I keep seeing all these videos of soldiers taking close to direct hits from shells, well within the presumed killzone, and then the majority of them just getting up and dusting themselves off as if those shells were filled with cotton candy. Only the guys that were caught smack dab in the center seem to be dead. How seriously injured are the guys walking away? I know part of the explanation is adrenaline and shrapnel being random, but these videos give an impression that artillery is more survivable than I used to think.
Pic related is a little after 0:40
https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1699845835117277345#m
What you're missing is the time associated with the lethality. The ground zero blast is instantly lethal, the 15ft away is still lethal but you have time to process how dead you are. A lot of people who get up and walk away from a shrapnel blast collapse and die 200ft later unless someone is there to perform triage.
yeah, shrapnel is insidious because you can take a dime sized bit of it to the lower back and slice a renal artery or it'll get lodged in your intestine, etc. You could well run a mile in some circumstances not knowing you're working a lethal hole in something. Or you get back to the car with the adrenaline pumping and die 10 miles down the road.
Adrenaline
Are the soldiers in question wearing any body armor? If they are, that's probably your explanation.
>taking close to direct hits from shells
that's not 155, 152, 122 or 105mm shell, it looks more like 40mm one, if it was anything above they'd all be instantly dead, this way they likely have SOME shrapnel in their legs, now their survival depends on their medics
there's no body armor at backside of legs
>these videos give an impression that artillery is more survivable than I used to think
Anon what would you say if you saw a 2h extension of those videos where they are bleeding out in a trench somewhere with a fellow convict repeatedly telling them it's all gonna be vsyo poryadke after their monthly crate of a couple bandages arrives tomorrow?
>if you saw a 2h extension of those videos
I really do wish we had those. I should've mentioned I still think it's a FALSE impression that the clips given, but I was starting to wonder exactly how mortally wounded those guys are in general.
>How lethal is shrapnel
webm worth 100k words
>literally an inch from blinding his eye
lucky motherfucker
He was wearing sunglasses
>literally an inch from blinding his eye
Now you know why cool guys don't look at explosions.
So he'd get beamed in the back of his dome by the shrapnel
all the airbags went off as well.
so much for an inexpensive day blowing things up
seems like no amount of "one in a GORILLION moments" videos of ricochets and shrapnel will convince people that debris scattering isn't a purely stochastic process where everything flies off in all directions, at roughly even odds.
>airbags
holy shit
Fuuggg how did I not notice the airbag before, this vid isn't new.
>hurr I'm going to stand 30 feet away from some explosives surrounded by random junk
People that treat tannerite like it's a fucking joke deserve whatever happens to them.
I actually had a boomerang hit me in that exact spot when I was a kid. Didn't bleed out like the guy.
Also RIP his truck and the $10k+ repair bill he's getting since those side airbags destroy everything.
I think that's a fucking stick in his face.
Artillery kills more men than bullets do
Because instead of wearing an all around protective level 2 vest they wear a tiny level 3 in the front with no sides or back protection.
When will retards realize they are more likely to eat shrapnel than a bullet?
Soft vests with plate inserts aren't exactly new, they are what the old IOTV (GWOT era armor) was
>"JANNIES could be here" he thought, "I've never been on this blue board before. There could be JANNIES anywhere. The hot metal felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE JANNIES" he thought. Sweet Dreams are Made of These reverberated his entire car, making it pulsate even as the 45000 Lira arak circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of banks after dark. "With a catbox, you can post anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>How lethal is shrapnel, really?
A lethal wound doesn't mean that the target dies instantly.A human that gets hit with shrapnel can still run away and move for a while but that doesn't meant that the wounds won't kill them.
I feel like there's something wrong with a big chunk of the grenades/shells being used in this war.
Like, I personally know people who have had various types of grenades go off within a few meters of them and being unharmed. Expired explosives, maybe?
>I feel like there's something wrong with a big chunk of the grenades/shells being used in this war.
yeah, as if there was no stories about grenade blowing up in same room as soldiers before and none would get harmed
No. It's either pure luck or some terrain features absorbing the shock/shrapnel. Sometimes people close enough to a blast will be saved by the fact that the shrapnel is propelled out in sort of a cone pattern and if you're close enough to the point of the cone you might not get hit at all.
Old explosives usually don't get any weaker. Thry either fail to detonate or they become more shock sensitive which makes them dangerous to handle.
A lot of shit effects explosives and frag patterns.
Little divets in the earth, snow, grass. Mud , soft ground can all reduce the effectivness of explosion and fragmentation
True.
Soft ground,especially,has a huge impact,on the effectiveness of the lethal area,and in turn the danger area (shrapnel).
Artillery has been racking up the most kills in warfare since WWI for a good reason. Sharpnel is incredibly lethal.
You hit the nail on the head in that there's a significant amount of randomness involved due to all the variables that can take place. Theoretically you can survive a fairly close hit and walk away with little to no difficulties but at the same time you could also be 100m away from the blast and still take a random scrap of metal to a critical area.
Man these villages are destroyed, practically erased from the map.
just because they are pumped with adrenaline doesnt mean they arent hurt
If the shell embeds itself in the ground or lands in a slight depression you can be covered from a lot of the shrapnel. Overpressure is a big meme and you'd have to be damn close for it to actually kill you, I'm talking landing next to your feet.
On these case i remember that 3rd assault brigade video when guys from m113 wreckage got hit by 120mm airbust in like 3 - 5 meters yet walked as usual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtezbxukS6A&t=1230s
I hate Russians so much it's unreal.
Shrapnel doesn't kill you instantly unless it tears through your CNS. It causes you to start bleeding, and has a very good chance of causing internal bleeding as well. Because the would is less... traumatic, I guess you could say, instantly-incapacitating levels of shock and pain might not occur. Much like a deer shot with an arrow, a person might get up and run off, only to collapse a few minutes later due to low blood pressure. Also, shrapnel is not always uniform, no matter how much warhead designers try to make it so; it's possible, if rare, to be near a fragmenting warhead and not receive any serious wounds at all. Finally, shrapnel is high-velocity/low-mass, so even light cover will tend to defeat it; it's possible to be near an explosion, but protected by a small rise in the ground or other cover. This can be observed quite often in stories from troops who survived nearby grenade blasts.
What does all of this mean? Well, it makes it very hard to tell what happened from a simple video taken from long range. If someone near the explosion collapses, it's a good indication that they suffered incapacitating injuries, but not a guarantee; soldiers have been knocked senseless by explosive concussions before, while receiving only minor shrapnel injuries. Likewise, just because someone runs off, it doesn't mean that they haven't received a mortal wound and can only be saved--maybe--if they receive prompt medical intervention by a skilled surgical unit which is well-staffed and well-supplied.
In short, you can guess at the outcome, but you can never really be certain unless you receive follow-up intel regarding the results of the strike, which is rare.
i keep scrolling down to post and i end up seeing this shit
what the fuck is this shit?? who the fuck wants a big titted yoda??
the ads run on blue boards have to be nominally sfw, i think. so they're often just clickbait / weird versions of the ones that run on porn boards.
>who the fuck wants a big titted yoda??
……..kinda sorta….
>tfw you don't know what you are missing thanks to adblock.
This, I am baffled when someone shows my something on their device and I see ads. YouTube ads are also far worse then I imagined they would be. Do normies really just accept this garbage as normal?
Not really, plus some places just some how get around adblock.
Firefox + Ublock origin never failed me
>what the fuck is this shit?? who the fuck wants a big titted yoda??
*fires up StableDiffusion*
Let me see if I can make something fappable.
Is that Greta?
If you don't use an adblocker you deserve to see this crap
>phoneposting
>no adblock
You deserve worse
HUMINA HUMINA AWOOO
>what the fuck is this shit?? who the fuck wants a big titted yoda??
Someone with taste for man made horrors beyond your comprehension.
Bit late for Darwin award as she was grandmother.
>how lethal is small chunks of mass traveling at high speeds in every direction????????
Someone post that himars tungsten video
explosives detonate (very high velocity), gun powder burns (fast but slower than a detonation). An explosive ejects shrapnel at higher velocities than bullets. shrapnel is very dangerous because of its velocity and frequently sharp edges and jagged shapes.
Even if you get a significant frag hit in Russ-Ukie War you're not going to sit down and wait for a medic to arrive with the Motrin and to kiss your boo-boos like you've rolled your ankle in peacetime training.
You need to pick yourself up and drag yourself out of the KZ before the next strike arrives to finish the job.
A lot of those 'unwounded' are bleeding heavily and running on adrenaline and sheer willpower to maybe get back to cover and medical aid.
>How lethal is shrapnel, really?
During WW1 there were about 9.7 million military fatalities.
About 60% of those occured due to shrapnel of all kinds (mostly from artillery, also mortars and hand grenades).
Nowadays (and actually since the early 1960s in the US' case) the main goal of regular military body armor (not talking about plate carriers but more like flak vests etc.) is to reduce the effects of shrapnel.
>muh flak vests
It's okay bro I'm wearing a high speed low drag tiny level 3 plate on my chest I'm saf- ACK
>million
When it comes to artillery I'd rather an old fashioned full torso vest including crotch protection. That and a full blown helmet too. Ukraine is definetly not the kind of war for hs/ld kinds of protection.
Its lethal as fuck and you better be lucky for the adrenaline to make you not feel the pain. Helmets and flak vest were created for defense against shrapnel.
according to WW2 statistics, 60% of casualties came from fragmentation and 40% everything else
so artillery causes the most fatalities, simply because its the most likely thing to hit you
but WW2 statistics showed that, individually, fragmentation caused less serious injuries on average
the high death toll is just the law of large numbers in action
generally, someone admitted into a hospital for frag wounds was hit twice and had a >75% to survive, people hit with 3 or more frag wounds were rare (because they died)
while bullet wounds were rarer, they were generally less survivable, the average patient arrived with only 1 bullet wound (we can assume 2 bullets is extremely lethal) and often was only 50% survivable if it was in the chest
so while you were more likely to be put in the hospital by fragmentation
you were less likely to leave the hospital alive if you were hit by a bullet
you also were less likely to be in the hospital in the first place if you were hit by a bullet rather than frag
this is a good explanation of what im seeing. it IS on average more survivable compared to bullets, it's just that shrapnel hits a lot more people, hence the higher casualty number.
Entirely luck based, but the closer of explosion you are, the more luck you need.
>In October 2019, a woman was killed in Knoxville, Iowa, by flying shrapnel from the explosion of an improvised explosive device meant to reveal her grandchild's gender. The device, made from a metal cylinder packed with gunpowder and colored baby powder, was intended to project a display vertically, but the tape covering its top caused it to explode and fragment in a manner similar to a pipe bomb. The force of the explosion was such that the shrapnel fragment that killed the victim continued through the air for another 144 yards before coming to a rest in a field adjacent to the property where the party was taking place
>improvised explosive device meant to reveal her grandchild's gender
why are Americans
>why are Americans
So free? You euroslimes wish you had the freedom to have a nice days with your own IEDs rather than the acid bombs made by habibs.
Euro women don't get excited when they find out via ultrasound what their baby will be?
unfuckinbelievable. i was about to go, so YOU'RE the soft feminine penis lover who put that shit on my recommended today, oh anon likes GUN and also he likes EXPLODE you both like BOTH that must mean you like GENDER REVEAL DISASTER BREAKDOWN but it turns out, no it's just another fucking one entirely
recommended because i like SHIPS
FUCK
why can't we just
>1947 DISPOSAL OF 20,000 POUNDS OF SODIUM IN WATER
>Crow searching for a nut I'd hidden and then making very cool woo sound
>comfy nuclear reactor startup https://youtu.be/uYrhWO_ZLYw
>1947 DISPOSAL OF 20,000 POUNDS OF SODIUM IN WATER
wait that actually happened? i was just playing la noire and there is always a news segment about that in the ingame radio
>bein a no good misruble₽₽₽ sunnuva hu yu know hwut
this step is NOT in the procedure
Are you retarded, or something? Are you not aware that gender reveal shit refers to the gender of an unborn baby, and has nothing to do with chud shit, aside from some meme stuff?
You are responding to a schizophrenic.
being silly is against the rules
(づ ᴗ _ᴗ)づ｀、ヽ｀ヽ｀、ヽ
Read the tag
>average lifespan of an adult human is ~60 years, somewhere in there
>video MAYBE 60 seconds long
My retard in Allah, you really think they're gonna live forever, don't you?
point is that they don't look grievously injured, despite being very close to the blast radius. of course you can't tell how bad they got hit from these videos, but it's perfectly reasonable to ask why so many of these guys can run away when they were that close.
Bro you got me bro, you got me! They have cheats enabled, and you know what? Those nasty HATO moderators won't ban them from the server! But now, thanks to you, Russian admins have been made aware of this grievous oversight. Finally, the decadence of the West's gamersphere will come to an end.
moron.
Please stop wasting electrons and/or oxygen, whatever stops these posts please God just stop posting.
you need to calm down
>it's another millennial brainpoisoned by old movies episode
A 2 grain sliver of steel flew through their guts and they'll bleed to death 3 hours later without hospital grade surgery but for the next 10 minutes they're pumped on adrenaline and don't even know they're hit.