It looks that way, is the cockpit suppose to be that grimy looking too?
It looks like it's been derelict for at least a year.
Might be tarp. But the canopy appears to be opened which feels like a bad omen given the state of the fuselage.
Is there moss growing on that plane?
Shouldn't this be a precision instrument of warfare?
[...]
ruska plane is self cleaning just go fast all moss clean off in air
Jeez guys, you wouldn't test risky advanced new chickenwire mobile hanger on your newest aircraft would you!? What if it collapses and crushes the plane? It is only logical to deploy it on a slightly used plane for the first five years. Will be ready for front line deployment in Ukraine 3day SMO by 2028.
Honestly it's an unwinnable game. They can't test the methods on shit equipment because at that point it'd be a waste of a bomb to actually blow it up.
>How long has the plane been parked in the open?
Wrong question. The right question would be if it has ever seen the inside of a hangar.
To which the answer is "probably not."
How do you even manufacture that and not think about putting sheet metal on/around it?
Not like it would help and would probably just turn the structure itself into shrapnel, but still.
Im starting to think this all effort is to create 5D decoys.
Hohols will think nobody sane would try to protect broken rustbuckets with such measures and will target them wasting resources.
Meanwhile real airframes are elsewhere
What I'm wondering is why they took the time to build that around what appears to be a parts donor that might not even be towable.
At the start of the war Ukraine's boneyards soaked up a lot of missiles that might have otherwise been sent to harder, actually functioning targets.
Oh, and the anti-drone netting doesn't cover the sides or rear.
>Not like it would help
For what it's worth even sheet metal could help in terms of simply making it harder to see where planes are exactly. Sheet metal is cheap as shit, planes cost tens of millions, they could have lots of "hangers" for every one with a plane in it and even rotate the planes around on cloudy days and if nothing else it'd require many times the number of drones, more intel efforts, or something. Also even sheet metal would mean needing a somewhat bigger or more complicated drone vs something that can directly contact the aircraft, purely by creating distance. It's all a numbers game.
Or they could just build real hangers. But let's be honest all of this is too much for a society that hasn't even researched the "pallet" part of the tech tree yet. They haven't even invested in any Wonders or the like to make up for it, they're just completely behind, weirdest build ever.
It's only a matter of time until someone posts classified information about one of them on the Warthunder forum. It will change the whole meta of the game!
Yes, but the advantage of hangars is that they actually protect the aircraft.
And instead of building a few semi mobile contraptions you could just build real hangars at all your airbases.
Imagine that.
Read my post again, carefully.
The purpose isn't to protect the aircraft. The aircraft does not matter. All that matters is that something is "attempted" and a good friend or family member is enriched in the process.
A more ornate graft would be more difficult to pull apart and ignore once it is proven to be a scam.
>The Chickenwire Hanger costs around 10,000,000 Russian Rubles.
Ignoring the fact that this works out to $102,301.79. with that sort of money in Russia, you could rent an entire city block in Moscow for at least a year or two.
The convertion rate on online calc are all broken and don't reflect the the "real valye." Unless you think the Ruble is currently stronger than it has literally ever been (by far).
think that anon might have meant the street value of the ruble vs. the "official" figures you'll find from finance publishers?
when you're dealing with a project denominated in a single-ply monopoly money, you have to do a shitty hood-math optimisation problem that goes something like:
1. purchasing power parity multiplier
2. local cost of BOM
3. local cost of bribes
4a. actual (black market) exchange rate of local currency, or
4b. local broker's fee to avoid the headache and use the make-believe exchange rate – generally either a flat rate or a % on the tx up to MAX_GIBS
5. cost of local fixers and bringing outsiders in to unfuck overruns, supply constraints, etc.
in a country like russia at a time like this, 4 can be far more crippling than it would otherwise be.
>with that sort of money in Russia, you could rent an entire city block in Moscow for at least a year or two.
Not when Officers are stealing half of it
if it werent for hostile planes, anti-air and other shit would it be possible for a late WW2 prop plane to hunt down shaheeds like V-1's of old? Like in a spitfire mk24 or a bf 109 k4
Yeah most Shahed shootdowns seem to happen well inside Ukrainian airspace.
The lower speed, need for pilots/maintenance crew/avgas, etc. just make it unfeasible. Imagine trying to tard wrangle people who couldn't make it through their air force academy in a congested air space.
>ten million rubles
Holy corruption, not even Italian politicians are that shameless.
>The Chickenwire Hanger costs around 10,000,000 Russian Rubles.
Ignoring the fact that this works out to $102,301.79. with that sort of money in Russia, you could rent an entire city block in Moscow for at least a year or two.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Moscow
i haven't commented on the 10M RUB quote because i know fuckall about airfield construction costs. if anyone knows what an MVP hangar for one or a handful of fighter jets should cost pls mention this itt.
a couple minutes of poking around suggests that basic bitch hangars – ones without any particular fire or blast rating – are priced roughly the same as other clearspan structures, with a small hangar being doable for 100k USD in a g7 economy.
that being said, i *have* worked on prefab stuff of interest to governments and there are always random bullshit pricing phenomena once you introduce the big dot gov.
>some babushkas throw 5 bucks molotov cocktails at railroad relay cabinets >Russians spent billions of roubles trying to improve relay cabinets so you can't just burn them down
>cardboard drones fly into several Russian aircrafts >Russians will now spent 10 million roubles per plane to defend them(there's no proof those nets will defend against such drones)
lmao, what next can be done to force Russia to bleed billions of roubles?
in 2023, half of all infectious disease deaths in russia are from HIV. half of all HIV-diagnosed patients[1] receive retroviral treatment. retroviral treatment is the only non-palliative treatment.
refuse international travel to all russians on public health grounds, until rigourous treatment regimes are in place. abroad, being a baseline russian without labs should be seen as comparable to being unvaxxed for malaria in the tropics, or being a gambian pouched rat. the russian state would collapse overnight.
[1]: https://archive.is/KFqCL
begin actual economic warfare. go after their other high-value, low-skill exports: coal, aluminum, copper, nickel, fertilizers.
expel the russian federation from the kimberley process. they are in clear violation of membership requirements. watch the tinyhats go into total meltdown and half the world's strongman shithole autocracies collapse within a couple years.
push for a multilateral declaration that russia's gold reserves are not conflict-free and taint the entire transaction tree stemming from the future use of these reserves in international markets.
teach BOAK and others how to trigger runaway chain detonations of methane in the siberian traps. these once caused mass extinctions and are now capable of punching strangely perfect cookie-cutter shaped sinkholes in the ground large enough to pose flight risks to low-flying aircraft.
slice ziggers with a katana. trap ziggers in quicksand. crush ziggers in the trash compactor.
introduce emerging variants of sarscov2 that western biotech and healthcare are perfectly capable of handling but russia is not. bonus for doing this aggressively enough to cause a sino-soviet split 2.0.
saturate air defences in both the far east (vladivostok) and imperial core (moscow-petersburg) with absolute bullshit balloons and aerostats of all kinds. once they've laterally transferred GBADs across the continent to compensate, start doing it on the other side again.
>nice trips
This is the same problem stemming from the Soviet Union. The fucking autistic desire to adhere to specifications/standards. Everything in Soviet times had to adhere to state approved standards or else it could not be used. Ignoring the rampant corruption, the true believers religiously clung to their "standards" and ended up completely stifling any actual innovation in that God forsaken country.
what the hell is the standard here? i don't get it. suggesting that the final product reflects a preexisting mil spec, or is angling to serve as the most bare-bones compliance for one to be created?
This looks like some kind of austere protection that can be built on improvised airstrips or in a hurry when an AFB has a sudden surge of planes that need cover.
Although, covering it with cloth or plastic is not that expensive or hard, right? I mean, if you want to protect it from drones you are basically allowing anyone with a camera to tell whether that airplane is going through repairs, is priority target or what ordnance is mounted on it so you can tell beforehand what kind of mission is preparing.
I think they use not flightworthy airkraft for this mesh hangar and for tires because they are going to use them as technology demonstrators and for live ammo tests to check which measure protects better. They don't believe anymore in theoretical calculation and promises because too many of them happened to be false.
PrepHole is just meming, right? Russian planes that get hit by Ukrainian drones just aren't in hangars because they're being used hard and are always in read positions
There's no way that across all the thousands of airfields in Russia, currently all of the planes stationed there DON'T have hangars
>There's no way that across all the thousands of airfields in Russia, currently all of the planes stationed there DON'T have hangars
This is correct. The issue is the airfields near the frontlines which are far from the capital or major urban areas of the country.
So they're 80% retarded (not building hangars even though they were building up forces for an invasion), not 100% retarded (not knowing about hangars at all)
That seems more in line with Russia, always more retarded than you think they could possibly be, but still up to the standards of 70 years ago at least
I mean, I can't prove it and no one really nows for sure, but the obvious cause is corruption. You're a commander in charge on maintain and upgrading an airfield in a distant part of the country. No one of any importance ever comes there and those that would report back can be bribed. So, do you spend your budget on hangers or shiny cars and a new house?
>So they're 80% retarded (not building hangars even though they were building up forces for an invasion)
Why is that a problem? Why would Russians need to worry about airfields being hit when their enemy has outdated aircraft, no long range missiles and a smaller, weaker army that has no chance of winning?
Building a bunch of expensive hangers for a fight that will be over in 3 days, a week at most, total lunacy.
>for a fight
There will be no fight. The Ukranians will welcome them as liberators and lay down their arms, they wouldn't dream of shedding the blood of a brother!
>outdated aircraft, no long range missiles and a smaller, weaker army
It's hard to think like that right now, but Putin actually had Ukraine's best interests at heart >3 day SMO to make Ukraine rejoin Russia
Result: Ukraine resists so hard that all pro-Russian sentiment is gone forever and they literally have a modern day creation legend based around kicking out Russia >3 day SMO to denazify Ukraine
Result: Azov are celebrated as heroes, even western media goes "well they might be nazis but they're doing a good thing" >3 day SMO to demilitarize Ukraine
Result: Ukraine inundated with western equipment, capabilities improve thousandfold >3 day SMO to annex the """separatist""" republics
Result: Ukraine will march into the republics and finally fully retake them rather than having to fight Russian-sponsored "rebels" for years >3 day SMO to stop NATO expansion
Result: NATO expanded, every single western country becoming pro-NATO again instead of thinking the alliance wasn't needed anymore. Ukraine probably joining NATO
It's even funnier when you remember that they paid quite a bit of money to their intelligence services to scope out the situation and plan accordingly but they all figured a war would never happen so they mostly pocketed the money and told higher ups "yes comrades the ukies will greet us as liberators and throw flowers at the feet of our soldiers as they casually stroll into the capital unopposed"
>There's no way that across all <Russia stupid thing is possible or happening>
Since the start of the war I have seen a tenfold increase in this type of statement.
Anons, I've seen so many threads about Russia leaving their planes completely exposed to the elements, but I've never seen a satisfactory reason as to why they do this. As incompetent and corrupt as they are, putting a just a simple door, three walls and roof down isn't hard or expensive. I'm not talking about an air-conditioned hanger with a Starbucks and McDonalds in it, like the Americans have. Just a simple hanger to protect it from the weather, spy satellites and drones. Even 'cheap' planes are so expensive that they warrant some protection other than just being abandoned to the open air.
So does anyone even have an idea as to why the Russians never build to the most basic hangers to shield their planes?
Pretty sure part of the issue is that the service even don't give enough of a damn. >disgruntled conscript >gets aid a pittance >might even have to get money from parents to buy food >commanders are shitheads
So they just check some files and say the equipment is okay instead of going outside into the cold and bothering with finding out shits gucked aaabd getting punished for it.
Maybe even strip shit for wiring and stuff to sell of and spend the day with some vodka.
>>gets aid a pittance
I remember that interview with one captured veh deh veh soldier who said he had to spend all his money on food. What the fuck
While training in the army that is, before the war even started
I do wonder if he was a conscript or even signed a contract to get more money and still was this screwed.
Generally pay seems to be a huge issue: >Yekaterina, from Ivanovo, some 300 kilometers northeast of Moscow, told North.Realities, a regional news outlet of RFE/RL's Russian Service, that her husband, Aleksandr, was mobilized on October 21 but hasn’t received any pay for the last two months.
>Yelizaveta from the Vologda Oblast told North.Realities that her husband, Kirill, 25, saw his pay drastically cut recently, allegedly to punish him for returning late to his regiment after a visit home to see his newborn daughter. >“He was paid 6,000 rubles ($75) for February; the rest was cut. >“Previously, they paid 220,000 rubles a month, then less and less. For January, it was 195,000,” she said.
>Yulia, from Ust-Ilimsk in Irkutsk, in Russia’s Siberia region, says her husband signed a contract to fight in Ukraine but has only been paid less than one-quarter of what he was promised. >“Only a salary of 30,000 rubles ($380) has been paid,”
It would make sense from a retarded dictatorial perspective to underpay your soldiers to keep them dependent on you, but that also kind of assumes you actually provide food etc. for free instead of them having to starve
>Generally pay seems to be a huge issue
well yeah, if Russia actually pays contract money and for all the dead they'd be out of money already. For example, Mediazona found 31k known dead Russians soldiers and calculated that number should be at least 47k, that would mean Russia would have to pay up 282 billion roubles to families of the dead, NOT counting how much they'd have to pay soldiers as per contract for their service, only for death
It's part of the Soviet legacy. The Soviet Union didn't built hangars because they outproduced the rate of planes lost by environmental factors. They had a lot of planes and so instead of building lots and lots of hangars for them they just parked them in the open and because it would be replaced before it was to broken because of that.
Russia didn't want to decrease its forces because that would have been weakness in their eyes. So the planes rotted away and weren't being replaced. Additionally if there was money for hangars it was embellished.
It's the same story with their nuclear submarine fleet - instead of reducing them in a sensible manner and concentrating on few but very capable boats they let them rot away until the West paid for the dismantlement of the reactors and we got some great happenings like the Kursk sinking.
links are the fundamental advance of the web, my man. you want me to reupload the same trash meme about russians not using hangars, when i can just link it? why
>whole thing collapses under the weight of the tires
Well, you see, comrade, technically the plane wasn't destroyed by hohols and that is all that counts, right?
wouldn't the plane still get showered in shrapnel if the drone lands in the net? not as bad as the plane catching the missile but still not optimal compared to just covering it with concrete.
Maybe it's just a camera/lighting thing, but the glass looks so tarnished or discolored that it looks like you couldn't see through it clear enough to fly it. Why? Why is it orange?
Mesoamericans did not employ the wheel even though they knew what a wheel and axle could do.
So inventing something and getting functional use out of it might never happen.
I'd like to remind everyone ITT that every airbase that's meant to handle F-35s has been getting sun shades. This is a byproduct of a real problem with the F-35's design, namely that it doesn't get enough cooling for all its systems. One of the primary goals of the engine replacement program is to actually solve this issue. Tangent aside, stringing up some sheet metal between those posts isn't fucking alien technology you absolute vodkamorons. Shelters just like this have been erected by the hundreds, if not thousands over the past couple years.
>This is a byproduct of a real problem with the F-35's design, namely that it doesn't get enough cooling for all its systems. One of the primary goals of the engine replacement program is to actually solve this issue
Link it
>some random youtuber just claims it without even an attempt to suggest why he should be considered a reliable source or where he "learned" this from >you just blindly eat it up
Seriously, what is wrong with you?
good link. the merge guy comes recommended from multiple no-bullshit fighter pilot youtuber/zine/podcaster types and it's immediately clear from the timecodes where the part you're talking about is.
kinda funny that countries are willing to spend tens of millions on jet fighters, but not 20-100k for some basic bitch corrugated steel hangars to protect them from both weather and from satelite recon. Would make preprogrammed long range drone usage harder since you cant just check some public satelite photos for the locations of the planes
Since this image is from a Ukrainian account I wonder what it’s actually showing — perhaps a Ukrainian company’s solution to drone attacks on aircraft?
I keep think Russia has completely jumped the shark and can't possibly do anything more ridiculous.
Are those algae?
How long has the plane been parked in the open?
It looks that way, is the cockpit suppose to be that grimy looking too?
It looks like it's been derelict for at least a year.
Might be tarp. But the canopy appears to be opened which feels like a bad omen given the state of the fuselage.
Exposure rotted instruments may be difficult to use and read, but pristine instruments are impossible to use if the canopy rusts shut.
Is smekalka.
Canopys are cheaper than avionics right?
Sweet jesus the US boneyards have planes that are in better conditions than this.
The US at least understands that if you're going to half ass mothballing, you better do it in an environment that lends itself to it.
Jeez guys, you wouldn't test risky advanced new chickenwire mobile hanger on your newest aircraft would you!? What if it collapses and crushes the plane? It is only logical to deploy it on a slightly used plane for the first five years. Will be ready for front line deployment in Ukraine 3day SMO by 2028.
Honestly it's an unwinnable game. They can't test the methods on shit equipment because at that point it'd be a waste of a bomb to actually blow it up.
>How long has the plane been parked in the open?
Wrong question. The right question would be if it has ever seen the inside of a hangar.
To which the answer is "probably not."
I was more wondering how long it hasn't been flown.
How do you even manufacture that and not think about putting sheet metal on/around it?
Not like it would help and would probably just turn the structure itself into shrapnel, but still.
Not their job. They did what they were asked to. Welcome to Russia.
Im starting to think this all effort is to create 5D decoys.
Hohols will think nobody sane would try to protect broken rustbuckets with such measures and will target them wasting resources.
Meanwhile real airframes are elsewhere
What I'm wondering is why they took the time to build that around what appears to be a parts donor that might not even be towable.
At the start of the war Ukraine's boneyards soaked up a lot of missiles that might have otherwise been sent to harder, actually functioning targets.
Oh, and the anti-drone netting doesn't cover the sides or rear.
Someone probably got alot of money for building that
>Not like it would help
For what it's worth even sheet metal could help in terms of simply making it harder to see where planes are exactly. Sheet metal is cheap as shit, planes cost tens of millions, they could have lots of "hangers" for every one with a plane in it and even rotate the planes around on cloudy days and if nothing else it'd require many times the number of drones, more intel efforts, or something. Also even sheet metal would mean needing a somewhat bigger or more complicated drone vs something that can directly contact the aircraft, purely by creating distance. It's all a numbers game.
Or they could just build real hangers. But let's be honest all of this is too much for a society that hasn't even researched the "pallet" part of the tech tree yet. They haven't even invested in any Wonders or the like to make up for it, they're just completely behind, weirdest build ever.
hey that's illegal!
you're sharing classified tech!
It's only a matter of time until someone posts classified information about one of them on the Warthunder forum. It will change the whole meta of the game!
Fuck euro pallets, 4 way entry gang for life.
They're evolving.
is that the infamous F-35 killer?
the mesh?
Chicken wire can be pretty vicious if you're not careful with it.
The wire isn't meant to keep you out, it's meant to keep the chickens in!
>Cowardly HATO would not dare to kill innocent chickens we keep nect our aircraft!
>Checkmate HATO
the pristine 6th gen beast that housed inside
Makes you think
"This is mobile" says the rando from Twatter about a structure bolted into the ground at multiple points.
It's easier to tear down than even a fabric aircraft shelter once you need to sweep things up and pretend nothing happened.
Yes, but the advantage of hangars is that they actually protect the aircraft.
And instead of building a few semi mobile contraptions you could just build real hangars at all your airbases.
Imagine that.
Read my post again, carefully.
The purpose isn't to protect the aircraft. The aircraft does not matter. All that matters is that something is "attempted" and a good friend or family member is enriched in the process.
A more ornate graft would be more difficult to pull apart and ignore once it is proven to be a scam.
>time
Surely there was plenty of time before this war for Russia/Soviet Union to spam hangars using their most beloved material - concrete.
The Soviet Union had a lot of hardened aircraft shelters. But those were in the republics closer to the border such as Ukraine.
Wire mesh protects sensitive aircraft against shrapnel how exactly?
just get a suicide drone and fly it through the front straight into the cockpit lmao
That show was so good.
Nothing has changed.
>Just shove people into the problem as all your tech is built on lies.
explanation from fighterbomber.
ctrl + f: alcoholism hiv sauce source
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/13931
>The Chickenwire Hanger costs around 10,000,000 Russian Rubles.
Ignoring the fact that this works out to $102,301.79. with that sort of money in Russia, you could rent an entire city block in Moscow for at least a year or two.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Moscow
With Russian prices, you always have to remember that while cost of living seems pretty low, their salaries are absolute SHIT
The convertion rate on online calc are all broken and don't reflect the the "real valye." Unless you think the Ruble is currently stronger than it has literally ever been (by far).
>Unless you think the Ruble is currently stronger than it has literally ever been (by far)
By what comparison?
The Ruble is making African currencies look competitive.
>1 month
think that anon might have meant the street value of the ruble vs. the "official" figures you'll find from finance publishers?
when you're dealing with a project denominated in a single-ply monopoly money, you have to do a shitty hood-math optimisation problem that goes something like:
1. purchasing power parity multiplier
2. local cost of BOM
3. local cost of bribes
4a. actual (black market) exchange rate of local currency, or
4b. local broker's fee to avoid the headache and use the make-believe exchange rate – generally either a flat rate or a % on the tx up to MAX_GIBS
5. cost of local fixers and bringing outsiders in to unfuck overruns, supply constraints, etc.
in a country like russia at a time like this, 4 can be far more crippling than it would otherwise be.
>with that sort of money in Russia, you could rent an entire city block in Moscow for at least a year or two.
Not when Officers are stealing half of it
>ten million rubles
Holy corruption, not even Italian politicians are that shameless.
I could take $10k to homedepot and build a better hanger. For a 100k, you could get picrel
>tfw will never live on a prefab hangar-home and make a living as a humble mercenary pilot hunting down Shaheds over Ukraine
if it werent for hostile planes, anti-air and other shit would it be possible for a late WW2 prop plane to hunt down shaheeds like V-1's of old? Like in a spitfire mk24 or a bf 109 k4
Yeah most Shahed shootdowns seem to happen well inside Ukrainian airspace.
The lower speed, need for pilots/maintenance crew/avgas, etc. just make it unfeasible. Imagine trying to tard wrangle people who couldn't make it through their air force academy in a congested air space.
>would it be possible for a late WW2 prop plane to hunt down shaheeds like V-1's of old?
Yes, Ukraine wanted A-29s to do just that
i haven't commented on the 10M RUB quote because i know fuckall about airfield construction costs. if anyone knows what an MVP hangar for one or a handful of fighter jets should cost pls mention this itt.
a couple minutes of poking around suggests that basic bitch hangars – ones without any particular fire or blast rating – are priced roughly the same as other clearspan structures, with a small hangar being doable for 100k USD in a g7 economy.
that being said, i *have* worked on prefab stuff of interest to governments and there are always random bullshit pricing phenomena once you introduce the big dot gov.
https://centralbuild.com.au/central-articles/cost-to-build-a-hangar
https://shelter-structures.com/solutions/army-public-sector
https://shelterstructuresamerica.com/products
>some babushkas throw 5 bucks molotov cocktails at railroad relay cabinets
>Russians spent billions of roubles trying to improve relay cabinets so you can't just burn them down
>cardboard drones fly into several Russian aircrafts
>Russians will now spent 10 million roubles per plane to defend them(there's no proof those nets will defend against such drones)
lmao, what next can be done to force Russia to bleed billions of roubles?
in 2023, half of all infectious disease deaths in russia are from HIV. half of all HIV-diagnosed patients[1] receive retroviral treatment. retroviral treatment is the only non-palliative treatment.
refuse international travel to all russians on public health grounds, until rigourous treatment regimes are in place. abroad, being a baseline russian without labs should be seen as comparable to being unvaxxed for malaria in the tropics, or being a gambian pouched rat. the russian state would collapse overnight.
[1]: https://archive.is/KFqCL
begin actual economic warfare. go after their other high-value, low-skill exports: coal, aluminum, copper, nickel, fertilizers.
expel the russian federation from the kimberley process. they are in clear violation of membership requirements. watch the tinyhats go into total meltdown and half the world's strongman shithole autocracies collapse within a couple years.
push for a multilateral declaration that russia's gold reserves are not conflict-free and taint the entire transaction tree stemming from the future use of these reserves in international markets.
teach BOAK and others how to trigger runaway chain detonations of methane in the siberian traps. these once caused mass extinctions and are now capable of punching strangely perfect cookie-cutter shaped sinkholes in the ground large enough to pose flight risks to low-flying aircraft.
slice ziggers with a katana. trap ziggers in quicksand. crush ziggers in the trash compactor.
introduce emerging variants of sarscov2 that western biotech and healthcare are perfectly capable of handling but russia is not. bonus for doing this aggressively enough to cause a sino-soviet split 2.0.
saturate air defences in both the far east (vladivostok) and imperial core (moscow-petersburg) with absolute bullshit balloons and aerostats of all kinds. once they've laterally transferred GBADs across the continent to compensate, start doing it on the other side again.
many such cases.
>nice trips
This is the same problem stemming from the Soviet Union. The fucking autistic desire to adhere to specifications/standards. Everything in Soviet times had to adhere to state approved standards or else it could not be used. Ignoring the rampant corruption, the true believers religiously clung to their "standards" and ended up completely stifling any actual innovation in that God forsaken country.
what the hell is the standard here? i don't get it. suggesting that the final product reflects a preexisting mil spec, or is angling to serve as the most bare-bones compliance for one to be created?
>drone misses
>plane gets shrapneled anyway
Oops.
>Hangars are immobile
So are kilometer long runways. Is this gay implying that russia is launching planes from air bases improvised on grass fields?
Worked for Po-2 in the Great Patriotic War.
that clothesline modern art installation is more mobile than that plane, so not sure what ziggers meant by this
This looks like some kind of austere protection that can be built on improvised airstrips or in a hurry when an AFB has a sudden surge of planes that need cover.
Although, covering it with cloth or plastic is not that expensive or hard, right? I mean, if you want to protect it from drones you are basically allowing anyone with a camera to tell whether that airplane is going through repairs, is priority target or what ordnance is mounted on it so you can tell beforehand what kind of mission is preparing.
At least some kind of shelter would make it harder for satellites to detect if they've been moved.
can it hold camo netting aloft ?
need mk2 version with wheels from shopping carts
I think they use not flightworthy airkraft for this mesh hangar and for tires because they are going to use them as technology demonstrators and for live ammo tests to check which measure protects better. They don't believe anymore in theoretical calculation and promises because too many of them happened to be false.
They do it because they're a fucking mafia state filled with alcoholic serfs. The money to do it right went into cars, hookers, dachas, and yachts.
>the chicken wire is at a perfect distance to have shrapnel from the suicide drone warhead hit every part of the plane
brilliant
How long until we see cope nets with kontakt-1/car tires?
>How long before russians invent hangars?
Concrete is needed elsewhere, please understand.
>Elsewhere
Yes. Putin's McMansions.
PrepHole is just meming, right? Russian planes that get hit by Ukrainian drones just aren't in hangars because they're being used hard and are always in read positions
There's no way that across all the thousands of airfields in Russia, currently all of the planes stationed there DON'T have hangars
>There's no way that across all the thousands of airfields in Russia, currently all of the planes stationed there DON'T have hangars
This is correct. The issue is the airfields near the frontlines which are far from the capital or major urban areas of the country.
So they're 80% retarded (not building hangars even though they were building up forces for an invasion), not 100% retarded (not knowing about hangars at all)
That seems more in line with Russia, always more retarded than you think they could possibly be, but still up to the standards of 70 years ago at least
I mean, I can't prove it and no one really nows for sure, but the obvious cause is corruption. You're a commander in charge on maintain and upgrading an airfield in a distant part of the country. No one of any importance ever comes there and those that would report back can be bribed. So, do you spend your budget on hangers or shiny cars and a new house?
>So they're 80% retarded (not building hangars even though they were building up forces for an invasion)
Why is that a problem? Why would Russians need to worry about airfields being hit when their enemy has outdated aircraft, no long range missiles and a smaller, weaker army that has no chance of winning?
Building a bunch of expensive hangers for a fight that will be over in 3 days, a week at most, total lunacy.
>for a fight
There will be no fight. The Ukranians will welcome them as liberators and lay down their arms, they wouldn't dream of shedding the blood of a brother!
>outdated aircraft, no long range missiles and a smaller, weaker army
It's hard to think like that right now, but Putin actually had Ukraine's best interests at heart
>3 day SMO to make Ukraine rejoin Russia
Result: Ukraine resists so hard that all pro-Russian sentiment is gone forever and they literally have a modern day creation legend based around kicking out Russia
>3 day SMO to denazify Ukraine
Result: Azov are celebrated as heroes, even western media goes "well they might be nazis but they're doing a good thing"
>3 day SMO to demilitarize Ukraine
Result: Ukraine inundated with western equipment, capabilities improve thousandfold
>3 day SMO to annex the """separatist""" republics
Result: Ukraine will march into the republics and finally fully retake them rather than having to fight Russian-sponsored "rebels" for years
>3 day SMO to stop NATO expansion
Result: NATO expanded, every single western country becoming pro-NATO again instead of thinking the alliance wasn't needed anymore. Ukraine probably joining NATO
It was all 6D pro-Ukrainian chess
Never let it be said MKULTRA was a failure
It's even funnier when you remember that they paid quite a bit of money to their intelligence services to scope out the situation and plan accordingly but they all figured a war would never happen so they mostly pocketed the money and told higher ups "yes comrades the ukies will greet us as liberators and throw flowers at the feet of our soldiers as they casually stroll into the capital unopposed"
>There's no way that across all the thousands of airfields in Russia, currently all of the planes stationed there DON'T have hangars
>There's no way that across all <Russia stupid thing is possible or happening>
Since the start of the war I have seen a tenfold increase in this type of statement.
Yes, yes it is possible.
Anons, I've seen so many threads about Russia leaving their planes completely exposed to the elements, but I've never seen a satisfactory reason as to why they do this. As incompetent and corrupt as they are, putting a just a simple door, three walls and roof down isn't hard or expensive. I'm not talking about an air-conditioned hanger with a Starbucks and McDonalds in it, like the Americans have. Just a simple hanger to protect it from the weather, spy satellites and drones. Even 'cheap' planes are so expensive that they warrant some protection other than just being abandoned to the open air.
So does anyone even have an idea as to why the Russians never build to the most basic hangers to shield their planes?
They do some places
>what is Buran
> A knockoff piece of shit
>what is buran
ummmmmm....thats not a good example you know
it's a perfect example of what happens to things stored in Russian hangers
Pretty sure part of the issue is that the service even don't give enough of a damn.
>disgruntled conscript
>gets aid a pittance
>might even have to get money from parents to buy food
>commanders are shitheads
So they just check some files and say the equipment is okay instead of going outside into the cold and bothering with finding out shits gucked aaabd getting punished for it.
Maybe even strip shit for wiring and stuff to sell of and spend the day with some vodka.
>>gets aid a pittance
I remember that interview with one captured veh deh veh soldier who said he had to spend all his money on food. What the fuck
While training in the army that is, before the war even started
I do wonder if he was a conscript or even signed a contract to get more money and still was this screwed.
Generally pay seems to be a huge issue:
>Yekaterina, from Ivanovo, some 300 kilometers northeast of Moscow, told North.Realities, a regional news outlet of RFE/RL's Russian Service, that her husband, Aleksandr, was mobilized on October 21 but hasn’t received any pay for the last two months.
>Yelizaveta from the Vologda Oblast told North.Realities that her husband, Kirill, 25, saw his pay drastically cut recently, allegedly to punish him for returning late to his regiment after a visit home to see his newborn daughter.
>“He was paid 6,000 rubles ($75) for February; the rest was cut.
>“Previously, they paid 220,000 rubles a month, then less and less. For January, it was 195,000,” she said.
>Yulia, from Ust-Ilimsk in Irkutsk, in Russia’s Siberia region, says her husband signed a contract to fight in Ukraine but has only been paid less than one-quarter of what he was promised.
>“Only a salary of 30,000 rubles ($380) has been paid,”
It would make sense from a retarded dictatorial perspective to underpay your soldiers to keep them dependent on you, but that also kind of assumes you actually provide food etc. for free instead of them having to starve
>Generally pay seems to be a huge issue
well yeah, if Russia actually pays contract money and for all the dead they'd be out of money already. For example, Mediazona found 31k known dead Russians soldiers and calculated that number should be at least 47k, that would mean Russia would have to pay up 282 billion roubles to families of the dead, NOT counting how much they'd have to pay soldiers as per contract for their service, only for death
It's part of the Soviet legacy. The Soviet Union didn't built hangars because they outproduced the rate of planes lost by environmental factors. They had a lot of planes and so instead of building lots and lots of hangars for them they just parked them in the open and because it would be replaced before it was to broken because of that.
Russia didn't want to decrease its forces because that would have been weakness in their eyes. So the planes rotted away and weren't being replaced. Additionally if there was money for hangars it was embellished.
It's the same story with their nuclear submarine fleet - instead of reducing them in a sensible manner and concentrating on few but very capable boats they let them rot away until the West paid for the dismantlement of the reactors and we got some great happenings like the Kursk sinking.
>Day ivelostcount of the special two day military operation
>You get to pilot the mold plane
>more on that later.
I thought noone knew who Ross Scott was hello freemans mind fren
The fucking state of that plane. I don't think the ukies need to bomb that one. It's got fucking moss growing on it. It's clearly been abandoned.
ruska plane is self cleaning just go fast all moss clean off in air
Why won't they build an actual hangar at this point?
Is there moss growing on that plane?
Shouldn't this be a precision instrument of warfare?
>How long before russians invent hangars?
the norks are about to give this technology to them
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59453443/#q59454079
Okay seriously what is it with the autistic moron who keeps linking or screenshooting his own posts?
links are the fundamental advance of the web, my man. you want me to reupload the same trash meme about russians not using hangars, when i can just link it? why
Just wait until they pute tires ontop of the wire hangars
Then we're cooking with gas
>whole thing collapses under the weight of the tires
Well, you see, comrade, technically the plane wasn't destroyed by hohols and that is all that counts, right?
wouldn't the plane still get showered in shrapnel if the drone lands in the net? not as bad as the plane catching the missile but still not optimal compared to just covering it with concrete.
Is it really that important to pretend you aren't at war?
Maybe it's just a camera/lighting thing, but the glass looks so tarnished or discolored that it looks like you couldn't see through it clear enough to fly it. Why? Why is it orange?
Mesoamericans did not employ the wheel even though they knew what a wheel and axle could do.
So inventing something and getting functional use out of it might never happen.
That looks like Mickey Mouse in a hurry!
I'd like to remind everyone ITT that every airbase that's meant to handle F-35s has been getting sun shades. This is a byproduct of a real problem with the F-35's design, namely that it doesn't get enough cooling for all its systems. One of the primary goals of the engine replacement program is to actually solve this issue. Tangent aside, stringing up some sheet metal between those posts isn't fucking alien technology you absolute vodkamorons. Shelters just like this have been erected by the hundreds, if not thousands over the past couple years.
>This is a byproduct of a real problem with the F-35's design, namely that it doesn't get enough cooling for all its systems. One of the primary goals of the engine replacement program is to actually solve this issue
Link it
learned it from this
>1 hour of some random youtuber
>not even a timestamp
nah
there's timestamps of topics in the description
>some random youtuber just claims it without even an attempt to suggest why he should be considered a reliable source or where he "learned" this from
>you just blindly eat it up
Seriously, what is wrong with you?
tongue my anus Blackid
good link. the merge guy comes recommended from multiple no-bullshit fighter pilot youtuber/zine/podcaster types and it's immediately clear from the timecodes where the part you're talking about is.
Sun also degrades/ breaks down the LO coating. Flying in the sun can't be helped, but parking in the sun is just stupid.
kinda funny that countries are willing to spend tens of millions on jet fighters, but not 20-100k for some basic bitch corrugated steel hangars to protect them from both weather and from satelite recon. Would make preprogrammed long range drone usage harder since you cant just check some public satelite photos for the locations of the planes
Since this image is from a Ukrainian account I wonder what it’s actually showing — perhaps a Ukrainian company’s solution to drone attacks on aircraft?
Your reading comprehension is not the best, could that be?
It’s not from a Ukrainian account?
Someone predicted this in last week's thread about the amazon prime raid on the kursk airbase
>cope shelters
> cope cages for airplanes
This can't possibly be fucking real
>Ivan we need hangers.
>Hanger for clothes? Da.
>No, BIG hangers
>Big hangers, for big clothes. Got it comrade.
It's called hangar you stupid shit, your joke doesn't work