How realistic is the 40k Russian casualties figure?
Even 20k sounds exxagerated for half a year.
How realistic is the 40k Russian casualties figure? Even 20k sounds exxagerated for half a year.
How realistic is the 40k Russian casualties figure?
Even 20k sounds exxagerated for half a year.
the 40k is Russians+Donbabwe+Luganda+PMCs
"real Russians" are probably somewhere around 15k
Black person please.
Don't confuse a casualty with dead.
And for OP they've got probably 40k dead but only if you roll in what this homosexual was talking about.
That's the russian military the donbabs... Wagner.. etc
They always confuse casualties with deaths.
It is a clear indication that the person you are talking to is an idiot.
Real Russian loses are at most in low hundreds. Only Muscowites and St. Peterburgins are considered human in Russia.
Yes, most are buryats and from israeli Autonomous Oblast.
Always wondered why that is
There are many other ethnically russian cities in russia, some with very sizeable populations.
Is it just a meme?
part of the structure of the empire, the big heads are in the capital and therefore get a free pass as a higher class of people
during the soviet times people couldn't travel freely and had to be signed up to whatever place they are staying at, and being assigned to moscow conferred a few tangible advantages to the point that people payed serious(by soviet measures) money just to have that assignment on paper.
Same with russian empire, despite cancellation of slavery the serfs were still assigned to the land of their former owner.
I totally get why the soviet system can create that kind of situation, bit that doesn't explain Petersburg. All power was in Moscow, and Petersburg wasn't a place of power for the better part of a century. Can it really be leftover prestige from the Russian Empire days? Seems weird
St Petersburg is to russia what New York is to the United states: the gate to the rest of the world.
St petersburg has a big harbour and it is culturally on the same level as Moscow.
Tbh here I don't know the exact numbers and the deep down history of both enough but from geography alone I would make this assumption. Plus the emperor sat there up until 1917.
>Real Russian loses are at most in low hundreds. Only Muscowites and St. Peterburgins are considered human in Russia.
All of them Lt Col or higher
>talk to Russians from Moscow or St. Pete
>normal humans, criticize their government like a westerner would, usually pretty smart, speak good English, can think for themselves
>talk to Russians from anywhere else
>literal third worlders who can barely think at all
The Russian Federation (and the USSR before it) is a 17th century continental empire comprised of an ethnic heartland that siphons wealth from conquered hinterlands and no government in the last four centuries of radical ideological upheaval has sought to change that internal structure because any political liberalization would do to Russia what it did to all the other European empires and break them up.
Makes a lot of sense. The USSR definitely tried to change this by having separate states working with each other as one. Obviously they couldn't shake that absolute monarchy mentality though.
The USSR waffled back and forth with recognizing the individual republics as separate nationalities and trying to forcibly Russify them, communist theory got really messy with how to handle nationalities and ethnicities because they add a whole other dimension to the obsession with class and were seen as vulnerabilities for external powers to use to break up the union, at the same time there was a practical need to have the small states buy in to the USSR as a project and a veneer of autonomy and continued identity was helpful for that. Policies changed a lot over the years and often saw ethnic Russians forcibly settled in ethnic minority lands to dilute any secessionist thoughts which is why all the old Soviet states still grapple with Russian speaking communities that are basically leftover political fifth columns - including Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the Baltics which coincidentally are all places the Russians still actively frick around with when they seek to pursue their own interests and not Moscow's.
The irony is that Russia is so Stupid-Evil, they managed to alienate a LOT of Russian-Ukrainians who would have been on their side. Bombing their homes and terrorizing them in general tends to do that. It's hard to claim you're "liberating" Russian-Ukrainians when you're killing them left and right.
Assuming people up top are stupid always makes for bad conclusions.
It's all evidence that this was supposed to be a week-long war with minimal resistance. Once the russians started they couldn't just leave, thus the bombing. It's not stupid, it's just what failure and weakness looks like
all of their face saving culture is going to get russia in so much trouble in the long run, russians assume they're untouchable because of their geography and nuclear arsenal but the damage they're doing to themselves economically and politically is going to be felt for a very long time. Ironic that Putin in trying to avoid the fates of Gaddafi and Saddam has pretty much firmly planted himself on that same life trajectory.
Fake it till you make it only works if you actually make it, if you fake it and don't make it there's going to be a colossal correction in the near future
I'm sure of it as well. In the west we like to think our guilt culture is a major weakness. And it is, really. But in comparison to any form of face-saving culture it's a fricking blessing. And we're losing it fast, unfortunately
Hell they even managed to get other countries to rethink their relations with them.
Another aspect of USSR collapse was Russian power getting weak in Kremlin. It was at risk of other republics taking lead thus some breakup was required for Russia to remain main regional center of power.
IMHO they believed they could do a quick power shuffle, strengthen their position, weaken competitors and quickly re-consolidate the union few years later with Russia having much more defined central role.
T. kamil
"Real" Russians are at least less than half that number if you consider how many siberians and caucasians are sent to die because their minority families will make less of a fuss back home
>real Russians
The majority of Russian citizens killed are non white Russians from impoverished regions. So the number of Russians that actually matter killed is even smaller
>Loses an entire battalion by dropping them into the middle of the sea in February
>Nine entire battalions of VDV are >90% destroyed
>1:1 KIA:WIA rate
>Casualties couldn't possibly be that high
Good.
I can almost guarantee it's higher than that. With how public their biggest failures have been we can assume their day to day is equally brutal and heavy. If Ukraine is losing 200 a day the Russians are least losing that much. Probably higher since they've been on the offensive.
there are basically no offensives outside of probing attacks to take tiny villages at the moment. I doubt if either side has taken major casualties in the last month or so
This anon is right. Even if the injury is minor (as minor as getting shot or hit by shrapnel can be) you’re fricked if you’re in a shit covered trench using bandages covered in mold and dry rubber tubes for tourniquets.
Its like god just decided to shit on that one particular conscript in a fricked up final destination kind of way.
IFAKs with FRICKING BLACK MOLD growing on them
are we gonna be seeing russian the last of us?
The Last of Rus
5k russian army, 2k dpr, 500~ lpr
20-30~k ukrainians
best estimate itt
6000 000 million dead ukronazis and only one Russian hero who died from alcohol poisoning
IFAKs with FRICKING BLACK MOLD growing on them
If You mean that tank first aid kit; well - it's no mold. A common practical joke in Rußian military is to shit in some remote corner of the vehicle, before passing it to another crew/ different unit.
>it’s not mold
>it’s shit
Oh alright it’s all good then
Tankshitting/AFVshitting is apparently quite old dating at least to WWII but I've no link handy. There's just something natural to soldiers about creative defecation.
Probably in the range of 15k-25k. 40k is way too much for half a year, even for how incompetent they are.
Fyi Russian newspaper accidentally leaked that they had 16k dead in march. Before claim "we were hacked"
I mean they lost 5k vehicles... And the only the confirmed ones
To be fair mayn of those vehicles were abandoned and than destroyed/captured so it's not really a good metric to count personnel losses.
People don't just abandon vehicles for no reason, therefore the vehicle losses are a good measure of intensity of combat. Higher intensity and more combat = more casualties, one way or another.
If they (the military) were keen on keeping a lid on it how would the newspaper know to begin with?
Politburo gives the information to the newspaper and tells them what to print. Mistakes happen and the actual dataset gets send instead of the 1400 dead like Russia claims.
Many newspaper are basically state-run and just like with the 3 Sims somebody did his job to the letter as a form of protest.
Real answer in troll thread.
So the Ukrainians have said that they hope that their dead are under 100k,now lets assume worst case scenario and say that they did take 100k dead plus aprox 200k wounded total 300k casualties. This would explain why the Ukrainians cant advance despite alegedly having 600-700k troops in the field.
On the other side the russians have started with about 250k troops and now they say they have 300-400k.
At the begining of the war they took 1 casualty for 0.8 ukrainian casualties, when the war was mobile and they exposed their back lines.
Now they are taking less casualties since the war has shifted in their advantage with an artilery duel they are clearly dominating.
Best case scenraio for Russia would be 1 casualty for 2 ukrainians, this would put their dead at 50k and wounded at 100k,total minimum of 150k casualties. This would explain also why they cant advance or are doing it at an incredibly slow pace and in small locations(plus the over 5k vehicles lost).
My personal opinion is that military deaths are very underreported by both sides and we are easily over 100k total if not in the 200s already. This just considering the number of shells both sides fire.
War is hell and its based.
The major problem for Russia is simply that it doesn't have the manpower to OCCUPY Ukraine. Its gains don't matter for shit without sufficient occupation troops.
They will just import a massive amount of russians to the occupied territories
That plus a lot of Ukrainians fleeing will do the rest unfortunately
We'll see how long those squatters last.
"Massive" from where? Russia does not have a large population like the Soviet Union.
>the Ukrainians have said that they hope that their dead are under 100k
>having 600-700k troops in the field
based moron
>Best case scenraio for Russia would be 1 casualty for 2 ukrainians
this is not even remotely true russian artillery outnumbers ukrainian artillery 20 to 1, and in a ww1 style war artillery = almost all casualties
>inb4vatnik
No artillery ammo = no artillery. Take out all Russian artillery logistics and their weapons cannot fire.
Nah, Russians only had 20 to 1 advantage in Svierodonetsk or whatever.
Overall in theater Ukrainians have about 1k artilery pieces(this assuming over 50% were lost) and russians have about 5k(assuming all loses were replaced).
Even having a 5to1 advantage wont necesarly mean the enemy will take 5 times more casualties than you.
You have to consider that Ukrainians are well dug in and that russians frick up big time on the reg, failing to exploit their advantage, this is why the front barely moves.
>At the begining of the war they took 1 casualty for 0.8 ukrainian casualties, when the war was mobile and they exposed their back lines.
>Now they are taking less casualties since the war has shifted in their advantage with an artilery duel they are clearly dominating.
Absolutely retared opinions.
Damn, Sam Hyde got many nicknames during this war.
>russians
>using IFAK
did you watch some fancy wagner video?
the normal russian(yes, i'm not even talking about donbabwe) soldier gets
>a bandage
>a shot of promedol
>a length of rubber to use as tourniquet
>How realistic is the 40k Russian casualties figure?
Considering western sources are constantly adjusting the estimated Russian KIA figures down? It's not looking good, boss man.
Mold is extra penicillin, good for you man up and wrap the fungus bandage on the open wound
Then you get fungal sepsis, moron. Doubly so for AIDS-ridden vantnigs. Penicillin is extracted from the mould and not left in it for a reason
Considering how BAD Russian battlefield medicine is, I suspect a lot of their wounded will be KIA. They still rely on transporting troops back to fricking hospitals.
is a MASH from the 1950s too radical a concept for the Russians?
Seriously, why aren't we shipping way more battlefield medicine to Ukraine? The more Ukrainians survive their wounds, the longer they can fight the damn Russians.
RAF 19.582~ KIA 900~ POW
DNR 11.000~ KIA/MIA
LNR 5-11.000~ KIA /MIA
UAF ~20.000 KIA 8.000~ POW
t. knower
Russia/multicultural hordes = 25,000 KIA, 50,000 WIA, 1,000 POW
Ukraine = 30,000 KIA, 60,000 WIA, 5,000 POW
Source: im israeli
Bullshit.
This seems reasonable.
Nobody died, it's all airsoft and pictures of dead people are just men being all tuckered out from an entire day of playing so they sleep wherever.
Does anyone have a photo of the Russian camp, where they're sleeping in mud and shit on plywood sheets?
It was the most depressing image ever
>40k
Most foreign intelligence agencies are speculating with 60-80k by now.
Mac, tell me MacMoar.
Russian estimate 75k leaked via US intelligence
That doesn't include any Russian where the Ukies still have the body but it probably does include DPR and LPR which the other numbers like 60k don't.
Probable true total casualties including currently registered MIA about 100k.
https://www.businessinsider.com/75000-russian-troops-killed-or-injured-ukraine-us-says-reports-2022-7
75,000 is disastrous for Russia. No wonder they can barely advance.
Why aren't the ukrops advancing then?
Why advance if you can just make angry twitter posts and russians immediately deploy 30 000 troops over a single bridge within artillery range
That is just beyond STUPID of the Russians. They keep moving forces into range of the goddamn HIMARS....over ONE BRIDGE.
Do the Vatniks have any idea how many Russians could get TRAPPED at Kherson?
It speaks either of confidence or of desperation. For the first time in this entire war, I'm willing to admit something may be a "gamechanger". If the Ukropiggies properly strangle Russian supply lines, maintain artillery range to the bridges and keep attriting the Russians, we'll see a goodwill gesture sooner or later.
It's unclear if the Ukrainians have the capability to do any of that severely enough and for long enough, so it's just as likely that Russia pushes them away from those chokepoints and secures their gains.
If I had to bet though, the Russians really are pulling all stops here. They simply can not afford another goodwill gesture. I wouldn't be surprised if top brass thinks massive losses in morale, equipment and manpower are completely fine, if there's the slightest chance of keeping Kherson.
Look. I know what you're trying to do here, but this is war, it's not a binary either-or situation. Russia has suffered such losses in equipment and manpower, that they are not thunder running on 6 different Axis in massive armored columns anymore. 75k is disastrous to the Russians in the sense that the SECOND MOST POWERFUL ARMY in the world, is forced to crawl through donbass against one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in Europe. Sure, they'll crawl forward and probably eek out some kind of """victory""", but the fact that Ukraine hasn't been fully occupied for at least 4 months should tell you just how much damage Russia took.
Arguably even in Russian held territories they're not controlling it by ay stretch of the imagination, just deporting people to Siberia where they proceed to harm Russia itself from inside lmao.
Now that I think about it, it's like importing ISIS into Europe.
Wouldn't be surprised there's not even more industrial sabotage, but then again they're not longer able to export gas LMAO.
I honesty think that was entirely sabotage and inability to fix the pipeline, and not "we decided to cut Germany off".
moronic play, honestly.
Every single Ukrainian brought into Russia is a potential deep-cover insurgent. All Ukrainians should be trained to attack the enemy inside its borders.
Exploit Vatnik stupidity.
Stop reddit spacing you fricking moron
ywnbaw + have a nice day
make
me
Victory fricking how? Russia has announced they want to overthrow the government, which again means FULL OCCUPATION of the country. This, when they''re struggling in the East and South.
Are the Russians fricking HIGH?
Importing 5th Columnists of Ukraine into Russia is just pure stupidity.
I agree, but one thing anon.
Go back to reddet homosexual. Sore thumb mile away.
Putin is just a pure dumbass. His instinct to Double-Down means he keeps over-promising to his simpleton followers. The dude just cannot admit when he fricks up.
>"I'm going to conquer all of Ukraine (again)!"
He's got the worst form of "cut your nose off to spite your face" I have ever seen.
He's not dumb though. Putin is probably the sanest, most moderate and smartest person in the Russian government. I WISH I was making this up. But look into the Duma, look into fricking Zhirikovsky, Medvedev, Rogozin (not Duma but still).
His way of waging politics makes absolute sense, considering that the west literally taught him that if he keeps escalating, the West will back down eventually.
>Russia has announced
That's your mistake right there. It's irrelevant what Russia is announcing or not, since it views such announcement just as an extension of war. I've been following and researching the Russian narrative since February, even have Russia 1 streaming on my TV now and then, and I can tell you this: The angrier, more grandiose and more ultimatum-esque the Russians are, the more afraid they are. It was absolutely hilarious watching Russian publications and government officials shortly before the Kharkiv withdrawal. Or before abandoning Snake Island.
To put it short, when Putin implicitly threatens nuclear war over intervention in Ukraine, it's not a show of strength, but a sign of just how worried and afraid he is. (Remember 2008 and 2015 when he personally said that Russia simply can not even hope to beat NATO).
And regarding victory: It's hilarious how much our expectations have shifted. Imagine someone in February told you, that Russia would occupy just 20% of Ukraine in 6 months and is barely able to advance anymore. Back then, anything that left Ukraine even remotely intact, sovereign, and somewhat militarised seemed like victory. But here we are. Expectations have shifted so far that any and all concessions would be seen as a "victory" for Russia. That's what I mean by that.
What should scare Russia is how fricking DETERMINED Ukraine is. When they say, "We want it all back", they fricking mean it. Ukraine has ENOUGH of Russia's shit.
Unfortunately for Putin, he isn't really fighting THE WEST. He's fighting Ukrainians, the first adversary crazier about "Muh Homeland" than he is.
With their pathetic logistics? No. And more those logistics are crippled, the better.
>He's fighting Ukrainians, the first adversary crazier about "Muh Homeland" than he is.
Interesting. How do the Ukrainians feel about serving a president who isn't Ukrainian, who's using the confusion caused by war to purge Ukrainian Nationalists and turn their country into a soulless economic zone open to homosexuals and Black folk?
Literally anything is better than Russian subjugation. I would happily live in a pod, eat ze bugs and own nothing, if the other choise was to live under R*ssian rule.
Ukrainians don't care about their corrupt politicians or president. This isn't about that. This is about telling Russia to frick off.
If Russians wanted Ukrainians to show them mercy; they shouldn't have bombed their homes, raped their women, destroyed their hospitals, stolen their residences, imported foreign squatters......
Russians are apparently very eager to DIE. Ukraine is merely granting their wish.
Ukranians don't have the mental capacity to think ahead. They are very much like Russians in that regard. Immediate subjugation by Russia is real and immediate while what you are talking about will take years to truly destroy them.
Ukrainians' ambition is simple: to become part of Actual Civilization.
I just want to Civilize some ukrainian qts. They will be all over American dick after this.
Well Ukrainians ARE going to want to do a lot of BREEDING after this war is done. Gotta outnumber those Vatnik scum.
They won't. 90% their females ran away and won't return.
no they didnt because otherwise all of the recently war torn countries should have a massive gender imbalance
I thought it was 90% of the military age males that ran away, get your storyline right vatnik.
Russian troops have no reason to fight. They're basically alcoholic slaves and don't care about what their rapist officers are telling them to do.
Ukraine, on the other hand, has the western world at their back, are fighting for their homeland, and are sick of russoid bullshit.
When you're surrounded by the carnage caused by your enemy, you have plenty of motivation to HATE them. The Ukrainians want to kill them all, and they DEMAND the means to do it.
We need to stop holding back and give them everything fricking thing they need. Battlefield trauma kits, logistical training, more artillery, more logistical vehicles, etc.
Russian occupiers must die. KILL all they send, and they'll stop coming.
With their vehicle losses Russia will never pose a substantial threat to any power at their current manufacturing. They've expended so much irreplaceable equipment that they just can't replace enmasse that it will take decades to get them back if ever.
even if it was true ... russia have a million army.. during such fighting, it is to be expected some die.
but the reality is this report includes ldpr,,, who posess no russian passport. how can it be russian loss?? They are a ukrane loss
A million man army which it CANNOT deploy because "Special Military Operation", lol. No full mobilization for you, Vatniks.
Ukraine, on the other hand, can commit it all to a REAL WAR.
>Killing Ethnic Russian traitors is now a loss to Ukraine
Jej
Loyal Ukrainian-Russians will replace all the traitors. This war has revealed who is loyal to Ukraine and who isn't.
Million army, 240-250k ground forces active personnel.
75k would be disastrous and would explain the frantic recruitment, the coercion, the big promises and the blatantly illegal actions (without war declaration, you cannot field conscripts and you cannot punish contract soldiers for refusing to fight, except through dismissal, but we've seen reports of both from Russian sources).
The question, then, would be why not declare actual war?
Putin bet it all on "Muh Special Military Operation". He can't back off now after 6 months of it.
If he says, "We need full mobilization", what do you think the Russian people are going to think? Putin has said to Russia they're winning. How do you think they'll react if suddenly they AREN'T?
Which is why the IDIOT Russians are preparing to forfeit their defender's advantage there and launch an OFFENSIVE. Yes, they're going to fricking attack the Ukrainians first....and get themselves all killed.
Is Russia actually capable of a mobilization like that?
>what do you think the Russian people are going to think?
They're not going to think anything.
The ones that could think are either in gulag, abroad or sufficiently intimated.
He has nothing to be afraid of until things go as bad as the 1990s again.
And even then, he can just blame the west and the peons will accept it.
So Putin is going to say what?
>"We're losing to THE WEST even though they've barely committed that much to helping Ukraine at all. Still winning people, trust the plan."
Seriously, any sane government would have cut its loses long ago. But not the Russians. Sunk Cost Fallacy at its worst.
No, he'll say "The entire HATO is atacking, it's the great patriotic war all over again! Everyone gets conscripted, but some of you (ethnic Russians familially connected to my regime, hi-tech specialists, factory workers) will remain in their current civilian employment." and they'll complain about it, but they won't do shit.
You have to remember that Putin's fifth column is going into overdrive right now and he's betting on the internal collapse of the NAFTA and the EU any day now.
>You have to remember that Putin's fifth column is going into overdrive right now and he's betting on the internal collapse of the NAFTA and the EU any day now.
even if it did, he'd still get curbstomped like he's been doing. It's honestly embarassing at this point with how hard he's been trashed.
Russians may say they want to fight to the death. Ukrainians will actually call that bluff and die for their country.
I definitely want to take some of the burden off the Ukrainians. Ship a TON of battlefield medicine to them. They'll be able to survive their wounds, while the Russians die from theirs.
>I definitely want to take some of the burden off the Ukrainians. Ship a TON of battlefield medicine to them. They'll be able to survive their wounds, while the Russians die from theirs.
from the information we have the majority of casualties and deaths in ukraine were from the civillian attacks early on. Ukraine held and pushed them back with no help or little help initially, and now with himars and support they've nearly crushed teh Russians, but somehow Russia has no casualties or deathsw....
I seriously don't understand how most of this thread thinks they're winning this war or have less casualties than Ukraine, what do you think this some sorta psyop gaslight thread?
>Ship a TON of battlefield medicine to them. They'll be able to survive their wounds, while the Russians die from theirs.
Fast evac to a treatment facility is the biggest thing that will save the life of deteriorating wounded.
This is the same reason why the KIA:WIA ratio is abysmal for both Ukraine and Russia. Not only is peer warfare much more lethal than COIN, neither side has competent evac. It doesn't help that their field care is also substandard.
>Those you can't save
>Those that will survive anyways
>Those that prompt care and evac will save
That's a bold move considering the last time the US was in a severe economic recession it RIP AND TEAR'd its way back to economic prosperity via massive wartime spending
Man, that is some awful syntax and grammar
ukrane admittance of losing 1000 a day put ukrane loss on 160k by now.. then you can include the meatshields ""civilians"" and nazi marauders for easy 20k maybe, and ldpr who are ukranian another 40k maybe.. they easily lost 220k lol
Now count the women and young girls who defected after finding russian love as the btg train railed their holes for 6 months))
Holy shit is Russia really going to lose more men than the US did in Vietnam?
We have real combat footage of a single Ukrainian soldier battling a bunch of Russians.
Twist: the soldier is actually Russian
>using IFAKs with FRICKING BLACK MOLD growing on them
to perform an abnormally high number of battlefield amputations
sauce?
>Even 20k sounds exxagerated for half a year
Your head stuck on Iraqi counterinsurgency mode? Or are you a dumb vatBlack person?
Oryx counted at least 5,000 vehicles or artillery pieces destroyed. And that is certainly not ALL of the Russian casualty list. More like anywhere from 2/3rd to half. Most of those have crews of at least 3 (tanks), some less (Su-25), some a lot more (Moskva). And this doesn't count foot infantry.
Assuming a ratio of 4:1 KIA+WIA per vehicle, that is at least 20,000, maybe 30,000 casualties. From CREWS alone. And as we have seen from the webms, many soldiers are bombed in trenches or blown up in buildings, not just blasted in their vehicles.
40,000 is a very reasonable number, and probably a conservative estimate.
Let's be fair though many of those vehicles recorded by oryx were left by their crews before bring captured or destroyed.
Russia if you count out women and old people, they still have enough population that's double what ukraine is doing. Frankly I'm disgusted by the Europeans and the Russians. In the US we'd support a state like Ukraine as if they were one of us. Europeans are basically sociopaths trying to create a new world order. They're the same order as Russia except you do a backwards crucifix when you pray and then prey on all these people for taxes afterward. Europeans are silly backwards people. They claim to have high IQ's and the best of everything in the world, and they turn on one another and try to fight over it. Their globohomo's that sell out their own for the benefit of others so a small minority can retain privileges. The average person there has always been persecuted for different reasons. A union in the United States only shows how these people do that. Their failure to create a larger union is basically driven by people that are not of the people. It's doomed to fail. We really should not have been so exemplary to give the world standards that they need to lie, cheat, and steal to uphold. So the US is probably to blame for these people not having better standards and claiming they do. A child of a person of influence picking fights and saying they belong to this or that and everyone has to agree. Europe is a sad strange child that was considered old.
Oh frick the Europeans. They pledged a frickton of help that NEVER came. "Muh precious Russian gasoline!". Just go GREEN, you idiots. You're supposed to be all about the environment but you're still using RUSSIAN GASOLINE?
Seriously, SWEDEN didn't even send a couple of Gripens to Ukraine in the very beginning. They could have bought so much goodwill with Ukraine there, they never would have wanted for arm deals with them again.
ANY European state could have sent fighter planes but DIDN'T for like forever.
To be fair I doubt anyone expected Urkraine to still be around after 2 weeks.
I know. I still remember the whole "Kyiv will fall in 72 hours" thing, which I'm shocked did not become a meme.
Look at this. The article dismisses any real chance of Ukraine lasting long.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-invasion-scenarios/31614428.html
>"It depends on what you mean by 'withstand,'" said Tor Bukkvoll, a senior researcher at the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment, a government-funded think tank, when asked how long Ukrainian forces could hold out against a Russian invasion. "If you mean repel, then probably very little or not at all. If you mean continue to fight as an organized force, then probably days or weeks (I am guessing here)."
"While it is unclear whether Russia will send conventional forces into Ukraine in the near term, the United States and its European allies and partners need to take Moscow’s actions seriously. Russian military forces—including elements of the 41st Combined Field Army and 144th Guards Motorized Rifle Division (see Figure 4)—would likely outmatch Ukrainian conventional forces and overrun Kiev in a matter of hours if they invaded. Additionally, the United States and other European states are unlikely to engage Russia directly over Ukraine."
https://www.csis.org/analysis/moscows-continuing-ukrainian-buildup
lmao, what a fricking joke. All these bullshti numbers and vatniks lygin in this thread, but it's clear as day Ruskies got trashed, there's no way they're not hit harder than ukraine.
True, almost every analyst was certain that Ukraine would fall quickly as Russian numbers on paper seemed overwhelming. Turns out, making judgments only based on official stats is really stupid (China vs Taiwan hmm?)
Still it shows what trash Russian army is if they can barely take a small town in eastern Donbas after months of heavy fighting, they are basically even in a conventional war with Ukraine. It still blows my mind, Ukraine ffs, not NATO or even Sweden. And yet their shills still haver the audacity to celebrate that Russia is winning the war because they make 10 km per month progress. Fighting Ukraine lmao
well yeah, Russia is not losing, yet, but its barely an acomplishment.
there is one better
an automated article that went on russian state media on the 26th of february already claiming victory
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html
This whole thing really exposed Russia. They're North Korea tier, big talk and decades creating a tough guy image only to show that their entire society and military is rotting to the core.
An old soul just really makes financial agreements in Europe and then hides it in a tax haven
What was he thinking at this very moment?
Never should have come here
COIN wars have spoiled your expectations. In a near-peer war between competent nations with precision weapons it's expected to lose 50k in the first month. Granted precision weapons are rarer here, but so is competence.
I expect both sides have lost over well over 70k by now.
Ukrainians are far more competent than Russians. Nobody runs rings around the 2nd strongest military in the world for 6 months if they're inept idiots.
We can drop the weapons into Ukrainian hands, but if they weren't fighters, they would have run away like the Afghan National Army.
We've just spent WAY too much arming proxies in the Middle East, we've truly forgotten what a motivated ally force looks like.
They're fighters, but they're not exactly highly skilled, or at least they weren't at the beginning. Every foreign fighter who has rotated through reports that.
They have will, and a modicum of skill, which sets them above the Russians, but they're average tier at most.
>Nobody runs rings around the 2nd strongest military in the world for 6 months if they're inept idiots.
What if... the Russians haven't been #2 possibly since the fall of the USSR?
Russo-Japanese War casualties when?
Who knows? Even the numbers the MoD gives Putin will most likely get played down in order to keep their jobs/life insurance payouts of killed soldiers.
I truly think no one person or even group of people really knows an accurate count.
40k dead or ass raped? If it's the latter then probably they had that many before the invasion even began
40k russian casualties is not too bad. 20k casualties is a lot less than what the ukrainians have taken. If you think about it, 10k casualties to capture half of ukraine is worth it for russia. Those 5k casualties are mostly from the donbabwe militias anyway.
even 100k causalties for russia is nothing. as in - literally no one gives a shit about their soldiers
It does cost everything investing in their conscription, training, sustainment and weaponry no matter what. Specialty troops don't appear by magic either. It takes years to train technicians and mechanics.
100k casualties would be almost double what the soviets took in afghanistan over 10 years, a war that pretty much destroyed the soviet union
the russian federation would collapse
It wasn't the casualties that did the damage. It's widespread knowledge of the casualties. When the people at the front finally get rotated out en masse and go home, that's when the noose is gonna tighten around the government. Putin's either gonna want to call it a win before that, or triple down and mobilize
ban evasion
Could you tell me the story behind those pictures amd the people who post them and why they're banned but keep coming back?
That sounds about right for deaths. Casuakties are likely higher.
Otherwise, Russia wouldn't be suffering from manpower issues rn.
This isn't a low intensity conflict
Pretty realistic.
Russia started with 200K invasion force attacking across entire Ukraine border. Then they were repulsed everywhere and their activity is reduced to the single area with size of picrealted. What does this tell us? Yes this invasion force was pretty much destroyed. You don't kick enemy army out from your country by hand-waving and "booo, go away!". You do it by killing enemy. And to render 200K force combat ineffective 40K KIA is appropriate number.
My personal guess is 25+k KIA for Russians and 10-15k KIA for Donbabwean traitors. So that 40k number could roughly add up if count everybody.
As for Ukriane I guess 20-25 KIA.
You underestimate the value that human life has in mordor
Rusnigs are stalled on on the defensive on all fronts except Bahmut-Avdiivka. What does that tell you? Because to me this means they took massive casualties and can't support advances on multiple axis anymore.
There's also evidence that rusnigs went fricking wild with forced conscription in banana republics. That's a ruski Mir for you.
https://wartranslated.com/so-called-dpr-citizen-keeps-a-blog-about-the-horrors-of-mobilisation-in-the-republic/
Tell me K, are the any donbabweans and luwandans left?
Not for long. Avdiivka pill boxes won't clog with bodies by themselves.
Is this the total since 2014?
No, ukr mod estimates 42k KIA on Russian side since February. The don't say if they mean only actual rus soldiers or rus + Wagner + banana republics
It's probably higher but until the soldiers are taken from civilized areas and not the asian part of Russia the manpower could as well be unlimited
Sadly this. Churka lives have practically net negative value for russia. They basically do domestic pest control with this war. Getting rid of the part of society with a predisposition for violence that could cause trouble.
>How realistic is the 40k Russian casualties figure?
Probably a low figure