Those are a bunch of criminal poachers not actual hunter. More often than not they just magdump at the poor elephant and took its tusks to be sold to become snooker ball at some silicon valley billionaire douchebags
If you already use gun to kill an animal you might as well use a proper gun that would take them down quickly and cleanly without having them suffer
>If you already use gun to kill an animal you might as well use a proper gun that would take them down quickly and cleanly without having them suffer
so if im using traps or a melee weapon to kill it, it's cool to let it suffer more?
Using gun already took much of the risks from the hunter side. When hunting is that easy you have a moral responsibility to not prolong the suffering of your prey
Trapping is only acceptable in a survival situation, trappers who don't trap exclusively to provide the only nutrition they can reasonably get deserve hanging
But yeah I do agree with him. You should seek help
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Anonymous
>lazerschizo going to jail for shooting some random couple
Always knew it would end that way.
I'm only disappointed he didn't try to blind them from half a mile away with a laserpointer first to try and prove a point before impotently shooting them in a fit of spergrage.
30-30 is roughly the same parity and has been used for white tail in North America probably more than any round. I'd think you'd just need hunting rounds, because the MOA is okay enough especially in the woods.
Hunters are pieces of shit and i love reading the papers on how they died in the wilderness, either starving, falling onto their guns or killing each others and pretending to have had an accident.
Looking up Bear Defense on Youtube is a hoot. Boomers will just flat out ignore facts and regurgitate the line they heard at the rod and gun club in 1989 that they never forgot.
Hunters are pieces of shit and i love reading the papers on how they died in the wilderness, either starving, falling onto their guns or killing each others and pretending to have had an accident.
That's fine. Russian hunters do it all the time (as long as their AKs are civilian versions that come in semiauto only and in variety of calibers).
If we consider actual military caliber AKs, 5.45 should pass as a substitute for .223 Rem, however 7.62x39 is inferior to .308 (obviously) and it's not a good option for hunting large game.
What have you forgotten on PrepHole you big pussy?
Not very. I can walk up pretty close to deer and elk. It's kind of a joke that people think they need to be 700+ yards away. I could take out a deer at handgun ranges. They usually let you walk pretty close to them before getting spooked and prancing a few yards then stopping. They won't let you get close enough to touch them for sure but they're not super skittish about other animals being close. Just walk up and pop it, even just irons are fine if you're not a shit tier shot. I'm really not sure why fags put on camo and have scoped sniper rifles to hunt stupid fucking deer who notoriously get so close to humans they can become bothersome, running into our roads or shitting on our properties. Hunting is a larp.
Are you poaching during non hunting seasons or shooting near a deer farm? Deer usually know when people will shoot them or not depending on the time of year, I've had dear walk up on me during non hunting seasons even when I've been shooting.
>get close enough to touch them
but if you very stand still they will 100% walk into touching range to investigate. Could probably hunt deer with a knife.
I haven't gotten close enough to touch, they'll run away if you get within like 40 feet of them. Then they'll do that thing where they sprint a bit, stop and look back to see if you're still close, and keep sprinting if you are. The dumbasses probably tire themselves out and flop down if you keep chasing them. The exception was a fuckhuge elk. Elk seem to not give a shit about puny humans, but I got close to one and he gave me fuck off horn gestures. Didn't risk actually touching it because that thing could've gored me with ease. So big ones don't even seem to bother running. You could definitely take that sucker with any gun/sight type of your choosing so long as rhe caliber and shot placement are sufficient.
Don't forget humans used to hunt with bows and spears. It's really a ridiculous notion to think you need a scoped high caliber rifle. It just helps a lot. When people go out hunting they're trying to make everything 100% as streamlined as possible, removing any room for error like any other sport or science, seeking mastery of the craft. But is that necessary? Not really. Having an AK would put you far ahead of what our ancestors were working with, and if the deer are dumb enough shit a handgun will work.
If you're hunting deer and you're not hunting a population that's used to being around people they're actually very fucking skittish and that's where all the camo and scent covering and deer stands and putting out feeders in the off season comes into play. If you're just talking about subsistence hunting then yeah the deer that are used to people are laughably easy to shoot and you can walk right up to them without issue, there's video of deer nearly walking into the barrel of a shotgun while the person holding it just stands there befuddled.
AKs with SP ammo are decent hunting guns against piggers and durr within 200 yards or so. With good ammo and an optic you could stretch that to 300 but past that your shot placement will start to spread out too much.
people on PrepHole grossly overestimate the distances they are shooting at
100 yards probably feels like 250 if you are lobbing slugs with iron sights, then round it up to an even 300 when telling the story
In response to a video of someone taking out a deer at 300 yard with sabot slugs.
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Anonymous
Yeah because retards didn’t believe it had the energy to kill at that distance, nobody recommended doing it, just showed that it was possible.
I love how the naysayers complain that you couldn’t have possibly shot that far when all they have is dinky 100yd ranges they’ve shot at. So they have no idea what it looks like to shoot a 600yd or 1,000yd range with anything, because they lack experience.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Post a video of you shooting a target with a slug at 300 yards I'll wait.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>hickok45.divx.avi
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If we're being assholes you could absolutely do it with a purpose built gun. A 16 gauge bolt-action rifled shotgun with a decent shotgun scope in 2-4x magnification with a large eye relief and lens and you could reliably make that hit on a man sized target at that range. If you're talking just a random unrifled double barrel even shooting saboted slugs you'd have a hard time getting consistent hits on a man-sized target at much past 150-200 yards depending on skill and wind.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah you stupid gay I’m going to drive an hour, pay a range fee, and shoot a handful of slugs just to prove some cocksucker on the internet that he’s wrong.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he can’t just walk out and shoot off his back porch at a target 300 yards out
ngmi
4 weeks ago
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At 300 yards a 1oz slug has 800fps and 600 ftlbs of energy. The soft lead slug has dropped 117 inches and with a 10mph crosswind deviated 54 inches. Because of the surface area and soft lead, hollow design intended for expansion, the slug will not penetrate nearly sufficiently enough to humanely take a deer at 300 yards.
Don't come back with >b-but .357 is only about 500ftlbs from a revolver and drops deer worldwide
Because it isn't doing so with a poorly placed, "see what shit sticks" shot. It also has much better sectional density and a smaller diameter allowing for better penetration.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Out of what barrel length? Because it only worked out of a 26in modified choke barrel, the 18in doesn’t have the same accuracy or velocity to carry it out that far with any form of precision.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
12 gauge foster slugs work best with no choke and a 24" barrel.
Yeah you stupid gay I’m going to drive an hour, pay a range fee, and shoot a handful of slugs just to prove some cocksucker on the internet that he’s wrong.
I heard soft points don’t feed from the magazine very well. I haven’t tried them with my WASR yet but if it can handle them I don’t see anything wrong with it being used for hunting.
For a short period of time before the Norinco ban in the USA. The SKS became a bit more popular than 30-30 lever guns, for deer hunting. It was cheaper than a lever, the ammo was cheaper, and it is a damn good brush gun. If you have a 3 moa rifle? 200 yards is probably your limit. If your actually stalking or calling or just in the brush? AK with some Hornaday SST in a 5 round mag, and only irons.
Plenty of durr have been felled by the 7.62x39. Just check your state's magazine capacity restrictions for hunting. Also, obviously, anything smaller than a deer it'll have no issues.
It is a rifle, it is fine for hunting. It has likely been used for such for a very long time. Being able to hunt, start a fire, and set up a shelter is what you need to survive in the wilderness.
if it's the gun you have, not that retarded
If you're looking at buying one all purpose rifle, slightly retarded (just buy an AR snowflake)
if you're looking at buying a gun specifically for hunting, significantly retarded
It's not light, not accurate, a pain in the ass to mount an optic on and uses a cartridge that cannot be used for hunting in several states and isn't good for anything bigger than whitetail. But it will be very adequate for anything approximately man sized and lower.
Overall, a Ruger American is like half the price for a gun that is better as a hunting rifle in every respect. If you just want an all purpose rifle a decent AR is also about half the price of a decent AK anymore. If you already have an AK, sure whatever, but there's no point in using one to hunt. Technically you could hunt with a G3 or FAL as well, but almost nobody does that for obvious reasons.
>.30 projectile exceeds every states' min hunting caliber >123gr SP rounds exceed the minimum 1000 ft-lb at 100yd requirement of more strict states
AKs are fine (and legal) for hunting. A Master Mount rail adapter will set you for life if you're so worried about optics.
some states only allow straight wall cartridges though (or have a longer season for straight wall cartridge hunting), AFAIK there's no AK that fires a straight wall cartridge. Meanwhile with an AR you can get a 350 legend upper to swap in and boom, you're legal. Kinda niche yeah but it is very relevant if you're in such a jurisdiction.
It's still retarded to buy an AK for the purpose of hunting. It will certainly work but there are so many better and less expensive options unless you just want the african poacher drip.
>african poacher drip
That's got to be the G3. Though you're right any $300 bolt action is better for the job. More bolt actions should come with irons too because honestly half the time I see a deer it's within iron sight range. I spend all this money on glass and half the time it just makes the shot so easy it's not challenging/fun.
I have a Vepr-FM in .308 and it was my hog gun for years. Finally hung it up because I’ve shot the barrel out and dunno what to do about a replacement.
Why would it be retarded? Are you planning to get one as baby's first gun but want to hunt too? An AK is fine for hunting, especially if you pick the right round for it. Did you buy into the impressively retarded "You'll blow the deer in half" bullshit or something?
People are killing elephants, buffaloes and lions with AK and SKS it's good enough
Those are a bunch of criminal poachers not actual hunter. More often than not they just magdump at the poor elephant and took its tusks to be sold to become snooker ball at some silicon valley billionaire douchebags
If you already use gun to kill an animal you might as well use a proper gun that would take them down quickly and cleanly without having them suffer
>If you already use gun to kill an animal you might as well use a proper gun that would take them down quickly and cleanly without having them suffer
so if im using traps or a melee weapon to kill it, it's cool to let it suffer more?
Yes.
why?
Using gun already took much of the risks from the hunter side. When hunting is that easy you have a moral responsibility to not prolong the suffering of your prey
>Using gun already took much of the risks from the hunter side.
and using a trap does not?
Trapping is only acceptable in a survival situation, trappers who don't trap exclusively to provide the only nutrition they can reasonably get deserve hanging
What if I want the animal to suffer?
You're the kind of guy who got himself a poorfag glock clone and etched the word "absolution" on it with a pocket knife
What?
He meant this anon
But yeah I do agree with him. You should seek help
>lazerschizo going to jail for shooting some random couple
Always knew it would end that way.
I'm only disappointed he didn't try to blind them from half a mile away with a laserpointer first to try and prove a point before impotently shooting them in a fit of spergrage.
That's only ok if you hunt geese.
Why would it be retarded
30-30 is roughly the same parity and has been used for white tail in North America probably more than any round. I'd think you'd just need hunting rounds, because the MOA is okay enough especially in the woods.
>that scope mounting solution
somebody please put it out of its misery
>Implying there’s anything wrong with side rail QD mounts
sure if you love weeble wobble
Mine locks up tight on both guns that have it, returns to zero every time.
if you use the proper rails then it doesn't have any issues. Sorry you cant do enough research to find something that locks up properly for you
>"hi i'm a neverguns who doesn't know how to tighten a dovetail qd mount"
Dovetail to rail.
It isn't weird.
What's wrong with it? It's just an adapter and AKs use those side mounts normally.
I think they look stupid but it's not abnormal for an AK
Just don't use milsurp fmj.
some hornady sst and a five round mag to go with that npap sound like a good idea to me OP but I'm retarded
It's fine for whitetail deer. Just don't try to hunt a moose at 400yds with it and you'll be fine.
he needs a glock for that
>falling onto their guns
kek
>All the big bore boomers coping and seething in the comments that a 9mm took down a moose
fuck i'm dying laffin. combo of punch drunk retardmode and being on this part of youtube givin me glocknaded ideas
Looking up Bear Defense on Youtube is a hoot. Boomers will just flat out ignore facts and regurgitate the line they heard at the rod and gun club in 1989 that they never forgot.
That's a .40 s&w.
clearly a famas
onto their guns
>kek
what, you don't fix bayonet when you are out hunting?
ngmi
That's a pretty small moose.
Hunters are pieces of shit and i love reading the papers on how they died in the wilderness, either starving, falling onto their guns or killing each others and pretending to have had an accident.
3/10 made me reply
That's fine. Russian hunters do it all the time (as long as their AKs are civilian versions that come in semiauto only and in variety of calibers).
If we consider actual military caliber AKs, 5.45 should pass as a substitute for .223 Rem, however 7.62x39 is inferior to .308 (obviously) and it's not a good option for hunting large game.
What have you forgotten on PrepHole you big pussy?
Its actually not bad. In a pinch its also decent bear defense. Get yourself some of the soft point ammo and its nice.
Not very. I can walk up pretty close to deer and elk. It's kind of a joke that people think they need to be 700+ yards away. I could take out a deer at handgun ranges. They usually let you walk pretty close to them before getting spooked and prancing a few yards then stopping. They won't let you get close enough to touch them for sure but they're not super skittish about other animals being close. Just walk up and pop it, even just irons are fine if you're not a shit tier shot. I'm really not sure why fags put on camo and have scoped sniper rifles to hunt stupid fucking deer who notoriously get so close to humans they can become bothersome, running into our roads or shitting on our properties. Hunting is a larp.
Are you poaching during non hunting seasons or shooting near a deer farm? Deer usually know when people will shoot them or not depending on the time of year, I've had dear walk up on me during non hunting seasons even when I've been shooting.
yeah you CAN just overpower them anon but the whole point is, they want to be pursued
>get close enough to touch them
but if you very stand still they will 100% walk into touching range to investigate. Could probably hunt deer with a knife.
I haven't gotten close enough to touch, they'll run away if you get within like 40 feet of them. Then they'll do that thing where they sprint a bit, stop and look back to see if you're still close, and keep sprinting if you are. The dumbasses probably tire themselves out and flop down if you keep chasing them. The exception was a fuckhuge elk. Elk seem to not give a shit about puny humans, but I got close to one and he gave me fuck off horn gestures. Didn't risk actually touching it because that thing could've gored me with ease. So big ones don't even seem to bother running. You could definitely take that sucker with any gun/sight type of your choosing so long as rhe caliber and shot placement are sufficient.
Don't forget humans used to hunt with bows and spears. It's really a ridiculous notion to think you need a scoped high caliber rifle. It just helps a lot. When people go out hunting they're trying to make everything 100% as streamlined as possible, removing any room for error like any other sport or science, seeking mastery of the craft. But is that necessary? Not really. Having an AK would put you far ahead of what our ancestors were working with, and if the deer are dumb enough shit a handgun will work.
you should try that in a hunting zone that is actually pressured
If you're hunting deer and you're not hunting a population that's used to being around people they're actually very fucking skittish and that's where all the camo and scent covering and deer stands and putting out feeders in the off season comes into play. If you're just talking about subsistence hunting then yeah the deer that are used to people are laughably easy to shoot and you can walk right up to them without issue, there's video of deer nearly walking into the barrel of a shotgun while the person holding it just stands there befuddled.
Not retarded at all you homosexual.
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabin_Radom-Hunter
Not retarded, just get the good soft point ammo. Keep it 150 and in for deer.
Going hog hunting super early tomorrow and I plan on using my ak103 clone with Hornady Blacked ammo.
I should be fine at 50 yards, right b-bros?....
AKs with SP ammo are decent hunting guns against piggers and durr within 200 yards or so. With good ammo and an optic you could stretch that to 300 but past that your shot placement will start to spread out too much.
Godspeed, fellow pigger destroyer
>With good ammo and an optic you could stretch that to 300
People on PrepHole claim to take deer at 300 yards with soft slugs and a shotgun.
people on PrepHole grossly overestimate the distances they are shooting at
100 yards probably feels like 250 if you are lobbing slugs with iron sights, then round it up to an even 300 when telling the story
Nobody claimed that retard, the claim was that was the maximum range for a 12 ga slug out of a 26in barrel, which it is.
Sure...
In response to a video of someone taking out a deer at 300 yard with sabot slugs.
Yeah because retards didn’t believe it had the energy to kill at that distance, nobody recommended doing it, just showed that it was possible.
I love how the naysayers complain that you couldn’t have possibly shot that far when all they have is dinky 100yd ranges they’ve shot at. So they have no idea what it looks like to shoot a 600yd or 1,000yd range with anything, because they lack experience.
Post a video of you shooting a target with a slug at 300 yards I'll wait.
>hickok45.divx.avi
If we're being assholes you could absolutely do it with a purpose built gun. A 16 gauge bolt-action rifled shotgun with a decent shotgun scope in 2-4x magnification with a large eye relief and lens and you could reliably make that hit on a man sized target at that range. If you're talking just a random unrifled double barrel even shooting saboted slugs you'd have a hard time getting consistent hits on a man-sized target at much past 150-200 yards depending on skill and wind.
Yeah you stupid gay I’m going to drive an hour, pay a range fee, and shoot a handful of slugs just to prove some cocksucker on the internet that he’s wrong.
>he can’t just walk out and shoot off his back porch at a target 300 yards out
ngmi
At 300 yards a 1oz slug has 800fps and 600 ftlbs of energy. The soft lead slug has dropped 117 inches and with a 10mph crosswind deviated 54 inches. Because of the surface area and soft lead, hollow design intended for expansion, the slug will not penetrate nearly sufficiently enough to humanely take a deer at 300 yards.
Don't come back with
>b-but .357 is only about 500ftlbs from a revolver and drops deer worldwide
Because it isn't doing so with a poorly placed, "see what shit sticks" shot. It also has much better sectional density and a smaller diameter allowing for better penetration.
Out of what barrel length? Because it only worked out of a 26in modified choke barrel, the 18in doesn’t have the same accuracy or velocity to carry it out that far with any form of precision.
12 gauge foster slugs work best with no choke and a 24" barrel.
So you can't? Got it.
that depends on the AK
fuck everybody, i like this
i'd love it if it had a regular grip and stock
I heard soft points don’t feed from the magazine very well. I haven’t tried them with my WASR yet but if it can handle them I don’t see anything wrong with it being used for hunting.
For a short period of time before the Norinco ban in the USA. The SKS became a bit more popular than 30-30 lever guns, for deer hunting. It was cheaper than a lever, the ammo was cheaper, and it is a damn good brush gun. If you have a 3 moa rifle? 200 yards is probably your limit. If your actually stalking or calling or just in the brush? AK with some Hornaday SST in a 5 round mag, and only irons.
A-GAYS are shit accuracy so it would be dumb as fuck.
Plenty of durr have been felled by the 7.62x39. Just check your state's magazine capacity restrictions for hunting. Also, obviously, anything smaller than a deer it'll have no issues.
This was a pretty popular hunting rifle in Romania, though it was banned for hunting purposes for some retarded reason some time ago.
It is a rifle, it is fine for hunting. It has likely been used for such for a very long time. Being able to hunt, start a fire, and set up a shelter is what you need to survive in the wilderness.
if it's the gun you have, not that retarded
If you're looking at buying one all purpose rifle, slightly retarded (just buy an AR snowflake)
if you're looking at buying a gun specifically for hunting, significantly retarded
It's not light, not accurate, a pain in the ass to mount an optic on and uses a cartridge that cannot be used for hunting in several states and isn't good for anything bigger than whitetail. But it will be very adequate for anything approximately man sized and lower.
Overall, a Ruger American is like half the price for a gun that is better as a hunting rifle in every respect. If you just want an all purpose rifle a decent AR is also about half the price of a decent AK anymore. If you already have an AK, sure whatever, but there's no point in using one to hunt. Technically you could hunt with a G3 or FAL as well, but almost nobody does that for obvious reasons.
>.30 projectile exceeds every states' min hunting caliber
>123gr SP rounds exceed the minimum 1000 ft-lb at 100yd requirement of more strict states
AKs are fine (and legal) for hunting. A Master Mount rail adapter will set you for life if you're so worried about optics.
some states only allow straight wall cartridges though (or have a longer season for straight wall cartridge hunting), AFAIK there's no AK that fires a straight wall cartridge. Meanwhile with an AR you can get a 350 legend upper to swap in and boom, you're legal. Kinda niche yeah but it is very relevant if you're in such a jurisdiction.
It's still retarded to buy an AK for the purpose of hunting. It will certainly work but there are so many better and less expensive options unless you just want the african poacher drip.
>african poacher drip
That's got to be the G3. Though you're right any $300 bolt action is better for the job. More bolt actions should come with irons too because honestly half the time I see a deer it's within iron sight range. I spend all this money on glass and half the time it just makes the shot so easy it's not challenging/fun.
Not retarded at all
I have a Vepr-FM in .308 and it was my hog gun for years. Finally hung it up because I’ve shot the barrel out and dunno what to do about a replacement.
ACKTUALLY THAT IS A RPK THANK YOU
Why would it be retarded? Are you planning to get one as baby's first gun but want to hunt too? An AK is fine for hunting, especially if you pick the right round for it. Did you buy into the impressively retarded "You'll blow the deer in half" bullshit or something?