweet oil and natural gas, right?
all part of the plan
Dude on the right is rocking some serious drip. Russia and the PRC wouldn't dare oppose them, not with that kind of of strategic swag gap.
bro's basically 50% bulletproof against .22 at this rate
>heavy undershirt, double breasted heavy wool coat with quilted lining, 4mm steel chest armor, 25mm all round overhead armor.
Guy is legitimately protected from light fragmentation splinters, i honestly would not trust .22 short to penetrate his clothing.
It looks like it's the winter version of the new parade uniforms they've adopted in the last few years. Under Kim Jong-Un, North Korean parades have moved towards very drippy, the clothes deliberately emulate the late 1940's/early 1950's USSR, and the parades themselves have a surreal Command and Conquer aesthetic.
Fuck I miss CnC
makes me think of the prissy posturing pageantry of the mughal army
General Potato behind the Eternal Daughter actually looks pretty jacked, i know people like to make fun of these guys but i am pretty sure either of them would beat the living shit out of 99% of the people on this board.
Especially General Potato the dude is the only non Kim i've ever seen who could be described as thick.
Air Marshal Swank looks amazing. The group dynamics here are interesting, note how everyone instinctively avoids getting between Rear Admiral Crunch and the chocolate fountain.
Doesn't North Korea export oil and gas? It's more likely they're trading for food and technologies like thermal sights.
>norks have gotta be making bank right now, right? If the Russians are buying artillery rounds from them, the Russians surely aren't sanctioning them and the Norks are getting shipments of ...
everything Kim can wish for, it's like a candy shop
...
>If the Russians are buying artillery rounds from them
IF.
Obligatory : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aLwG7gN7po
North Korea embraces Juche, Russia embraces kleptocracy.
It's part of preemptive strategy to counter the upcoming Ukrainian spring offensive. You are of seeing tovarish when Russia inevitably has it's next gesture of good will it will not be untold numbers of BMP or T-72 that Ukraine will capture but instead the death trap known as MT-LB.
>How is Russia stuck using BTR-50s and MT-LBs
maybe because of russias failed invasion?
maybe because equipment losses are huge?
maybe because fast replacement is only possible from old soviet stocks?
Iran and North Korea are ahead of the Russians because they accepted long ago that they had a bad security situation and had to be self reliant. Russia never did, they just pretend to have security concerns as an excuse for land theft.
Don't forget that Irans economy is almost the same size of Russia's economy despite having half the population and that in a one on one military confrontation North Korea would most likely beat the ever living shit out of Russia.
As it is Russia is barely a peer to them, 6 more months of this war and Russia will be at risk of becoming a Iranian/PRC/DPRK client state.
The Russians would unironically see an improvement in their lives if they were under the command of Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un. He does Soviet Union better than the OG Soviets.
>Putin has T-14s burst into flames during a parade
>Kims Pokpung-ho IV's roll smooth with white wall road wheels, Best Korean scientists about to discover how chrome spinning rims can deflect HEAT rounds
>She will never stomp your crotch with a knee high hobnailed boot while promising you a kiss if you renounce capitalism and embrace Juche
Feels bad man.....
>Say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
Left, standing behind Kim. Is that Elon Musk?