Maybe those were the best screws for these particular places on the craft?
It's a big tell for lack of talent or even care from their design engineers and maintainers.
If this were a picture of a western jet people would (rightfully) be throwing ridicule their way. As it is with a Russian jet, it is almost expected. Make of that what you will
metaphysical screws vs dialectical screws
you dont understand
read democracy in america
the generalized screw may be convenient, but it is not optimal for the jet
>How often do you change a canopy anyway?
Meh. Western commercial jet planes have the same thing. Not sure how often commercial lines change out windscreens although apparently they do do it and have put too short of screws in from time to time causing some accidents.
>They recommended that staff with prescription glasses should be required to wear them when undertaking maintenance tasks.
I hope the retard was fired goddammit.
>Meh. Western commercial jet planes have the same thing.
as a person familiar with commercial jet maintenance checks under EASA and FAA certification i seriously doubt that statement. Not saying it never happened, but these days every part is traced and documented from its origin. If some offshore maintenenance facility is found to have been using the wrong fasteners, it could have some serious repercussions from retracting certifications for that shop too mass groundings of airplanes.
>Western commercial jet planes have the same thing. Not sure how often commercial lines change out windscreens although apparently they do do it and have put too short of screws in from time to time causing some accidents.
Have you even watched the video? The incident happened 1990 with an BAC One-Eleven - most planes of that type were retired many years ago.
Newer western planes don't fasten the windscreen with screws from the outside. Instead it is mounted into the cockpit frame from the inside so the over-pressure inside the plane pushes it even more into place.
Technically yes if the screw is in perfect condition and you use the exact right driver, which is also in perfect condition. In the real modern world we use hex or torx screws in applications where torque matters though.
The supersonic bomber was returning from a routine training mission in the early afternoon and attempted to land at Olenegorsk Air Base near Murmansk in Russia. The aircraft made a 7.13g landing while the structural limit for the bomber is 4g. Local weather conditions at the air base during landing were reported as being very poor with a cloud base of 90 meters, temperature of -10°C, snow and mist.
During impact with the runway, the aircraft broke into two pieces and immediately burst into flames. Unfortunately, three of the four crew members did not survive the crash. Two pilots died during the crash, a third crew member (navigator) died as he was being transported to a hospital.
Well in theory it makes sense. If you eject downward it doesnt compress your spine, you're ejected towards the flat bottom on the aircraft so no risk of striking the tail, and you're almost certainly flying when you do it so it should be safe.
It doesn't. They ejected upwards, didn't have enough altitude to parachute down safely.
Well in theory it makes sense. If you eject downward it doesnt compress your spine, you're ejected towards the flat bottom on the aircraft so no risk of striking the tail, and you're almost certainly flying when you do it so it should be safe.
No, it really wouldn't make any sense.
>no spinal compression
You risk injuries of similar severity regardless the direction of the ejection's acceleration. >no tail strikes
Far higher risk of your parachute hitting debris from the malfunctioning plane. >should be safe when in the air
And most importantly you risk splatting into the ground because your parachute didn't have enough altitude to slow down your descent velocity to something survivable. Exactly what happened in this accident. Most ejections happen at relatively low altitude while the aircraft is rapidly losing altitude. The upwards trajectory of ejection is an additional safety margin for the parachuting. Downwards trajectory would make a bad altitude situation far worse instead of mitigating it.
Plus, where the fuck are you going to put the ejection seat hardware and how are you going to support the pilot? The only technically feasible ejection seat directions are up and forward, and only one of those doesn't intersect with the aircraft's trajectory.
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>The only technically feasible ejection seat directions are up and forward
Nuh uh, J-20s eject pilots backwards. They also travel through the engine so the pilots are pre-warmed for high altitudes.
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Do bugs make for good aviation fuel?
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Not really, but sometimes the J-20 engine asks for a sacrifice. Who are we to deny the machine spirit?
Looks like they wanted to land as early and tough as possibly because of the snow and limited runway. What’s the tactical advantage of not clearing your landing strips for even the most expensive strategic bombers in your fleet?
were the pilots total retards? or just average russians
why were they coming down so fast? that's at least 100 knots too fast
why are the wings still giving so much lift? were the flaps not configured for landing?
why did the airframe break like that? just material fatigue of unmaintained soviet shitcan?
Keep in mind that it was built ages ago in a country that doesn't even exist anymore.
I'm still leaning towards accumulated material fatigue + lack of maintenance. Western aviation, be it civilian or military, would have deemed the plane not airworthy before an accident like that could happen.
>old slavshit >"maintained" by russians >ground crews need crowdfunding to function >flown by pilots with a fraction of the annual flight hours of Western pilots >so desperate for bodies in seats they've been inviting back pilots fired for incompetence and airframe losses
It's as shrimple as that
They ran out of the original screws at the airbase. Nobody knew where they came from so they sent Ivan with 200000 rubbles (2dollars) to the store to but whatever looked like it would fit. He bought one pack of 5 different screws so hopefully one of them would fit and spent the last of the money on a bottle of vodka.
Maybe I’m missing something but to me there is something very unsettling about seeing fucking Phillips and flat heads on a jet aircraft of all things. >also mfw I see one that looks stripped as fuck
Flat heads are in some western aircraft skin panels as well, they aren't just slots though they are sorta semi-circular, you turn them with a pizza cutter looking tool. I don't remember seeing a mix of philips and slot though
You're thinking of dzuz fasteners.
They look kinda like slotted screws from the outside but are captive and spring-loaded. They function like a bayonet fitting and are intended for quick and frequent access.
>If only you knew how bad things really are.
Imagine giving someone who doesn't even know what a Philips is a screw driver and telling them to screw in a panel. Some maintenance doesn't even get done because the screws on the access panel look like rivets.
What?
Those numbers are normal if you compare against similar aircraft.
>Tu-134 >Number built 854 >76 hull-losses >1387 fatalities
>DC-9 >Number built 976 >156 hull-losses >3697 fatalities
Other early jet airliners from the 60s had slightly better safety records in terms of hulls lost out of hulls built, but they had smaller production runs and were withdrawn from service earlier. Both Tu-134 and DC-9 are still in use.
>one of the flathead screws has markings that are consistent with someone trying to tighten/loosen it with a phillips head
R U S S I A N A V I A T I O N
I hate russians too but that is a type of screw. I can't remember the name but around me it's common to use on electrical panels to stop someone from having the right bit and being able to open it up.
>This whole thread
Wew, these are the Russhit creations that slavshit peddlers claim to be better than Western planes? Why would someone in their right mind shill for this self-exploding trash?
I don't think anyone ever claimed slavshit aircraft are better.
Even if you look at what the Su-57 Femboy shills are doing, they're mostly just demanding to be taken seriously. Even claiming to be equal with western counterparts would be too much, and they know it.
>it's this guy again
i remember some of your previous spergouts, shame i didn't get to this one fast enough, i always like to laugh at you for being a retard.
This is some Twitter tier thread.
Looks pretty obvious the Philips were used on edge of panels for alignment using a drill then flatheads used possibly sandwiching the canopy. You guys ever seen western aircraft construction?!
I hate phillips screws so god damn much. >screw and tools manufactures get cheap and make flat head unusable on anything other then light switch's >everyone switches to phillips for everything >manufactures get even fucking cheaper >75% any random phillips screw can and will be stripped by screwdrivers
IKEA furniture grade hex heads are now higher quality then like almost any phillips. It's fucked and I hate it.
>IKEA furniture grade
Is that supposed to be a mark of low quality?
Hex heads just work and given the design, slippage is nigh impossible even with low quality heads and tools.
Philips heads just suck regardless of quality.
Because Phillips is designed to cam out, which just means it gets stripped. Fucking useless fucking fastener and I wish it would get dumpstered for something sensible.
it is deliberately done like that so it is harder to copy, it is called "multipolar stealth"
It's weird, but not a disaster, it's only one when you put shorter screws in it. How often do you change a canopy anyway?
It's a big tell for lack of talent or even care from their design engineers and maintainers.
If this were a picture of a western jet people would (rightfully) be throwing ridicule their way. As it is with a Russian jet, it is almost expected. Make of that what you will
metaphysical screws vs dialectical screws
you dont understand
read democracy in america
the generalized screw may be convenient, but it is not optimal for the jet
>How often do you change a canopy anyway?
Meh. Western commercial jet planes have the same thing. Not sure how often commercial lines change out windscreens although apparently they do do it and have put too short of screws in from time to time causing some accidents.
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>They recommended that staff with prescription glasses should be required to wear them when undertaking maintenance tasks.
I hope the retard was fired goddammit.
>Meh. Western commercial jet planes have the same thing.
as a person familiar with commercial jet maintenance checks under EASA and FAA certification i seriously doubt that statement. Not saying it never happened, but these days every part is traced and documented from its origin. If some offshore maintenenance facility is found to have been using the wrong fasteners, it could have some serious repercussions from retracting certifications for that shop too mass groundings of airplanes.
>Western commercial jet planes have the same thing. Not sure how often commercial lines change out windscreens although apparently they do do it and have put too short of screws in from time to time causing some accidents.
Have you even watched the video? The incident happened 1990 with an BAC One-Eleven - most planes of that type were retired many years ago.
Newer western planes don't fasten the windscreen with screws from the outside. Instead it is mounted into the cockpit frame from the inside so the over-pressure inside the plane pushes it even more into place.
Maybe those were the best screws for these particular places on the craft?
>russian jets are secured by philips-head screws from home depot
The real crime is the use of slotted screws
>you americans can't even maintain a 4th gen fighter jets with the lada roadside repair tool kit
aren't slotted screws superior to philips in terms of torque.
I remember watching an autistic 1 hour youtube rant on screw types
Lol no, not in real world conditions.
Phillips (actual Phillips) aren't great for torque either, but they're much better than slotted.
phillips are meant to cam out at a certain torque literally worthless for anything besides mass production
Technically yes if the screw is in perfect condition and you use the exact right driver, which is also in perfect condition. In the real modern world we use hex or torx screws in applications where torque matters though.
Torx my beloved. I fucking hate Allen heads with a passion.
It's time for you to actually do something with your hands other than to just jerk off at home Anon.
>At least Russian jets can fly and do their jo-ACK!
Lel 😀 how can a country have a tradition of FAILURE so strong?
Russians were not meant to fly or swim judging by history
I hope he was ok.
>front fell off
Is that typical?
in russia? chance in a million!
Well what happened here?
Well obviously the front fell off.
ah no no
definitely not
That actually looks like the crew could have possibly survived. Any details?
>any details
Unfortunately for the crew in this case their Russian nationality was terminal.
Survived the impact but burned to death
The supersonic bomber was returning from a routine training mission in the early afternoon and attempted to land at Olenegorsk Air Base near Murmansk in Russia. The aircraft made a 7.13g landing while the structural limit for the bomber is 4g. Local weather conditions at the air base during landing were reported as being very poor with a cloud base of 90 meters, temperature of -10°C, snow and mist.
During impact with the runway, the aircraft broke into two pieces and immediately burst into flames. Unfortunately, three of the four crew members did not survive the crash. Two pilots died during the crash, a third crew member (navigator) died as he was being transported to a hospital.
>Unfortunately, one of the four crew members did survived the crash.
FTFY
Three crew members died.
at least they didn't choose to eject
>ejects down through the floor
why?
Well in theory it makes sense. If you eject downward it doesnt compress your spine, you're ejected towards the flat bottom on the aircraft so no risk of striking the tail, and you're almost certainly flying when you do it so it should be safe.
It doesn't. They ejected upwards, didn't have enough altitude to parachute down safely.
No, it really wouldn't make any sense.
>no spinal compression
You risk injuries of similar severity regardless the direction of the ejection's acceleration.
>no tail strikes
Far higher risk of your parachute hitting debris from the malfunctioning plane.
>should be safe when in the air
And most importantly you risk splatting into the ground because your parachute didn't have enough altitude to slow down your descent velocity to something survivable. Exactly what happened in this accident. Most ejections happen at relatively low altitude while the aircraft is rapidly losing altitude. The upwards trajectory of ejection is an additional safety margin for the parachuting. Downwards trajectory would make a bad altitude situation far worse instead of mitigating it.
Plus, where the fuck are you going to put the ejection seat hardware and how are you going to support the pilot? The only technically feasible ejection seat directions are up and forward, and only one of those doesn't intersect with the aircraft's trajectory.
>The only technically feasible ejection seat directions are up and forward
Nuh uh, J-20s eject pilots backwards. They also travel through the engine so the pilots are pre-warmed for high altitudes.
Do bugs make for good aviation fuel?
Not really, but sometimes the J-20 engine asks for a sacrifice. Who are we to deny the machine spirit?
it's for when you don't think your ejection seats will clear the tail when it's moving at terminal velocity
Our comrades bravely intercepted the fire with their bodies.
Looks like they wanted to land as early and tough as possibly because of the snow and limited runway. What’s the tactical advantage of not clearing your landing strips for even the most expensive strategic bombers in your fleet?
>plane just snaps in half and goes ass over teakettle
Am I watching an old cartoon?
The old cartoons had to be inspired by something..
>neck comes to a halt
"H-HEY WE MADE IT!"
>rest of the airplane lands on top of them
>Comes in hot as fuck and pancakes the landing
>Dies
were the pilots total retards? or just average russians
why were they coming down so fast? that's at least 100 knots too fast
why are the wings still giving so much lift? were the flaps not configured for landing?
why did the airframe break like that? just material fatigue of unmaintained soviet shitcan?
>why did the airframe break like that? just material fatigue of unmaintained soviet shitcan?
it's badly welded stainless steel
Keep in mind that it was built ages ago in a country that doesn't even exist anymore.
I'm still leaning towards accumulated material fatigue + lack of maintenance. Western aviation, be it civilian or military, would have deemed the plane not airworthy before an accident like that could happen.
why has this happened so many times actually, and ONLY in russia?
>old slavshit
>"maintained" by russians
>ground crews need crowdfunding to function
>flown by pilots with a fraction of the annual flight hours of Western pilots
>so desperate for bodies in seats they've been inviting back pilots fired for incompetence and airframe losses
It's as shrimple as that
This photo should win an award of some kind.
Like a pulitzer, but for the most comical fuckup captured on film.
One of the best pictures of the war so far
>How many types of screws can you count on this Russian jet?
That depends, but usually you should count the pilot because he's screwed
A screw is a screw nafotranny
>superior VVS heteroscrews
>vs
>inferior HAFO homoscrews
>The only hetero screws in the RuAF are the ones holding the planes together.
They ran out of the original screws at the airbase. Nobody knew where they came from so they sent Ivan with 200000 rubbles (2dollars) to the store to but whatever looked like it would fit. He bought one pack of 5 different screws so hopefully one of them would fit and spent the last of the money on a bottle of vodka.
Please understand, Russia is a poor country and must rely on what it can scrounge from its neighbors
Maybe I’m missing something but to me there is something very unsettling about seeing fucking Phillips and flat heads on a jet aircraft of all things.
>also mfw I see one that looks stripped as fuck
lmfao
Flat heads are in some western aircraft skin panels as well, they aren't just slots though they are sorta semi-circular, you turn them with a pizza cutter looking tool. I don't remember seeing a mix of philips and slot though
You're thinking of dzuz fasteners.
They look kinda like slotted screws from the outside but are captive and spring-loaded. They function like a bayonet fitting and are intended for quick and frequent access.
>If only you knew how bad things really are.
Imagine giving someone who doesn't even know what a Philips is a screw driver and telling them to screw in a panel. Some maintenance doesn't even get done because the screws on the access panel look like rivets.
Very smart. If one type of screw fails, there's still seven other types yet to fail and the mission can continue with the canopy in place.
If anyone can make wemb of this, pls. Little known incident with plane stuffed with high ranking military, because everyone survived, miraculously.
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>trying to find the accident in the vid
“ The Tupolev Tu-134 has been involved in 76 hull-loss accidents for a total of 1387 fatalities.”
What the fuck
>the accident in the vid
It's the 2006 one at Gvardeyskoye in Crimea.
What?
Those numbers are normal if you compare against similar aircraft.
>Tu-134
>Number built 854
>76 hull-losses
>1387 fatalities
>DC-9
>Number built 976
>156 hull-losses
>3697 fatalities
Other early jet airliners from the 60s had slightly better safety records in terms of hulls lost out of hulls built, but they had smaller production runs and were withdrawn from service earlier. Both Tu-134 and DC-9 are still in use.
Like a turkey vulture trying to fly away from a car after gorging itself on roadkill
self tappers?
Probably. And a few sheet rock screws as well.
>one of the flathead screws has markings that are consistent with someone trying to tighten/loosen it with a phillips head
R U S S I A N A V I A T I O N
dis won?
yeah lol
I hate russians too but that is a type of screw. I can't remember the name but around me it's common to use on electrical panels to stop someone from having the right bit and being able to open it up.
theyre called security screws ive never seen a slotted on before probably bc all youd need to do is cut a slot in your driver to mess with them
>common to use on electrical panels
uhhhh...
Voltage indicator light, real space age tech
is fine comrade nothing to see here
The forbidden gummy
Is of simple comrade, light bulb can break. If making ground point into warning light is never can break!
>bolt redhot from current
This madlad goes several steps further
please stop shilling this retard
why?
retards are funny
you are funny too
I found his retardation endearing and the fireworks pretty
picrel was the OG high voltage madlad, everyone since has been a pale imitation.
What type of fasteners _should_ you use in fighter jet? Rivets?
First step would be using the intended type instead of a mishmash of whatever random shit happened to be around
Torx screw.
https://camcar.com/2021/04/11/aereospace-initiatives/
>plane doesnt want to fly
>or shit flaps are up!
>tries flaps switch but by mistake retracts gear instead
>career is over
>This whole thread
Wew, these are the Russhit creations that slavshit peddlers claim to be better than Western planes? Why would someone in their right mind shill for this self-exploding trash?
I don't think anyone ever claimed slavshit aircraft are better.
Even if you look at what the Su-57 Femboy shills are doing, they're mostly just demanding to be taken seriously. Even claiming to be equal with western counterparts would be too much, and they know it.
>F-16 Falcon 76:1
Still haven't counted the one shot down by Indian Air Force MiG-21 I see chart needs updating.
When the NATO pilot can say whatever screwhead it is, it is already over for him
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See, the Su-57 Femboy shills can't even take themselves seriously.
I didn’t delete it, jannies did
The most important part of my post was
>F-22
>lmao no HMD
>lmao no R-37 analogue
>it's this guy again
i remember some of your previous spergouts, shame i didn't get to this one fast enough, i always like to laugh at you for being a retard.
Oh wait, you're serious?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is some Twitter tier thread.
Looks pretty obvious the Philips were used on edge of panels for alignment using a drill then flatheads used possibly sandwiching the canopy. You guys ever seen western aircraft construction?!
Thought k was smarter then this this
Lookin' good.
I hate phillips screws so god damn much.
>screw and tools manufactures get cheap and make flat head unusable on anything other then light switch's
>everyone switches to phillips for everything
>manufactures get even fucking cheaper
>75% any random phillips screw can and will be stripped by screwdrivers
IKEA furniture grade hex heads are now higher quality then like almost any phillips. It's fucked and I hate it.
What is putin's problem, why is he mad
no banan
The banan is on the other side of the iron curtain
Oh that's good.
He needs to shit and Katerina is redoing her hair for the third time this morning.
>IKEA furniture grade
Is that supposed to be a mark of low quality?
Hex heads just work and given the design, slippage is nigh impossible even with low quality heads and tools.
Philips heads just suck regardless of quality.
all of them
Its to idiot proof tightening them; each level of torque has a different wrench so you can't fuck it up.
Russia has a great track record of inventing better idiots...
Lets not forget this happened because a "idiot-proofed" component was forcefully installed upside down, basically hammered in.
Why do they use them, just to suffer?
Why bother making anything other then slotted screws when you can funnel all that money you save right into a personal bank account?
Maybe it's like this suicide helmet, designed to end suffering rather than prolong it
What's this?
Nevermind, googled it and read your post.
I was never aware philips heads were supposedly superior to slotted. Working on old guns, philips heads strip and slotted don’t.
Because Phillips is designed to cam out, which just means it gets stripped. Fucking useless fucking fastener and I wish it would get dumpstered for something sensible.
>slotted head
the hell is going on
2 (which is less than 16 on F22)