There are HEMA practitioners that train bayonet vs bayonet or bayonet vs sabre, like it happened historically. Longsword vs bayonet is not historic so most probably wouldn't do it except one-off as a joke.
If you actually know anything about jukendo, and didn't just buy it to be a weeb, tell your instructor and ask if he'd care to see it. then you can bring it in and show it off to him after/before training
Had a kid once bring in his parade rifle to karate class to some the teacher, he did competitive drill in highschool and had an actual antique surplus Springfield >serious answer is serious
No, I mean these Japanese people. They aren't even allowed to own a gun. Or a sword for that matter. How is this a practical use of time? "Ooooh I'm so good with the bayonet", you don't even have a fucking rifle OR a bayonet. I train primarily with Glocks and fixed blade combat knives because those are my actual weapons that I carry everyday.
They try to learn actual swordfighting from medieval manuals. Holding the sword by the blade to cave someone's skull in with the pommel wasn't an uncommon thing.
it makes it easier to aim for the gaps in armor you retard
you either wear gloves, don't hold down on the blade tightly, or don't sharpen the blade all the way
HEMA defends Mordhau by saying it's in whatever manual they're following, ignoring the context of rules-lawyering your way into bringing a polearm into a judicial duel by bringing a sword-shaped polearm. There's nothing sadder than seeing that video of Skallagrim demonstrating how Mordhau is awesome and doing incredible pathetic blows on his target.
The people replying to you are pretending to not know what you're referring to, and are deliberately talking about half-swording instead, which is a legitimate technique. A lot of HEMA clubs recognize it's bullshit though, but you'll always have butthurt defenders of Mordhau.
It's always his video that gets brought up to claim gripping the sharp edges of a sword (without gloves) is viable, even thought it actually proves the exact opposite.
I'm a professional butcher, also an avid outdoorsman who is constantly sharpening hatchets, machetes, hunting knives, etc. In my experience, the average person has no clue how to sharpen an edged tool. They almost don't seem to understand what an edge even is and cannot recognize when something is actually sharp. When they show me whatever pocketknife they're carrying it's virtually always dull as a butter knife and nicked to oblivion. I think this is why some people might think this sword-gripping stuff is viable, they just don't have any conception of what a sharp edge is capable of.
The part of the blade you would grip is not sharp. On purpose.
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I'm talking about the thing where they hold it by the end of the blade and use the hilt as a club or some shit. There are depictions of this in tapestries, which are obviously some kind of joke, but internet HEMA retards think it's real.
3 weeks ago
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>thing where they hold it by the end of the blade and use the hilt as a club
Oh. yeah thats for dudes in full armor with mailed guantlets on, and if you, a dude in full armor, have fight another dude in full armor, with a sword, you fucked up already. its an emergency thing
3 weeks ago
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Even with gloves on I would like to see someone actually do that with a smooth and fast transition, actually manage to hold onto the thing without it slipping out of their hands, not injure themselves, and actually execute the technique effectively at all let alone more effectively than absolutely any other strategy for dealing with an armored opponent. It's basically the single most unrealistic way you could possibly use a sword, even wielding it in your mouth like one piece would be more believable. Only some urban person who has no experience with edged tools and has also never been in a fight of any kind would actually buy this ridiculous bullshit.
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knight-an-armor fighting wasn't a lightning fast affair nor was it sophistictaed jumping about like in the movies, a large amount of it could involve grapplng and since you basically can't hurt the guy inside other than blunt force, the sword is effectively a long, slim mace and not a cutting weapon. using the pommel end like a hammer would have been after you already dropped it, tussled with the enemy, and separated. you picked it up off the ground and whammo. or not. IIRC in the manuals its basically a suggestion, like "hey did you know you could do this with a sword isn't that crazy ha ha"
>hold a sword by the blade
yes, becuase for most European double edged swords, the bottom section, called the forte is not sharp or at best 'sword sharp' and you can use two hands to get leverage with your weapon. longsword is not like fencing, it is not elegant, there's a lot of bashing with the weapon
It's already profoundly autistic to go to any HEMA longsword class; so sky's the limit kiddo
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There are HEMA practitioners that train bayonet vs bayonet or bayonet vs sabre, like it happened historically. Longsword vs bayonet is not historic so most probably wouldn't do it except one-off as a joke.
If you actually know anything about jukendo, and didn't just buy it to be a weeb, tell your instructor and ask if he'd care to see it. then you can bring it in and show it off to him after/before training
Had a kid once bring in his parade rifle to karate class to some the teacher, he did competitive drill in highschool and had an actual antique surplus Springfield
>serious answer is serious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%ABkend%C5%8D
damn japs are autistic, kind of cool they made bayonet fighting a whole thing of it's own though
That thing is not an approximation of a rifle, it's far too light.
What if you just put a round steel bar down the length of it? Should be a close enough approximation.
Why not just not practice with a weapon you aren't even allowed to own?
It's cheaper, easier, and less dangerous than putting a rack of Garands in your gym for people to practice with.
No, I mean these Japanese people. They aren't even allowed to own a gun. Or a sword for that matter. How is this a practical use of time? "Ooooh I'm so good with the bayonet", you don't even have a fucking rifle OR a bayonet. I train primarily with Glocks and fixed blade combat knives because those are my actual weapons that I carry everyday.
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Isn't HEMA where they teach you to fucking hold a sword by the blade or some shit?
They try to learn actual swordfighting from medieval manuals. Holding the sword by the blade to cave someone's skull in with the pommel wasn't an uncommon thing.
I'd like to see anyone try that with a sword that I've applied even my laziest sharpening job to.
you know that had gloves, right?
Don't care, stupidest thing I've ever heard of, worse than holding the gun sideways or something.
A few shitty drawings doesn't mean that people actually did that. Do people actually dive through the air while dual wielding pistols?
it makes it easier to aim for the gaps in armor you retard
you either wear gloves, don't hold down on the blade tightly, or don't sharpen the blade all the way
Look everyone, the twelve year old is posting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-sword
HEMA defends Mordhau by saying it's in whatever manual they're following, ignoring the context of rules-lawyering your way into bringing a polearm into a judicial duel by bringing a sword-shaped polearm. There's nothing sadder than seeing that video of Skallagrim demonstrating how Mordhau is awesome and doing incredible pathetic blows on his target.
The people replying to you are pretending to not know what you're referring to, and are deliberately talking about half-swording instead, which is a legitimate technique. A lot of HEMA clubs recognize it's bullshit though, but you'll always have butthurt defenders of Mordhau.
>that video of Skallagrim
Skallagrim is to HEMA as Charlie Zelensky is to boxing. Nothing he says or shows is remotely credible
It's always his video that gets brought up to claim gripping the sharp edges of a sword (without gloves) is viable, even thought it actually proves the exact opposite.
I'm a professional butcher, also an avid outdoorsman who is constantly sharpening hatchets, machetes, hunting knives, etc. In my experience, the average person has no clue how to sharpen an edged tool. They almost don't seem to understand what an edge even is and cannot recognize when something is actually sharp. When they show me whatever pocketknife they're carrying it's virtually always dull as a butter knife and nicked to oblivion. I think this is why some people might think this sword-gripping stuff is viable, they just don't have any conception of what a sharp edge is capable of.
The part of the blade you would grip is not sharp. On purpose.
I'm talking about the thing where they hold it by the end of the blade and use the hilt as a club or some shit. There are depictions of this in tapestries, which are obviously some kind of joke, but internet HEMA retards think it's real.
>thing where they hold it by the end of the blade and use the hilt as a club
Oh. yeah thats for dudes in full armor with mailed guantlets on, and if you, a dude in full armor, have fight another dude in full armor, with a sword, you fucked up already. its an emergency thing
Even with gloves on I would like to see someone actually do that with a smooth and fast transition, actually manage to hold onto the thing without it slipping out of their hands, not injure themselves, and actually execute the technique effectively at all let alone more effectively than absolutely any other strategy for dealing with an armored opponent. It's basically the single most unrealistic way you could possibly use a sword, even wielding it in your mouth like one piece would be more believable. Only some urban person who has no experience with edged tools and has also never been in a fight of any kind would actually buy this ridiculous bullshit.
knight-an-armor fighting wasn't a lightning fast affair nor was it sophistictaed jumping about like in the movies, a large amount of it could involve grapplng and since you basically can't hurt the guy inside other than blunt force, the sword is effectively a long, slim mace and not a cutting weapon. using the pommel end like a hammer would have been after you already dropped it, tussled with the enemy, and separated. you picked it up off the ground and whammo. or not. IIRC in the manuals its basically a suggestion, like "hey did you know you could do this with a sword isn't that crazy ha ha"
Retard alert. I hope you reflect on how stupid you are
>hold a sword by the blade
yes, becuase for most European double edged swords, the bottom section, called the forte is not sharp or at best 'sword sharp' and you can use two hands to get leverage with your weapon. longsword is not like fencing, it is not elegant, there's a lot of bashing with the weapon