Most the national forests in Oregon I can get by in with my 2001 Honda accord. Is it all just marketing to need 4x4? Seems like you may only hit deep mud or wet grass less than 5 times while owning the car/truck
How often do you use 4lo while?
Most the national forests in Oregon I can get by in with my 2001 Honda accord. Is it all just marketing to need 4x4? Seems like you may only hit deep mud or wet grass less than 5 times while owning the car/truck
>drives easy tracks
>doesnt need to use 4low
who would have thought.
>Seems like you may only hit deep mud or wet grass less than 5 times while owning the car/truck
You aren't putting yourself through challenging tracks.
use doesnt equal need.
i got a jeep mj lifted and on 35"s with front and rear lockers in my garage.
it doesnt see as much action as my landrover freelander transverse engine fwd based awd traction control aided no low range suv. why not? well its just not needed. pic related is a trail i wouldnt have driven before i got the jeep, now that i have one and know how it works its just a walk in the park to do it with the LR.
I hate people who roll on 35s with dual lockers. You quite literally destroy tracks and dig massive ruts which result in pictures like mine here
huh? thats the reason why i buildt and keep such rig, to enable me to air down and stealth camp leaving no tracks at all. and thats what i do with it, if i cant do it with the suv instead because it gets much better mpg even with a roof top tent.
no, you are thinking about nissan patrol drivers.
Yeah fair. I've been stuck so many times now because of ruts dug out by guys running 40+'s and dual lockers. Makes me understand why some people here want to completely ban 4x4s from national parks.
here is the thing, i higly doubt these guys had lockers in the first place and if they did they wouldnt ruin the trail.
thats why i mentioned nissan patrol, if you are from anywhere outside usa you will know and recognise it as a capable 4x4, one of the most popular. it is however nearly impossible to regear for larger tires and retrofit lockers on, so if you see a patrol on the trail its 99% shure to be a guy running highway geared and unlocked 40" tires relying on clutch dumping for every obstacle.
I'm in aus. It isn't normal to regear a transmission here. People just slap on bigger tires and leave everything else the same.
im from norway, i regeared to 4,88 once i put 35" on my jeep. thats a substantial increase in rpm at highwayspeed even with larger tires. with standard size tires its laughable to drive and nothing but a burnout machine.
Of course it isn't normal to regear, you have to hand over a child and get an anal probe to run more than 50mm or so of lift there, right? Couple that with more diesel options and there are fewer people who need to regear anyways
2 inch lift is pretty standard and that's the legal limit allowed.
>I NEED 4wd
Oh no! What is this!
>t. lives in Pennslyvania and drives a graded gravel road to the state park once a month and thinks he's Grizzly Adams
many such cases
4lo is for getting out of the snowbank
I don't have a brodozer, just some suspension upgrades on stock height mud tires (32"). Rear locker gets used about a dozen times a year. 50/50 mix of loose steep scree and getting unstuck in deep snow with traction aids. Not wheeling for no purpose, just back country travel. But I also have land with no actual roads, accessed by easements with no roads, so that's a factor.
Main use of 4-low is speed control downhill and on obstacles. It gives more wheel spin if you gas it, not "more traction". Most people generally don't know what the fuck they're doing, obviously.
Hondafag here. I turn on VTM-4 Lock whenever crossing running water or loose sand.
Soo the verdict is literally only 2 people with shit bigger than 35s need 4lo?
I have two trucks.
On my Colorado (3.5 I5, 5 speed stick, 3.73 differential ratio, 29 inch tires)
I use 4 low so my truck can hold my boat on engine compression at the boat ramp, because my parking brake has been non-functional for a few years and I can't be assed to fix it. That's probably 30 times a year. I also use 4 low to haul fencing supplies around my pasture, because then I can idle in first at about walking pace and climb over the bumps, clumps, rocks, and stumps with 800 lbs of posts in the bed without bouncing it all over hell. That's a couple weekends each spring and each fall. I use 4 low when driving through deep snow so I can keep engine speed up in the RPM range where my throttle control to torque output is the most responsive and precise.
On my K5 (6.2L atmospheric V8 diesel, 4 speed manual, 4.10 differential ratio, 38 inch tires)
I use 4 low when skidding logs or pulling things out of the mud (10 times a year to 10 times a weekend, depending on the weather), I use 4 low when climbing rock ledges or very steep inclines, and I use 4 low when in sand or mud. I've been thinking about putting a doubler on and twinsticking (well, triple with the doubler), because this engine might sip fuel, but it's got fuck all for power. Might swap the diesel for a Big Block gasser instead. Doubler would be cheaper though.
I don't get people who think that big tires tear up trails bad. Overinflated tires tear up trails and people who spin tires tear up trails (UTVs, especially, do both of these things profligately with tires that would fit in the wheel wells of a Nissan Hardbody). Larger tires let you air down even softer and let you reduce how much you spin your wheels to accomplish a given task.
im one of thoose shits who "need" 4lo, and let me explain why
>lol i can drive 99% of what you do in 2high
true, you probably can. but since you cant drive the last 1% you actually cant drive it at all. its like going to the moon and back but the austronauts dies at reentry to earth. thats a poor selling point.
>just floor it/spin it/hit it
also true, but you risk ruining both the track and your car. with 4lo you see a rock potentially large enough to ruin your day so you use it and make it into a nothingburger going dead slow over it.
>deep sand and snow
forget it you aint going nowhere, but you can drive up to it, turn around and come up to the same spot from the other side and claim you did 99% of it and that refers to my first point.
>*snows in your path*
I think I've used it once or twice.
Used it for one very steep climb on shady loose skree.
Think I might have used it once, maybe twice in snow as well.
>less than 5 times
Yeah, getting stuck PrepHole in but fuck nowhere four times would not be fun.
You use low all the time because high box is very powerfull and will pull you up things like a rampaging bull and smash a lot of shit up on really rough terrain. 4 low is chill and controlled with high revs.
You’re not PrepHole when you’re /in/ a car.
ive never had to use it for mud, just for serious rock crawling. depends where you are 4x4ing. on slickrock in utah deserts yea ive used 4lo lots. on forest service roads in the mountains, not so much
Honestly never. Use 4wd a lot though on snow and ice and occasionally off roading but I don't really do much of that.
very often. Loose sand, gravel, rock all need slow speed.
Also great for idling along behind cattle. High range is a bit too fast for the girls. And like that other guy said. Idling along with fence posts while I walk beside and unload.
Still only makes up .2% of driving, wish there was a way to use it more, Maybe getting into hunting or mining?